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Wile_E_Coyote
05-03-2005, 10:13 PM
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8441273

tk13
05-03-2005, 10:14 PM
Not sure I even want to click on this.

tk13
05-03-2005, 10:15 PM
Nope, sure didn't.

Pants
05-03-2005, 10:26 PM
Hahahahaha. How does he keep his job? This is never seizes to amaze me.

tk13
05-03-2005, 10:26 PM
Seriously, Marlin Jackson is supposed to be the be-all and end-all to save the Colts defense. We add three guys who can play at Pro Bowl level, a pass rusher who had 8 sacks a couple years ago, and arguably the best defensive player in college football, and we may have not done enough. That is devoid of logic.

Spicy McHaggis
05-03-2005, 10:36 PM
The whole thing is pretty laughable. One of my favorite gems.

Buffalo Bills 14
"The defense will be good again, but the team's fate rests with J.P. Losman. Is he this year's Roethlisberger?"

Ummm, no. No he will not. Roethlisberger is light years ahead of Losman's cocky ass.

Frazod
05-03-2005, 10:40 PM
What a total cock. :shake:

beer bacon
05-03-2005, 10:42 PM
Oakland at 13 is idiotic. Forget that they had the league's worst defense in terms of points given up last year and have not done anything to fix it. Forget that they reached on two corners in rounds one and two of the draft. Forget that they lost two of their only decent defensive players.

Forget all this, because they got Moss!!!~!!@!11one

Also, forget that Prisco was the guy that had DJ going to the Lions at #10, but didn't think he was a good pick for us at #15. Forget that he was too stupid to check a draft tracker while he was writing his post draft grades so he marked us down and said we shouldn't have drafted a punter in the 2nd round.

Dunit35
05-03-2005, 10:43 PM
I just waisted 5 minutes of my time reading that dumb article...and to think I could've been going to the bathroom...how can you rank the bills higher then KC..what a joke..

Spicy McHaggis
05-03-2005, 10:45 PM
I just waisted 5 minutes of my time reading that dumb article...and to think I could've been going to the bathroom...

When you do go mail it to Prisco and demand you be paid for your shit too.

Stinger
05-03-2005, 10:46 PM
Seriously, Marlin Jackson is supposed to be the be-all and end-all to save the Colts defense. We add three guys who can play at Pro Bowl level, a pass rusher who had 8 sacks a couple years ago, and arguably the best defensive player in college football, and we may have not done enough. That is devoid of logic.

Oakland at 13 is idiotic. Forget that they had the league's worst defense in terms of points given up last year and have not done anything to fix it. Forget that they reached on two corners in rounds one and two of the draft. Forget that they lost two of their only decent defensive players.

Forget all this, because they got Moss!!!~!!@!11one


Prisco Brilliant!!!

:shake:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/stinger871/Brilliant.jpg

Wile_E_Coyote
05-03-2005, 10:50 PM
...

Also, forget that Prisco was the guy that had DJ going to the Lions at #10, but didn't think he was a good pick for us at #15. Forget that he was too stupid to check a draft tracker while he was writing his post draft grades so he marked us down and said we shouldn't have drafted a punter in the 2nd round.is this the guy who got a bunch of emails from Chiefs Planet members for his draft grade a couple of weeks ago?

If it is this article is fall down funny

Logical
05-03-2005, 10:51 PM
I don't like it and I think he is wrong but if I was an oddsmaker I would probably place the Chiefs towards the middle. I will say again I think the Chiefs will go 11-5 and win their division and even reach the AFC championship game if not better.

But here is why I would put them in the middle if I was an oddsmaker.

Odds are the offense will fall off significantly 3 years on top is amazing 4 would be unprecedented and unlikely. Odds are they drop down to around 10.

Though they will likely have a minimum of 5 different/new starters on defense odds are it will take time for them to gel and with our killer schedule for the first 9 games odds would say that is quite a few losses.

Lack of defensive depth, the improvement is going to come from those different/new starters if even one of them goes down it is likely to hurt significantly if it is either Bell or Surtain it will likely be devastating.

Lack of O-line depth and an aging offensive line is a scary prospect

OK now having said all that:
I believe we will still finish top 5 offense

I believe we will finish in the top 12 defensively

I believe that we had a really awful year injury wise and that balance says we are more fortunate this year.

beer bacon
05-03-2005, 10:52 PM
is this the guy who got a bunch of emails from Chiefs Planet members for his draft grade a couple of weeks ago?

If it is this article is fall down funny

Yeah it is. I sent him a really long one.

Dunit35
05-03-2005, 10:54 PM
When you do go mail it to Prisco and demand you be paid for your shit too.



hahaha...also Oakland higher then KC too...yeah Denver has made such huge improvements to be at #9...oh wait they took all them first round busts from Cleveland..I guess if we would have signed Ryan Leaf,and Ki Jana Carter, we probably would have been ranked real high...

Wile_E_Coyote
05-03-2005, 10:56 PM
Yeah it is. I sent him a really long one.

"Sometimes it mystifies me how much feedback we get from the CBS SportsLine.com Power Rankings. They evoke so many emotions from the fans, ranging from anger to praise (yes, there is some) to sheer rage. For once, I'd like to offer an emotion of my own after doing another batch of them -- relief."

Pants
05-03-2005, 10:59 PM
"I don't know why, but I have a feeling they will slide some this season. They'll be competitive, but slide just a bit."

Translation: "**** it, I'm too lazy to actually think about what the teams did in the draft/FA, and doing all the research is such a bitch!"

beer bacon
05-03-2005, 11:00 PM
"Sometimes it mystifies me how much feedback we get from the CBS SportsLine.com Power Rankings. They evoke so many emotions from the fans, ranging from anger to praise (yes, there is some) to sheer rage. For once, I'd like to offer an emotion of my own after doing another batch of them -- relief."

I was pretty civil with him STFU

He deserves to be whipped through the streets of Kansas City for his horrible takes.

Logical
05-03-2005, 11:02 PM
hahaha...also Oakland higher then KC too...yeah Denver has made such huge improvements to be at #9...oh wait they took all them first round busts from Cleveland..I guess if we would have signed Ryan Leaf,and Ki Jana Carter, we probably would have been ranked real high...

I totally agree with you on Oakland, however 9 is about right for where Denver finished last season and they really have lost nothing significant from that team. I would say they have not improved but I don't see how they have fallen either just because they signed several backup players.

Dunit35
05-03-2005, 11:05 PM
I totally agree with you on Oakland, however 9 is about right for where Denver finished last season and they really have lost nothing significant from that team. I would say they have not improved but I don't see how they have fallen either just because they signed several backup players.


Thats true....But as of right now drafting Mo Clarett in the 3rd round should drop them to 32...but dont get me wrong he could turn into a hellish back someday....

beer bacon
05-03-2005, 11:05 PM
I totally agree with you on Oakland, however 9 is about right for where Denver finished last season and they really have lost nothing significant from that team. I would say they have not improved but I don't see how they have fallen either just because they signed several backup players.

If the Chargers are 8th then Denver should not be 9th. If you are just going on paper then Denver hasn't done anything this offseason while San Diego has improved. No matter where San Diego is ranked, Denver should be ranked quite a bit behind them.

Anyways, I like how this was Prisco's take on Dallas:

21 Dallas Cowboys 26
Can Drew Bledsoe take the offense a notch up from a year ago? The defense will be better with the addition of more talent.

I guess adding two rookies trumps Bell, Knight, Surtain, and one really good rookie.

Dunit35
05-03-2005, 11:07 PM
If the Chargers are 8th then Denver should not be 9th. If you are just going on paper then Denver hasn't done anything this offseason while San Diego has improved. No matter where San Diego is ranked, Denver should be ranked quite a bit behind them.

Anyways, I like how this was Prisco's take on Dallas:

21 Dallas Cowboys 26
Can Drew Bledsoe take the offense a notch up from a year ago? The defense will be better with the addition of more talent.

I guess adding two rookies trumps Bell, Knight, Surtain, and one really good rookie.


agreed....

HolmeZz
05-03-2005, 11:17 PM
Broncos at 9? No.

Saints at 12? ROFL

Oakland at 13?

Buffalo at 14?

tk13
05-03-2005, 11:17 PM
I totally agree with you on Oakland, however 9 is about right for where Denver finished last season and they really have lost nothing significant from that team. I would say they have not improved but I don't see how they have fallen either just because they signed several backup players.
I find it interesting that when the Chiefs don't do anything in an offseason it's certain doom but the Broncos do that and they should be alright.

Count Alex's Wins
05-03-2005, 11:22 PM
I find it interesting that when the Chiefs don't do anything in an offseason it's certain doom but the Broncos do that and they should be alright.

Bad comparison IMO. They have brought in 4 defensive lineman and a linebacker.

tk13
05-03-2005, 11:27 PM
Bad comparison IMO. They have brought in 4 defensive lineman and a linebacker.
From the 32nd ranked defense in the league.

beer bacon
05-03-2005, 11:29 PM
Bad comparison IMO. They have brought in 4 defensive lineman and a linebacker.

We should wait and see before we call them defensive linemen. They may just be gigantic cheeto eating doorstops.

Logical
05-03-2005, 11:54 PM
I find it interesting that when the Chiefs don't do anything in an offseason it's certain doom but the Broncos do that and they should be alright.

The Broncos had a top 5 ranked offense and defense last year. The Chiefs had the 31st ranked defense 2 years ago. That is a huge, huge difference.

tk13
05-03-2005, 11:58 PM
The Broncos had a top 5 ranked offense and defense last year. The Chiefs had the 31st ranked defense 2 years ago. That is a huge, huge difference.
The Broncos allowed 49 points in the playoffs. 41 the year before. That is 90 points the last two years in playoff competition. That "ranking" sure didn't get them far.

Wallcrawler
05-04-2005, 12:03 AM
I also LOVE how he has the New York Jets rated ahead of the Chiefs.

The Jets first round pick was the mediocre Raiders TE Doug Jolley.

Second round....Kicker.


Yet the Chiefs aquiring the best linebacker in the draft, and a top 5 corner with their first two picks isnt enough to rank higher than what the Jets did.

What a complete dumbass.

Pennington is coming off of shoulder surgery, and they are going to be using a completely new offense this year. Unless everyone on that offense is a quick learner and immediately gels, the jets are going to take some time to get to their full potential offensively. Defensively, they havent done anything, apparently waiting on the Ty Law outcome. When you use your first round pick on Doug Jolley, something is wrong there. But even a bonehead move like that still ranks the Jets over the Chiefs somehow.

Id love to know who gave this guy his job. Whoever it was must have the most well-polished knob in sportswriting history, because this guy doesnt know his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to covering football.

The Chiefs add 3 former pro bowlers, best linebacker in the draft, and a pretty good pass rush specialist, but that isnt enough to impress anyone.

This is the most significant offseason in Chiefs franchise history I think. Ive never seen them go out and pursue top tier talent in the manner in which they have, and then follow it up with a solid draft.

Logical
05-04-2005, 12:38 AM
The Broncos allowed 49 points in the playoffs. 41 the year before. That is 90 points the last two years in playoff competition. That "ranking" sure didn't get them far.

I may be wrong, but aren't the rankings at this point supposed to cover next seasons strength, not playoff performance?

Brock
05-04-2005, 12:42 AM
The Patriots added "key veteran" David Terrell. :rolleyes:

RINGLEADER
05-04-2005, 01:19 AM
Ravens at number 4? I mean they're not a bad team, but they still don't have a quarterback...

htismaqe
05-04-2005, 06:10 AM
Then it gets hard -- really hard. Of course, that won't earn me any pity from my e-mail haters. Skimming the rankings, I can see the nastiness coming now.

Poor, poor victim Pete Prisco.

We all know that these power rankings are subjective, we won't send you hate mail.

What rouses our ire is when you say things like "they drafted a punter in the 2nd round". :rolleyes:

milkman
05-04-2005, 08:05 AM
So let me get this straight Pete?

A team that already had a pretty bad defense, that does nothing to improve that defense, even trades away a couple of the defensive starters after finishing last in their division, somehow manages to leapfrog a team that finished ahead of them in the same division, that went out and signed a former pro bowl LB, a former pro bowl safety, trades for one of the top CBs in the league, trades for a pass rushing DE, drafts a LB that pre draft was being hailed as the most NFL ready prospect in years, and already has one of the top offenses in the league.

My God, Randy Moss is a freakin' miracle worker.

But I bet he ain't no Rich Scanlon!

Baby Lee
05-04-2005, 08:12 AM
1. If
2. If if
3. If if if
4. Iffity ifty
5. If maybe woulda coulda shoulda
6. Ifferino

And so on.

King_Chief_Fan
05-04-2005, 08:19 AM
The Broncos had a top 5 ranked offense and defense last year. The Chiefs had the 31st ranked defense 2 years ago. That is a huge, huge difference.

all that and still a bust in the playoffs....one and done

rankings haven't won anything

milkman
05-04-2005, 08:31 AM
I believe we will still finish top 5 offense

If Marc Boerigther comes back healthy and plays at a level equal to or better than 3 years ago, and Samie Parker turns out to be the kind of receiver he appeared to be at the end of last season, then this offense has the potential to be even better than in the last couple of seasons.

I believe we will finish in the top 12 defensively

While this defense will be improved, and will get better as the season wears on, I just can't see it making that kind of leap unless Sims and Siavii really step up and start getting a push in the middle of that D-Line.

C-Mac
05-04-2005, 08:50 AM
If Marc Boerigther comes back healthy and plays at a level equal to or better than 3 years ago, and Samie Parker turns out to be the kind of receiver he appeared to be at the end of last season, then this offense has the potential to be even better than in the last couple of seasons.

Dont forget the ace in the hole "Chris Wilson", but if Boerigther can come back to form after his type of injury, it would be tad short of a miracle.

eazyb81
05-04-2005, 09:16 AM
After reading through the past 3 pages, I don't think I will even bother clicking on the link.

Baby Lee
05-04-2005, 09:30 AM
Dont forget the ace in the hole "Chris Wilson", but if Boerigther can come back to form after his type of injury, it would be tad short of a miracle.
Yeah, Chris Wilson, Boerigther, Casey Wigman, Patrick Surtane, Ryan Simms, and Sammie Parker make quite a contingent.

Hoover
05-04-2005, 09:31 AM
I just waisted 5 minutes of my time reading that dumb article...and to think I could've been going to the bathroom...how can you rank the bills higher then KC..what a joke..
It took you 5 mins to read that?

Sad :D

KCTitus
05-04-2005, 09:31 AM
If someone were so inclined, they could save a copy of this article and should things not pan out the way Prisco says, one could then insert it into his colon.

C-Mac
05-04-2005, 09:38 AM
Yeah, Chris Wilson, Boerigther, Casey Wigman, Patrick Surtane, Ryan Simms, and Sammie Parker make quite a contingent.

Never was good with names, but fortunately you at least had a clue who I was talking about.

Baby Lee
05-04-2005, 09:41 AM
Never was good with names, but fortunately you at least had a clue who I was talking about.
It's all Kool and the Gang. :thumb:
Woudn't have busted your balls, but there were two in there. And I was more commenting on the general inability to spell a number of the names on the roster around here. Not just you.


That part was a bonus. ;)

Donger
05-04-2005, 09:44 AM
This is never seizes to amaze me.

Did that hurt?

ChiefsCountry
05-04-2005, 09:53 AM
Chiefs dont need the expectations on them, this is going to be good for them.

Wrasse
05-04-2005, 10:03 AM
Chiefs dont need the expectations on them, this is going to be good for them.
Yep. I love it when we are ranked low. Put us at the bottom and rationalize it however you wish...I'm ready for the season to start.

** is adopting a "Show Me" state attitude **

Mr. Laz
05-04-2005, 10:05 AM
RK Team
16 Kansas City Chiefs

Once again the main question is the same: Have they done enough to help the defense?

sounds like a good place to start to me


i want the team under rated and hungry going into the season. i hope they are ignored most the season ...


.....until the super bowl that is. :fire:

Rain Man
05-04-2005, 10:07 AM
I think sidewinder has a good take. Randy Moss and an 11" Ditka could win the Super Bowl.

Baby Lee
05-04-2005, 10:31 AM
My take - preserving Prisco's numbers for comparison.

1 - 1 New England Patriots 1
2 - 3 Philadelphia Eagles 3
3 - 8 San Diego Chargers 7
4 - 2 Indianapolis Colts 2
5 - 4 Baltimore Ravens 5
6 - 10 Minnesota Vikings 16
7 - 5 Pittsburgh Steelers 4
8 - 6 Atlanta Falcons 6
9 - 11 Carolina Panthers 15
10 - 16 Kansas City Chiefs 17
11 - 7 Jacksonville Jaguars 10
12 - 20 Arizona Cardinals 27
13 - 28 Washington Redskins 22
14 - 9 Denver Broncos 11
15 - 14 New York Jets 8
16 - 12 New Orleans Saints 13
17 - 21 Dallas Cowboys 26
18 - 13 Oakland Raiders 25
19 - 15 Buffalo Bills 14
20 - 17 Seattle Seahawks 9
21 - 18 Green Bay Packers 12
22 - 19 St. Louis Rams 21
23 - 27 Detroit Lions 24
24 - 23 Cincinnati Bengals 19
25 - 24 Houston Texans 18
26 - 26 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 23
27 - 22 New York Giants 29
28 - 29 Chicago Bears 28
29 - 25 Tennessee Titans 20
30 - 30 Miami Dolphins 30
31 - 31 Cleveland Browns 31
32 - 32 San Francisco 49ers 32

Spicy McHaggis
05-04-2005, 11:02 AM
My take - preserving Prisco's numbers for comparison.

Not bad although I think Skins are too high, Chargers should fall a bit, and I think we're better than the Panthers this year coming in.

Gravedigger
05-04-2005, 11:04 AM
Yeah it looks almost exactly like espn's power rankings at the end of last year. This will be like two years ago when nobody took us seriously and then we went 13-3 only now we have a defense.

Spicy McHaggis
05-04-2005, 11:09 AM
It almost doesn't bother me because I don't want anyone giving this Defense props until they do something on the field. I enjoy being the underdog and I hope that our players can thrive on this and show they have something to prove.

Baby Lee
05-04-2005, 11:11 AM
Not bad although I think Skins are too high, Chargers should fall a bit, and I think we're better than the Panthers this year coming in.
Skins D is fierce, and they wasted the first half of last season on the wrong QB, making them look worse off than they are. Even then, they lost a lot of VERY close games.
And are you forgetting how strongly Carolina ended out the season?

Ultra Peanut
05-04-2005, 11:12 AM
Yeah, Chris Wilson, Boerigther, Casey Wigman, Patrick Surtane, Ryan Simms, and Sammie Parker make quite a contingent.Cease the day!

Ultra Peanut
05-04-2005, 11:12 AM
Hahahahaha. How does he keep his job? This is never seizes to amaze me.Heh...

Yeah, Chris Wilson, Boerigther, Casey Wigman, Patrick Surtane, Ryan Simms, and Sammie Parker make quite a contingent.Cease the day!

Spicy McHaggis
05-04-2005, 11:15 AM
Skins D is fierce, and they wasted the first half of last season on the wrong QB, making them look worse off than they are. Even then, they lost a lot of VERY close games.

Who is the right QB for them? I like Ramsey but apparently their FO doesn't. Perhaps the drafting of his replacement will spark a Brees like season for him. I wouldn't mind seeing Pat being brought in as Green's successor if he gets kicked out the door in Washington.

Baby Lee
05-04-2005, 11:23 AM
Who is the right QB for them? I like Ramsey but apparently their FO doesn't. Perhaps the drafting of his replacement will spark a Brees like season for him. I wouldn't mind seeing Pat being brought in as Green's successor if he gets kicked out the door in Washington.
They certainly need to shore up the position and let someone know they're THE man. But that D ain't goin' anywhere, and there was any number of games last year where they just needed ANYTHING out of the QB to get the win.
10 losses - 7 by a TD or less, 3 by 3.

Spicy McHaggis
05-04-2005, 11:33 AM
and there was any number of games last year where they just needed ANYTHING out of the QB to get the win.
10 losses - 7 by a TD or less, 3 by 3.

The Trent Dilfer Complex. Their D should still be great and I have every faith Carlos Rogers can fill in just fine for Smoot. Gibbs should have a better idea of what to do with the offense this year, last year it didn't really look like he knew how to use Portis. I'm beginning to see why you ranked them that high as long as the QB situation doesn't implode they should have success.

Herzig
05-04-2005, 11:37 AM
The Trent Dilfer Complex. Their D should still be great and I have every faith Carlos Rogers can fill in just fine for Smoot. Gibbs should have a better idea of what to do with the offense this year, last year it didn't really look like he knew how to use Portis. I'm beginning to see why you ranked them that high as long as the QB situation doesn't implode they should have success.

The skins offensive line sucks...that's the problem with portis and their QB's.

Baby Lee
05-04-2005, 11:38 AM
I'm also prepared for the Eagles to drop off the map, with the defections and the TO situation. But they've weathered more than this before, reloaded and shocked the heck out of me time and time again. So they're not dropping off my board until they actually implode.

Spicy McHaggis
05-04-2005, 11:43 AM
The skins offensive line sucks...that's the problem with portis and their QB's.

True, a cutback guy like Portis needs a lane. Chris Samuels is really the only guy worth a shit on that line.

FringeNC
05-04-2005, 12:28 PM
Baltimore Ravens #4? Kyle Boller is absolutely terrible.

Herzig
05-04-2005, 12:54 PM
Baltimore Ravens #4? Kyle Boller is absolutely terrible.

Their D is just plain scary though...add Samari Rolle to that team now too...Add Derrick Mason, Clayton, and a healthly Todd Heap and Boller should have a good year.

Brock
05-04-2005, 12:58 PM
Their D is just plain scary though.

The Chiefs didn't think so.

Rain Man
05-04-2005, 01:00 PM
True, a cutback guy like Portis needs a lane. Chris Samuels is really the only guy worth a shit on that line.

They should get Jansen back again this year, too. Admittedly, I haven't seen him in action but I thought he had a good reputation at right tackle.

keg in kc
05-04-2005, 08:04 PM
We're a 7-9 team until we prove otherwise.

Although it's ironic how we get the "did they do enough to fix the defense" bit whereas Oakland gets the "whee, 38-35 games rock" quote.

Sometimes I wonder if these guys ever bother to read their own stuff.

FringeNC
05-04-2005, 09:39 PM
We're a 7-9 team until we prove otherwise.


I dunno. In baseball, ERA is a much better predictor of future W/L record than the current W/L record is. I'd guess something similar holds for football. When you look at the fundamentals, the Chiefs outgained their opponents yardage-wise. I'd guess that's a pretty good predictor of team strength. I think after an incredibly lucky 2003, the 2004 Chiefs were the same team, just very unlucky. The real team (forgetting about the possible D upgrade for a sec) is somewhere between 13-3 and 7-9.

wolfpack0735
05-04-2005, 09:51 PM
the Raiders have more to prove than we do. their offense and defense suck`d last year, only our defense suck`d. they improved their "o", we improved our " d". moss isn`t god they still dont have a running game. power polls in may should be kept were they belong. used to wipe one a$$ after a hefty dump.

keg in kc
05-04-2005, 10:33 PM
I dunno. In baseball, ERA is a much better predictor of future W/L record than the current W/L record is. I'd guess something similar holds for football. When you look at the fundamentals, the Chiefs outgained their opponents yardage-wise. I'd guess that's a pretty good predictor of team strength. I think after an incredibly lucky 2003, the 2004 Chiefs were the same team, just very unlucky. The real team (forgetting about the possible D upgrade for a sec) is somewhere between 13-3 and 7-9. don't think there's any way to predict. There are too many factors that can have an impact. Injuries to us. Injuries to other teams. Unknown performance (good and bad) by incoming rookies and free agents, again for us and for our opponents. There's just too much that can happen between now and the beginning of the season, much less the end.

My guess would be 11-5 or 12-4. But, hey, I predicted 10-6 or 11-5 last year, and we know how that turned out.