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Coogs
04-29-2005, 03:13 PM
This is from Jim Armstrong of the Denver Post via way of The Salina Journal. There is just a paragraph about the Chiefs within another article. I am just going to type the paragraph word for word...

By the numbers: Six, maybe seven. That's the number of new defensive starters the Kansas City Chiefs figure to have this season compared with the start of last season.

Here are our opening day starters from last season...

Defense
LE 98 E.Hicks
LT 90 R.Sims
NT 93 J.Browning
RE 99 V.Holliday
LOLB 51 S.Fujita
MLB 56 M.Beisel
ROLB 59 S.Barber
LCB 44 E.Warfield
RCB 22 D.McCleon
SS 25 G.Wesley
FS 21 J.Woods

...Myself, I hope their numbers are too low at 6 or 7. I would prefer 10 new starters from that bunch with only Warfield holding a spot.

the Talking Can
04-29-2005, 03:16 PM
Surtain, Johnson, Bell, Knight..?

beer bacon
04-29-2005, 03:17 PM
Surtain, Johnson, Bell, Knight..?

I would guess Surtain, Bell, DJ, Knight, Allen, Dalton, and Mitchell would be the new "opening day" starters that is predicting.

the Talking Can
04-29-2005, 03:18 PM
ah...I was counting Allen/Dalton/Mitchell as starters already

Coogs
04-29-2005, 03:20 PM
Surtain, Johnson, Bell, Knight..?

Opening Day line-up to Opening Day line-up...


Allen, Dalton, and Mitchell would be my guess to complete the 7. I would also like to see Saivii and Wilkerson/Hall finish off the front 4, and Battle possibly move Wesley or Woods back to the bench as well.

KChiefs1
04-29-2005, 03:23 PM
Defense
LE 98 E.Hicks - same
LT 90 R.Sims - same
NT 93 J.Browning - Dalton
RE 99 V.Holliday - Allen
LOLB 51 S.Fujita - DJ
MLB 56 M.Beisel - Mitchell
ROLB 59 S.Barber - Bell
LCB 44 E.Warfield - same
RCB 22 D.McCleon - Surtain
SS 25 G.Wesley - same
FS 21 J.Woods - Knight

That makes 7 new starters by my count. :clap:

nascher
04-29-2005, 03:24 PM
My Pick:

Hicks
Sims
Dalton
Allen
Johnson
Mitchell
Bell
Warfield
Surtain
Knight
Wesley

7 new starters pretty much last year the Jets had 6 new starters and turned their defense around.

Kclee
04-29-2005, 03:29 PM
Defense
LE 98 E.Hicks - same
LT 90 R.Sims - same
NT 93 J.Browning - Dalton
RE 99 V.Holliday - Allen
LOLB 51 S.Fujita - DJ
MLB 56 M.Beisel - Mitchell
ROLB 59 S.Barber - Bell
LCB 44 E.Warfield - same
RCB 22 D.McCleon - Surtain
SS 25 G.Wesley - same
FS 21 J.Woods - Knight

That makes 7 new starters by my count. :clap:


Didn't they say Knight would be SS?

nascher
04-29-2005, 03:31 PM
Battle move Wesley or Woods ?

Wesley has 16 ints over the last 3 years thats pretty good even Knight has "only" 12.

Knight plays SS
Wesley moves to FS

Coogs
04-29-2005, 03:31 PM
Defense
LE 98 E.Hicks - same
LT 90 R.Sims - same
NT 93 J.Browning - Dalton
RE 99 V.Holliday - Allen
LOLB 51 S.Fujita - DJ
MLB 56 M.Beisel - Mitchell
ROLB 59 S.Barber - Bell
LCB 44 E.Warfield - same
RCB 22 D.McCleon - Surtain
SS 25 G.Wesley - same
FS 21 J.Woods - Knight

That makes 7 new starters by my count. :clap:

I'd love to add Hicks at the very least to that list. Sims and Wesley would not bother me in the least either. Three years at the bottom of the heap. Time to get rid of the crap.

Coogs
04-29-2005, 03:33 PM
Battle move Wesley or Woods ?

To many 20+ yardage plays and 40+yardage plays both running and passing for me the last two years given up to think these jokers are legit top 10 defensive safties.

PastorMikH
04-29-2005, 03:43 PM
Hicks
Sims
Dalton
Allen

Fujita
Bell
Johnson

Surtain
Warfield
Knight
Woods/Wesly (this one will be close but technically, both were starting safeties last season so I wouldn't count either as new starters)


I wouldn't mind seeing Hicks spot being threatened, but DV will make sure he has a job.

All in all, with last week's moves, this has the makings of a top 10 D.

yoswif
04-29-2005, 06:14 PM
LE Hall; Gun loves him
LT Siavii; unmovable object
RT Sims; returns to college position
RE Allen; relentless
LLB Johnson; playmaker must be accounted for
MLB Mitchell; continues to respond to Gun's coaching
RLB Bell; explosive blitzer plays the Anthony Davis role
LCB Warfield; will be tested a lot
RCB Surtain; competence at CB at last
FS Woods; redidicated
SS Knight; strong leadership at strong safety

Eight new starters for the worst D in the league seems appropriate.

Mr. Laz
04-29-2005, 06:21 PM
Defense
LE 98 E.Hicks - same
LT 90 R.Sims - same
NT 93 J.Browning - Dalton
RE 99 V.Holliday - Allen
LOLB 51 S.Fujita - DJ
MLB 56 M.Beisel - Mitchell
ROLB 59 S.Barber - Bell
LCB 44 E.Warfield - same
RCB 22 D.McCleon - Surtain
SS 25 G.Wesley - same
FS 21 J.Woods - Knight

That makes 7 new starters by my count. :clap:

mine ... 8 new ones if you include position swapping

LE 98 E.Hicks - Browning
LT 90 R.Sims - same
NT 93 J.Browning - Dalton
RE 99 V.Holliday - Allen
LOLB 51 S.Fujita - same
MLB 56 M.Beisel - Bell
ROLB 59 S.Barber - DJ
LCB 44 E.Warfield - same
RCB 22 D.McCleon - Surtain
SS 25 G.Wesley - Knight
FS 21 J.Woods - Wesley

HolmeZz
04-29-2005, 06:25 PM
Ideally I'd like to see...

DE - Allen/Hall
DT - Sims/Siavii
OLB - Johnson/Barber or Fujita
MLB - Bell
CB - Surtain/Warfield
S - Knight/Wesley

But I think Woods, Mitchell, and Hicks will stay as starters.

tk13
04-29-2005, 06:28 PM
Really if you look at it, if Wesley were to become the FS and Warfield would happen to move to RCB or just covering the #2 WR... it's possible to have only 2 guys starting the season as starters in the same exact position they were in at the beginning of last year.

ct
04-29-2005, 07:07 PM
LE Hall; Gun loves him
LT Siavii; unmovable object
RT Sims; returns to college position
RE Allen; relentless
LLB Johnson; playmaker must be accounted for
MLB Mitchell; continues to respond to Gun's coaching
RLB Bell; explosive blitzer plays the Anthony Davis role
LCB Warfield; will be tested a lot
RCB Surtain; competence at CB at last
FS Woods; redidicated
SS Knight; strong leadership at strong safety

Eight new starters for the worst D in the league seems appropriate.
:clap:

Logical
04-29-2005, 07:31 PM
My preferences

LE Browning
LT R.Sims
NT J.Dalton
RE J. Allen
LOLB S.Fujita
MLB K. Bell
ROLB D. Johnson
LCB E.Warfield
RCB P. Surtain
SS S. Knight
FS J. Battle (I really think this is ideal for him)

PastorMikH
04-29-2005, 07:56 PM
I'm curious as to why so many people are leaving Fuji out but leaving Mitchell in of the starting rotation. Fuji was probably our best LB the entire season. Bell can play all LB positions and currently is our best MLB option.


I saw enough of Mitchel last year to want someone else besides him starting for a while.

Thig Lyfe
04-29-2005, 08:29 PM
Defense
LE Carlos Hall
LT R.Sims
NT Lional Dalton
RE Jared Allen
LOLB Derrick Johnson
MLB Kendrell Bell
ROLB S. Fujita
LCB Patrick Surtain
RCB E.Warfield
SS Sammy Knight
FS G.Wesley

Hall may be a stretch, but I hope he shows the talent to overtake Hicks and become an upgrade. All in all, I have 7 new starters.

Count Alex's Wins
04-29-2005, 08:34 PM
I can't believe anyone thinks Hall will start at DE. Who starts is kind of irrelevant anyway. They will all get some time in the rotation.

Thig Lyfe
04-29-2005, 08:36 PM
I can't believe anyone thinks Hall will start at DE. Who starts is kind of irrelevant anyway. They will all get some time in the rotation.

By "start", I really mean get the majority of snaps. I think that Hall will outshine Hicks in camp and in the preseason.

LiL stumppy
04-29-2005, 08:39 PM
I would guess Surtain, Bell, DJ, Knight, Allen, Dalton, and Mitchell would be the new "opening day" starters that is predicting.


How come not Fujita,I read that Dicky said he should be fine but no one is including him in any of these things.Is he going to be injured or are people saying he will lose his starting job??

beer bacon
04-29-2005, 08:59 PM
How come not Fujita,I read that Dicky said he should be fine but no one is including him in any of these things.Is he going to be injured or are people saying he will lose his starting job??

DV and Gunther are saying that as of right now Mitchell will be starting at MLB and Bell at OLB. That would leave DJ and Fuj competing against each other for the last spot. Of course all this could change seeing as how we have only seen one day of rookie mini-camp.

LiL stumppy
04-29-2005, 09:02 PM
Hm,I figured it would be fujita bell and johnson

beer bacon
04-29-2005, 09:07 PM
Hm,I figured it would be fujita bell and johnson

They want Bell on the outside, because they think it will exploit his big play ability better, especially in regards to pass rushing.

royr17
04-29-2005, 09:24 PM
We will have 5 new starters on D.

Defense
LE 98 E.Hicks
LT 90 R.Sims
NT 75 Lional Dalton
RE 69 Jared Allen
LOLB 56 Derrick Johnson
MLB 99 Kendrell Bell
ROLB 97 Keyaron Fox
LCB 23 Patrick Surtain
RCB 44 Eric Warfield
FS 21 Jerome Woods
SS 29 Sammy Knight

ChiTown
04-29-2005, 11:00 PM
We will have 5 new starters on D.

Defense
LE 98 E.Hicks
LT 90 R.Sims
NT 75 Lional Dalton
RE 69 Jared Allen
LOLB 56 Derrick Johnson
MLB 99 Kendrell Bell
ROLB 97 Keyaron Fox
LCB 23 Patrick Surtain
RCB 44 Eric Warfield
FS 21 Jerome Woods
SS 29 Sammy Knight

Key Fox? Uh, i don't think so.......

TRR
04-29-2005, 11:06 PM
I really believe the D will look like this...

DLine: Hicks, Dalton, Sims, Allen
LB's: Fujita, Bell, DJ
CB's: Surtain, Warfield
S: Knight, Wesley

alanm
04-30-2005, 02:17 AM
My preferences

LE Browning
LT R.Sims
NT J.Dalton
RE J. Allen
LOLB S.Fujita
MLB K. Bell
ROLB D. Johnson
LCB E.Warfield
RCB P. Surtain
SS S. Knight
FS J. Battle (I really think this is ideal for him)
They really ought to move Battle back to his natural position. He's not going to make the transition. For that matter if they would have left Warfield alone and let him remain a FS like he was at Nebraska he'd probably have been to a few Pro Bowls by now. I've never been able to comprehend Kansas Citys facination with trying to convert safetys to CB's when the players haven't played CB once in their football life. You watch... Battle will probably end up being cut and then snatched up by some other team who will put him back at Safety and excelling. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

htismaqe
04-30-2005, 07:01 AM
Key Fox? Uh, i don't think so.......

I wouldn't count out Fox or Siavii, or anybody else that we know virtually nothing about. They could come into camp and surprise.

It wouldn't take much to beat out the stiffs that played last year.

Old Dog
04-30-2005, 11:44 AM
5,6,7, whatever
At least this isn't going to be the same craptastic defense we've been trotting out there year after year.

2bikemike
04-30-2005, 12:14 PM
Well with the FA aquistions there will be a few players who are going to have to pick it up a notch or two or be sent packing.