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KC Jones
06-10-2005, 03:08 PM
I happen to notice quite a few planeeters mentioning NWN on some of the different gaming threads.

So, what's your favorite single player mod?

I just finished the Blackguard trilogy and have to say it was one of my all time favorites. I also love the Paladin series by Richard Burton - Twilight, Midnight, and hopefully some day he'll publish Dawn. Those two series stand out to me as being far better than anything else I've tried, including the official campaigns (HOU, SOU, NWN). At some point I'll probably try the professional expansions but haven't gotten around to it yet. Multiplayer just isn't my bag - I can't participate regularly enough and need to be able to just save off my game and then pick up where I left off a week or two later.

jspchief
06-13-2005, 03:02 PM
I haven't played any of the Mods.

Do you prefer NWN over the BG series?

I always thought NWN was too much hack-n-slash, and not enough plot/substance.

chagrin
06-13-2005, 04:26 PM
I haven't played any of the Mods.

Do you prefer NWN over the BG series?

I always thought NWN was too much hack-n-slash, and not enough plot/substance.



Dude, NOT True!!

NWN takes RPG to a totally new level (cliche, yes but true in this case for real!)

The AI is super sweet, and the story turns on everything you do. Not to mention the hundreds, if not thousands of quality mods created by other users. I bought the game when it came out (01 if I remember correctly) and I played until 2004. Pretty much every day too. I also owned shadows of undrentide. Man, when I get another computer I am starting all over with the original mod. It is not hack and slash unless you play it that way.

chagrin
06-13-2005, 04:27 PM
I happen to notice quite a few planeeters mentioning NWN on some of the different gaming threads.

So, what's your favorite single player mod?

I just finished the Blackguard trilogy and have to say it was one of my all time favorites. I also love the Paladin series by Richard Burton - Twilight, Midnight, and hopefully some day he'll publish Dawn. Those two series stand out to me as being far better than anything else I've tried, including the official campaigns (HOU, SOU, NWN). At some point I'll probably try the professional expansions but haven't gotten around to it yet. Multiplayer just isn't my bag - I can't participate regularly enough and need to be able to just save off my game and then pick up where I left off a week or two later.


I wish I could remember the name of the one, shadow something. Hell, let me go back to my NWN account online and look. The Druid series was cool and...geez too many!

chagrin
06-13-2005, 04:31 PM
If you like Sotrylines, A Harpers Tale is good, we'll have to chat about this more. I am leaving work now...later!

jspchief
06-13-2005, 05:43 PM
Doh!

It just occured to me. I was thinking of Icewind Dale, Heart of Winter.

Yea, never played NWN.

KC Jones
06-13-2005, 09:22 PM
Doh!

It just occured to me. I was thinking of Icewind Dale, Heart of Winter.

Yea, never played NWN.

If you like RPGs you should really give it a try. You can pick up the gold or whatever edition relatively cheaply now. That would be their 3 main storylines/campaigns. The reason you'd really want all 3 is that in addition to being an RPG, NWN is really a developers toolkit for building RPGs. As you can see on this site IGN NWN Modules (http://nwvault.ign.com/fms/TopRated.php?content=modules) there are over 600 publicly released modules or campaigns availble for download. Most of the best modules require you to have all 3 of the purchaseable campaigns because they added more classes, spells, etc. with those. The perfect balance if you ask me between giving something the community can build from for free and still making tons of cash.

What the community has done to expand the main game is simply amazing. Plus, several people host 'persistent world' servers so you can have a MMORPG for free with the client. The most ambitious one I'd ever heard of has over 1500 publicly hosted servers all with custom content in an attempt to create the entire world of Greyhawk online. With the online play, you can pick what kind of server you want - role playing or hack -n- slash etc.

chagrin
06-14-2005, 12:14 PM
Doh!

It just occured to me. I was thinking of Icewind Dale, Heart of Winter.

Yea, never played NWN.



IN THAT CASE:

I concure with our fellow gamer. I had played Icewind Dale when it first came out and found it to be a nice "time passer" until Baldur's Gate II came out, at first. THEN, I began to really take to it. I enjoyed the complexity of the storyline, they really put alot into a small world. then part II came out and now it's grown into something special. Baldur's Gate I and II were better, IMO than Icewind Dale but Icewind Dale still rocks.

Mr. Laz
06-16-2005, 11:16 AM
i have NWN sitting around the house ... still have picked it up to play it yet.


need to


quick suggestion for a character... things to look out for etc?

KC Jones
06-16-2005, 09:14 PM
i have NWN sitting around the house ... still have picked it up to play it yet.


need to


quick suggestion for a character... things to look out for etc?

It's probably easiest to play as a tank - i.e. a fighter or some derivative there of. You really have to explore every side quest and oppotunity for gaining more experience, otherwise you'll advance in the game without being as high of a level and the end fights will be pretty difficult.

At least that's my memory of it, I haven't played the main campaign in years. I honestly think some of the free community based modules are much better than the campaign the game comes with.

chagrin
06-17-2005, 07:54 AM
i have NWN sitting around the house ... still have picked it up to play it yet.


need to


quick suggestion for a character... things to look out for etc?



I agree with KC Jones: fighter = success in the original campaign in my opinion as well. There are plenty of good henchmen choices to pick up the magic/healing slack. there's this one little dude henchmen, talks with an english (or something) accent. He's a hell of a good thief to have around. Man I have got to get a new computer to play it on!!

keg in kc
06-17-2005, 11:44 AM
I always play mages for some reason. I have this obsessive compulsive thing about adding all the spells to me spellbook in order, which isn't always easy. Anyway, I've never had any trouble at all with any campaign or mods. I did enjoy playing as a paladin through the Twilight/Midnight series, however.

I haven't played NWN in a long time, though. Probably over a year by now. I'm deep into Morrowind at the moment, after spending some time getting reacquainted with Sacred and Dungeon Siege. Quality CRPGs seem kind of slim right now, because so many came out at once, weren't spaced out too well. A few sequals approaching, however, Dungeon Siege 2 and the 4th Elder Scrolls: Oblivion.

Mr. Laz
06-17-2005, 12:31 PM
looked on the net and it seems the the expansion pack Shadows of Undrentide adds alot of nice new classes.

i guess the original NWN just has the basic mage/sorc/fighter etc.

i kinda wanted to play a Arcane Archer ... but i guess that's only in SOU. :(

keg in kc
06-17-2005, 12:34 PM
Yeah, prestige classes. I don't remember the specifics, but you don't actually start as those classes, you have to reach a certain level in a basic class and/or certain statistics before you can begin using those. I liked Shadows of Undrentide, fwiw, although I liked Hordes of the Underdark a bit more. Thought that expansion was the best of them all.

I remember buying NWN gold to get the original campaign and SoU, and then buying HotU. You could probably get all 3 of them now for the price of the original game (or less), in a goty or gold pack. I recently purchased Morrowind and it's 2 expansions in a goty pack for something like $29. I'd be surprised if atari/bioware/whoever doesn't offer a similar NWN deal.

Mr. Laz
06-17-2005, 12:51 PM
Yeah, prestige classes. I don't remember the specifics, but you don't actually start as those classes, you have to reach a certain level in a basic class and/or certain statistics before you can begin using those. I liked Shadows of Undrentide, fwiw, although I liked Hordes of the Underdark a bit more. Thought that expansion was the best of them all.

I remember buying NWN gold to get the original campaign and SoU, and then buying HotU. You could probably get all 3 of them now for the price of the original game (or less), in a goty or gold pack. I recently purchased Morrowind and it's 2 expansions in a goty pack for something like $29. I'd be surprised if atari/bioware/whoever doesn't offer a similar NWN deal.

how does NWN compare to the Baldur Gate series?

Mr. Laz
06-17-2005, 01:02 PM
also can you be a Trapper in NWN?


luv playing that way :D

keg in kc
06-17-2005, 01:11 PM
how does NWN compare to the Baldur Gate series?Not in the same league, in my opinion. I think they spent too much time on the look (which I really don't like, to be honest - the spell effects are nice, the character models are nice, but the terrain/buildings/etc I didn't dig) and not enough on the content. Baldur's Gate and BG2 may not have been 3D, but they were...artistic. Beautiful. NWN to me was a case of style over substance. I thought most of the 3D rendering seemed flat, and the story wasn't anything spectacular.

I do not participate in multiplayer, so I have no opinion there.

Now, it's not bad. It's a good game. But you asked me to compare it to the Baldur's Gate series, which to me are some of the best crpgs ever made (Planescape: Torment is my all-time favorite), it's hardly in the same ballpark. Advanced looking, but not necessarily advanced in terms of gameplay and involved storytelling.

To me...

But that didn't stop me from investing hundreds of hours of time playing.

Mr. Laz
06-17-2005, 01:22 PM
But that didn't stop me from investing hundreds of hours of time playing.

thanks..

can you create a whole group of characters and play a multiplayer game by youself like in BG?


is trapper a viable character class?


thanks again for info

keg in kc
06-17-2005, 01:25 PM
thanks..

can you create a whole group of characters and play a multiplayer game by youself like in BG?As far as I know, you can only have your main character and a couple of hirelings. I don't think you can have a real large group, but I've never really experimented with the MP side, so there might be a way to do more. Someone else could probably give you a better answer; I'd hate to tell you "no" and be wrong...is trapper a viable character class?No idea.

Mr. Laz
06-17-2005, 01:32 PM
As far as I know, you can only have your main character and a couple of hirelings. I don't think you can have a real large group, but I've never really experimented with the MP side, so there might be a way to do more. Someone else could probably give you a better answer; I'd hate to tell you "no" and be wrong...


No idea.
heh, guess I'll just have to wait until i can actually start playing it


my brain gets busy and i start planning my character development strategy already.


it's a obsessive compulsive thing :redface:

keg in kc
06-17-2005, 05:10 PM
heh, guess I'll just have to wait until i can actually start playing it


my brain gets busy and i start planning my character development strategy already.


it's a obsessive compulsive thing Well, I already mentioned my thing about having to get all the spells into my mage's spellbook in order, so I can't criticize you.

I'm also known for starting games over and over and over until I have exactly the character I want. I hate that. But I can't control myself.

Mr. Laz
06-17-2005, 05:24 PM
I'm also known for starting games over and over and over until I have exactly the character I want. I hate that. But I can't control myself.

heh... that's why i like having a multiplayer game with me filling all the characters.

i can create a whole squad with various characters and then kill off the guys i don't like without having to start completely over. :)

keg in kc
06-17-2005, 05:29 PM
heh... that's why i like having a multiplayer game with me filling all the characters.

i can create a whole squad with various characters and then kill off the guys i don't like without having to start completely over.Oh, no, that's not what I mean. I always start with the same character, I just fool with the stats until I get exactly what I want. I'd explode or something in a multiplayer game, because I'd have to be that anal with all the characters rather than just 1.

Mr. Laz
06-17-2005, 05:44 PM
Oh, no, that's not what I mean. I always start with the same character, I just fool with the stats until I get exactly what I want. I'd explode or something in a multiplayer game, because I'd have to be that anal with all the characters rather than just 1.

ouch..

nah, i just keep the same main character as a tank or something and then i can stop and start etc all the other characters all i want without restarting the game completely.

KC Jones
06-17-2005, 09:34 PM
BGII is in my book probably the best CRPG ever. However, some of the free modules for NWN come close in terms of story telling. As a matter of fact some reward you 0 XP for kills, instead you get XP for unraveling the storyline and discovering things about the campaign. There are online server where DMs give XP out for you're role playing ability, but I've never tried it out. That's the other thing about NWN - it really is simply a toolset to play D&D. You can run a campaign as DM if you want, or let the PC be the DM and join your friends on a campaign.

As for multiple players, you can have a large party in MP but I don't think you can run them all from one client so you won't be able to run a party of all your own PCs. In NWN you have 1 main character and 1 henchmen. In HOU you can have 2 henchmen at a time, and this opened it up in the free community modules to 2+ henchmen.

Mr. Laz
06-18-2005, 10:58 AM
BGII is in my book probably the best CRPG ever. However, some of the free modules for NWN come close in terms of story telling. As a matter of fact some reward you 0 XP for kills, instead you get XP for unraveling the storyline and discovering things about the campaign. There are online server where DMs give XP out for you're role playing ability, but I've never tried it out. That's the other thing about NWN - it really is simply a toolset to play D&D. You can run a campaign as DM if you want, or let the PC be the DM and join your friends on a campaign.

As for multiple players, you can have a large party in MP but I don't think you can run them all from one client so you won't be able to run a party of all your own PCs. In NWN you have 1 main character and 1 henchmen. In HOU you can have 2 henchmen at a time, and this opened it up in the free community modules to 2+ henchmen.
thanks for you input ... suxors about the large party thing. It made trying all sorts of new character builds so much easier.


agreed about BG ... it's the best


intricate character builds,large content, good storyline :thumb:

keg in kc
06-18-2005, 04:52 PM
Something tells me that laz is looking for one of those hackpacks that makes all the female characters nekkid.

htismaqe
06-19-2005, 06:59 AM
Look at it this way.

NWN is an effort to produce an ENGINE, not a real game, that can accurately reproduce the Dungeons and Dragons pen-and-paper game.

I'm like Laz though, I'm always looking for the uber build for my character. I often find myself halfway through the game and starting over because I levelled something up that I've discovered was a waste of XP.

keg in kc
06-19-2005, 09:18 AM
NWN is an effort to produce an ENGINE, not a real game, that can accurately reproduce the Dungeons and Dragons pen-and-paper game.That's bullshit. The single-player campaign(s) are too long and involved to make that argument. It wasn't an either/or thing, they were making an engine AND a real game. So they made the effort, the end result just wasn't quite up to par with some of their past successes. Which is more about how great the previous games were than anything else. That's a high bar to reach. Like I said before, it's not bad, but it's also not BG2.I'm like Laz though, I'm always looking for the uber build for my character. I often find myself halfway through the game and starting over because I levelled something up that I've discovered was a waste of XP.Yeah, that's what I always do. There's always a point where I realize that I'm going to start over. I try to tell myself it's a waste of time, that I should just keep playing with what I have, because it doesn't matter in the end. And then I always end up starting over anyway. There are times where I just dread it, because I've reached a point where I've played the beginning of a game so many times that it's just not fun anymore.

htismaqe
06-19-2005, 11:24 AM
That's bullshit. The single-player campaign(s) are too long and involved to make that argument. It wasn't an either/or thing, they were making an engine AND a real game. So they made the effort, the end result just wasn't quite up to par with some of their past successes. Which is more about how great the previous games were than anything else. That's a high bar to reach. Like I said before, it's not bad, but it's also not BG2.Yeah, that's what I always do. There's always a point where I realize that I'm going to start over. I try to tell myself it's a waste of time, that I should just keep playing with what I have, because it doesn't matter in the end. And then I always end up starting over anyway. There are times where I just dread it, because I've reached a point where I've played the beginning of a game so many times that it's just not fun anymore.

I'm not saying the single-player experience wasn't good. In fact, it was awesome IMO.

However, they spent roughly 85% of the development hours writing the engine and the level designer. The single-player games were actually used to test the toolset more than anything else.

Mr. Laz
06-19-2005, 11:31 AM
well so far the hardest thing about NWN is a balky camera/camera controls.


i'm cruising around always jacking with the camera trying to get it to stop looking through a wall

or trying to find the "invisible" baddie that's beating the crap outa me.