Boulware has been released

[KChiefs1]

Ravens | Boulware Release Official - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 11 May 2005 14:24:59 -0700

Updating a previous story, BaltimoreRavens.com reports the Baltimore Ravens have terminated the contract of LB Peter Boulware. "Peter has been a major contributor to the success of our organization both on and off the field. As others who have departed this year, whether it has been by termination or free agency, we feel that Peter will continue to be a successful player in this league," said Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome.

[FloridaMan88]

The Chiefs don't need another injury-prone LB

[chagrin]

I haven't heard much about him as of late, did he really slip that much? If not...

[ROYC75]

Past his prime.......injury prone.

[Ebolapox]

cut barber and sign bouleware... bouleware came out of college as a DE, and if he's healthy, he'd be a good DE opposite jared allen :shrug:

I know, it'll never happen

-EB-

[KChiefs1]

May 11, 2005
BOULWARE RELEASED

The Baltimore Ravens have terminated the contract of LB Peter Boulware, it was announced today by Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome.

“Due to the play of Adalius Thomas and the drafting of Dan Cody, we decided to terminate Peter Boulware,” said Newsome. “Peter has been a major contributor to the success of our organization both on and off the field. As others who have departed this year, whether it has been by termination or free agency, we feel that Peter will continue to be a successful player in this league.”

A nine-year NFL veteran, Boulware is the franchise’s leading sacker, with 67.5 career sacks. In his time with the Ravens, Boulware was named to four Pro Bowls (1998, 1999, 2002 and 2003) and totaled 487 career tackles, 18 PD, 12 FFs, 5 FRs and 1 INT.

Boulware saw action in 111 games with Baltimore, starting 102. He led the AFC and was second in the NFL with a career-high 15 sacks in 2001, when he switched from LB to DE for the final six games of the season. Boulware also earned the Ed Block Courage Award following the 1999 season, when he played with a shoulder harness to support his dislocated shoulder, and still managed 10 sacks. Boulware was named Defensive Rookie of the Year in 1997 after posting 11.5 sacks.

[The Bad Guy]

Injury prone?

He missed 1 game until last season's injury.

Sign me up for this guy. Put Bell in the middle put Boulware at will and DJ at strong.

He can get after the QB in a big way.

[tyton75]

would love to have him.. will NEVER happen

[chagrin]

[QUOTE=The Bad Guy]Injury prone?

He missed 1 game until last season's injury.

nice stat dude

[Bwana]

I have always liked Boulware. The guy plays balls to the wall.

[Soupnazi]

League minimum for a 9 year veteran ain't gonna be cheap.

[The Bad Guy]

League minimum for a 9 year veteran ain't gonna be cheap.

Likely around 800,000.

But if the Chiefs just reach an injury settlement with Barber, we could have enough money to get this guy.

I just don't see the logic in keeping Barber if they are planning on playing Bell at weak anyway.

[bricks]

He's got very little gas left in the tank. Best years are far far behind him. No thanks. We are better off with what we got.

[ROYC75]

My bad, I missed that one, I was thinking he was injured alot the last 2 years, or something like that.

I believe we are capped out, will he sign for Vet. min ?

[The Bad Guy]

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[ROYC75]

How old is he now ? 30 , 30 something ?

[The Bad Guy]

How old is he now ? 30 , 30 something ?

30.

Will be 31 in December.

[Rausch]

I'd prefer to see if an older Boulware can come back than wait and see if an older Barber and Maz can come back...

[Ebolapox]

amen, rausch

-EB-

[Soupnazi]

Likely around 800,000.

But if the Chiefs just reach an injury settlement with Barber, we could have enough money to get this guy.

I just don't see the logic in keeping Barber if they are planning on playing Bell at weak anyway.

That's less than I was expecting it to be. I'm still of the opinion that we need another linebacker w/ the injury issues of Maz and Barber. I guess I'd be for it if they can get it done cheap.

[bricks]

Boulware is a pass-rush specialist. That's all he is. We don't need him. We got that in Bell.

[The Bad Guy]

Boulware is a pass-rush specialist. That's all he is. We don't need him. We got that in Bell.

I would hardly call Bell a specialist.

With how bad our defense was last year, we could take as many good players as we can get.

[Ebolapox]

sign him YESTERDAY

-EB-

[tk13]

Could do worse for sure, I think I still want to see if we can find a cheap DT out there like we did with Dalton last year though. Just in case Sims and Siavii flop and Dalton comes down to earth some, which would be just our luck.

[bricks]

I would hardly call Bell a specialist.

With how bad our defense was last year, we could take as many good players as we can get.

True. I was looking at his statistics on NFL.com, he has been productive as a pass rusher. Posting up good numbers throughout his career, last season he didn't play at all. I'm not a statistics goon, but, for sacks I kinda am. Boulware has averaged 8.5 sacks per season over his career, and has recorded a total of 67.5 sacks for his career. If we could get him for cheap, why not? We could use his services as a situational pass rusher.

[bricks]

Could do worse for sure, I think I still want to see if we can find a cheap DT out there like we did with Dalton last year though. Just in case Sims and Siavii flop and Dalton comes down to earth some, which would be just our luck.

I'll bet Browning could step in and perform better than Sims. As for him being better than Siavii, don't know yet.

[tk13]

I'll bet Browning could step in and perform better than Sims. As for him being better than Siavii, don't know yet.
It's the only position we really haven't tried to upgrade, and as much as we rotate linemen I wouldn't mind if we at least tried to get another body there. I'm not going to freak out if we don't sign one or anything but it wouldn't hurt.

[DeepSouth]

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[Thig Lyfe]

BUT WHAT ABOUT TY LAW!!?!?!?

[Valiant]

He's got very little gas left in the tank. Best years are far far behind him. No thanks. We are better off with what we got.


probowl in 2003... how far is 'far far'...

[Ultra Peanut]

Boulware or Barber... hmmmmm, that's a dilemma!

[ChiefsCountry]

Past his prime.......injury prone.

Last year was the first time. You just dont want another linebacker bc it might knock your fudge packer Scanlon out.

[foxman]

lets sign him.

[bringbackmarty]

if we sign him it puts bell in the middle a lot more. Bell middle good. Kawika or god forbid Fujita, or Maz w\brace....bad.

[Ultra Peanut]

Last year was the first time. You just dont want another linebacker bc it might knock your fudge packer Scanlon out.Seriously. We could trade Jonathan Smith for Ray Lewis and Roy would be singing that tune.

[Bowser]

I'm kind of suprised that the Ravens cut him loose before June 1.

And I wouldn't mind seeing him here.

[tomahawk kid]

I think the Chiefs at least have to take a look at this guy.

Especially given the injury issues we have on the outside.

[Wallcrawler]

Boulware is a pass-rush specialist. That's all he is. We don't need him. We got that in Bell.


Bull.

The guy has been successful both at OLB and at DE. Both positions on the Chiefs defense right now could use help. Peter Boulware could EASILY unseat Eric Hicks on the defensive line if there was no OLB spot open. If you think for one moment that Hicks brings more to the table than Peter Boulware on the DL, Ill have a double shot of whatever youre drinking, because it must be good.

[Sure-Oz]

I'd def. make an offer for him, we def. need depth and he would help.

[cdcox]

Bull.

The guy has been successful both at OLB and at DE. Both positions on the Chiefs defense right now could use help. Peter Boulware could EASILY unseat Eric Hicks on the defensive line if there was no OLB spot open. If you think for one moment that Hicks brings more to the table than Peter Boulware on the DL, Ill have a double shot of whatever youre drinking, because it must be good.


Yeah, but how well would Boulware handle being 1-4? Eric Hicks is one of the best in the league at that!

[Kylo Ren]

If we could get him cheap, I'd be in favor of us signing him primarily as a DE, but he could also serve as a backup LB. He may not have much gas left in the tank, but I think he'd still be better than Hicks. I've had it with Hicks. I don't see what the Chiefs see in Hicks. He's had one mediocre year. Big deal.

[beer bacon]

I don't know about him not having anything left in the tank. Last year was the only year where he missed a significant amount of time:

YEAR TEAM G GS TOT SOLO AST PD SACK FF REC INT YDS TD
1997 BAL 16 16 58 43 15 0 11.5 1 0 0 0 0
1998 BAL 16 16 61 40 21 5 8.5 0 1 0 0 0
1999 BAL 16 11 38 34 4 2 10.0 3 0 0 0 0
2000 BAL 16 15 39 34 5 1 7.0 2 0 0 0 0
2001 BAL 16 14 67 46 21 4 15.0 4 1 0 0 0
2002 BAL 16 16 73 61 12 4 7.0 0 2 1 6 0
2003 BAL 15 14 58 43 15 2 8.5 3 1 0 0 0

[bricks]

probowl in 2003... how far is 'far far'...

I'm talking about him being past his prime. When he was REALLY REALLY good. You know when the Ravens had that dominant defense that made them win the SB. when at one time, he was the best pass-rushing LBer in the NFL right up there with Gildon. those years where he would get 11-15 sacks. Just because he made the probowl in 2003 that doesn't necessarily mean that year accounts for his best years. Jerome Woods made the probowl in 2003, and a lot of people want him cut right now. don't get me wrong, he could be servicable, and come at a cheap price. the Ravens cut him for a reason. He's like Jerome Woods, he has been battling injuries.

[Coach]

Plus, I think a change of sceneary could help him get re-energized, like Dalton for example.

[bricks]

Bull.

The guy has been successful both at OLB and at DE. Both positions on the Chiefs defense right now could use help. Peter Boulware could EASILY unseat Eric Hicks on the defensive line if there was no OLB spot open. If you think for one moment that Hicks brings more to the table than Peter Boulware on the DL, Ill have a double shot of whatever youre drinking, because it must be good.

Dude, I wanted Eric Hicks replaced more than anything. I like to see carlos hall replace him.

[Chief Faithful]

LB pass rush specialist, past his prime, often injured, best in 3-4 defense need not apply. We don't need another Gary Stills type that can't play special teams.

[The Bad Guy]

LB pass rush specialist, past his prime, often injured, best in 3-4 defense need not apply. We don't need another Gary Stills type that can't play special teams.

Wow. This is about as ignorant as you can get.

Boulware was primarily a 4-3 linebacker before Mike Nolan became the DC back in 2002. He's not a 3-4 guy. The Ravens ran the 3-4 for 2 years.

Often injured? He missed 1 game before last year's injury. 1 game in 6 years. How is this often injured?

Comparing him to Gary Stills is the ultimate. Show me one season Stills had 15 sacks.

He's 30 years old. That's hardly past his prime.

I guess I need to remind people regardless of what we've done so far this off-season, there is still ROOM TO ADD MORE QUALITY D PLAYERS.

Comparing him to Gary Stills might be the funniest thing I have ever read on this board - and that's saying a lot.

[chappy]

we need him signed yesterday and restructure barber and maz's contracts to get him.

[milkman]

Comparing him to Gary Stills is the ultimate. Show me one season Stills had 15 sacks.

At Stills current rate, he'll rack up a total of 15 career sacks in about 2010.

[Bowser]

At Stills current rate, he'll rack up a total of 15 career sacks in about 2010.

Impressive! 15 more than I'll ever have! And that would be good for me!

[Chiefaholic]

I seem to recall another "old man" that the Chiefs picked up and became a fan favorite by the name of Marvcus Patton. Even if Gun doesn't start Boulware at LB, he could make a freakin scary addition at DE in obvious passing situations.

JUst imagine having Boulware and Allen at DE, and Bell and Johnson at OLB in 3rd and long.....

[Buzzsaw]

Boulware > Bell

He also has playoff and Superbowl experience...that's an underrated trait and something the KC defense could definitely use. If the cap room is there, I'd pull the trigger while the Chiefs "window" is open.

[jspchief]

Boulware may have only missed 1 game before this season, but he's been constantly dinged his entire career. So the injury prone label isn't that far off.

That being said, he'd be worth a loof if he came at the right price. I just don't think we're spending any more money this year.

[Wallcrawler]

Yeah, the main problem here is that the Chiefs are really short on cap space right about now, I think i read somewhere that they have around 900k of cap space.

They wont get any immediate relief on that unless they are able to restructure someone's deal. Any other cap relief will not come until the June 1st cuts, and by then, Boulware could already be signed with another team.

I think he would be great to be brought in as a defensive end if they could get a good deal on him. Our front line has one guy that can get to the QB right now, and thats Jared Allen. Carlos Hall was a guy that could do that, but hasnt done it in 2 seasons, so hes kind of an unknown factor.

Boulware would be a solid veteran addition that could bring some leadership to the defensive line, as well as a viable pass rush threat opposite Jared Allen.


Gunther's system is based on attacking the quarterback and bringing intense pressure. The more guys that the Chiefs can get who are capable of bringing the heat on the quarterback, the better off they will be.

So what if he is 30 years old. This guy is still a great "pass rush specialist." Which is good.

I really hate how that term gets thrown around about every guy who cant stop the run and has a little speed. If you cant sack the QB, you arent a pass rush specialist either. Because if youre not getting there, youre not rushing him. Just because youre fast doesnt mean youre a pass rush specialist, it just means you make it to the point where you get blocked a little faster than the other guys do.

Gary Stills is a perfect example of this. Hes not a pass rush specialist. He doesnt get sacks. He's not a run stopper either. He's a mediocre defensive end with some speed that doesnt do a whole lot of anything that well. A specialist is someone that does one thing really well. What the hell is he special at? Running at the snap of the ball, and getting blocked until the QB releases the football?

Anyone can do that.

If Gary Stills is anything, hes a special teams specialist. At least he earned a pro bowl trip doing that.

Peter Boulware is a pass rush specialist, and has racked up double digit sack seasons on more than one occaision. Eric Hicks hasnt done that in about 7 years. Its time for someone else to get a crack at that end position.

Im betting that Boulware will be picked up pretty quickly though, and probably wont make it to the June 1st cut date, so KC may not ever get a good crack at him.

[Mecca]

Well Boulware is obviously a Gunther type of player. I like the idea simply because then they can put Bell in the middle and still have the rusher at OLB that Gun wants.

I think he'll get a contract similiar to what Chad Brown got so it's not to out of hand. Apparently there are some people in the Ravens brass that don't think he'll ever be a productive player again. He offered to restructure and they cut him anyway.

If Seattle has any money I'd worry about him going there his brother does play for that team.

[htismaqe]

I like the idea simply because then they can put Bell in the middle and still have the rusher at OLB that Gun wants.

Bingo.

[HC_Chief]

Oh man, signing Boulware would be HUGE. Perhaps Trent will restructure to make room this season?

[ROYC75]

A few questions I have ...

PB would be OK if he can still perform at a high level, can he ?

Will he sign at Vet. Min. ?

CP said we have no cap space left. We have to drop some people first, it won't be until after June 1st, will PB still be available ?

[bricks]

I don't know about you guys, I'd rather look and see how much we can get Ty Law for first. If we can get him for 1 yr deal, for cheap price, and, we can also get Peter Boulware for cheap price. Between those 2, who would you want? I think I'd go with Law.

[Chief Faithful]

Comparing him to Gary Stills might be the funniest thing I have ever read on this board - and that's saying a lot.

It is not a bad comparison. If Gary Stills played as many snaps as Boulware I suspect Stills numbers would be much more impressive.

My point is they both are undersized DE pass rushing specialists that don't play the run well. Neither pays particularly well in space. The difference is Stills is very good on Special Teams.

[Chief Faithful]

I don't know about you guys, I'd rather look and see how much we can get Ty Law for first. If we can get him for 1 yr deal, for cheap price, and, we can also get Peter Boulware for cheap price. Between those 2, who would you want? I think I'd go with Law.

I fully agree. Law is an every down player that plays both the pass and run equally well. Plus, a good secondary also helps the pass rush.

Derrick Thomas was a pass rush specialist who could take over a game. Boulware has all the weaknesses that Thomas had, but does not have the same explosiveness to take over a game. Gun always worked his schemes to take advantage of Thomas's pass rush ability while trying to mitigate his weakness so it could not be exploited. I'm not interested in seeing a revival of those schemes for a less explosive player like Boulware.

If Boulware came cheap then I'd be more interested.

[Chiefnj]

The difference is Stills is very good on Special Teams.

The difference is one guy has 7.5 sacks in his career and the other guy has 67.5. Those 60 sacks are the big difference.

[nascher]

Free DJ on blitzes and we have the sacks his speed is unmatched at LB.

[Ebolapox]

DO IT, CARL!!!!!

-EB-

[Big Slick]

from KFFL: According to a league source, the Ravens offered Boulware $2 million in salary and another $2 million in incentives.

If he turned that down, we're not getting him "cheap". At least not until enough time passes that he resets his demands, if that happens at all...

[milkman]

It is not a bad comparison. If Gary Stills played as many snaps as Boulware I suspect Stills numbers would be much more impressive.

My point is they both are undersized DE pass rushing specialists that don't play the run well. Neither pays particularly well in space. The difference is Stills is very good on Special Teams.

No the difference is that Gary Stills sucks on D. He has always sucked on D.
He will always suck on D.

8 sacks in 5 years is a level of suckage surpassed only by Bartee's 0 interceptions in 5 years.

[Wallcrawler]

Its not really going to be an issue I dont think.

The Chiefs wont have cap room until June 1, and Boulware is already drawing interest. The Browns are the first team to turn their attention to Boulware, requesting information on his health and what he expects to be paid.

I really dont see Boulware staying on the market until June 1.

[Logical]

I'm kind of suprised that the Ravens cut him loose before June 1.

And I wouldn't mind seeing him here.
Possibly in last year of contract. If so there is no advantage to waiting until June 1st.

[Wallcrawler]

Possibly in last year of contract. If so there is no advantage to waiting until June 1st.


If Im not mistaken, Boulware had another 4 years left on his deal, but was going to count for 6 million against the cap for each of them.

I heard that on Total Access.

[tk13]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2002273056_hawk13.html?syndication=rss

Team eyeing ex-Raven Boulware

By José Miguel Romero

Seattle Times staff reporter

The Seahawks are still looking to shore up their pass rush, and Peter Boulware is on their radar.

Boulware, older brother of Seahawks safety Michael Boulware, is on the market after being released by the Baltimore Ravens on Wednesday, and the Seahawks are believed to be one of several teams interested.

Peter Boulware, 30, is expected to visit team headquarters in Kirkland. The four-time Pro Bowler and former first-round draft choice is an eight-year veteran and Baltimore's all-time sacks leader, with 67 ½. But he didn't play last season because of a knee injury suffered late in 2003 and a toe injury suffered midway through last season during practice the week in which he was to make his return.

Before the injuries, Boulware had played in 111 straight regular-season games. Though he took and passed a physical in Baltimore on Wednesday and proclaimed his knee and toe to be fully healed — according to the Baltimore Sun — Boulware would have to take a physical as part of his visit with the Seahawks.

An outside linebacker in the Ravens' 3-4 defense, the 6-foot-4, 255-pound Boulware could be a defensive end for the Seahawks. Seattle added Bryce Fisher at defensive end in free agency and drafted similarly sized Jeb Huckeba in the fifth round, both to help the pass rush. But Boulware would bring his Pro Bowl credentials and proven sack ability from a quality defense if signed.

The Seahawks would have to create room under their salary cap to sign Boulware, who was released because he was due a high salary next season. That would likely involve releasing current players, because Boulware would probably command at least $2 million for a one-year contract.

The Cincinnati Bengals and Cleveland Browns are also interested in Boulware.

Note

• The Chicago Bears met with former Seahawks LB Anthony Simmons on Wednesday, but did not sign him. Simmons was released by Seattle in March.

[Nightfyre]

Its not really going to be an issue I dont think.

The Chiefs wont have cap room until June 1, and Boulware is already drawing interest. The Browns are the first team to turn their attention to Boulware, requesting information on his health and what he expects to be paid.

I really dont see Boulware staying on the market until June 1.
If his agent is smart he will. Teams will have more room under the cap, and thus be willing to spend more.