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Kclee
04-28-2005, 09:33 PM
What do you think will happen? If he has his usual year, do we resign him? If he has a monster year, do we show him the money even though he may disappear again until the last year of his contract. Or maybe he bolts to some other team regardless. I think it will be interesting to see how he plays/and if he wants to stay in KC.

Frazod
04-28-2005, 09:35 PM
What do you think will happen? If he has his usual year, do we resign him? If he has a monster year, do we show him the money even though he may disappear again until the last year of his contract. Or maybe he bolts to some other team regardless. I think it will be interesting to see how he plays/and if he wants to stay in KC.

Well, he'll certainly be looking to showcase his skills, so we'll get the best he has to offer.

Hope we send his ass packing after that, though. We don't need another Dan Williams.

Jamie
04-28-2005, 09:53 PM
He has a career year, gets a big contract, and underachieves for years to come. Hopefully somewhere else.

suds79
04-28-2005, 09:58 PM
I think Ryan is simply a bust thru & thru and will continue to be about the same player he's been so far.

Hopefully he'll be gone by next year.

philfree
04-28-2005, 10:20 PM
Sims hasn't lived up to his draft status but I have a hard time not liking a 315 DT that lays out to try and intercept a pass. At least we know that he's not holding back trying to protect himself. I knew he'd be hurt before he ever hit the ground. What was he thinking?


PhilFree:arrow:

Bwana
04-28-2005, 10:30 PM
Either way he BETTER have a monster year.

Dunit35
04-28-2005, 10:38 PM
Im afraid he will have a big year and he will get a big contract from KC and then pan out to be nothin after that...If the other DT's do good, I could see them not resigning him and drafting someone to take his place though...

the Talking Can
04-28-2005, 10:38 PM
he's a bum...I can't wait till we get rid of him, I don't care what he does this year...

el borracho
04-28-2005, 11:24 PM
He is gone next year and we will take whatever compensatory pick for his loss.

We will again have to spend high draft picks on the D line next year

philfree
04-28-2005, 11:34 PM
He is gone next year and we will take whatever compensatory pick for his loss.

We will again have to spend high draft picks on the D line next year

What's the hit for Sims if we cut him? Maybe we should just cut our losses and fill his spot with Corey Simon after June 1st. :hmmm: I not ready to give up on Sims but I'd hve to take Simon over him at this point if that was the choice.

PhilFree:arrow:

mcan
04-29-2005, 12:08 AM
What do you think will happen? If he has his usual year, do we resign him? If he has a monster year, do we show him the money even though he may disappear again until the last year of his contract. Or maybe he bolts to some other team regardless. I think it will be interesting to see how he plays/and if he wants to stay in KC.


Who told you it was a contract year? That's re'cock'-u-less...


Sims, Ryan

Kansas City Chiefs
Round: 1
Salary History

2002 1340000.00
2003 300000.00
2004 535000.00
2005 832000.00
2006 1567000.00
2007 1901000.00
2008 1834000.00
2009 2000000.00


Dumbass signed an EIGHT YEAR DEAL! He'll be here for a long, long, long, long, long time... It's not even backloaded (unless there is some kind of CRAZY roster bonus built in around year 5 or so)...

philfree
04-29-2005, 12:19 AM
Who told you it was a contract year? That's re'cock'-u-less...


Sims, Ryan

Kansas City Chiefs
Round: 1
Salary History

2002 1340000.00
2003 300000.00
2004 535000.00
2005 832000.00
2006 1567000.00
2007 1901000.00
2008 1834000.00
2009 2000000.00


Dumbass signed an EIGHT YEAR DEAL! He'll be here for a long, long, long, long, long time... It's not even backloaded (unless there is some kind of CRAZY roster bonus built in around year 5 or so)...

I just figured that being his 4th year in the league he would have a contract that would allow him to become a FA after this season. Wether it would be a bonus or something I have no clue. If he don't have an out then his agent screwed him for his percentage of a huge contract that will never be paid out. So like I asked before, what's his cap hit if we cut him?

PhilFree:arrow:

Ultra Peanut
04-29-2005, 12:50 AM
Hadley Engledork...

Wallcrawler
04-29-2005, 01:07 AM
Yeah, Carl usually throws in the option to void the rest of the contract after a certain period of time.

Im not sold on Sims, I think that he has had more than enough time to prove that he was worth the 6th overall pick.

Im tired of hearing how he is constantly doubled also, playing over the Center and Guard. There are plenty of other Tackles out there that play the exact same way, but actually disrupt the offense and end up with more than 15 tackles per season.


Sims is lazy. If Ryan Sims had the work ethic of John Browning, he would be a monster. I hope that the Chiefs just cut their losses with him, send him packing, and try to fill that spot either through the draft or free agency.

The likelihood of getting Corey Simon is remote. Simon is franchise tagged, and would have to be traded for, and then we would have to pay him the megabucks.

We already dropped huge bank on Surtain, WELL SPENT BANK I might add, so getting a guy of Simon's caliber this offseason is pretty unlikely, even after the June 1 cuts.


Hopefully Sims comes through, and finally starts to live up to some of the hype that surrounded him coming out of college, and we get some decent D-line production on the inside. But I think we all know that is a pipe dream. Chester Mcglockton must have been this guy's idol growing up.

If I had my way though, he would be gone after this season if he didnt take some huge strides toward being a better player.

mcan
04-29-2005, 01:08 AM
I just figured that being his 4th year in the league he would have a contract that would allow him to become a FA after this season. Wether it would be a bonus or something I have no clue. If he don't have an out then his agent screwed him for his percentage of a huge contract that will never be paid out. So like I asked before, what's his cap hit if we cut him?

PhilFree:arrow:


This info is REALLY hard to find... But his bonus was $9.75 million.
They must have renegotiated the next year (maybe an injury clause) because all reports say it was a 7 year deal, which is what I remember, and frankly 8 year deals are few and far between. So, let's assume that they pro-rated 10 million-ish dollars over the life of this contract....

Year Base Salary Total cap # (1.25 million per year pro-rated)
2002 1340000.00 1.59 mil
2003 300000.00 1.55 mil
2004 535000.00 1.785 mil
2005 832000.00 2.082 mil
2006 1567000.00 2.817 mil
2007 1901000.00 3.151 mil
2008 1834000.00 3.084 mil
2009 2000000.00 3.25 mil

That's what it costs to keep him (unless there's a built in roster bonus)

If we cut him RIGHT NOW his cap hit would be 6.25 million.
If we cut him after june 1 his cap hit would be 3.12 this year and 3.12 next year.

mcan
04-29-2005, 01:13 AM
Yeah, Carl usually throws in the option to void the rest of the contract after a certain period of time.



Usually those are incentive based. Roster bonuses are technically incentive but they are dubbed "likely to be earned" since the only requirement is making the roster. Voiding years is a BIG incentive, and usually can only be done if you lead the league in some catagory statistically, or if you make a certain number of pro-bowls. The last Chief to do this was Tony Gonzalez I think.

philfree
04-29-2005, 01:15 AM
This info is REALLY hard to find... But his bonus was $9.75 million.
They must have renegotiated the next year (maybe an injury clause) because all reports say it was a 7 year deal, which is what I remember, and frankly 8 year deals are few and far between. So, let's assume that they pro-rated 10 million-ish dollars over the life of this contract....

Year Base Salary Total cap # (1.25 million per year pro-rated)
2002 1340000.00 1.59 mil
2003 300000.00 1.55 mil
2004 535000.00 1.785 mil
2005 832000.00 2.082 mil
2006 1567000.00 2.817 mil
2007 1901000.00 3.151 mil
2008 1834000.00 3.084 mil
2009 2000000.00 3.25 mil

That's what it costs to keep him (unless there's a built in roster bonus)

If we cut him RIGHT NOW his cap hit would be 6.25 million.
If we cut him after june 1 his cap hit would be 3.12 this year and 3.12 next year.

I guess he's our boy then...........for two more years........Like I said I'm not ready to give up on him yet............I still think we ought to take a look a Simon. I don't think he's great but he would help us I have no doubts.

PhilFree:arrow:

Wallcrawler
04-29-2005, 01:29 AM
Man, its a good possibility that I would keel over from sheer excitement if the Chiefs could trade for Corey Simon.

I know he has had some durability concerns over his career, but this guy has to be accounted for on the D-line. Thats not something that is usually said about anyone on the Chiefs D-line right now.

HemiEd
04-29-2005, 05:09 AM
I have a lot of hope that he will work out. Realistically this is just going to be his third year, correct? He is a monster of a man that probably had way to much hype and did not handle the pressure well at all.

Scaga
04-29-2005, 06:50 AM
Time for Sims to shit or get off the pot.

Mr. Kotter
04-29-2005, 07:13 AM
My guess?

He has a pretty big year. He demands outrageous money. CP tells him to fugg off. He signs with another team for big bucks.

And then we never, ever hear of anything significant from him ever again.

Cormac
04-29-2005, 07:14 AM
Even if he has a monster year, I don't think we'll be dumb enough to give him a mega-deal. But somebody else might be. I guess he'll be a RFA, in which case we can sign him to a tender, and have the option to match somebody else's deal or get compensation if he leaves us.

???

That's the way I'd like to see it pan out anyway. I'm sure Denver will be willing to overpay for another D-lineman next offseason :D

Kclee
04-29-2005, 07:28 AM
Who told you it was a contract year? That's re'cock'-u-less...


Sims, Ryan

Kansas City Chiefs
Round: 1
Salary History

2002 1340000.00
2003 300000.00
2004 535000.00
2005 832000.00
2006 1567000.00
2007 1901000.00
2008 1834000.00
2009 2000000.00


Dumbass signed an EIGHT YEAR DEAL! He'll be here for a long, long, long, long, long time... It's not even backloaded (unless there is some kind of CRAZY roster bonus built in around year 5 or so)...


Someone mentioned it on the Siavii thread, and I've heard it here a few times before. My bad. I'll bump this thread in a few years when its really his contract year. ;) Move along, nothing to see here.

yoswif
04-29-2005, 07:29 AM
I believe most high picks get the 5th year, and beyond, voided if they meet some pretty high standards like rookie of the year and pro bowl. If he plays to his potential, Sims could make the pro bowl and that may be why this is being called a "contract year" by some.

If he doesn't meet the standards in the contract, it won't be his "contract year". I don't know exactly what the standards are in his contract, but I kinda hope he works his a$$ off and falls just short. After the first 3 years it would be a fair result.

htismaqe
04-29-2005, 07:34 AM
Well, if this isn't a contract year for Sims we might as well give up on him.

the Talking Can
04-29-2005, 07:47 AM
the plus is that given his stats, his contract won't cost much...so instead of having a high priced fat,lazy, worthless, shameless, piece of crap we'll have a low priced fat, lazy, worthless, shameless, piece of crap...

yoswif
04-29-2005, 07:48 AM
Personally, I'd like to see Sims have a monster year, lead the Chiefs to a SB win, and get the rest of his contract voided. Then Carl can put the franchise tag on him and trade him for 2 first round picks.

KCChiefsFan88
04-29-2005, 05:22 PM
Sims should go sign with Carolina so Julius Peppers can make him look like a halfway decent football player, like he did at UNC.

Douche Baggins
04-29-2005, 05:24 PM
Sims should probably renegotiate after this year if he doesn't improve.

If Siavii starts out producing him then we might see him get his ass in gear.