Can the libbies remind me again why we should trust the corrupt azz UN?

[CHIEF4EVER]

Iraq sought to influence U.N. through Moscow
By Justin Blum and Colum Lynch
Updated: 11:09 p.m. ET May 15, 2005

Top Kremlin operatives and a flamboyant Russian politician reaped millions of dollars in profits under the U.N. oil-for-food program by selling oil that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein allowed them to buy at a deep discount, a Senate investigation has concluded.advertisement
http://n3349ad.doubleclick.net/ad/N3349.msn/B1394462.35;abr=!ie4;abr=!ie5;dcadv=844751;sz=300x250;code=98315;ord=29215? (http://n3349ad.doubleclick.net/jump/N3349.msn/B1394462.35;abr=!ie4;abr=!ie5;dcadv=844751;sz=300x250;code=98315;ord=29215?)The allegations -- which also include descriptions of kickbacks paid to Hussein -- are detailed in hundreds of pages of reports and documents made public last night by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations in advance of a hearing tomorrow.The documents outline a trail of oil and money that leads directly from Iraq to the Kremlin and the former chief of staff to Russian President Vladimir Putin and former president Boris Yeltsin. The report said Iraq sought to influence and reward the Russian government because it sits on the powerful U.N. Security Council that oversaw sanctions against the Hussein government. Russia repeatedly sided with Iraq on issues before the Security Council.getCSS("3176006");



Yevgeniy V. Khorishko, a spokesman for the Russian Embassy in Washington, said it had received the Senate reports but could not yet discuss the findings. "We are looking into them," Khorishko said. "It's too early to give any comment."A CIA report last year said that Hussein granted top political leaders from around the world the opportunity to buy Iraqi oil at a discount. But the Senate report presents more detailed evidence, alleging that Russian officials took up the offer and profited handsomely under the program.In addition, the reports allege that Russian politician Vladimir Zhirinovsky, several Russian entities and a Houston-based oil trading company, Bayoil, "paid millions of dollars in illegal, under-the-table surcharges to the Hussein regime in connection with these oil transactions." U.S. officials say Hussein used illicit proceeds from oil sales to buy weapons, among other things.‘Curry political favor’
"This is the way Saddam used oil-for-food: to line his own pocket and curry political favor," said Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.), chairman of the investigations subcommittee that released the reports.Iraq's U.N. ambassador, Feisal Amin Istrabadi, said Russia was one of dozens of countries that took advantage of Iraq's oil wealth. "There were certainly commercial and political interests involved, and Russia behaved like any other state in looking after itself," he said.The documents were provided to reporters Friday on the condition that articles about them not be published until today.These are the latest allegations dealing with the scandal-plagued U.N. program established in December 1996 to provide Iraq a partial exemption from international economic sanctions, allowing it to sell oil to buy food, medicine and humanitarian goods.The program succeeded in limiting Hussein's acquisition of weapons of mass destruction and improved humanitarian conditions for ordinary Iraqis. But it provided an economic lifeline for Hussein, who siphoned off more than $2 billion in illicit profits by charging kickbacks to companies that traded with Baghdad, U.S. investigators have said. The problems have caused some U.S. lawmakers, including Coleman, to call for the ouster of U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan.While the latest disclosures do not directly implicate Annan, they are likely to contribute to the perception that he mismanaged the United Nations' largest humanitarian program.Under the program, Iraq bypassed traditional oil traders, giving influential businessmen, politicians, dignitaries and terrorist groups the right to buy millions of barrels of oil, U.S. investigators have said. These individuals would then sell their rights at a profit of 3 cents to 30 cents a barrel to oil traders supplying major refineries in the United States, Europe and Asia. Hussein eventually started charging a kickback of 10 cents to 50 cents a barrel, which was deposited in secret bank accounts.The Senate documents quote an unidentified senior official in Hussein's government as saying "the whole point" of providing the allocations to individuals was to allow them to profit personally.

[mlyonsd]

Is that Putin's wife or something?

[Iowanian]

lets see....

Russia profiting from UN Oil for Food and illegal contracts. Check.

Russia, aligning with other countries, with illegal contracts with iraq. Check.

Dense, Jaz, homey, Penn and jettio arrive to lambast Bush or post silly picture irrelevant to conversation. status Pending.

[CHIEF4EVER]

This is the same corrupt UN Security Council that the libs would have us go to on bent knee to ASK PERMISSION to defend ourselves. We need to withdraw from this corrupt, toothless and irrelevant "organization" ASAP. What a waste of time and money.

[Loki]

you must be a racist if you mention kofi annan. he's only a black man
from a tiny african nation...

:rolleyes:

[Baby Lee]

you must be a racist if you mention kofi annan. he's only a black man
from a tiny african nation...

:rolleyes:
ROFL - aren't the Russkies the examplars for 'Caucasian?'

[Mr. Kotter]

How DARE you question the integrity of the United Nations, and impugn the actions of a black man--you racist!

[Frankie]

Can the libbies remind me again why we should trust the corrupt azz UN?.
For the same reason cons trust corrupt azz big corporations?

[Mr. Kotter]

For the same reason cons trust corrupt azz big corporations?

Except we can indict and charge and hold them accountable when one can make a case; with the UN, apparently they are above it all.

[CHIEF4EVER]

Except we can indict and charge and hold them accountable when one can make a case; with the UN, apparently they are above it all.
Now, you are 2 minutes ahead of me. :banghead:

[the Talking Can]

Reagan dealt millions to Sadaam, and took him off the State Sponsers of Terrorism list....and not one of you hypocrites gave a crap.

American corporations have made billions doing business with Iraq and Iran, an not one of you hypocrites has uttered a peep.

The Bush family has made millions with the House of Saud who fund fundamentalist madrassas around the globe. And yup, nothing from you cowards.


You won't hold your elected leaders or citizens to any standard of honesty, why the hell would you care what anyone else does?

Save your fake outrage, you phony bastards.

[Iowanian]

Hindsight is a great thing, eh Can

Reagan was fighting with Iran at the time. You may recall them holding a horde of American hostages.

What year was Great Grandpa Bush dealing with the Saudis? When did the Madrasas start being funded by Saudis? thats right. Take another hit from that DU doobie.

Save your fake outrage towards Standard of Honesty, when you and others supported Clinton when he Committed Purgery.

[Mr. Kotter]

Reagan dealt millions to Sadaam, and took him off the State Sponsers of Terrorism list....and not one of you hypocrites gave a crap.

American corporations have made billions doing business with Iraq and Iran, an not one of you hypocrites has uttered a peep.

The Bush family has made millions with the House of Saud who fund fundamentalist madrassas around the globe. And yup, nothing from you cowards.


You won't hold your elected leaders or citizens to any standard of honesty, why the hell would you care what anyone else does?

Save your fake outrage, you phony bastards.

Your head is gonna explode soon, TC.... :shake:

[CHIEF4EVER]

Reagan dealt millions to Sadaam, and took him off the State Sponsers of Terrorism list....and not one of you hypocrites gave a crap.

American corporations have made billions doing business with Iraq and Iran, an not one of you hypocrites has uttered a peep.

The Bush family has made millions with the House of Saud who fund fundamentalist madrassas around the globe. And yup, nothing from you cowards.


You won't hold your elected leaders or citizens to any standard of honesty, why the hell would you care what anyone else does?

Save your fake outrage, you phony bastards.

Reagan WON the Cold War while I was an Infantry soldier.

American corporations made billions (unsupported hyperbole) while these countries weren't invading helpless smaller countries and sponsoring terrorists. The same types of terrorists who destroyed and murdered in the name of Islam.

The Bush family made millions dealing with the House of Saud? (more unsupported hyperbole). Proof please?

[Baby Lee]

Reagan dealt millions to Sadaam, and took him off the State Sponsers of Terrorism list....and not one of you hypocrites gave a crap.
1. Yeah, I was too busy being a F*CKING KID!!!
2. I've evidently seriously undrestimated how long Chiefsplanet.com has been around.

[Loki]

Except we can indict and charge and hold them accountable when one can make a case; with the UN, apparently they are above it all.

ouch...

[Frankie]

Reagan dealt millions to Sadaam, and took him off the State Sponsers of Terrorism list....and not one of you hypocrites gave a crap.

American corporations have made billions doing business with Iraq and Iran, an not one of you hypocrites has uttered a peep.

The Bush family has made millions with the House of Saud who fund fundamentalist madrassas around the globe. And yup, nothing from you cowards.


You won't hold your elected leaders or citizens to any standard of honesty, why the hell would you care what anyone else does?

Save your fake outrage, you phony bastards.

Angry but true.
:thumb:

[Laz]

is the U.N. anymore corrupt than our own government?






lazarus
~can't really trust any of them, can we? :shrug: ~

[RaiderH8r]

1. Yeah, I was too busy being a F*CKING KID!!!
2. I've evidently seriously undrestimated how long Chiefsplanet.com has been around.
Al Gore started it when he invented the internet. :)

[Mr. Kotter]

is the U.N. anymore corrupt than our own government?



Yes. It's not even close.

[SBK]

Reagan dealt millions to Sadaam, and took him off the State Sponsers of Terrorism list....and not one of you hypocrites gave a crap.

American corporations have made billions doing business with Iraq and Iran, an not one of you hypocrites has uttered a peep.

The Bush family has made millions with the House of Saud who fund fundamentalist madrassas around the globe. And yup, nothing from you cowards.


You won't hold your elected leaders or citizens to any standard of honesty, why the hell would you care what anyone else does?

Save your fake outrage, you phony bastards.

F 9/11, THE most important movie ever made. ROFL

[homey]

Al Gore started it when he invented the internet. :)

THE INTERNET??? THE INTERNET??? THE INTERNET!!!

http://www.c-span.org/questions/images/delay_160.jpg

[Simplex3]

F 9/11, THE most important movie ever made. ROFL
ROFL

[Logical]

Serious question, what major liberal has said we should trust the UN? Provide a link please. Many liberals want us to continue to participate in the UN but I am serious when I say I do not know of any advocating placing our trust in the UN.

[Donger]

Serious question, what major liberal has said we should trust the UN? Provide a link please. Many liberals want us to continue to participate in the UN but I am serious when I say I do not know of any advocating placing our trust in the UN.

"But if and when you do it, Jim, you've got to do it in a way that passes the, the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people, understand fully why you're doing what you're doing, and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons.

[Logical]

Yes. It's not even close.

Well when you say it is not even close, I think you might be exagerating a little bit. There is a ton of corruption at all levels of the US government on both the liberal and conservative sides of the spectrum.

[Logical]

Donger,

I know that quote well, I hated that quote as much as anyone. However it does not say UN, it says global test. Put another way he was saying "is it in the best interest of the entire world". A crap philosophy IMO, but not the same as the UN.

[Mr. Kotter]

Well when you say it is not even close, I think you might be exagerating a little bit. There is a ton of corruption at all levels of the US government on both the liberal and conservative sides of the spectrum.

Corruption? Yes. A "ton of corruption?" Not hardly. They can't get away with it as easily anymore. Too many watchdogs.

[Logical]

Corruption? Yes. A "ton of corruption?" Not hardly. They can't get away with it as easily anymore. Too many watchdogs.

I wonder if that is really true? Lets hope so, course I consider pork in the budget a form of corruption so our standards probably differ.

[Mr. Kotter]

Serious question, what major liberal has said we should trust the UN? Provide a link please. Many liberals want us to continue to participate in the UN but I am serious when I say I do not know of any advocating placing our trust in the UN.

Most good Democrats know not to OPENLY advocate on behalf of the UN; but their actions clearly indicate "support."

For example, their opposition and theatrics to John Bolton. Gosh, he's a hard-nosed, tough, reform minded candidate. We can't have that, right? :shake:

[Mr. Kotter]

I wonder if that is really true? Lets hope so, course I consider pork in the budget a form of corruption so our standards probably differ.

Pork has been, always will be part of the "game." I don't like it either. I don't think it qualifies as "corruption" since it's been the system forever.

[Logical]

Pork has been, always will be part of the "game." I don't like it either. I don't think it qualifies as "corruption" since it's been the system forever.
All I was doing is pointing out our standards for corruption likely differ. The way the UN acts is historically common as well, so I guess that makes their actions just as acceptable?

[Mr. Kotter]

All I was doing is pointing out our standards for corruption likely differ. The way the UN acts is historically common as well, so I guess that makes their actions just as acceptable?

Not in my mind.

[Logical]

Not in my mind.Hey I hate the UN as much as anyone, but I try to call a club a club.

[Mr. Kotter]

Hey I hate the UN as much as anyone, but I try to call a club a club.

I know.

I am just much more cynical about the UN, than I am our own Government.

[penchief]

lets see....

Russia profiting from UN Oil for Food and illegal contracts. Check.

Russia, aligning with other countries, with illegal contracts with iraq. Check.

Dense, Jaz, homey, Penn and jettio arrive to lambast Bush or post silly picture irrelevant to conversation. status Pending.

First, I don't ever recall saying that we should blindly trust anyone, let alone the UN. I do believe that we should honestly invest in the mission of the UN. As should all UN members.

Trust is a two-way street. Our integrity at the UN is not much better because of Neocon efforts to bullshit the UN. It's kinda' like the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it?

Let's also not forget that our precious Cheneyburton has done it's best to profit from Mideast oil in ways slightly outside the law of our land. In fact, wasn't it Haliburton under Cheney's guidance that had business dealings with Saddam's Iraq during the 90's? Didn't I hear something about Cheney's Haliburton having business dealings with Iran outside our government's consent?

While some of us are not content with the conduct of some in the UN, we also recognize that our own integrity could use a little work, as well. So, it's not that I disagree with those who criticize the UN, it's that I think it's somewhat shortsighted to criticize members of an institution that we belong to for behaving much in the same way we ourselves have behaved.

[Reaper16]

First, I don't ever recall saying that we should blindly trust anyone, let alone the UN. I do believe that we should honestly invest in the mission of the UN. As should all UN members.

Trust is a two-way street. Our integrity at the UN is not much better because of Neocon efforts to bullshit the UN. It's kinda' like the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it?

Let's also not forget that our precious Cheneyburton has done it's best to profit from Mideast oil in ways slightly outside the law of our land. In fact, wasn't it Haliburton under Cheney's guidance that had business dealings with Saddam's Iraq during the 90's? Didn't I hear something about Cheney's Haliburton having business dealings with Iran outside our government's consent?

While some of us are not content with the conduct of some in the UN, we also recognize that our own integrity could use a little work, as well. So, it's not that I disagree with those who criticize the UN, it's that I think it's somewhat shortsighted to criticize members of an institution that we belong to for behaving much in the same way we ourselves have behaved.

In summation: All politicans suck.

[petegz28]

Reagan dealt millions to Sadaam, and took him off the State Sponsers of Terrorism list....and not one of you hypocrites gave a crap.

American corporations have made billions doing business with Iraq and Iran, an not one of you hypocrites has uttered a peep.

The Bush family has made millions with the House of Saud who fund fundamentalist madrassas around the globe. And yup, nothing from you cowards.


You won't hold your elected leaders or citizens to any standard of honesty, why the hell would you care what anyone else does?

Save your fake outrage, you phony bastards.


Oh and you were so enraged about Reagan right? Sadaam was fighting Iran then but don't let that get in the way of your rant. Guess we shouldn't of sided with Russia in WWII then huh? And for you to sit there and call someone a coward shows you are nothing more than full of liberal crap. Talk abotu fake outrage...have you read any of your posts lately? Bottom line...people voted Bush won AGAIN. Get over it.

[SBK]

I am a dumbass and a liar.

Yup.

[Logical]

I know.

I am just much more cynical about the UN, than I am our own Government.

There is far more to be cynical about when it comes to the UN than just corruption. That is the point I should be making I guess. Corruption in the UN is probably not much worse than it is in the US government. It is all the other negatives that the UN represents that make it a bad thing for the US to participate in. The UN is not in the best interest of the US and our people. That is the reason the UN should be dumped. If the UN was a good thing for the US then I would say fix it, instead I say leave it. It is a nothing organization with the US.

[Cochise]

Wow it only took us 11 posts to get from "UN corruption" to "Reagan was teh debbil". We have this down to a science.

[Logical]

Wow it only took us 11 posts to get from "UN corruption" to "Reagan was teh debbil". We have this down to a science.

Speaking of that, I wonder how many people remember when Reagan was at the height of his popularity the talk of him being the anti-christ. Six letters in his first, middle and last names were part of the creation of this bizarre notion. Ronald Wilson Reagan

[Simplex3]

Speaking of that, I wonder how many people remember when Reagan was at the height of his popularity the talk of him being the anti-christ. Six letters in his first, middle and last names were part of the creation of this bizarre notion. Ronald Wilson Reagan
They weren't part of the creation, they were part of the rational behind the creation. Same basic thing happens a lot. Let's take GW for instance. He MUST be portrayed as evil, and it seems the haters are getting less imaginative through the years. Rather than put in the effort to find something clever like the 666=Reagan thing they went straight for the low hanging fruit: the Bush-monkey-Hitler deal.

Speaking of, does anyone else think that there are more "Hitler is alive" people these days than "Elvis is alive" people?

[homey]

We all knew knew about the oil for food thing, even our government knew. Something that should be asked though (I know, there goes another liberal thinking and asking questions, right?) is why don't we investigate the $8.8 Billion dollars we can't account for in Iraq? There some shady business that goes along with that yet Republicans seem to be content with letting our tax dollars just disappear.

[Radar Chief]

We all knew knew about the oil for food thing, even our government knew. Something that should be asked though (I know, there goes another liberal thinking and asking questions, right?)

Actually I think that’d be a first, particularly from you, homey.

is why don't we investigate the $8.8 Billion dollars we can't account for in Iraq? There some shady business that goes along with that yet Republicans seem to be content with letting our tax dollars just disappear.

I’d be interested in where that money went also, but am not willing to give the UN a pass because of it.
Course, you whiney liberals seem more interested in play’n this moral equivalency game than getting to the source of problems, since we’re making broad generalizations and all.

[Cochise]

Speaking of that, I wonder how many people remember when Reagan was at the height of his popularity the talk of him being the anti-christ. Six letters in his first, middle and last names were part of the creation of this bizarre notion. Ronald Wilson Reagan

You can rig that up with just about anyone's name.

Some people think that when the Bible says that the 'number of his name' is 666, it means that you can add up the numer of the letters in their name and you will get 666. I'm not exactly sure why the author of Revelation would have chosen that number if it's what they added up to in English, given that his readers probably only spoke Aramaic, Greek, or Hebrew, but there are some people who think that. Others claim that the Hebrew alphabet is what should be used to derive the numbers, but it's all pretty kooky if you ask me.

For example, there is a prominent doomsday group out there who holds that Prince Charles is the anti-christ, they could be googled up very easily. It was largely based on the fact that they could use numerology to determine that "PRINCE CHARLES OF WALES" added up to 666. Well, if you add titles and change the phrasing of a persons name, then you could make a lot of people add up to that :rolleyes:.

There are a lot of other examples, but among dispensational sects, there is great suspicion of many world leaders such as the latest pope, or european heads of state (most of them suspect the EU of being the supposed 10 nation confederation and reason that he would be from Europe)

Personally, I think that it's an error to take these writings and try to make them fit the latest newspaper page.

[Frankie]

We all knew knew about the oil for food thing, even our government knew. Something that should be asked though (I know, there goes another liberal thinking and asking questions, right?) is why don't we investigate the $8.8 Billion dollars we can't account for in Iraq? There some shady business that goes along with that yet Republicans seem to be content with letting our tax dollars just disappear.

Excellent post. :clap:
Rep.

[Duck Dog]

We all knew knew about the oil for food thing, even our government knew. Something that should be asked though (I know, there goes another liberal thinking and asking questions, right?) is why don't we investigate the $8.8 Billion dollars we can't account for in Iraq? There some shady business that goes along with that yet Republicans seem to be content with letting our tax dollars just disappear.

We all knew about it? When did 'we' all hear about it first?