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cmh6476
05-03-2005, 10:04 AM
:bong:

Phobia
05-03-2005, 10:06 AM
No. I learned my lesson the last time I farted in a crowded movie theater.

CosmicPal
05-03-2005, 10:06 AM
I wish....

I have a couple of friends of mine who made the trek from Denver. I thought about going, but I'd like to save my vacation time for other events- like Widespread Panic at Red Rocks!

cmh6476
05-03-2005, 10:08 AM
I wish....

I have a couple of friends of mine who made the trek from Denver. I thought about going, but I'd like to save my vacation time for other events- like Widespread Panic at Red Rocks!
i had some friends travel down to tulsa to see them over the weekend. They said it was great! :thumb:

CosmicPal
05-03-2005, 10:19 AM
i had some friends travel down to tulsa to see them over the weekend. They said it was great! :thumb:

Yea, I probably should have gone to the show at KC for at least I know I'll be able to see them perform.

It's getting to be a pain in the azz anymore 'cause their three night stand here at Red Rocks sold out in minutes. It pisses me off 'cause 95% of the tickets were sold to out-of-staters via mail order. WSP needs to reconsider it's mail order 'cause the locals can no longer get a freakin' ticket- and just about the only place they have a problem with this is Red Rocks 'cause everyone just HAS to go see their favorite jamband at Red Rocks. It' BS.

Back in the days when the Grateful Dead was tourning, you didn't have this problem for the shows wouldn't sell out until the day before the show when all of the traveling hippies would saunter into town. At least then you could still get a ticket. Nowadays, it's BS. Four years ago, I was able to do the three night stand at Red Rocks- NOW, I'll be lucky if I can score a ticket.

phisherman
05-03-2005, 11:42 AM
i have to tell you, as a jamband fan, that i've never seen the fascination w/ panic...

i did see them a couple years ago though at starlight on sunny's birthday and it was a hell of a show...they opened and closed w/ van morrison songs, send your mind and it stoned me, respectively.

they really don't improvise much outside of the basic framework of their songs...kinda boring if you're going to see some heavy jamming...also, i like houser much more than their current guitarist...

now umphrey's mcgee, there's a band that can jam...check em out at wakarusa june 16-19, www.wakarusa.com

it's gonna be huge!
bp

CosmicPal
05-03-2005, 11:49 AM
i have to tell you, as a jamband fan, that i've never seen the fascination w/ panic...

i did see them a couple years ago though at starlight on sunny's birthday and it was a hell of a show...they opened and closed w/ van morrison songs, send your mind and it stoned me, respectively.

they really don't improvise much outside of the basic framework of their songs...kinda boring if you're going to see some heavy jamming...also, i like houser much more than their current guitarist...

now umphrey's mcgee, there's a band that can jam...check em out at wakarusa june 16-19, www.wakarusa.com

it's gonna be huge!
bp

WSP is the nearest thing for me to the Grateful Dead's aura. WSP does a wonderful job of improvising. Umphrey's McGee is OK....although I have yet to see them live and have only heard their music.

If you're going to Wakarusa, I may be going myself.

The bands to check out there are: Donna the Buffalo, Railroad Earth, Blueground Undergrass, and MOFRO- four damn good reasons why I may be going.

NewChief
05-03-2005, 12:08 PM
WSP is the nearest thing for me to the Grateful Dead's aura. WSP does a wonderful job of improvising. Umphrey's McGee is OK....although I have yet to see them live and have only heard their music.

If you're going to Wakarusa, I may be going myself.

The bands to check out there are: Donna the Buffalo, Railroad Earth, Blueground Undergrass, and MOFRO- four damn good reasons why I may be going.

I agree with phisherman on WSP. Some of my good friends are huge spreadheads. Hang with the band, go backstage, get invited to their birthday parties, etc. I've seen them probably ten times, but I've never really liked them that much live. I really dig their songwriting and albums, though. Just don't like the way they improvise.

As for Hauser's guitar playing, it's blasphemy since the poor guy is dead, but I never really much cared for it. That single "whirlwind" effect that he used never did it for me. George, on the other hand, I really like. I haven't heard him much with WSP, but I loved him in Beanland, a small band that he and JoJo used to play with out of Oxford, MS.

Wakarusa: That is a sick freaking lineup. I'm really impressed with the way they've branched out from the whole jamband scene. Wilco, Son Volt, Junior Brown, Neko Case, Ozomatli, Calexico, etc. Not to mention more jambands than you can shake a spliff at.

If you decide to check out the stage in the campgronds, be sure to check out Eckobase. They're good friends of mine from Fayetteville that are playing. Really cool guys.

CosmicPal
05-03-2005, 12:19 PM
I agree with phisherman on WSP. Some of my good friends are huge spreadheads. Hang with the band, go backstage, get invited to their birthday parties, etc. I've seen them probably ten times, but I've never really liked them that much live. I really dig their songwriting and albums, though. Just don't like the way they improvise.

As for Hauser's guitar playing, it's blasphemy since the poor guy is dead, but I never really much cared for it. That single "whirlwind" effect that he used never did it for me. George, on the other hand, I really like. I haven't heard him much with WSP, but I loved him in Beanland, a small band that he and JoJo used to play with out of Oxford, MS.

Wakarusa: That is a sick freaking lineup. I'm really impressed with the way they've branched out from the whole jamband scene. Wilco, Son Volt, Junior Brown, Neko Case, Ozomatli, Calexico, etc. Not to mention more jambands than you can shake a spliff at.

If you decide to check out the stage in the campgronds, be sure to check out Eckobase. They're good friends of mine from Fayetteville that are playing. Really cool guys.

We've already had this discussion before, regarding WSP.

But, I agree- that Wakarusa line-up is outstanding. I'm afraid if I go, I'll never get any sleep for three days 'cause I'll want to watch every single band.

phisherman
05-03-2005, 12:55 PM
WSP is the nearest thing for me to the Grateful Dead's aura. WSP does a wonderful job of improvising. Umphrey's McGee is OK....although I have yet to see them live and have only heard their music.

If you're going to Wakarusa, I may be going myself.

The bands to check out there are: Donna the Buffalo, Railroad Earth, Blueground Undergrass, and MOFRO- four damn good reasons why I may be going.

I'm not saying that they don't improvise...but what in the world other than the social aspect of panic reminds you of the dead...panic doesn't do anything that even remotely resembles dark star....now there's a vehicle for improvisation...pure organic improv as opposed to panic's prolonged soloing over changes...

if you check out some live umphrey's, you'll find that they make spots in their sets for pure improv...these improv sections sometimes turn into songs, depending on how successful they are in the framework of the show

my waka list:
wilco
conspirator
son volt
samples
galactic
umphrey's
big metal rooster
mofro
sci
mule
carbon leaf
split lip rayfield
junior brown
jay farrar acoustic

the list goes on and on...

can't wait for the show...

bp

phisherman
05-03-2005, 12:57 PM
also, i wasn't implying that a band has to play songs like dark star to be improvisers, but there are many other songs that the dead played that could result in far out improv

playin' in the band
other one
scarlet -> fire
etc

bp

CosmicPal
05-03-2005, 01:10 PM
also, i wasn't implying that a band has to play songs like dark star to be improvisers, but there are many other songs that the dead played that could result in far out improv

playin' in the band
other one
scarlet -> fire
etc

bp

You're comparing WSP to DSO (Dark Star Orchestra)? You can't compare those two bands, 'cause DSO does nothing more than take an entire Grateful Dead show and play the exact line-up from opening song to ending song. BTW- DSO does an unbeliveably awesome job doing so- the absolute best GD cover band by far and away.

Improvisation is merely a jazz term meaning the music isn't planned, but rather performed live by feeding off of each other's music- hence, the music can go anywhere it wants to. All jambands do this, and to say WSP doesn't, is pure fallacy.

This is the one reason why Miles Davis is considered a genious in what he does- he simply has a group of musicians go into a recording studio and they start jamming with no songs in mind.

Van Morrison even did this with his famed album, Astral Weeks. He had the musicians go into a booth and they were to feed off of Van's singing and his songs....this is improvisation as well.

But, you can't compare WSP to DSO 'cause you're really doing nothing more than comparing WSP to the GD.

phisherman
05-03-2005, 01:21 PM
You're comparing WSP to DSO (Dark Star Orchestra)? You can't compare those two bands, 'cause DSO does nothing more than take an entire Grateful Dead show and play the exact line-up from opening song to ending song. BTW- DSO does an unbeliveably awesome job doing so- the absolute best GD cover band by far and away.

Improvisation is merely a jazz term meaning the music isn't planned, but rather performed live by feeding off of each other's music- hence, the music can go anywhere it wants to. All jambands do this, and to say WSP doesn't, is pure fallacy.

This is the one reason why Miles Davis is considered a genious in what he does- he simply has a group of musicians go into a recording studio and they start jamming with no songs in mind.

Van Morrison even did this with his famed album, Astral Weeks. He had the musicians go into a booth and they were to feed off of Van's singing and his songs....this is improvisation as well.

But, you can't compare WSP to DSO 'cause you're really doing nothing more than comparing WSP to the GD.

I didn't mean dark star orchestra, i meant dark star, the song by the dead...you know, "dark star crashes....", a song thats only constant has been an enormous open improvisation after the first verse

once again, i'm not saying that panic doesn't improvise, i'm just saying that in a genre with bands like the dead, phish, umph, moe (all bands that tend to leave the chord structures of songs behind in favor of free improv), panic tends to play it close to the best and remain within the bounds of the melodic structure of their tune...once again, this is improv, but much less adventurous, and to me, a lot less interesting.

bp

CosmicPal
05-03-2005, 01:30 PM
I didn't mean dark star orchestra, i meant dark star, the song by the dead...you know, "dark star crashes....", a song thats only constant has been an enormous open improvisation after the first verse



Doh! Me bad. Sorry...thought you were comparing bands. Yes, I'm aware of Dark Star and it's nuances. You do know the Grateful Dead has never played any of their songs with the same musical structure?

What I mean is, like you're saying with Dark Star- that if they were to play U.S. Blues tonight, and then play it a week later, it will be a different U.S. Blues, and then a week later, it will be yet a different U.S. Blues.

phisherman
05-03-2005, 01:34 PM
Doh! Me bad. Sorry...thought you were comparing bands. Yes, I'm aware of Dark Star and it's nuances. You do know the Grateful Dead has never played any of their songs with the same musical structure?

What I mean is, like you're saying with Dark Star- that if they were to play U.S. Blues tonight, and then play it a week later, it will be a different U.S. Blues, and then a week later, it will be yet a different U.S. Blues.

yep, i've got tons of live dead on tape and cd...let me know if you're interested in any, right now i'm so behind on labeling spindles of cd's that i'm considering just giving a bunch of them away...i just gave away a bunch of old mid to late 80's phish tapes..

though i wouldn't say that u.s. blues ever changed much...

the dead needed to have that on the fly versatility...it's necessary when you have band members that nod off from drugs constantly...everyone needed to be on their feet..
bp

NewChief
05-03-2005, 01:37 PM
yep, i've got tons of live dead on tape and cd...let me know if you're interested in any, right now i'm so behind on labeling spindles of cd's that i'm considering just giving a bunch of them away...i just gave away a bunch of old mid to late 80's phish tapes..

though i wouldn't say that u.s. blues ever changed much...

the dead needed to have that on the fly versatility...it's necessary when you have band members that nod off from drugs constantly...everyone needed to be on their feet..
bp

U.S. Snooze. :ZZZ:

phisherman
05-03-2005, 01:44 PM
agreed.

i felt the same way about lots of dead songs....

though if i got a mississippi half step -> franklin's tower to open, they could play a whole show full of easy answers, samba in the rain, and my brother esau and i'd still be on cloud nine

bp

NewChief
05-03-2005, 01:46 PM
agreed.

i felt the same way about lots of dead songs....

though if i got a mississippi half step -> franklin's tower to open, they could play a whole show full of easy answers, samba in the rain, and my brother esau and i'd still be on cloud nine

bp

Those filler songs always wounded me. Same for Phish: bouncin, twist et al. Oh well, you gotta take a leak sometime while you're at a show.

phisherman
05-03-2005, 01:48 PM
Those filler songs always wounded me. Same for Phish: bouncin, twist et al. Oh well, you gotta take a leak sometime while you're at a show.

i hear you there...my god, the newbies love em though...

you should definitely come to wakarusa, it sounds like we could sit on lawn chairs next to each other and complain about all the damn filler songs..

:)

bp

CosmicPal
05-03-2005, 01:48 PM
yep, i've got tons of live dead on tape and cd

You know what I would love....I would love a CD copy of the July 4th show, at Sandstone in 1990, I believe it was. That show has one of my favorite versions of Fire on the Mountain. It was an unbelievable show- scorching hot too- something like 105 degrees all day....but, still one of my favorite shows.

CosmicPal
05-03-2005, 01:50 PM
U.S. Snooze. :ZZZ:

Whatever.

Have you seen the Grateful Dead movie? A blazing version of U.S. Blues on the film, but you have to check out the guy in the suspenders leaning up against the stage singing along with the band- he's an absolute riot! Crack up everytime I see him....

phisherman
05-03-2005, 01:51 PM
check it out here
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=11818

it's an audience taped copy, there is a soundboard also here, but it seems to be lost..

you can either download the .shn's and burn them to cd or you can just stream the show and listen through your broadband connection..

there are over 2500 dead shows for download on this site.

bp

phisherman
05-03-2005, 01:53 PM
Whatever.

Have you seen the Grateful Dead movie? A blazing version of U.S. Blues on the film, but you have to check out the guy in the suspenders leaning up against the stage singing along with the band- he's an absolute riot! Crack up everytime I see him....


i understand his point though, if you've listened to or seen a ton of shows, you're in the minority if you jumped up and down when you saw u.s. blues...i dig the tune, but i can think of a bunch of other songs by the dead that i'd rather see instead

sorry, i tend to be a little jaded when it comes to overplayed songs...i always think that there are older songs that they should be playing...for instance, let's trade st. stephen for u.s. blues

you could count on that song every 3rd or 4th show like clockwork

bp

phisherman
05-03-2005, 01:54 PM
check it out here
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=11818

it's an audience taped copy, there is a soundboard also here, but it seems to be lost..

you can either download the .shn's and burn them to cd or you can just stream the show and listen through your broadband connection..

there are over 2500 dead shows for download on this site.

bp

also, if you need help understanding what to do w/ these files, shoot me a PM, i'll give you a quick tutorial, it's extremely easy!

bp

NewChief
05-03-2005, 01:58 PM
Whatever.

Have you seen the Grateful Dead movie? A blazing version of U.S. Blues on the film, but you have to check out the guy in the suspenders leaning up against the stage singing along with the band- he's an absolute riot! Crack up everytime I see him....

Yeah. That dude's a trip.

I dunno, some of the songs just didn't excite me when I saw them live, because I knew that they weren't going to be a vehicle to see anything "new" whereas other songs, I knew would lead to some improv and exploration. That sort of predictability that jambands fall into (This is our "epic" song that we really use as a vehicle to stretch it out, the rest we play by the book) is one of the things I began to dislike about going to shows all the time.

I guess the real problem there, though, was going to too many shows so that I got to where I was "snobby" about shows and jaded if the show wasn't up to par, which is sort of silly. Although being a jamband fan really reminds me of being a Chiefs fan, and the discussions in both online communities are very similar. You have your people saying, "You guys aren't real fans! All you do is bitch about the team/band." and others saying, "You people are clueless homers/newbies that would eat shit if the band/team told you to."

CosmicPal
05-03-2005, 02:09 PM
i understand his point though, if you've listened to or seen a ton of shows, you're in the minority if you jumped up and down when you saw u.s. blues...i dig the tune, but i can think of a bunch of other songs by the dead that i'd rather see instead


I've seen my fair share of Dead shows, Phish shows, WSP shows, Phil Lesh & Phriends shows, Ratdog shows, SCI shows, and it goes on and on....Nevah, ever, have I ever told myself- "Oh geez, not this song again."

Guys, it's not about the songs- it's about the music, the energy, the vibes, the peeps.

You guys really need to read Deadhead Social Science. It's an interesting sociological book on the entire scene, the peeps, the songs, the music, and even Shakedown Street itself. Some kid in the class even marked how many times they played a song, when they played it, and where....it goes on and on...

Don't get me wrong, phisherman, but this has been my gist with Phish fans to begin with- they don't parlay into the communal energy of the music's adventures. It's about the music- and you don't need to be stoned out of your gore to understand the music....the music makes you spin, it makes you dance, it makes you smile- not the drugs, not your friends, and not the songs. It's all about the connection with what you're a hearing and believing. If you don't hear it, and you don't believe it- you're not going to like it. This is why when people say things like, "...the Grateful Dead suck.." they have a valid reason- 'cause if you don't "GET" the music, it does suck.

I tell you one thing, if I'm at a show and they play "U.S. Blues" and you say out loud, "Ahhh shucks, not this song again." Then you are in the wrong place....

NewChief
05-03-2005, 02:16 PM
Guys, it's not about the songs- it's about the music, the energy, the vibes, the peeps.

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I agree with you for the most part, and the end of my huge jamband phase ended shortly after I got jaded. That being said, you're describing your reason for loving the music and the shows. Other people have equally valid ones. For some people it is about going and getting stoned out of their gourds. For others it's about collecting experiences (I was there when they broke out Unbroken Chain for the first time!). For others it's about partaking in communal spirit. For some it's about collecting live music the way others collect baseball cards. I could go on and on. There's a ton of reasons that people go to shows, and to try to pigeonhole them all into a "right" reason to go to shows is..well...wrong.;)

phisherman
05-03-2005, 02:18 PM
I've seen my fair share of Dead shows, Phish shows, WSP shows, Phil Lesh & Phriends shows, Ratdog shows, SCI shows, and it goes on and on....Nevah, ever, have I ever told myself- "Oh geez, not this song again."

Guys, it's not about the songs- it's about the music, the energy, the vibes, the peeps.

You guys really need to read Deadhead Social Science. It's an interesting sociological book on the entire scene, the peeps, the songs, the music, and even Shakedown Street itself. Some kid in the class even marked how many times they played a song, when they played it, and where....it goes on and on...

Don't get me wrong, phisherman, but this has been my gist with Phish fans to begin with- they don't parlay into the communal energy of the music's adventures. It's about the music- and you don't need to be stoned out of your gore to understand the music....the music makes you spin, it makes you dance, it makes you smile- not the drugs, not your friends, and not the songs. It's all about the connection with what you're a hearing and believing. If you don't hear it, and you don't believe it- you're not going to like it. This is why when people say things like, "...the Grateful Dead suck.." they have a valid reason- 'cause if you don't "GET" the music, it does suck.

I tell you one thing, if I'm at a show and they play "U.S. Blues" and you say out loud, "Ahhh shucks, not this song again." Then you are in the wrong place....

totally valid point, but remember, that people go to shows for different reasons, and even though what you say makes sense, it doesn't change the fact that different people go to shows for different reasons...none are the only right way...

if i want to go and see a dead show, there will be things that i want to see or hear more than others, but i'm not going to drag everyone elses show down by being the guy saying, "this song sucks, play something old!"

as a hack, amateur musician my perception of the scene is just different, no more right or wrong than anyone elses...

bp