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Saulbadguy
04-28-2005, 09:23 AM
http://start.earthlink.net/article/spo?guid=20050427/42705fc0_3ca6_1552620050428-543230375

BCS Wants New Poll to Replace AP Rankings
April 28, 2005 12:02 AM EDT

PHOENIX - The Bowl Championship Series is opening its automatic bids to all Division I-A conferences starting with the 2008 season, part of a new plan under which the leagues will be judged from top to bottom.

Currently, only the six conferences that comprise the BCS can earn automatic entry into college football's four major bowl games, including the national title game. The previous standard for holding on to that qualification was based on the average BCS standings finish of a conference's top team over a four-year period.

That will still be a factor, but not the only one.

"In addition, we will look at a conference's overall strength," BCS coordinator Kevin Weiberg said Wednesday, the final day of meetings with officials from 11 major college football conferences and Notre Dame's athletic director.

The BCS will also take into account the number of teams in a conference that finish in the BCS top 25 over a four-year period.

In addition, there is a proposed appeals process if a conference doesn't match up with the others under the new formula but still believes it belongs in the BCS.

"We're set through the first two years (2006-07) of the new agreement, with the same six conferences having the automatic-qualification berths," said Weiberg, the Big 12 commissioner. "This evaluation will then occur, and it could change for the final two years of this new agreement."

The BCS signed a four-year deal with Fox to televise the Sugar, Fiesta and Orange bowls from 2007-10 and the national title game from 2007-09. The Rose Bowl has its own television deal with ABC.

Weiberg said the new evaluation system could lead to more - or less - automatic bids.

The Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-10, Southeastern, Atlantic Coast and Big East champions have had automatic entry into the Rose, Orange, Sugar and Fiesta bowls since the BCS was implemented in 1998.

Other standards were set to allow teams from outside the BCS conferences to qualify automatically, but not until last year when Utah earned a spot in the Fiesta Bowl had a team from outside one of the big six conferences played in the BCS.

The BCS also decided to expand to five games last year. Starting with the 2006 season, 10 teams will qualify for the BCS, with the top two meeting in a newly created championship game to be played a week after the four major bowls.

The addition of another game and the new evaluation process for automatic entry were prompted by protests from the five lower-revenue conferences - such as the Mountain West, where Utah plays, and Conference USA - that the BCS was unfairly shutting out dozens of schools.

Of the original six BCS conferences, the Big East would appear to be most affected by the changes. The league lost Miami and Virginia Tech last season to the ACC; Boston College follows this year. However, the addition of Louisville this year, along with South Florida and Cincinnati, should help the Big East's chances of keeping its elite status.

Weiberg said Louisville, which finished 10th in the BCS standings last year while playing in C-USA, will be included in the Big East's evaluation and should help the league retain its bid.

"The reason for that is that we're trying to get an assessment looking forward of the prospective strength of the conference, even though it will be based on past performance," Weiberg said.

Beginning in 2006, Notre Dame will earn an automatic BCS berth with a top eight ranking in the final standings, Weiberg said. Also, under a new arrangement, Notre Dame is now guaranteed BCS money every season - even when they don't play in a game.

In the past, Notre Dame would receive upward of $14 million when they played in a BCS game, but nothing if they didn't.

The proposal and others developed in Phoenix are subject to review by an 11-person committee formed by university presidents. Weiberg said that would be done in a teleconference call on May 12.

He said the athletic directors who met in Phoenix will do more teleconferencing and possibly have one more meeting to fine-tune proposals - especially the makeup of the replacement poll to take the place of The AP poll in the new BCS standings formula - before the Collegiate Commissioners Association meetings in Denver on June 20.

The new poll will not be unveiled until June at the earliest.

chiefqueen
04-28-2005, 09:26 AM
If I recall correctly Notre Dame gets an automatic BCS bid w/ 9 wins now.

KILLER_CLOWN
04-28-2005, 09:26 AM
Gee every college has the same chance in college football eh?

Saulbadguy
04-28-2005, 09:30 AM
If I recall correctly Notre Dame gets an automatic BCS bid w/ 9 wins now.
The part that really irks me is they are guaranteed BCS money even if they don't get to a BCS game.

Gav Daddy
04-28-2005, 10:10 AM
for a huge corporation with very powerful lobbyists,imo.

"religion"="corporation". and no i am not dawging spirituality.

it's as simple as that folks. you might not like it, but it's the truth.

Saulbadguy
04-28-2005, 10:12 AM
for a huge corporation with very powerful lobbyists,imo.

"religion"="corporation". and no i am not dawging spirituality.

it's as simple as that folks. you might not like it, but it's the truth.
I don't believe thats the case. However, to many people, College Sports are bigger than religion. Notre Lame is in that boat.

Brock
04-28-2005, 10:13 AM
That's fairly ridiculous.

Amnorix
04-28-2005, 10:15 AM
This whole Charlie Weis to ND thing is turning my college football world upside down. I've despised ND ever since I was a kid (it's part of the "you grew up in Boston, so you're either a BC fan (most likely) or a ND fan).

Because they've sucked the past ten years, and because I don't watch much college football, my hatred for them has waned. Now, Charlie Weis, who I like and respect tremendously, is their coach.

I'm afraid I'm rooting for them now... :banghead:

This isn't anything on par with rooting for the Raiders, Yankees, Jets, Dolphins, Lakers or Sixers, but it's a half-step behind. Yeesh.

Saulbadguy
04-28-2005, 10:18 AM
This isn't anything on par with rooting for the Raiders, Yankees, Jets, Dolphins, Lakers or Sixers, but it's a half-step behind. Yeesh.
This is a bit different. People hate the Yankees, the Lakers, and the Patriots (now) because they just win.

I hate Notre Lame because they are a corporation, and they think they are "too good" to join a conference and play by the rules.

Gav Daddy
04-28-2005, 10:21 AM
I don't believe thats the case. However, to many people, College Sports are bigger than religion. Notre Lame is in that boat.

explain their lack of team concept when it comes to playing nice with others(joining a conference)....

why wont they join a conferrence if they dont feel a sense entitlement and go out of their way to push their sense of entitlement? LOL!!!!

SCTrojan
04-28-2005, 10:36 AM
Can't stand ND. This latest development is not surprising, however.

I hope we hammer them by 31 points again this year. And for the rest of time.

Gav Daddy
04-28-2005, 10:41 AM
Can't stand ND. This latest development is not surprising, however.

I hope we hammer them by 31 points again this year. And for the rest of time.

it makes us root for our traditional rivals to do well, so when we beat them, we get more b.c.s. points.

a real fan should never have to root for their rival.

after seeing s.c. get jobbed 2 years ago, i bet you found yourself rooting for n.d. to do well, so you would get more b.c.s. points.....

that just aint right.....

they have one of the most storied rivalries in college ball. you should NEVER have to root for n.d. to do well. NEVER!!!!!!

o.k. i am off my soapbox now. LMAO!!!!!!

SCTrojan
04-28-2005, 10:46 AM
it makes us root for our traditional rivals to do well, so when we beat them, we get more b.c.s. points.

a real fan should never have to root for their rival.

after seeing s.c. get jobbed 2 years ago, i bet you found yourself rooting for n.d. to do well, so you would get more b.c.s. points.....

that just aint right.....

they have one of the most storied rivalries in college ball. you should NEVER have to root for n.d. to do well. NEVER!!!!!!

o.k. i am off my soapbox now. LMAO!!!!!!

Yep. I just want to kill ND and UCLA every year. BCS strength of schedule points be damned.

There are a lot of people at the USC site I frequent who say they wish ND would be better so the rivalry will benefit both sides.

I fall into the "I hope we hammer them and they suck from now until the end of time" category.

Braincase
04-28-2005, 10:51 AM
As BCS money goes to conferences moreso than schools, I can see why some kind of compromise is necessary. You've got 6 conferences that are guaranteed a payday - so what it comes down to is that in some years, Notre Dame gets less money than Baylor. As Baylor is getting guaranteed money, why not Notre Dame? Because they're not in a conference? I don't have a problem with the Fighting Irish - I wish they'd join a conference.

I think this all part and parcel with Catholic bashing... :p

Saulbadguy
04-28-2005, 10:53 AM
As BCS money goes to conferences moreso than schools, I can see why some kind of compromise is necessary. You've got 6 conferences that are guaranteed a payday - so what it comes down to is that in some years, Notre Dame gets less money than Baylor. As Baylor is getting guaranteed money, why not Notre Dame? Because they're not in a conference? I don't have a problem with the Fighting Irish - I wish they'd join a conference.

I think this all part and parcel with Catholic bashing... :p
Is Army, Navy, or Temple guaranteed any BCS money?

Braincase
04-28-2005, 10:57 AM
Is Army, Navy, or Temple guaranteed any BCS money?

Does Army, Navy or Temple play a schedule anywhere near to the difficulty of Notre Dame's?

Ultra Peanut
04-28-2005, 11:31 AM
explain their lack of team concept when it comes to playing nice with others(joining a conference)....

why wont they join a conferrence if they dont feel a sense entitlement and go out of their way to push their sense of entitlement? LOL!!!!Notre Dame doesn't need a conference, so they don't join one. Schools don't join conferences out of a sense of teamwork or to "play nice with others," they do it because it's a necessity if your name isn't Notre Dame (or, to a lesser extent, Navy or Army).

They're also in no rush, as they know that whatever conference they do pick in the event the money dries up as an independent will do whatever it takes to bring them aboard. The Big Televen, the ACC, the Big East, you name it... all would cream their collective pants to welcome Notre Dame into the fold.

I don't like them, but it works for them, and they'll stay independent as long as it does.

Gav Daddy
04-28-2005, 11:36 AM
As BCS money goes to conferences moreso than schools, I can see why some kind of compromise is necessary. You've got 6 conferences that are guaranteed a payday - so what it comes down to is that in some years, Notre Dame gets less money than Baylor. As Baylor is getting guaranteed money, why not Notre Dame? Because they're not in a conference? I don't have a problem with the Fighting Irish - I wish they'd join a conference.

I think this all part and parcel with Catholic bashing... :p

it is the bashing of corporations and their lobbyists.

if it was general motors and their front man was the notre dame "camaro's" i would be on their ass too.

Gav Daddy
04-28-2005, 11:40 AM
Notre Dame doesn't need a conference, so they don't join one. Schools don't join conferences out of a sense of teamwork or to "play nice with others," they do it because it's a necessity if your name isn't Notre Dame (or, to a lesser extent, Navy or Army).

They're also in no rush, as they know that whatever conference they do pick in the event the money dries up as an independent will do whatever it takes to bring them aboard. The Big Televen, the ACC, the Big East, you name it... all would cream their collective pants to welcome Notre Dame into the fold.

I don't like them, but it works for them, and they'll stay independent as long as it does.

notre dame feels a sense of entitlement.
the powers that be actually recognize that. look at the new deal.
why do they feel that and why do the powers that be buckle down to them? lobbyists in the ncaa. where are the deep pockets?

they dont deserve any special treatment because they have a tough schedule. the other blue chip programs dont ask or recieve the special treatment that n.d. does.

the other schools with tough schedules dont get any breaks and neither should n.d..........

i couldnt even root for a team that publicly asked to be treated with kid gloves.

Spott
04-28-2005, 11:45 AM
If I recall correctly Notre Dame gets an automatic BCS bid w/ 9 wins now.

A few years back, they got an Orange Bowl bid with only 6 wins.

Swanman
04-28-2005, 11:48 AM
Even with all of the recruiting advantages of having a national TV contract, here's how far things have slipped at ND: Illinois had a player drafted this year before Notre Dame did. Nuff said.

Gav Daddy
04-28-2005, 11:51 AM
A few years back, they got an Orange Bowl bid with only 6 wins.

they also dont have a conference championship game to worry about.

just put an asterick next to anything they do from now on....

kinda like denver's cheating s.b. wins.

Bearcat
04-28-2005, 12:05 PM
Gee every college has the same chance in college football eh?

Until there's a playoff... no.

KCTitus
04-28-2005, 12:07 PM
I have nothing against ND...I truly despise the BCS. They keep tweaking this horrible idea making it worse each time they fool with it.

Saulbadguy
04-28-2005, 12:15 PM
Does Army, Navy or Temple play a schedule anywhere near to the difficulty of Notre Dame's?
But your argument hinged on the fact that ND was not in a conference, and conference schools got BCS money. Independents are not in a conference because they suck.

ChiefsCountry
04-28-2005, 12:39 PM
Notre Dame will be in the Big 10 in 10 years. When the new super Big East splits BB schools/FB schools, ND will go crawling into the arms of the Big 10.

whoman69
04-28-2005, 02:07 PM
Does Army, Navy or Temple play a schedule anywhere near to the difficulty of Notre Dame's?
No school in the country can make their schedule as favorable as Notre Dame every year. They can schedule the Michigan game between Navy and St. Mary's school for wayward girls every year. They put USC on the schedule at a time when USC has to worry about a more important game with conference foe UCLA. They have no conference affiliation and thus, no conference rivals. Even Michigan is not a big rivalry, as Michigan would much rather defeat Michigan State and Ohio State every year and has to worry about playing other top conference teams. Notre Dame can put a big red X on the calendar every year for Michigan.
Notre Dame is not so famous in basketball, so they of course belong to a strong basketball conference there. They have turned down the Big Ten and Big East for football because they would be subject to their rules for revenue.
There are other independent schools across the nation. Why don't they get a BCS share? Notre Dame can't compete on the field so the NCAA has to prop them up economically to stay competitive.
I hate Notre Dame with as much passion now as ever, as much passion as I hate the Raiders, Cowboys and Yankees.

whoman69
04-28-2005, 02:11 PM
Notre Dame will be in the Big 10 in 10 years. When the new super Big East splits BB schools/FB schools, ND will go crawling into the arms of the Big 10.
Part of the reason Miami left the Big East was because they were splitting football revenues with teams that didn't even belong to the conference for football or didn't even have a football team. ND has already turned down the Big Ten and Big East for football because they would lose their national TV contract if they did. There are alot of Notre Dame fans across the country and now alot of fans who tune in to see them get their butts handed to them every week. Win or lose they are a big ratings pull. Hail, hail to old Notre Dame. You win the game but we get the fame.

1punkyQB
04-28-2005, 02:16 PM
The BCS folks should be careful what they wish for. The last time they shoehorned ND into a BCS game they were humiliated by Oregon State. Even the satisfaction of watching whoever ND plays thrash them will get back that money or make them join a conference though.