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ZootedGranny
05-16-2005, 11:05 PM
Sony and Microsoft both had their press conferences at E3 tonight.

The PS3 design was shown:
http://www.jaygoland.com/anothercastle/ps3-2.jpg
http://img96.echo.cx/img96/6636/ps37wu.jpg
http://img174.echo.cx/img174/6886/2a00029vr.jpg
As well as the HORRIBLE controller design:
http://img153.echo.cx/img153/3734/controller4uf.jpg

Sony's started out as usual, a presentation that was mainly boring technical features, a Sony E3 staple. Then they showed the games. Nearly every single game was jaw dropping, with my favorite being a sequel to Killzone that featured ridiculous animation and graphics so detailed it looked like CGI renders. It was claimed that the video was real time.

Microsoft followed it up with a terrible presentation full of corny jokes, XXXXXXTREEEEEMMMMMMMMEEEEEEE stereotypical scenes (ie people breakdancing for no reason) and a damn appearance by Robert Gallery.

Aside from a couple of games (Gears of War & NBA 2k6), most of the games were lackluster. The main selling point of the conference was expanded Xbox Live features, like a virtual marketplace to sell online goods, and a streamlined friends list. It all looked very nice.

Still getting both consoles at launch, but Sony's videos were truly next level. If only their console didn't look like a futuristic Foreman grill and their controller didn't look like a robotic boomerang dildo.

KCWolfman
05-16-2005, 11:12 PM
Did Xena design that controller?

More importantly, is the console backward compatible for 1 and 2 games?

big nasty kcnut
05-16-2005, 11:14 PM
PS3 going to be off the ****ing hook.

Ultra Peanut
05-16-2005, 11:14 PM
It looks like a printer. Did Xena design that controller?ROFL

Count Zarth
05-16-2005, 11:15 PM
Did Xena design that controller?

More importantly, is the console backward compatible for 1 and 2 games?

Only if Xena makes double ended dildos.

KCWolfman
05-16-2005, 11:16 PM
Only if Xena makes double ended dildos.
There was the double-entendre I was using.

I guess I should have said "deer killer"? ;)

Ultra Peanut
05-16-2005, 11:17 PM
If only their console didn't look like a futuristic Foreman grillWeird. Didn't Zach float the idea of an XBox with a Foreman grill attached about a week ago?

KCWolfman
05-16-2005, 11:18 PM
Weird. Didn't Zach float the idea of an XBox with a Foreman grill attached about a week ago?
It looks more like a laminator to me.

wildcat09
05-16-2005, 11:18 PM
how much are these things going to cost?

ZootedGranny
05-16-2005, 11:18 PM
The PS3 is backward compatible with PS1 and PS2 games, the Xbox 360 is BC with only a handful of Xbox 1 games. It's said that the 360 will run certain games off an emulator, thus limiting the library.

As for price, nothing has been set in stone for either console, but I doubt either is less than $300 at launch.

KCWolfman
05-16-2005, 11:19 PM
how much are these things going to cost?
1 billion dollars.

http://www.austinpowers.com/objects/images/evilpinky_thumbnail.jpg

Ultra Peanut
05-16-2005, 11:20 PM
1 billion dollars.

http://www.austinpowers.com/objects/images/evilpinky_thumbnail.jpgWhy ask for billions when we can ask for... millions?

:Pinky:

Reaper16
05-16-2005, 11:27 PM
It better be backwards compatible with a f***ing Dual Shock.

KCWolfman
05-16-2005, 11:28 PM
It better be backwards compatible with a f***ing Dual Shock.
DUR!!!!

http://img153.echo.cx/img153/3734/controller4uf.jpg

Both women should receive plenty of shock.

Ultra Peanut
05-16-2005, 11:31 PM
It better be backwards compatible with a f***ing Dual Shock.Indeed.


Kyou wrote:
Why do I get a feeling that these 7 controllers are in the same vein as the "360 is more than 3!" logic.

The dick waving between Sony and Microsoft is getting out of hand.

Zonkytonkman wrote:
Each Xbox 360 comes bundeled with...... ANOTHER XBOX 360!

Kyou wrote:
"Why use the PS3's pussy one power plug, when you can use the Xbox 360's totally rad and awesome NINE power plugs!"ROFL

Count Zarth
05-16-2005, 11:32 PM
1 billion dollars.

http://www.austinpowers.com/objects/images/evilpinky_thumbnail.jpg

Lowbrow pop culture humor! What is this! Who are you and what have you done with KCWolfman!

Ultra Peanut
05-16-2005, 11:36 PM
DUR!!!!

http://img153.echo.cx/img153/3734/controller4uf.jpg

Both women should receive plenty of shock.Dual... Shock. Ohhh. I think you just won the thread.

ZootedGranny
05-17-2005, 02:15 AM
Pic of the Nintendo Revolution:

http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/615/615008/img_2788923.html

RedDread
05-17-2005, 02:25 AM
Pic of the Nintendo Revolution:

http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/615/615008/img_2788923.html


who's nintendo? :)

Cochise
05-17-2005, 05:27 AM
Nintendo still makes video games?

Ultra Peanut
05-17-2005, 05:31 AM
Nintendo still makes video games?Well, duh. Who do you think made such bestsellers as Grand Theft Auto III, HALO, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, and Jet Set Radio Future?

Pants
05-17-2005, 05:33 AM
Both consoles looks smooth. I'm not going to judge the cunts until I see what they feel like.

BigChiefFan
05-17-2005, 07:16 AM
You should watch the Sony Press conference-the PS3 looks amazing. This truly is next generation. What an impressive machine. I can't wait until spring of 2006.

HC_Chief
05-17-2005, 08:08 AM
Killzone 2 screen shot (in-game!)

<img src="http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/killzone_ps3.jpg">

Pants
05-17-2005, 08:38 AM
Killzone 2 screen shot (in-game!)



I watched that video and it was clearly a scripted cutscene (scripted events and no interface at all: no crosshairs, ammo/health bar, etc). Now, I'm not saying that's not what it's going to look like in game, just that the screen shot and the video were definatelly not "in-game". It looked astonishing, but I don't think the frist generation of games will be that good on either console. I hope I'm wrong.

Donger
05-17-2005, 08:55 AM
You know, the last game console I played was Nintendo 64, I think. With my kids getting older, I'll probably get this Playstation thing. Most people hook them up to their TVs, not a monitor, yes?

Lzen
05-17-2005, 10:36 AM
You know, the last game console I played was Nintendo 64, I think. With my kids getting older, I'll probably get this Playstation thing. Most people hook them up to their TVs, not a monitor, yes?

Correct.

Donger
05-17-2005, 10:38 AM
Correct.

So the graphics are limited to the resolution of a TV? Yuck. I guess HDTV would help.

Reaper16
05-17-2005, 10:39 AM
Nintendo still makes video games?

Its apparant that you hate video games.

Pants
05-17-2005, 10:40 AM
So the graphics are limited to the resolution of a TV? Yuck. I guess HDTV would help.

Or get a monitor. The graphics aren't limited to the TV resolution, you can still have amazing graphics on a standard TV, it just wont be as crisp. Killswitch 2 will look better on a shitty TV than Killswitch on a high end screen.

HC_Chief
05-17-2005, 10:41 AM
I can't wait to see these graphics on my WS65411 :D

Donger
05-17-2005, 10:42 AM
Or get a monitor. The graphics aren't limited to the TV resolution, you can still have amazing graphics on a standard TV, it just wont be as crisp. Killswitch 2 will look better on a shitty TV than Killswitch on a high end screen.

I'm not sure. I don't think I'd be able to kiss my kids if I got them a monitor.

BigChiefFan
05-17-2005, 10:42 AM
I watched that video and it was clearly a scripted cutscene (scripted events and no interface at all: no crosshairs, ammo/health bar, etc). Now, I'm not saying that's not what it's going to look like in game, just that the screen shot and the video were definatelly not "in-game". It looked astonishing, but I don't think the frist generation of games will be that good on either console. I hope I'm wrong.
Not to pick a fight, but they repeated over and over that this is REAL-TIME graphics. One of the Sony Guys said the the PS3 is a 120 times more powerful than a pentium 4 processor. I was awe-struck at where they are taking the next generation console. I truly believe they haven't stratched the surface with all this badboy is going to do. The Cell technology is definitely nothing we have very seen before and I'm surprised you are skeptical..

HC_Chief
05-17-2005, 10:44 AM
Not to pick a fight, but they repeated over and over that this is REAL-TIME graphics. One of the Sony Guys said the the PS3 is a 120 times more powerful than a pentium 4 processor. I was awe-struck at where they are taking the next generation console. I truly believe they haven't stratched the surface with all this badboy is going to do. The Cell technology is definitely nothing we have very seen before and I'm surprised you are skeptical..

Actually, the Cell processor reminds me a lot of the Itanium chip. It's a radical shift form x86 architecture.

BigChiefFan
05-17-2005, 10:49 AM
Actually, the Cell processor reminds me a lot of the Itanium chip. It's a radical shift form x86 architecture.
I don't know anything about an Itanium chip, but I believed he used the used Pentium 4 reference because it's a household name so most would be able to comprehend the power of the PS3.

Reaper16
05-17-2005, 10:53 AM
Not to pick a fight, but they repeated over and over that this is REAL-TIME graphics. One of the Sony Guys said the the PS3 is a 120 times more powerful than a pentium 4 processor. I was awe-struck at where they are taking the next generation console. I truly believe they haven't stratched the surface with all this badboy is going to do. The Cell technology is definitely nothing we have very seen before and I'm surprised you are skeptical..


Sort of. That wasn't in-game footage. That was a cutscene done with an anticipated in-game engine. It's basially in-game, but not technically. Its most definately not CG or anything, the actual in-game Killswitch 2 should look much like that.

Pants
05-17-2005, 10:55 AM
Not to pick a fight, but they repeated over and over that this is REAL-TIME graphics. One of the Sony Guys said the the PS3 is a 120 times more powerful than a pentium 4 processor. I was awe-struck at where they are taking the next generation console. I truly believe they haven't stratched the surface with all this badboy is going to do. The Cell technology is definitely nothing we have very seen before and I'm surprised you are skeptical..

That would be awesome. I'll wait and see before I get excited though. Also, what's "real time" graphics?

BigChiefFan
05-17-2005, 10:56 AM
Updated: 01:28 AM EDT
Game Expo-Sony to launch PlayStation 3 in 2006
By Daisuke Wakabayashi and Yukari Iwatani Kane, Reuters

LOS ANGELES, May 16 (Reuters) - Sony Corp. unveiled its PlayStation 3 video game console on Monday and pledged that its high-definition graphics and broadband connectivity would ensure its spot atop the $10 billion a year video game industry.

The electronics and entertainment conglomerate said the new machine, due for launch in the spring of 2006, will feature a graphics chip with 300 million transistors.

That is more than the combined processing power of the current-generation Microsoft Corp. Xbox, Nintendo Co. Ltd. Game Cube and the PlayStation 2 combined.

Having led the worldwide console gaming market for the last decade, Sony is counting on the new machine to dominate in all aspects of networked home entertainment -- games, movies, music and more.

"PS3 truly is the system to be placed in the center of living rooms in homes around the world," Ken Kutaragi, the head of Sony's game unit, said at a press event ahead of the start of the E3 annual industry trade show.

Kutaragi, known as 'the father of the PlayStation', beamed as he stood next to a display of the curved PS3 offered in three colors -- black, silver and white -- and a boomerang-shaped game controller.

Sony said the PS3 would have twice the processing speed of the Xbox 360, the console Microsoft is expected to release in November with up to 40 software titles.

"Sony's console looked like a next-generation game machine and in comparison to the graphics of the PS3, Microsoft's looked like Xbox 1.5," said Takashi Oya, analyst at Deutsche Bank.

But speed in games is often as much a function of the way the games are written as it is the capacity of the hardware, and Sony's drive to leapfrog the Xbox 360 technology comes as the Japanese electronics giant concedes what could be a valuable several-month head start to Microsoft.

CELL-POWERED

The PS3 is powered by the "Cell" chip, which aims to be significantly more powerful than Intel Corp.'s Pentium 4, the most common chips for today's PCs, and any other existing game machine processors.

Sony developed the microprocessor with International Business Machines Corp. and Toshiba Corp. and its super-powerful "RSX" graphics chip with Nvidia Corp.

With a built-in Ethernet port for high-speed Internet access, PlayStation 3 allows gamers to surf the Web while playing games.

"In addition to games, PS3 will, of course, be able to perform non-gaming functions such as digital music, movies and photographs even during game play," said Kutaragi.

The PS3 will feature Blu-ray, a next-generation DVD format backed by Sony. Blue-ray discs have far more capacity than current discs but their commercial development has been bogged down in industry standards debates reminiscent of Sony's lost battle in the 80's to promote its Betamax videotape standard.

It supports the simultaneous use of up to seven control pads, which can connect wirelessly via the Bluetooth standard to the console.

A patent suit over the PlayStation 2's controllers, in which Sony was ordered to halt U.S. sales of its consoles and pay nearly $91 million infringement damages to a California company, would have no impact on PS3, analysts said, because the new machine was so completely different from the old one.

Sony has said it plans to appeal the March decision.

PS3 also features wireless Internet access, a removable small hard drive, and will be compatible with games from the earlier PlayStations. The console is about the size of a standard mid-size laptop computer.

Sony's PS2 seized control of the current generation of game consoles by beating Microsoft and Nintendo to market by about a year, winning over many game publishers to secure exclusive rights or initial releases to popular titles.

Game publishers Electronic Arts Inc. and Square Enix Co. Ltd. both said they plan to fully support PS3. EA is the world's largest video game publisher and its full support is crucial to the success of any console.

A number of details about the PS3 are yet to be announced, including the price of the console and the number of games that will be available at launch.

(Additional reporting by Ben Berkowitz)


05/17/05 01:25 ET

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Pants
05-17-2005, 11:00 AM
Check this link out:

http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-x?tag=boxcar_all_features_headline

BigChiefFan
05-17-2005, 11:05 AM
That would be awesome. I'll wait and see before I get excited though. Also, what's "real time" graphics?
REAL-TIME graphics are the same graphics as watching a movie. Sony's PS3 has reached this technology. The processor in the PS3 can process moves equal to that of movie quality. It may have been a cutscene for demonstrating, but it was also the technology the game developers have to work with. It's a break through. They stated the PS3 framerate will be like watching a movie with a breakthrough in shading technology.

In addition, it also has HD quality. Can you imagine playing games in HD?
It has wireless remotes. Can play up to 7 players at a time, plays DVDs, CDs, all of the PS library, Blu-ray disc(which hold up to 6 times more capacity than DVDs). Built-in Wi-Fi. Built in ethernet. 6 USB ports and more .The Cell is just getting started it's a bad mo-fo.

Pants
05-17-2005, 11:10 AM
REAL-TIME graphics are the same graphics as watching a movie. Sony's PS3 has reached this technology. The processor in the PS3 can process moves equal to that of movie quality. It may have been a cutscene for demonstrating, but it was also the technology the game developers have to work with. It's a break through. They stated the PS3 framerate will be like watching a movie with a breakthrough in shading technology.

In addition, it also has HD quality. Can you imagine playing games in HD?
It has wireless remotes. Can play up to 7 players at a time, plays DVDs, CDs, all of the PS library, Blu-ray disc(which hold up to 6 times more capacity than DVDs). Built-in Wi-Fi. Built in ethernet. 6 USB ports and more .The Cell is just getting started it's a bad mo-fo.

1. Actually, it's more about the video card than the processor when it comes to the graphics. You can have all the processor power in the world and you wouldn't be able to do anything without a video card.

2. Old Xbox has the HD capability - nothing new.

3. I'm pretty sure all Next Gen systems will have wireless cunts (not sure about Revolution)

4. ROFL When will you ever use 7 controllers on one system? How big will your TV have to be?

AeroSquid
05-17-2005, 11:32 AM
Actually, the Cell processor reminds me a lot of the Itanium chip. It's a radical shift form x86 architecture.


gee i hope it's better than that colossal flop lol How do you think the cell will compare to 4 dual core opterons?



In addition, it also has HD quality. Can you imagine playing games in HD?


yeah i can... I already play games in resolutions surpassing HDTV on my PC ;)


edit: AMD has their own cell processor in the works (Intel probably does too)

HC_Chief
05-17-2005, 12:05 PM
gee i hope it's better than that colossal flop lol How do you think the cell will compare to 4 dual core opterons

Market share for the Itanium is irrelevant; fact of the matter is it was the first real shift from x86 architecture. Xeon, P4, AMD... all based on a different core.

Lzen
05-17-2005, 12:06 PM
3. I'm pretty sure all Next Gen systems will have wireless cunts (not sure about Revolution)


According to that article you posted, the PS3 comes with wireless network while Xbox 360's will cost xtra. I can't wait to find out the price on this PS3.

HC_Chief
05-17-2005, 12:13 PM
ntel's Itanium chip marks a new direction in the world of CPUs. Unlike earlier CISC processors such as the x86 and RISC designs such as the Sun Sparc, the Itanium is a Very Long Instruction Word (VLIW) processor. VLIW processors read instruction strings, or "words" that are composed of multiple instructions. Several specialized single-purpose processors have used the VLIW architecture, but the Itanium chip marks its first use in a general-purpose processor.

Moving the Itanium away from the x86 architecture eliminates the floating-point weaknesses that have long plagued the x86 family. This difference lets the Itanium deliver better performance than the x86—but at the cost of compatibility. The Itanium can run 32-bit x86 programs only in a performance-challenged emulation mode. In design, the Itanium more closely resembles a high-end RISC processor than it does an x86 predecessor. However, one big difference between the Itanium and the current technology that modern RISC processors use is the Itanium's use of enhanced parallel-processing techniques. Don't confuse this type of parallel processing with the parallel processing that multiple-processor SMP systems such as the Xeon offer. The Itanium's parallelism comes from the CPU's ability to process more than one instruction at a time—a task most RISC systems do poorly. Intel's name for this new parallel-processing design is Explicitly Parallel Instruction Computing (EPIC). Itanium's EPIC architecture can process up to six instructions in parallel per clock cycle. The ability to execute multiple instructions per cycle makes traditional speed measurements based solely on clock speed misleading for the Itanium processor.

Unlike the Pentium, the EPIC architecture removes the need for the CPU to perform complex, out-of-order processing to obtain speed optimizations. Instead, the job of parallelizing the machine instruction scheme falls to the compiler. A compiler reads in the program source code and creates executable instructions for the processor to perform. This means that the compiler must determine the dependencies of each instruction as well as which instructions should run in parallel. This switch of responsibilities promises to make the processors simpler without the need for an instruction scheduler or hidden registers. However, it also means that the CPU's efficiency largely depends on the compiler's ability to optimize code for parallel processing.

Another Itanium feature that's closely related to parallelism is called prediction. Prediction is a compiler-based technique of looking ahead to make more accurate predictions of which code branches the program will actually use. Today's processors, such as the Pentium, use branch prediction. In branch prediction, the processor spends part of its time performing calculations both for branches of related code that will be performed next and for unnecessary branches. The Itanium's compiler-based prediction lets it make better predictions about which branches the application will use, reducing unneeded calculations and letting the processor operate more efficiently.

Although the second-generation Itanium chip runs at a modest (by today's standards) 1GHz, the Itanium design is capable of 6 gigaflops (6 billion operations per second). The Itanium 2 has 32KB of on-chip Level 1 (L1) and 256KB of L2 cache, and it will be able to access up to 3MB of outboard L3 cache. It has 4 integer units, 2 floating-point units, and 328 registers to store numbers and instructions. The processor uses a new Slot M motherboard interface, and the system bus is 128 bits wide and runs at 400MHz. Intel builds the Itanium 2 using .18 micron die-set. (Essentially, the smaller the die-set, the better the performance.) Because it was designed with an eye toward the high-end supercomputing platform, the Itanium supports up to 512-way SMP servers.

For home-purpose computing, the Itanium is useless. Its designs are much 'grander' than "gee, I can really build a kickass gaming machine!". The Itanium is true 'next-gen' architecture... at least, for the market outside the realm of supercomputing.

jarjar
05-17-2005, 12:38 PM
This is one fanboy ladden thread.

In any case, I'm curious if the PS3 controller will also come with a utility belt, a zipline and maybe some gas capsules?

HC_Chief
05-17-2005, 12:41 PM
This is one fanboy ladden thread.

In any case, I'm curious if the PS3 controller will also come with a utility belt, a zipline and maybe some gas capsules?

hehe, perhaps some shark repellant? :D

Wrasse
05-17-2005, 01:14 PM
Pic of the Nintendo Revolution:

http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/615/615008/img_2788923.html
Sweet.

I'll probably still get a PS3 but the big N always seems to be more revolutionary in gameplay advances...so I think a Nintendo Revolution is in my future.

** likes the compact size as well **

Ebolapox
05-17-2005, 01:42 PM
I'm digging the power behind ps3--as LONG as it's backloadable to ps1/2 games, I'll be aight

-EB-

htismaqe
05-17-2005, 01:56 PM
Being more powerful than the Pentium 4 is no big feat at all. Of course they compared it to the Pentium 4. Every casual gamer out there just went "ooh...ahhh". In reality, non-Intel processors have been around for quite some time. They're just often ungodly expensive.

And "true-HD" games are not all that awe-inspiring either. There are XBox games today that run in 420p, which isn't that much worse than 1080i. In fact, some media are already using 720p which is superior to 1080i.

AeroSquid
05-17-2005, 01:57 PM
Market share for the Itanium is irrelevant; fact of the matter is it was the first real shift from x86 architecture. Xeon, P4, AMD... all based on a different core.


i think it's relevant if you have Intel stock ;) I'm sure you didn't meant to leave SUN and Motorola out of the non x86 processor manufacturers. Let's not forget IBM, Digital or HP who have all made non x86 processors.

There are tens of mac users who use 'computers' everyday without x86 based processors :p

HC_Chief
05-17-2005, 02:11 PM
i think it's relevant if you have Intel stock ;) I'm sure you didn't meant to leave SUN and Motorola out of the non x86 processor manufacturers. Let's not forget IBM, Digital or HP who have all made non x86 processors.

There are tens of mac users who use 'computers' everyday without x86 based processors :p

You'll notice SUN's SPARC CPU was explicitly listed in that Itanium writeup I posted ;)

The Itanium is the first 'general-purpose' supercomputer processor on the market. Previous to Itanium, Cray was the only significant manufacturer of these processors. Sure, Motorola and Sun have delved into the market, but their offerings were specific. Their CPUs were designed for a very specific function. Itanium means to move the supercomputer CPU core into the x86/simple RISC (as you'd find in a MAC) realm.

The 'new' Itaniums are supposed to include a 32-bit subcore to get rid of that horrible emulation (many thanks to AMD for that!!!).

Again, the 'Cell' processor has much more in common with the Itanium than any x86 processor on the market.

Ultra Peanut
05-17-2005, 02:37 PM
This is one fanboy ladden thread.

In any case, I'm curious if the PS3 controller will also come with a utility belt, a zipline and maybe some gas capsules?ROFL

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050517/sce105.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050517/sce103.jpg

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/aaaallll/batarang.jpg" style="width: 461px; height: 521px; border: 0" alt="" />

AeroSquid
05-17-2005, 03:11 PM
You'll notice SUN's SPARC CPU was explicitly listed in that Itanium writeup I posted ;)

The Itanium is the first 'general-purpose' supercomputer processor on the market. Previous to Itanium, Cray was the only significant manufacturer of these processors. Sure, Motorola and Sun have delved into the market, but their offerings were specific. Their CPUs were designed for a very specific function. Itanium means to move the supercomputer CPU core into the x86/simple RISC (as you'd find in a MAC) realm.

The 'new' Itaniums are supposed to include a 32-bit subcore to get rid of that horrible emulation (many thanks to AMD for that!!!).

Again, the 'Cell' processor has much more in common with the Itanium than any x86 processor on the market.


lol i missed that in between lunch and getting back to work. I'm a gamer all the way so naturally i'm AMD all the way hehe. I think the best thing about the cell is it's scalibility, yet I would still rather have 4 dual core Opterons in my box than a cell. like i said tho... AMD all the way :)

eazyb81
05-17-2005, 03:42 PM
"Sony's console looked like a next-generation game machine and in comparison to the graphics of the PS3, Microsoft's looked like Xbox 1.5," said Takashi Oya, analyst at Deutsche Bank.

:hmmm:

I owned the original Playstation, but I decided to get an XBox instead of the Playstation 2. My Xbox stopped working after about 2 years, while my Playstation lasted a long time, so I think I might sway back to Sony this time around.

Also, it seems like Microsoft is focusing on the FPS market more then anything else (I hate FPS games), while Sony focuses on a broader market. I will gladly give up Halo for more Grand Theft Auto-type games.

Pants
05-17-2005, 04:38 PM
According to that article you posted, the PS3 comes with wireless network while Xbox 360's will cost xtra. I can't wait to find out the price on this PS3.

I was talking about the controllers.

Cochise
05-17-2005, 04:43 PM
Not really related, and it's not an E3 game or anything, but I picked up a used copy of the xbox remake of Ninja Gaiden, have to say that it rocks. Still getting my arse kicked all over just like in the originals, but it's a lot of fun.

ENDelt260
05-17-2005, 04:58 PM
You know, the last game console I played was Nintendo 64

I have a Sega Genesis.

Valiant
05-17-2005, 05:40 PM
I hope ps3 backs it up.. But IGN and game devolpers are already calling it out as a pain to work with with and all hype... The PS2 was touted as being able to render live and could not... Basically it is a wait and see for PS3... Kind of like talking to a hot voice on a sex line and then going there and it being skip towne..

Valiant
05-17-2005, 05:45 PM
Not to pick a fight, but they repeated over and over that this is REAL-TIME graphics. One of the Sony Guys said the the PS3 is a 120 times more powerful than a pentium 4 processor. I was awe-struck at where they are taking the next generation console. I truly believe they haven't stratched the surface with all this badboy is going to do. The Cell technology is definitely nothing we have very seen before and I'm surprised you are skeptical..


See thats where I have my problem with them saying that.. They said that the PS2 could render real-time toy story and jurassic park when it was in this stage...

Valiant
05-17-2005, 05:55 PM
Being more powerful than the Pentium 4 is no big feat at all. Of course they compared it to the Pentium 4. Every casual gamer out there just went "ooh...ahhh". In reality, non-Intel processors have been around for quite some time. They're just often ungodly expensive.

And "true-HD" games are not all that awe-inspiring either. There are XBox games today that run in 420p, which isn't that much worse than 1080i. In fact, some media are already using 720p which is superior to 1080i.


I am wondering what p4 they are comparing it too.. IS the 3.2 sony going to outdo the MS 3.2(3core)???

Sony is touting greatness, but are they bluffing agian..

Valiant
05-17-2005, 05:58 PM
:hmmm:

I owned the original Playstation, but I decided to get an XBox instead of the Playstation 2. My Xbox stopped working after about 2 years, while my Playstation lasted a long time, so I think I might sway back to Sony this time around.

Also, it seems like Microsoft is focusing on the FPS market more then anything else (I hate FPS games), while Sony focuses on a broader market. I will gladly give up Halo for more Grand Theft Auto-type games.


Go with what ever... But MS just signed some MS only squaresoft games they are suppose to be RPG's, but will not know until they start making the games...

ZootedGranny
05-17-2005, 06:31 PM
See thats where I have my problem with them saying that.. They said that the PS2 could render real-time toy story and jurassic park when it was in this stage...

Most of the PS2 E3 tech demos several years ago were surpassed by launch titles. Both the Tekken and Bouncer tech demos specifically were bested at launch.

A majority of the clips from the Sony conference were prerendered, but with the alpha kits they were running on still being a fraction of the power of final unit, and the system being half a year away, I wouldn't be surprised to see graphics like that when the system drops.

The main difference between the MS and Sony conferences was that MS decided to show a general idea of the goods, with several games showing real time footage, while Sony decided to go out and wow everyone with renders and whatnot.

Regardless, I am definitely getting both systems.

Pants
05-17-2005, 06:37 PM
Most of the PS2 E3 tech demos several years ago were surpassed by launch titles. Both the Tekken and Bouncer tech demos specifically were bested at launch.

A majority of the clips from the Sony conference were prerendered, but with the alpha kits they were running on still being a fraction of the power of final unit, and the system being half a year away, I wouldn't be surprised to see graphics like that when the system drops.

The main difference between the MS and Sony conferences was that MS decided to show a general idea of the goods, with several games showing real time footage, while Sony decided to go out and wow everyone with renders and whatnot.

Regardless, I am definitely getting both systems.

Heh, I'm still not decided which to pick. I'm leaning towards Xbox because of the controllers, XBL, and a better video card. Sony has much more processing power, but none of the games will ever utilize that (unless they are badly coded). What games will utilize, however, is the video horsepower.

keg in kc
05-18-2005, 01:21 AM
I just saw bits of the Sony PS3 presentation on G4, and all I can say is holy shit. I might have to get me one of them whenever they're out and I can afford it. The shot of London was amazing. And I just realized how much I've missed playing Gran Turismo.

J Diddy
05-18-2005, 01:42 AM
I guess I calmed down. Back in the day I had to get new stuff when it first came out. Nowadays, I lay back and let the price drop. Anyway, point being, I just got my xbox a few months ago and I'm not gonna get anything new for a few years. I will however become extremely pissed if they quite making new games for it, but I don't think that'll happen anytime soon.

PhogPhanTim
05-18-2005, 01:48 AM
I think I'll stick with old reliable and go with Playstation. I'm all about the sports games, and EA games (especially NCAA Football) play so much smoother for PS2 than XBOX.

keg in kc
05-18-2005, 01:53 AM
I guess I calmed down. Back in the day I had to get new stuff when it first came out. Nowadays, I lay back and let the price drop. Anyway, point being, I just got my xbox a few months ago and I'm not gonna get anything new for a few years. I will however become extremely pissed if they quite making new games for it, but I don't think that'll happen anytime soon.I still don't have either a PS2 or an X-box. Who knows when I'll be able to afford a new (or old) console).

eazyb81
05-18-2005, 08:23 AM
I still don't have either a PS2 or an X-box. Who knows when I'll be able to afford a new (or old) console).

Isn't each console priced at $100 or $125 bucks now? That's a really good deal considering they both were originally priced at $300.

eazyb81
05-18-2005, 08:33 AM
Go with what ever... But MS just signed some MS only squaresoft games they are suppose to be RPG's, but will not know until they start making the games...

I heard Square is bringing Final Fantasy XI over to XBox 360, but I didn't know about anything else. It kind of pisses me off that they bring this game over years after it was released, but I guess I should be happy that it is at least coming at all.

keg in kc
05-18-2005, 09:02 AM
Isn't each console priced at $100 or $125 bucks now? That's a really good deal considering they both were originally priced at $300.I couldn't tell you. :shrug:

I think the price of games scares me off as much or more than the cost of the system. Or new games, at least.

The PS3 is kind of scary. I'm not sure there's any way all that tech under the hood will retail for under $500 and games'll probably be $75 before long.

jarjar
05-18-2005, 09:07 AM
Holy crap. Apparently people have been speculating that the PS3 would have to come to market for $600ish considernig
the tech.. but then:
"PS3 to sell for under $500?"
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/18/news_6125423.html

Jesus. That's high...

Oh well, I know I'll be buying it in 2006 anyway. I'll be getting an Xbox this year as well.

eazyb81
05-18-2005, 09:22 AM
Holy crap. Apparently people have been speculating that the PS3 would have to come to market for $600ish considernig
the tech.. but then:
"PS3 to sell for under $500?"
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/18/news_6125423.html

Jesus. That's high...

Oh well, I know I'll be buying it in 2006 anyway. I'll be getting an Xbox this year as well.

No way am I buying any console for 400 or 500 bucks.

I have a feeling that Sony will try to come out with a very high price for the PS3 and base it on their tech specs.

Valiant
05-18-2005, 11:00 AM
No way am I buying any console for 400 or 500 bucks.

I have a feeling that Sony will try to come out with a very high price for the PS3 and base it on their tech specs.


I heard the xbox was to be 300.... So I cannot see sony going a lot higher, it would be stupid.. Even if the ps3 is more powerful, it would just help sell xboxs...

With the sony having the built in wifi for the internet I can see it being maybe 50 dollars higher at 350... But if they decide to sell it much higher the only people that would be buying it would be fanboys... And the rest would go with nintendo or xbox...

Pants
05-18-2005, 11:10 AM
I heard the xbox was to be 300.... So I cannot see sony going a lot higher, it would be stupid.. Even if the ps3 is more powerful, it would just help sell xboxs...

With the sony having the built in wifi for the internet I can see it being maybe 50 dollars higher at 350... But if they decide to sell it much higher the only people that would be buying it would be fanboys... And the rest would go with nintendo or xbox...

There will be different versions of Xbox's from what I understand.

jspchief
05-18-2005, 12:21 PM
Why ask for billions when we can ask for... millions?

:Pinky:Excellent. Just a few days ago, I was browsing the smiley list and I wondered when that particualr one would ever be of use.

HC_Chief
05-18-2005, 12:21 PM
I couldn't tell you. :shrug:

I think the price of games scares me off as much or more than the cost of the system. Or new games, at least.

The PS3 is kind of scary. I'm not sure there's any way all that tech under the hood will retail for under $500 and games'll probably be $75 before long.

Hell, you can get an entire system, controllers, and games for ~$200 now on eBay or Amazon :)

I buy all of my games used. Screw paying $50 for a title when I can wait 3-6 months and get it for less than half that amount.

keg in kc
05-18-2005, 12:22 PM
I'm not too good at waiting 3-6 months to pick up a game. Better to just decline to buy a console and remove the temptation altogether.

eazyb81
05-18-2005, 04:52 PM
There will be different versions of Xbox's from what I understand.

Where did you hear this? Why would there be different versions, wouldn't everyone just want the best version? That would be really weird....

By the way, I watched a video for Killzone on the PS3 page of IGN today.....:hail:

Watch it if you have a chance.

Pants
05-18-2005, 05:03 PM
Where did you hear this? Why would there be different versions, wouldn't everyone just want the best version? That would be really weird....

By the way, I watched a video for Killzone on the PS3 page of IGN today.....:hail:

Watch it if you have a chance.

I saw that video, it's awesome. Have you seen the Gear of Wars one? Looks pretty good too.

About the Xbox's - the different versions was all over the web. Different versions would inlcude ones with a HDD and Wi-Fi, ones without one or the other, etc. Just different packages ranging in price. Some people might not want to pay extra for Wi-Fi or an HDD.

eazyb81
05-18-2005, 05:05 PM
I saw that video, it's awesome. Have you seen the Gear of Wars one? Looks pretty good too.

About the Xbox's - the different versions was all over the web. Different versions would inlcude ones with a HDD and Wi-Fi, ones without one or the other, etc. Just different packages ranging in price. Some people might not want to pay extra for Wi-Fi or an HDD.

Wow, that is crazy, so basically you can buy an XBox and customize it for your specific needs......sweet.

I saw a blurb on Gear of Wars, but I haven't watched the video. Is it X360 or PS3?

KcMizzou
05-18-2005, 05:52 PM
Anyone see the PS3 Killzone demo on G4? Sony says it's real time footage, and not a rendered cut-scene.... IF that's true, it's going to be unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it.

I'll see if I can find a link to it online....

Edit: Damnit. That's what I get for not reading the new posts first.