Interesting "interview" from the Coalition board

[Chiefnj]

I'm copying this post from the Coalition website. It is from a poster "formerdb" who goes back to the Star board days. I don't think he ever followed the exodus to the Planet.
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Some of you already know I'm up here in Pittsburgh. Frank Gantz Sr. lives here too and we're very familiar with each other because he is, of course the former coach and he knows me from my job as a television reporter.

Now that thats out of the way, I spotted Gantz and his wife in a grocery store, Whole Foods (bunch of healthy stuff).
He was wearing Chiefs shorts, t-shirt and cap, he made me laugh.

Anyway here are some of the things he shared with me based on the conversations he has with Vermeil about three times a week.

NEW COACH:
Gantz believes Herman Edwards will get strong consideration as the next Chiefs head coach, for a couple of reasons. First, he says head coaches wear out their welcome very fast, even if they're winners. Most importantly, he says the Chiefs front office is enamored with Edwards. Al Saunders will be considered too HOWEVER... HOWEVER, Saunders Carl Peterson are the two primary parities in regards to the political in-fighting within the organziation. Gantz says the Saunders doesn't back down to Peterson, gets in his face and will tell him his ideas are wrong. They don't share the same philosophy in regards to player evaluations either. I got the strong impression, and Gantz feels this too, that Saunders would be the person to knock Peterson's ego sideways. So Gantz wouldn't be surpirsed if Saunders is passed over as Vermeil's successor.

LARRY JOHNSON:
He says the Chiefs are very sorry Derrick Blaylock is gone. They say that Larry Johnson can't do nearly as many things as Blaylock. They must reconfigure a lot of packages minimize Johnson's short-comings. Gantz says Johson can run, but there's a lot more to the game than just running the rock.

BOOMER GRIGSBY:
May be a starter. Gantz and I had fun talking about the MLB position, as does everyone else. Vermeil told him that Boomer is awesome and that Vermeil isn't letting on to how well this guy REALLY is to the media. Apparently, Boomer is ALWAYS, ALWAYS in position to make the tackle and his technique is flawless. Here's the funny part of our conversation, Gantz asked me why did Grigsby last until the 5th round. I'm like, DUHHHHH!!! He laughed like hell. Gantz and I both think the battle at MLB is between Boomer and Scanlon. He really likes Kawitka Mitchell but it doesn't seem like he's the answer. Everybody is caught up with Boomer's mentality and core toughness to play the position. I informed Gantz of Boomer's gymnastics background and he was even further impressed with the kid.

KENDRELL BELL:
He's NOT healthy from what Vermeil shared with Gantz. Now I thought Bell came back to practice after straining his groin. Perhaps Vermeil is keeping his health undercover but Gantz' voice was noticably grim when talking about Bell's health.
I just hope he is 100 percent by training camp.

GANTZ:
We plan on bumping into each other at training camp because Vermeil asked him to address the team and Gantz is excited to do so. He and I both believe the Chiefs were brilliant in drafting the punter in the third round. Now, while we talked for about 20 minutes, his wife was smoothly filling the cart. She's a wonderful lady, very understanding of two football nuts talking Chiefs football at the deli counter.

[HemiEd]

Thanks for the post, good reading.

[Michael Michigan]

I'm copying this post from the Coalition website.

Interesting..Sheldon..something or other I believe was his name.

BTW what is the coalition web site?

[Bob Dole]

LARRY JOHNSON:
He says the Chiefs are very sorry Derrick Blaylock is gone. They say that Larry Johnson can't do nearly as many things as Blaylock. They must reconfigure a lot of packages minimize Johnson's short-comings. Gantz says Johson can run, but there's a lot more to the game than just running the rock.

Bob Dole tried to make the Blaylock point a number of times.

We're going to miss him a lot on special teams, and if he gets a chance to start he'll be a 1500 yard back.

[Idahored]

Bob Dole tried to make the Blaylock point a number of times.

We're going to miss him a lot on special teams, and if he gets a chance to start he'll be a 1500 yard back.

I agree. I think we lost a lot when Blaylock left, but what do you do when you have a first rounder sitting on the bench?

I'm betting some of the bad blood between Carl and Saunders is about this pickup.

"They don't share the same philosophy in regards to player evaluations either." This might account for the reason that Saunders did not like Johnson and never spoke to him....

hmmmm...interesting.

[Chiefnj]

Interesting..Sheldon..something or other I believe was his name.

BTW what is the coalition web site?


Yeah, I think his name was Sheldon. He was, or is, a sports reporter in the Pittsburgh area and would often get some good reliable info.

www.chiefscoalition.com

[Branden Albert's Huge Balls]

That Blaylock part is bullshit, IMO. Anyone could see last year Johnson was clearly the better back.

[shaneo69]

Bob Dole tried to make the Blaylock point a number of times.

We're going to miss him a lot on special teams, and if he gets a chance to start he'll be a 1500 yard back.


Bob Dole needs to put down the :bong:

[Phobia]

Interesting..Sheldon..something or other I believe was his name.

BTW what is the coalition web site?

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/wtae/301746/detail.html

Dude is ripped. I met him last fall for the first time. "Known" him for 7-8 years and finally had an opportunity to hang out before a game last year.

[ct]

Great read, thanks Sheldon!

I absolutely believe the Blaylock sentiment, except Bob Dole's 1500 yard rusher comment. And I love the Boomer notes! However, I'll believe it when I see it.

[Frankie]

That Blaylock part is bullshit, IMO. Anyone could see last year Johnson was clearly the better back.
I don't necessarily see it that way. Sorry.

[Branden Albert's Huge Balls]

I don't necessarily see it that way. Sorry.

Dude, when Blaylock went down and LJ stepped in, there was a clear difference. When they were splitting carries LJ was outperforming him, too.

Blaylock has more speed, but LJ has more power.

[Frankie]

Bob Dole tried to make the Blaylock point a number of times.

We're going to miss him a lot on special teams, and if he gets a chance to start he'll be a 1500 yard back.
Agreed. I was begining to think that at least in our system Blaylock was Priests heir apparent.

[unlurking]

After last year's performance, I'll take LJ over Blaylock. Blaylock was good, but will never be a dominate RB. LJ has that potential.

[Frankie]

I've never been a blind Carl supporter nor a blind Carl hater. I've pointed out his positives and critisized his negatives. More pos than neg. However, I truely think he will be S-T-U-P-I-D not to promote Saunders to HC. I do like Edwards, but we have our next HC already here and you can't put a price on the smooth transition.

[Branden Albert's Huge Balls]

I'm definitely on the Edwards bandwagon. I love the guy. Plus he has KC connections.

[RedThat]

That Blaylock part is bullshit, IMO. Anyone could see last year Johnson was clearly the better back.

Agreed

[UKMike]

Boomer or Scanlon to start. Either way this place goes crazy.

[Branden Albert's Huge Balls]

Boomer or Scanlon to start. Either way this place goes crazy.

Boomer vs Scanlon. The MLB Wars will begin.

[Chris Meck]

dominant, guys. d-o-m-i-n-a-n-t.

dominant players dominate.

sorry, that's been buggin' me.

Chris

[Ari Chi3fs]

dominant, guys. d-o-m-i-n-a-n-t.

dominant players dominate.

sorry, that's been buggin' me.

Chris

You damn geniouses come in here and try to change our CP lexicon!! its rediciulous.

[Frankie]

Boomer vs Scanlon. The MLB Wars will begin.
I'm still holding out for Kawika.

[AirForceChief]

dominant, guys. d-o-m-i-n-a-n-t.

dominant players dominate.

sorry, that's been buggin' me.

Chris

Not NEARLY as much as Gantz (?) v. Gansz has been bugging me...I mean, I guess I'm just assuming were talking about Frank Gansz, Sr. here.

[ExtremeChief]

You damn geniouses come in here and try to change our CP lexicon!! its rediciulous.


quit it, your being retarted

[Wilson]

Here's the funny part of our conversation, Gantz asked me why did Grigsby last until the 5th round. I'm like, DUHHHHH!!!

What exactly does "DUHHHHH" mean in this case?

[morphius]

The LJ thing is a bit silly, IMO. Sure they will miss him, he is a decent player, but really, whenever you have a different player come in at a skill position you change things to best utilize what they do best. There is obviously still a lot of tension between LJ and Vermeil/Saunders, which would be nice if they could get over the fact that they were wrong.

[RedThat]

What exactly does "DUHHHHH" mean in this case?

Yeah really

[Rain Man]

What exactly does "DUHHHHH" mean in this case?


I must admit that I'm curious about that, too. Is it just pointing out that he was from a small school?

[unlurking]

quit it, your being retarted
Now that's just recockulous.

[Nightfyre]

Dude, when Blaylock went down and LJ stepped in, there was a clear difference. When they were splitting carries LJ was outperforming him, too.

Blaylock has more speed, but LJ has more power.
You know, the RB serves more of a purpose than moving the rock, right? That is what they were refering to. They have to reconfigure pass protections and patterns with johnson instead of blaylock.

[ROYC75]

Let's take a wait and see approach.

[Mr. Laz]

NEW COACH:
HOWEVER... HOWEVER, Saunders Carl Peterson are the two primary parities in regards to the political in-fighting within the organziation. Gantz says the Saunders doesn't back down to Peterson, gets in his face and will tell him his ideas are wrong.
i believe this completely

i wouldn't doubt for a second that that assface would allow his political beliefs to influence his decision on the next head coach.

:shake:

peterson is such a piece chit




nice interview ... thanks

[Nightfyre]

But I think with edwards, we will see the return... of DEFENSE!!!!

[HemiEd]

But I think with edwards, we will see the return... of DEFENSE!!!!

At the expense of the offense probably. I hope not. I would just as soon keep AS.

[Nightfyre]

At the expense of the offense probably. I hope not. I would just as soon keep AS.
If by no offense, you mean we would play ball control.

[ct]

We can at least say with Herm, we would not have to endure Can't Hackett.

Objectively though, folks, Herman Edwards is the better choice, IMO, between the two of them. But you also have to factor in that choosing Edwards(assuming we even had that option, he is still employed as an NFL head coach), we 99% would lose Saunders. Now maybe the choice isn't so easy.

[Nightfyre]

We can at least say with Herm, we would not have to endure Can't Hackett.

Objectively though, folks, Herman Edwards is the better choice, IMO, between the two of them. But you also have to factor in that choosing Edwards(assuming we even had that option, he is still employed as an NFL head coach), we 99% would lose Saunders. Now maybe the choice isn't so easy.
My bet would be that Saunders offense style doesnt quite match what Edwards has in mind anyway.

[HemiEd]

If by no offense, you mean we would play ball control.


Sounds too much like Marty Ball to me. No thanks! BTDT!

[Brock]

What exactly does "DUHHHHH" mean in this case?

I think it means "formerdb" is a "currentmoron".

[RedThat]

I think it means "formerdb" is a "currentmoron".

This makes me to believe I don't buy this article one bit. This is all speculative rumors at this point. Possibly created by "formerdb". BTW, I have been on the star board previously, and i recognize who that guy is. I don't know him personally, however, I have read his posts in the past, and he is full of it.

[Chiefnj]

This makes me to believe I don't buy this article one bit. This is all speculative rumors at this point. Possibly created by "formerdb". BTW, I have been on the star board previously, and i recognize who that guy is. I don't know him personally, however, I have read his posts in the past, and he is full of it.


I posted the guys thread because it contained some good Chief news during a slow time. I don't think it's fair to bash the guy when he doesn't post on the Planet. He's an old timer as far as message boards go and, IMO, has always been a good, reliable, standup guy. You may disagree with his OPINIONS but he doesn't post BS or make up conversations with ex-coaches.

[Frankie]

You know, the RB serves more of a purpose than moving the rock, right? That is what they were refering to. They have to reconfigure pass protections and patterns with johnson instead of blaylock.
Exactly why I still would have been OK with keeping Blaylock and trading LJ. Especially after showing well in the late games.

[Frankie]

But I think with edwards, we will see the return... of DEFENSE!!!!
That can't be ALL good. Not if our offense turns boring and conservative.

[InChiefsHell]

You know, the RB serves more of a purpose than moving the rock, right? That is what they were refering to. They have to reconfigure pass protections and patterns with johnson instead of blaylock.

Dude, if our WHOLE offensive success was secretly centered around Blaylock, then yeah we might be in trouble...

...I kinda doubt it though. Priest seems happy to have Johnson's company in the backfield. I suppose he could be full of shit too, but I think Johnson will thrive in this O, especially after we saw what he could do at the end of last season...

[Brock]

Jeezus, Herm Edwards? Why???

[bogie]

KENDRELL BELL:
He's NOT healthy from what Vermeil shared with Gantz. Now I thought Bell came back to practice after straining his groin. Perhaps Vermeil is keeping his health undercover but Gantz' voice was noticably grim when talking about Bell's health.
I just hope he is 100 percent by training camp.

This worries me.

[RedThat]

You know, the RB serves more of a purpose than moving the rock, right? That is what they were refering to. They have to reconfigure pass protections and patterns with johnson instead of blaylock.

Last time i heard, Johnson is getting better at pass protection.

[BigRedChief]

This makes me to believe I don't buy this article one bit. This is all speculative rumors at this point. Possibly created by "formerdb". BTW, I have been on the star board previously, and i recognize who that guy is. I don't know him personally, however, I have read his posts in the past, and he is full of it.

Hey noob, I've known this guy for a while. We may diagree about things but hes just not making chit up and posting it. in other words back off I got his back.

[Branden Albert's Huge Balls]

You know, the RB serves more of a purpose than moving the rock, right? That is what they were refering to. They have to reconfigure pass protections and patterns with johnson instead of blaylock.

Bullshit. LJ is a great pass catching RB.

[JimNasium]

But I think with edwards, we will see the return... of DEFENSE!!!!
In the spirit of this thread don't you mean defence.

[HemiEd]

Bullshit. LJ is a great pass catching RB.

He is good and should only get better. I think the only place we will miss DB is on Special Teams.

[Branden Albert's Huge Balls]

He is good and should only get better. I think the only place we will miss DB is on Special Teams.

Not with Boerigter back. Unless you're talking about Blaylock doing the blocking for Dante, in which case you could be right.

[go bowe]

Not with Boerigter back. Unless you're talking about Blaylock doing the blocking for Dante, in which case you could be right.i knew there was some reason i liked you...

[Branden Albert's Huge Balls]

i knew there was some reason i liked you...

I'm a big Boerigter fan.

[TRR]

Wow. I hardly agree with anything Gantz said in the entire "interview." I'm not a big fan of Herm Edwards, I never was a big fan of Derrick Blaylock, and I think Kendrell Bell is a lot healthier than Gantz says he is.

Whatever....

[HemiEd]

Not with Boerigter back. Unless you're talking about Blaylock doing the blocking for Dante, in which case you could be right.


I am sure with all of this new talent we should be able to fill the need for blockers.

[Lzen]

Dude can't even spell Frank Gansz's name correctly. :shake:

http://www.kcchiefs.com/coach/frank_gansz_jr/

[jspchief]

I like Herm Edwards as a HC, but I question his ability to surround himself with quality assistants.

If the Jets have a down year, after last year's sniff at the play-offs, it's possible that he will get fired. Just in time for DV's retirement.

I prefer him over Saunders. Personally, I can see AS turning into another Martz. Besides, our offense is at a stage where it may be time to go another direction. There comes a time when you no longer have the players that can do the things you need them to do. Since we may be nearing a rebuilding stage on O, I'd just as soon get someone to build their system, rather than have Saunders cling to an old system that doesn't work anymore (ala Martz).

[Lzen]

I posted the guys thread because it contained some good Chief news during a slow time. I don't think it's fair to bash the guy when he doesn't post on the Planet. He's an old timer as far as message boards go and, IMO, has always been a good, reliable, standup guy. You may disagree with his OPINIONS but he doesn't post BS or make up conversations with ex-coaches.


How do you know that for sure?

[Bob Dole]

That Blaylock part is bullshit, IMO. Anyone could see last year Johnson was clearly the better back.

And to no real surprise, you completely miss the point.

Not only was Blaylock pretty much a Holmes clone at RB, he was a major contributer on the return team.

But go ahead and call for Hakim to replace Hall halfway through the season when Hall hasn't ripped off any returns for TD. It won't have a damned thing to do with Dante and everything to do with no Derrick.

[Brando]

Bobby..I'm too lazy to find the thread with name suggestions. I wanted to throw this one at you..Ali Bobby & the 40 Chiefs.

[HemiEd]

I like Herm Edwards as a HC, but I question his ability to surround himself with quality assistants.

If the Jets have a down year, after last year's sniff at the play-offs, it's possible that he will get fired. Just in time for DV's retirement.

I prefer him over Saunders. Personally, I can see AS turning into another Martz. Besides, our offense is at a stage where it may be time to go another direction. There comes a time when you no longer have the players that can do the things you need them to do. Since we may be nearing a rebuilding stage on O, I'd just as soon get someone to build their system, rather than have Saunders cling to an old system that doesn't work anymore (ala Martz).


180 degrees, polar opisite to my opinion. We could not disagree more and that is hard to do. I hope like hell we get Al Saunders, please. But you still have a nice TV.

[jspchief]

I'll agree that it may hurt to lose Blaylock, but there is no way I'd take him over LJ. And we just couldn't afford to keep both, in more ways than just cap space.


I don't see Blaylock ever becoming a star RB. At best I see him being just a solid starter. LJ on the other hand could become a real stud, IMO.

[Chiefnj]

How do you know that for sure?

Based on years of reading the guys posts and information that he has obtained as a reporter and posted.

[jspchief]

180 degrees, polar opisite to my opinion. We could not disagree more and that is hard to do. But you still have a nice TV.

I just don't relish the idea of trying to continue the Saunders scheme with a revamped O-line, aging or retired Green and Gonzo, and LJ instead of Holmes.

Beyond that, too many times have I seen Saunders abandon a very effective running game in the second half in favor of a passing game that is sputtering. I just don't like his offensive philosophy.

[Branden Albert's Huge Balls]

And to no real surprise, you completely miss the point.

Not only was Blaylock pretty much a Holmes clone at RB, he was a major contributer on the return team.


Dude, there's nothing Blaylock can do as a halfback that Johnson can't also do, if not better. If they were talking about special teams, that fine, but LJ has more value to the Chiefs. That is obvious.

Blaylock a Holmes clone? You are reaching. BIG TIME.

Dante's going to do just fine without Blaylock.

[Logical]

What exactly does "DUHHHHH" mean in this case?I take it to mean Boomer scored none to well on the Wonderlic and is not exactly the brightest bulb in the package.

[HuddleClubKid]

You guys rip me for credibility? I agree the Blaylock part is way off base. KC is thanking their lucky stars they didn't make another Rich Gannon vs. Elvis Grbac mistake with Johnson. He's been amazing in OTA's and last years playing time has the Chiefs talking about putting Holmes and Johnson in the backfield at the same time.

AS far as his comments about Bell, he was full speed today in practice and looked just fine. HE would not be on the field if he had any lingering injuries or problems. Chiefs won't allow anyone to participate in OTA's if they have a hang nail...

As far as the Chiefs next head coach, Bill Cowher is at the top of the list and everyone else is on the second tier as far as who Peterson wants... I'd shocked if it was Herman Edwards.

Hey where's the love for getting the Shelton deal correct. Told you he was not coming to KC... Hope all is well on the Planet... Take care guys...

[HemiEd]

I just don't relish the idea of trying to continue the Saunders scheme with a revamped O-line, aging or retired Green and Gonzo, and LJ instead of Holmes.

Beyond that, too many times have I seen Saunders abandon a very effective running game in the second half in favor of a passing game that is sputtering. I just don't like his offensive philosophy.


You state your opinion very well. What do you think of the Jets offense? How about the offense of any of the other Marty decipals? :Lin:
Al Saunders offense does get the scoring done. Why can't we plug in new linemen? Changing a few pieces is easier than a total rebuild IMO. These guys have the confidence in the system that they are part of. Trent wants to play several more years, why can't we plug in someone else when needed? I am hooked on this offense, damn it is fun to watch. I have a lot of respect for #35, Okoye. He was great but I did not enjoy watching that as much as what we have now.

[Lzen]

Based on years of reading the guys posts and information that he has obtained as a reporter and posted.

If you're telling me that this guy is professional reporter, I think he should become a little more professional and learn how to spell his subject's name.
:shake:

[Lzen]

Dude, there's nothing Blaylock can do as a halfback that Johnson can't also do, if not better. If they were talking about special teams, that fine, but LJ has more value to the Chiefs. That is obvious.

Blaylock a Holmes clone? You are reaching. BIG TIME.

Dante's going to do just fine without Blaylock.

Johnson wasn't very good in pass protection last year as per the head coach. And Blaylock is in the mold of a Priest Holmes type back i.e. small, shifty. Whereas Johson is a more power back with long strides. I do think LJ has a lot more upside, though.

[Skip Towne]

Bob Dole tried to make the Blaylock point a number of times.

We're going to miss him a lot on special teams, and if he gets a chance to start he'll be a 1500 yard back.
Are you sure you aren't thinking about Rich Scanlon instead of Blaylock?

[Raiderhader]

I like Herm Edwards as a HC, but I question his ability to surround himself with quality assistants.

If the Jets have a down year, after last year's sniff at the play-offs, it's possible that he will get fired. Just in time for DV's retirement.

I prefer him over Saunders. Personally, I can see AS turning into another Martz. Besides, our offense is at a stage where it may be time to go another direction. There comes a time when you no longer have the players that can do the things you need them to do. Since we may be nearing a rebuilding stage on O, I'd just as soon get someone to build their system, rather than have Saunders cling to an old system that doesn't work anymore (ala Martz).


That is why you get younger players to take the places of the older ones. You do not need to change a system just because some guys are getting old, you just change the guys.

Don't get me wrong, I have the same fear as you that AS is another Martz waiting to happen, but your reasoning here is just a little off kilter.

[HuddleClubKid]

LJ has been very physical in practice in regards to pass blocking. He never had to do that at Penn State but there is no comparison between his physical tools and those of Johnson. Blaylock will be a career back-up while LJ will take over the reigns of this offense in a year or two and be every bit as productive as Priest in it as long as they continue to get solid O-line play...

[jspchief]

You state your opinion very well. What do you think of the Jets offense? How about the offense of any of the other Marty decipals? :Lin:
Al Saunders offense does get the scoring done. Why can't we plug in new linemen? Changing a few pieces is easier than a total rebuild IMO. These guys have the confidence in the system that they are part of. Trent wants to play several more years, why can't we plug in someone else when needed? I am hooked on this offense, damn it is fun to watch. I have a lot of respect for #35, Okoye. He was great but I did not enjoy watching that as much as what we have now.I guess my problem is, I don't think we're going to be able to plug holes over the course of the next 4 years or so. I think at some point, age and retirement are going to create a massive drop-off on our offense, and it's going to hit all at once (or over a year or two). We have a lot of guys on this team that realistically will be retired or old enough that their talent has slipped in the next few years.

Thats where Saunders might try to do something stupid like get by with Collins "because he knows the system".

I'd just as soon rebuild something different, instead of desperately clinging to something that is no longer there, only to have to rebuild in a few years anyway.

As far as Edwards offense, obviously Hackett is an idiot, but he's no longer there. I already admitted that I worry about Herm's ability to get the right coaching core around him.

Obviously a lot of my opinion is rooted in speculation that is tinted with my overall feelings towards Saunders. A few years ago, I worried about losing him, but recently, I've changed my tune.

[Raiderhader]

As to those who think the esteemed senator is crazy for his comments on Blaylock, just remember how crazy many of you thought he was for supporting Dante......

[Random & Clever]

AS far as his comments about Bell, he was full speed today in practice and looked just fine. HE would not be on the field if he had any lingering injuries or problems. Chiefs won't allow anyone to participate in OTA's if they have a hang nail...

As far as the Chiefs next head coach, Bill Cowher is at the top of the list and everyone else is on the second tier as far as who Peterson wants... I'd shocked if it was Herman Edwards.

Hey where's the love for getting the Shelton deal correct. Told you he was not coming to KC... Hope all is well on the Planet... Take care guys...


Good info. Thanks.

[BossKiller]

How do you know that for sure?

I can tell you for sure he is real....

He's just repeating a speculative conversation he had with an old Chiefs coach.. Not breaking a Warpaint IS story.... :)

He will be at camp, if you're interested in meeting him I'll let him know you're looking for him. You can then see for yourself that he's not a guy that's going to BS you. He is a good guy and good friend.

[jspchief]

That is why you get younger players to take the places of the older ones. You do not need to change a system just because some guys are getting old, you just change the guys.

Don't get me wrong, I have the same fear as you that AS is another Martz waiting to happen, but your reasoning here is just a little off kilter.To clarify, my feeling is that we don't have the time, or the guys waiting in the wings to just plug holes.

I think we're going to have a massive exodus of offensive players, facilitated by our horrible drafting teamed with our quest to build a defense.

If that's the case, and it's a major rebuilding project, it's perfect time to bring in a new head coach that can get his QB, and build accordingly.

[Lzen]

As to those who think the esteemed senator is crazy for his comments on Blaylock, just remember how crazy many of you thought he was for supporting Dante......

I don't think he's crazy for his comments on Blaylock. I just think he's crazy. :D

[Lzen]

I can tell you for sure he is real....

He's just repeating a speculative conversation he had with an old Chiefs coach.. Not breaking a Warpaint IS story.... :)

He will be at camp, if you're interested in meeting him I'll let him know you're looking for him. You can then see for yourself that he's not a guy that's going to BS you. He is a good guy and good friend.

Cool. Ummmm.....who are you again?

[shakesthecat]

Herm Edwards wouldn't be my first choice, but at this point I'd rather have him and a new system, than Saunders.

Saunders just doesn't seem like Head Coach material to me.

I'll admit this is a homer choice, but I'd like to see Kirk Ferentz get a chance. He's gonna leave Iowa some day. May as well be for KC.

[David.]

haha, bobdole still won't give up on DB over LJ. Sure, we're gonna miss him on ST....a lot. But we couldn't afford both DB and LJ. And LJ is a MUCH better runner than DB, the other stuff will come to him, he's young.

[BigRedChief]

Cool. Ummmm.....who are you again?
He's on the board of the ChiefsCoalition and the founder/head tech guru/admin and all around pain in the butt of the chiefscoalition.com website. I got his back too. :rolleyes:

[BossKiller]

Cool. Ummmm.....who are you again?

No one. But maybe after 1000 people tell you he's not bullshitting you might get it...

[Raiderhader]

To clarify, my feeling is that we don't have the time, or the guys waiting in the wings to just plug holes.

I think we're going to have a massive exodus of offensive players, facilitated by our horrible drafting teamed with our quest to build a defense.

If that's the case, and it's a major rebuilding project, it's perfect time to bring in a new head coach that can get his QB, and build accordingly.


Even if that should be the case, I still so no reason to abandon the system. If we need to rebuild, let's rebuild this system.


I do not want the west coast offense anymore. I like scoring points.

[Raiderhader]

I don't think he's crazy for his comments on Blaylock. I just think he's crazy. :D


I can't really argue that.

[BossKiller]

Even if that should be the case, I still so no reason to abandon the system. If we need to rebuild, let's rebuild this system.


I do not want the west coast offense anymore. I like scoring points.


I agree. That's the good thing about our O, is it changes every year anyway. No reason to abandon it. Easier said than done though I bet.

[JimNasium]

As to those who think the esteemed senator is crazy for his comments on Blaylock, just remember how crazy many of you thought he was for supporting Dante......
Bobdole is Blaylock's assboy. You know it, I know it and the Texarkana Chamber of Commerce knows it.

[Raiderhader]

Bobdole is Blaylock's assboy. You know it, I know it and the Texarkana Chamber of Commerce knows it.


Bobwhateverthehellnameheisgoingbynow is a lot of people's assboy. That in no way makes my point irrelevant.

[JimNasium]

Bobwhateverthehellnameheisgoingbynow is a lot of people's assboy. That in no way makes my point irrelevant.
I didn't say it made your point irrelevant or irreverant. I just like pointing out that Bobby is an assboy.

[David.]

As to those who think the esteemed senator is crazy for his comments on Blaylock, just remember how crazy many of you thought he was for supporting Dante......

he also went on about how LJ was a bust.

just because he was right with one player doesn't exactly make him a talent scout.

[Raiderhader]

I didn't say it made your point irrelevant or irreverant. I just like pointing out that Bobby is an assboy.


Point taken.



BOB DOLE IS AN ASSBOY!!!!


Heh, it is kinda fun....

[Raiderhader]

he also went on about how LJ was a bust.

just because he was right with one player doesn't exactly make him a talent scout.


And just because he was wrong about one player does not mean he cannot scout talent.

[David.]

And just because he was wrong about one player does not mean he cannot scout talent.

I'm not saying he can't, I'm sure he knows football well, probably better than me.

I just think he's wrong about Blaylock :shrug:

[Frankie]

I like Herm Edwards as a HC, but I question his ability to surround himself with quality assistants.
I totally agree with this statement. That's been my thoughts as well.

I prefer him over Saunders. Personally, I can see AS turning into another Martz.
I totally disagree with this statement. Martz is a crazy egomaniac and not cut up to be a HC. Saunders has already experienced being a HC and by all accounts has a good head on his shoulders.

[Raiderhader]

I'm not saying he can't, I'm sure he knows football well, probably better than me.

I just think he's wrong about Blaylock :shrug:


Only time will tell. Frankly, I would not be surprised if he is right. Blaylock looks like a poor man's Priest. Just like Priest looked like a poor man's Faulk at first.

[David.]

Only time will tell. Frankly, I would not be surprised if he is right. Blaylock looks like a poor man's Priest. Just like Priest looked like a poor man's Faulk at first.

I think he could be one of the best if not THE best change of pace back in the league. That said, I just don't think he has what it takes to be a full time back. JMO, though I'd like to see him do well.

[David.]

just as long as it's not against us =/

[Bob Dole]

he also went on about how LJ was a bust.

just because he was right with one player doesn't exactly make him a talent scout.

Bob Dole doesn't remember ever calling LJ a "bust" unless it was in jest and in response to someone proclaiming that LJ should instantly be promoted to starter because he was a 1st round draft pick.

[David.]

Bob Dole doesn't remember ever calling LJ a "bust" unless it was in jest and in response to someone proclaiming that LJ should instantly be promoted to starter because he was a 1st round draft pick.


eh, maybe. It was a long time ago.

[Rain Man]

Texarkana: Home of the Derrick Blaylock Museum and Conference Center.

[Bob Dole]

Texarkana: Home of the Derrick Blaylock Museum and Conference Center.

They were going to put it in Atlanta, but Ellen already purchased the naming rights.

[Bob Dole]

eh, maybe. It was a long time ago.

Bob Dole also posted that Titan's draftee Brandon Jones would be a future NFL player after Jones' junior year in high school. It's going to be interesting to see how he does.

(Bob Dole is betting that he contributes more than either Bradley or Clayton this season.)

[BigRedChief]

Texarkana: Home of the Derrick Blaylock Museum and Conference Center.

It's just outside of Lubbock...It's the Derrick Blaylock Museum and Tire Care Center..apoligies to Tator Salad

[Wile_E_Coyote]

I can tell you for sure he is real....

He's just repeating a speculative conversation he had with an old Chiefs coach.. Not breaking a Warpaint IS story.... :)

He will be at camp, if you're interested in meeting him I'll let him know you're looking for him. You can then see for yourself that he's not a guy that's going to BS you. He is a good guy and good friend.

nice to see some people don't change:rolleyes:

[ct]

I think he could be one of the best if not THE best change of pace back in the league. That said, I just don't think he has what it takes to be a full time back. JMO, though I'd like to see him do well.

well said, completely agree

[Skip Towne]

Bob Dole doesn't remember ever calling LJ a "bust" unless it was in jest and in response to someone proclaiming that LJ should instantly be promoted to starter because he was a 1st round draft pick.
You got awfully close and you even admitted you were wrong in one thread.

[tk13]

I don't know the actual truth.... but I really don't know how anyone on here could truly know whether we have to scale things back in terms of playcalling between LJ and Blaylock. That has absolutely nothing to do with their talent level and everything to do with what's upstairs... arguing over who's more talented is completely irrelevant to that discussion.

[Dave Lane]

And frankly in my mind Edwards is a yes man and a lackey. Hmmm maybe he's right Edwards will be the next head coach.

Dave

[Dave Lane]

Somebody invite this guy to hang out here at the planet.

Dave

[BigRedChief]

Somebody invite this guy to hang out here at the planet.

Dave

He knows its here.

[Bob Dole]

I don't know the actual truth.... but I really don't know how anyone on here could truly know whether we have to scale things back in terms of playcalling between LJ and Blaylock. That has absolutely nothing to do with their talent level and everything to do with what's upstairs... arguing over who's more talented is completely irrelevant to that discussion.

Bob Dole didn't think we were arguing who was more talented, but who had more <i>value</i> at the moment.

You can bet your ass that LJ ain't going to be Dante's lead on returns. Not only does someone new need to learn how to perform that function, Dante will need to learn how that lead is going to react in a situation so <i>he</i> can react accordingly.

Blaylock was an integral part of Dante's "offensive line."

[Bob Dole]

You got awfully close and you even admitted you were wrong in one thread.

Are you sure it wasn't "wasted draft pick" instead of "bust?"

[Lzen]

Point taken.



BOB DOLE IS AN ASSBOY!!!!


Heh, it is kinda fun....

Don't forget crazy.

BOB DOLE IS A CRAZY ASSBOY!!!!

[Raiderhader]

Don't forget crazy.

BOB DOLE IS A CRAZY ASSBOY!!!!


That too.

[ChiTown]

Are you sure you aren't thinking about Rich Scanlon instead of Blaylock?

He actually meant Brian Shay....

[Raiderhader]

He actually meant Brian Shay....


Heh.

[the Talking Can]

Herm Edwards.....god lord, can we quit with the Hackett loving Martyball bullshit forever please!!

[Branden Albert's Huge Balls]

Bob Dole didn't think we were arguing who was more talented, but who had more <i>value</i> at the moment.

You can bet your ass that LJ ain't going to be Dante's lead on returns. Not only does someone new need to learn how to perform that function, Dante will need to learn how that lead is going to react in a situation so <i>he</i> can react accordingly.

Blaylock was an integral part of Dante's "offensive line."

So was Donald Willis. We let him go and I didn't see much change. I think you are overvaluing Blaylock.

I guess we will see. I'd rather have a stud running back than a guy who's great at blocking on returns and is a decent backup HB.

[Branden Albert's Huge Balls]

Herm Edwards.....god lord, can we quit with the Hackett loving Martyball bullshit forever please!!

Herm is a good coach. I'd take him over Dick 4 Meal.

[Phobia]

If you're telling me that this guy is professional reporter, I think he should become a little more professional and learn how to spell his subject's name.
:shake:

He's not a professional sports reporter. He made the post at chiefscoalition as a fan, not a paid professional. Besides, he's not a print journalist, he's a TV reporter. He doesn't need to know how to spell. He attends training camp every year and has been pretty reliable in his information.

[Bob Dole]

So was Donald Willis. We let him go and I didn't see much change. I think you are overvaluing Blaylock.

And Bob Dole is pretty sure you (and others) are undervaluing him.

Go back and watch return film and see how many times Blaylock threw a key block that sprung Hall. He had the speed and skill to run interference and take out a would-be tackler without slowing Hall down.

To anyone not repeating the "but LJ was a 1st round pick" mantra, Blaylock showed that he had the potential to be more than a "decent backup RB" in the KC offense, and Larry Johnson is a full season away from earning the label "stud running back."

How long did Blaylock last in free agency?

[Branden Albert's Huge Balls]

Blaylock still isn't a starter. And I doubt he ever will be. I don't think he's good enough. He's a great situational back but he doesn't have the stuff to take 300 carries.

[Bob Dole]

He's a great situational back but he doesn't have the stuff to take 300 carries.

And that opinion is based on what?

[Bob Dole]

Opinion?

It's probably because Blaylock is built exactly like Holmes, has more speed, is 3 pounds lighter and 6 years younger, but George Lucas appeared to him in a dream and told him it was so.

[penchief]

The LJ thing is a bit silly, IMO. Sure they will miss him, he is a decent player, but really, whenever you have a different player come in at a skill position you change things to best utilize what they do best. There is obviously still a lot of tension between LJ and Vermeil/Saunders, which would be nice if they could get over the fact that they were wrong.

True. It is unfortunate that Chief fans have to deal with this dilemna.

On one hand, we have an excellent offensive system designed by Vermeil/Saunders/Martz. What Saunders has been able to do here is outstanding. He deserves as much credit as any offensive coordinator in the league. Especially considering he works his magic with no significant player at WR.

On the other hand, Johnson IS a rare talent. IMHO, all this talk about Blaylock has merit only when considering his value to the system. Johnson has unique skills. First, I'm not so sure Blaylock is actually faster than Johnson. Second, LJ has more subtle moves that are less choppy/flamboyant but very effective in the open field (ala, Robert Smith). Lastly, the one thing that impressed me most about Johnson last season that I didn't recognize at Penn State (probably due to his breaking long TD runs all the time) was his desire at the goal line. The way he keeps driving forward is impressive.

I'm with Carl on this one. One of the worst things this team could do would be to trade LJ to a team that has the knowledge and is willing to utilize a feature back that can do it all (which includes catching passes. In fact, his tools make him especially dangerous in the flats).

Vermeil and Saunders are the adults and the masterminds. Intelligent leadership shapes its system around its assets. This whole snit over a player that doesn't perfectly fit their system is hurting the Chiefs, IMHO.

[unlurking]

How long did Blaylock last in free agency?

Would've been much longer if her were holding out for a starter's position.

[Phobia]

First, I'm not so sure Blaylock is actually faster than Johnson.

WHAT? Blaylock was the fastest RB taken in his draft class. He ran a LOW 4.3 (or was it a 4.29?). I know DV has somewhat of a credibility problem, but he's repeatedly stated Blaylock is the fastest guy on the team (along with about 5 other "fastest guys on the team"). Incidentally, LJ was never referred to as the "fastest guy on the team" by John Madden - errr Dick Vermeil.

I've haven't seen anything other than a high 4.4 attributed to Johnson.

[unlurking]

WHAT? Blaylock was the fastest RB taken in his draft class. He ran a LOW 4.3 (or was it a 4.29?). I know DV has somewhat of a credibility problem, but he's repeatedly stated Blaylock is the fastest guy on the team (along with about 5 other "fastest guys on the team"). Incidentally, LJ was never referred to as the "fastest guy on the team" by John Madden - errr Dick Vermeil.

I've haven't seen anything other than a high 4.4 attributed to Johnson.
Diapers tend to make you run funny. Now that he's taken them off, I'm sure DV will refer to him as another of the "fastest guys on the team".

[milkman]

Herm Edwards.....god lord, can we quit with the Hackett loving Martyball bullshit forever please!!

I'm on board with you.
I never want another headcoach that is so afraid of mistakes that he refuses to aggressively persue TDs.

[morphius]

As to those who think the esteemed senator is crazy for his comments on Blaylock, just remember how crazy many of you thought he was for supporting Dante......
The difference of course is that I was a Dante backer, but Blaylock was just okay, and as a starter wasn't much to write home about.

I'll wait to make a judgment about nissing hime as ST blocker, but maybe Kris Wilson can fill in. Plus the fact that we already have 4-5 players who make this team for almost only ST's.

[Lemon Pie]

I think Robert Holcombe is going to make everybody forget about Blaylock. Holcombe has been a ST stud his whole career, and he provides great depth.

[shaneo69]

Didn't Blaylock get hurt in every game that he carried the ball more than 12 times? Yeah he played pretty good when we were up by 28 vs the Falcons, and he had a good first half at New Orleans, but what else did he do? Then he hurried up and signed with the first team that promised him a backup spot.

Herm Edwards? I have seen Gretz mention that Herm would be high on CP's list, but watching him coach is like watching Marty all over again. The donk fans would be loving that. At least he got rid of Hackett and brought in Heimerdinger, but that was about 3 years too late, and he only did it because of the pressure created by the NY media. Guy has had a few meltdowns already in NY; shades of Gunther?

Saunders as HC? No thanks. His disdain for LJ is just pathetic and totally unprofessional. As for his player evaluation skills, I remember a couple years ago he did an interview before the draft and said that he thought Mike Williams (OT who went to Buffalo) would be the best player in the draft and the guy he would take if he had the #1 pick overall. And his previous HC experience with San Diego is not a plus, IMO.

[shaneo69]

Hey where's the love for getting the Shelton deal correct. Told you he was not coming to KC... Hope all is well on the Planet... Take care guys...

Yeah, kudos. I'm really proud of you for not trying to appeal to the masses' craving for rumors by writing a "Wouldn't it be great if he signed" article for Shelton like you did with Boulware. I thought you would, but you didn't. Congrats.

*Edit* Actually, Liz Merrill should be fired, or at least disciplined, for saying that Shelton would visit KC just because some other cities' media reported that he would. Apparently, she didn't even ask DV. There were no quotes from any Chiefs officials in her article; it was all presumption on her part based on what she had read on the internet.

[Branden Albert's Huge Balls]

And that opinion is based on what?

Watching Blaylock play. He doesn't have "it" in my opinion.

[philfree]

Yeah we really missed Blaylock when he and Holmes were both out and LJ took over :rolleyes:

PhilFree:arrow:

[RedThat]

Watching Blaylock play. He doesn't have "it" in my opinion.

Blaylock is your prototypical backup type of RB. However, bobbykat has a point, Blaylock was a contributor on Dante's kickoff returns.

[the Talking Can]

ROFL

someone put "Blaylock" and "1500 yards" in the same sentence....sounds like something a Donko fan would say......

[ExtremeChief]

IMO, when Holmes is on the bench, the back that you put in for him should be a different type of back that you can run different plays with, therefore running something the defense hasn't seen. With LJ, you can run more of a power type offense, with Blaylock, you basically have the same type of back as Priest, and probably wont be doing anything different.

KC will probably miss Blaylock on special teams, but I really think Wilson can step up and take his place. I do think that it may take awhile for them to 'gel' and for Dante to know exactly what Wilson or whoever his lead blocker is doing.

[C-Mac]

And Bob Dole is pretty sure you (and others) are undervaluing him.

Go back and watch return film and see how many times Blaylock threw a key block that sprung Hall. He had the speed and skill to run interference and take out a would-be tackler without slowing Hall down.

To anyone not repeating the "but LJ was a 1st round pick" mantra, Blaylock showed that he had the potential to be more than a "decent backup RB" in the KC offense, and Larry Johnson is a full season away from earning the label "stud running back."

How long did Blaylock last in free agency?

I liked Blaylock, but he is just not durable enough to be a starting back IMO. I also feel that the offensive line had much to do with his sucess which I think shall become more obvious in NY. He's more a Todd McNair type back. I've always felt that LJ was the type of back that could take it to the house anytime he touched the ball, kind of like TD, which is not what I felt with Blaylock or even Holmes of late. Blaylock was awesome at ST and hopefully someone like Hakim will help fill his spot.

[htismaqe]

Sorry, but the first rule of credibility is to spell the suject's name correctly.

[htismaqe]

NEW COACH:
Gantz believes Herman Edwards will get strong consideration as the next Chiefs head coach, for a couple of reasons. First, he says head coaches wear out their welcome very fast, even if they're winners. Most importantly, he says the Chiefs front office is enamored with Edwards. Al Saunders will be considered too HOWEVER... HOWEVER, Saunders Carl Peterson are the two primary parities in regards to the political in-fighting within the organziation. Gantz says the Saunders doesn't back down to Peterson, gets in his face and will tell him his ideas are wrong. They don't share the same philosophy in regards to player evaluations either. I got the strong impression, and Gantz feels this too, that Saunders would be the person to knock Peterson's ego sideways. So Gantz wouldn't be surpirsed if Saunders is passed over as Vermeil's successor.

I don't want Herman Edwards, PERIOD. Also, if Saunders is the one pulling the strings in talent evaluation, I don't want him either. The defense has been total shit since Marty left and the offensive picks all been headscratchers except for Carl's pick of Larry Johnson.

LARRY JOHNSON:
He says the Chiefs are very sorry Derrick Blaylock is gone. They say that Larry Johnson can't do nearly as many things as Blaylock. They must reconfigure a lot of packages minimize Johnson's short-comings. Gantz says Johson can run, but there's a lot more to the game than just running the rock.

I'm sure Vermeil IS sad Blaylock is gone. He always has a soft spot for guys that he can draft on Day 2 and turn into something. Doesn't mean anything as far as I'm concerned. Vermeil would be sad if Eric Hicks left too.

BOOMER GRIGSBY:
May be a starter. Gantz and I had fun talking about the MLB position, as does everyone else. Vermeil told him that Boomer is awesome and that Vermeil isn't letting on to how well this guy REALLY is to the media. Apparently, Boomer is ALWAYS, ALWAYS in position to make the tackle and his technique is flawless. Here's the funny part of our conversation, Gantz asked me why did Grigsby last until the 5th round. I'm like, DUHHHHH!!! He laughed like hell. Gantz and I both think the battle at MLB is between Boomer and Scanlon. He really likes Kawitka Mitchell but it doesn't seem like he's the answer. Everybody is caught up with Boomer's mentality and core toughness to play the position. I informed Gantz of Boomer's gymnastics background and he was even further impressed with the kid.

Good news.

KENDRELL BELL:
He's NOT healthy from what Vermeil shared with Gantz. Now I thought Bell came back to practice after straining his groin. Perhaps Vermeil is keeping his health undercover but Gantz' voice was noticably grim when talking about Bell's health.
I just hope he is 100 percent by training camp.

Not good news.

GANTZ:
We plan on bumping into each other at training camp because Vermeil asked him to address the team and Gantz is excited to do so. He and I both believe the Chiefs were brilliant in drafting the punter in the third round. Now, while we talked for about 20 minutes, his wife was smoothly filling the cart. She's a wonderful lady, very understanding of two football nuts talking Chiefs football at the deli counter.

Maybe somebody should remind this guy before he bumps into him again that his name is Frank Gansz.

[milkman]

Sorry, but the first rule of credibility is to spell the suject's name correctly.

What's the second rule?
How many rules are there?

:)

[htismaqe]

He knows its here.

And yet he's not posting here, even though it's one of the busiest fan sites on the net.

The other sites lack something that the Planet has -- skepticism.

[Frankie]

I take it to mean Boomer scored none to well on the Wonderlic and is not exactly the brightest bulb in the package.
Actually I heard he scored high.

[htismaqe]

You guys need to remember that Bob Dole picks "favorite" players based on where they came from geographically. It doesn't have anything to do with what he does or does not "see" in them. ;)

[milkman]

And yet he's not posting here, even though it's one of the busiest fan sites on the net.

The other sites lack something that the Planet has -- skepticism.

I remember Sheldon from his days on the Star, and he seemed like a pretty stand up guy to me.

I don't doubt that Ganz talked to him.

I doubt that Ganz is as up to date on his info that he leads Sheldon to believe.

And we know, of course, how credible that soldier is.

[BigRedChief]

And yet he's not posting here, even though it's one of the busiest fan sites on the net.

The other sites lack something that the Planet has -- skepticism.

Dat so true boss, dat so true. Disagreements are welcomed here. Different points of views are posted. Sometimes its ugly but the end product is not so ugly.:rolleyes:

[shaneo69]

And yet he's not posting here, even though it's one of the busiest fan sites on the net.

The other sites lack something that the Planet has -- skepticism.

Some would call it cynicism. ROFL

[Sparhawk]

Boomer scored higher on the wonderlic, as I recall, than any other LB in the draft.

[Frankie]

Herm Edwards.....god lord, can we quit with the Hackett loving Martyball bullshit forever please!!
AMEN!!

[InChiefsHell]

Boomer scored higher on the wonderlic, as I recall, than any other LB in the draft.

What the hell is a wonderlic? Sounds...pornographic...:spock:

[htismaqe]

I remember Sheldon from his days on the Star, and he seemed like a pretty stand up guy to me.

I don't doubt that Ganz talked to him.

I doubt that Ganz is as up to date on his info that he leads Sheldon to believe.

And we know, of course, how credible that soldier is.

I'm sure the guy is pretty stand up. I'm not trying to insinuate he's Nick Athan or anything. I don't doubt that Gansz talked to him at all. But like you, I'm guessing that Gansz is doing some hardcore speculation. Why would Vermeil say things like this to Frank if he knows Frank is going to run out and tell the first reporter he sees at a grocery store?

[shaneo69]

Quote from formerdb: "Here's the funny part of our conversation, Gantz asked me why did Grigsby last until the 5th round. I'm like, DUHHHHH!!! He laughed like hell. Now, while we talked for about 20 minutes, his wife was smoothly filling the cart. She's a wonderful lady, very understanding of two football nuts talking Chiefs football at the deli counter."

Gansz' wife was probably thinking, "I hope nobody figures out that I'm here with dumb and dumber."

[Frankie]

Watching Blaylock play. He doesn't have "it" in my opinion.
I bet nobody thought Priest had "it" before he got behind OUR O-line.

[htismaqe]

Dat so true boss, dat so true. Disagreements are welcomed here. Different points of views are posted. Sometimes its ugly but the end product is not so ugly.:rolleyes:

Was it necessary to roll your eyes?

It's true. We're MUCH harder on rumor, speculation, and opinion here than any other Chiefs board I've ever been too.

[B_Ambuehl]

As long as the offensive line coach stays I don't give a shit who the next head coach is. I will be pissed though if either Bill Cowher or Herm Edwards or somebody else comes in and fires all the assistants.

The o-line is the foundation of the chiefs team, just like the Broncos has been the last 9-10 years....it doesn't matter who you plug in there or what running back you have running behind you, or even whether you're an all pro lineman or a 7th round draft pick......you get in the system and spend a couple of years being coached correctly and learning the system and you're a dominant lineman.

[Phobia]

As long as the offensive line coach stays I don't give a shit who the next head coach is. I will be pissed though if either Bill Cowher or Herm Edwards or somebody else comes in and fires all the assistants.

The o-line is the foundation of the chiefs team, just like the Broncos has been the last 9-10 years....it doesn't matter who you plug in there or what running back you have running behind you, or even whether you're an all pro lineman or a 7th round draft pick......you get in the system and spend a couple of years being coached correctly and learning the system and you're a dominant lineman.

That's a pretty good take. It's slightly embellished, but that doesn't diminish the point. It's not hard to be a dominant lineman with Will Shields on one side and Willie Roaf on the other. Keep Solari no matter what it takes.

[milkman]

As long as the offensive line coach stays I don't give a shit who the next head coach is. I will be pissed though if either Bill Cowher or Herm Edwards or somebody else comes in and fires all the assistants.

The o-line is the foundation of the chiefs team, just like the Broncos has been the last 9-10 years....it doesn't matter who you plug in there or what running back you have running behind you, or even whether you're an all pro lineman or a 7th round draft pick......you get in the system and spend a couple of years being coached correctly and learning the system and you're a dominant lineman.

While the O-Line coach has done an outstanding job, to discount the importance of the HC is ridiculous.

For all of the the years of outstanding O-Line play, the decisions made by the HC have a huge impact on the success or failures of the team, as illustrated by Marty so frequently.

[Chiefnj]

BUMP!

Looks like the move was all set in stone as far back as the last off season.

[ChiTown]

BUMP!

Looks like the move was all set in stone as far back as the last off season.

Not to mention, we really miss having Blaylock in the backfield...........

[morphius]

BUMP!

Looks like the move was all set in stone as far back as the last off season.
No! Someone broke it last month!

[KCTitus]

Not to mention, we really miss having Blaylock in the backfield...........

And the much anticipated Scanlon/Grigsby battle for MLB.


Even after the fact, I think it was a pretty easy call to make. I cant say that Im suprised that Edwards got the job. I would have been more shocked had he not been given the job.

[The Bad Guy]

I'm definitely on the Edwards bandwagon. I love the guy. Plus he has KC connections.

Wow.

[ChiefsfaninPA]

I wonder if they think LJ still sucks.

[morphius]

Wow.
L M F A O!!! Nice find!

[Brock]

They say that Larry Johnson can't do nearly as many things as Blaylock.

you read things like this from the Chiefs own coaching staff, and it really makes you wonder how smart you have to be to be a coach.

[Brock]

Wow.

Oh, Holy Shit!

[Brock]

Herm is a good coach. I'd take him over Dick 4 Meal.


ROFL

[ChiTown]

Quote:Originally Posted by gochiefs
I'm definitely on the Edwards bandwagon. I love the guy. Plus he has KC connections.

Wow.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

Cybil?

[jspchief]

Awesome bump.


1. Makes a fool of Athan and his "I told you about Edwards 3 months ago" claims.

2. Makes a hypocrite of gochiefs, and makes his current act look even more like the pathetic ploys of an attention whore.

[ChiefsfaninPA]

you read things like this from the Chiefs own coaching staff, and it really makes you wonder how smart you have to be to be a coach.

It all had to do with loyalty and kissing arse. If you weren't sucking up you probably didn't get a chance unless they had no other recourse-a la LJ.

[tomahawk kid]

ROFL

That deserves serious consideration for it's own thread.

I knew that kid was grandstanding......

[KCTitus]

I take it gochiefs has been running around all weekend with his pants down screaming about how bad Herm Edwards is...

[ChiTown]

That deserves serious consideration for it's own thread.

I knew that kid was grandstanding......

ATTENTION WHORE

[morphius]

Oh, Holy Shit!
Just so it doesn't disappear with an edit, here is the screen shot...

[Cochise]

hahaahahahahahahaha

gochiefs owns himself 6 months ago

[jspchief]

I think that screen shot may have to be my new sig.

[morphius]

I think that screen shot may have to be my new sig.
I thought someone would need to do, LOL! Go for it.

[Skip Towne]

Gochiefs has disappeared into a spider hole. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[Bob Dole]

http://gochiefspwned.ytmnd.com/

[Frankie]

Wow.
Wow indeed!

[Dave]

Herm is a good coach. I'd take him over Dick 4 Meal.
ROFL

[dirk digler]

gonuts has been officially owned. ROFL

[Dave]

I'm definitely on the Edwards bandwagon. I love the guy. Plus he has KC connections.WoW!
ROFL :clap:

[Phobia]

This ownage isn't official until Titus says it's official.

I'm awaiting an official ruling.

[Dave]

Where's Titus? He'd be proud...

[tomahawk kid]

This ownage isn't official until Titus says it's official.

I'm awaiting an official ruling.


You guys hearing anything over there regarding Herm's assistants?

I know Maas has reported be won't be able to pick his own staff, but I find that hard to beleive.

If he is forced to bring back the entire defensive staff, I'm going to s#it.

[Skip Towne]

You guys hearing anything over there regarding Herm's assistants?

I know Maas has reported be won't be able to pick his own staff, but I find that hard to beleive.

If he is forced to bring back the entire defensive staff, I'm going to s#it.
I'll bet you do anyway.

[jspchief]

It's interesting to go back and read opinions on Edwards from this spring, and compare them to what's being said now.

Pretty much everyone has stuck to their guns, except gochiefs who has done a complete 180. ROFL

[Phobia]

We aren't hearing anything worth reporting yet. My personal feeling says Shea is offensive coordinator. Verduzco is gone. Solari retains his job. I don't know who would retain their defensive coaching position.

[tomahawk kid]

I'll bet you do anyway.

Probably, but it wouldn't be until later in the day.

:)

[Bob Dole]

This ownage isn't official until Titus says it's official.

I'm awaiting an official ruling.

Sorry. You no longer have any say whatsoever in what is or is not considered "official."

[Skip Towne]

Sorry. You no longer have any say whatsoever in what is or is not considered "official."
Hey, he's just being careful so he's not accused of making shit up.

[KCTitus]

This ownage isn't official until Titus says it's official.

I'm awaiting an official ruling.

Heh...I dont know that Im the arbiter of ownage, but a tip of the cap to Frank and Chiefnj for finding the quote and bringing the thread back up.

[Skip Towne]

So where is Gochiefs?

[luv]

Must not let this get to page two.

[Crush]

I'm definitely on the Edwards bandwagon. I love the guy. Plus he has KC connections.


ROFL ROFL ROFL

[phxchief]

PWNT

[InvinciBill]

This is too good to be true.

[NaptownChief]

That is pretty funny stuff....But to the little leg humpers credit it is prior to Herm tossing that 4-12 turd into the punch bowl. His 4 seasons leading into this one had him looking pretty good. Much like someone who might went into this last season fired up and wanting to sign Jamal Lewis to a fat free agent payday...If their team threw major money at him after this season that same person would proably have a big change of heart considering the terrible season he put up. Still quite funny nonetheless.

[luv]

That is pretty funny stuff....But to the little leg humpers credit it is prior to Herm tossing that 4-12 turd into the punch bowl. His 4 seasons leading into this one had him looking pretty good. Much like someone who might went into this last season fired up and wanting to sign Jamal Lewis to a fat free agent payday...If their team threw major money at him after this season that same person would proably have a big change of heart considering the terrible season he put up. Still quite funny nonetheless.
You're gonna judge a man's abilities based on one season?

[NaptownChief]

You're gonna judge a man's abilities based on one season?


Nope but it certainly factors in with all the others...and a 4-12 meltdown with a team most thought talented enough to be a Super Bowl contender certainly brings the average down a bit....especially when one of the previous four already had a 6-10 stinker in the mix.

[luv]

Nope but it certainly factors in with all the others...and a 4-12 meltdown with a team most thought talented enough to be a Super Bowl contender certainly brings the average down a bit....especially when one of the previous four already had a 6-10 stinker in the mix.
I see what you're saying, but I still don't see how one season can take someone from saying they like him to saying that they despise him.

[DoucheMcCloud]

We aren't hearing anything worth reporting yet. My personal feeling says Shea is offensive coordinator. Verduzco is gone. Solari retains his job. I don't know who would retain their defensive coaching position.

Hey Phobs,

I really hope that this isn't the case. Terry Shea has NEVER shown that he has the ability to coordinate a successful offense. He had an absolutely pathetic run at Rutgers University and even though the excuse can be made that "he didn't have much to work with", he was extremely unsuccessful in Chicago. Ron Turner took over essentially the same players (the exception of Jonathon Quinn for Kyle Orton) and turned Thomas Jones into a 1,300+ yards RB.

I'd rather see Norv Turner in the OC position if AS doesn't stick around. It would be great if there was anyone else out there as well versed in the Coryell offense, but I just don't think there is (and it's obvious that we can't get Cam Camerion and we don't want anyone associated with the Redskins and their lack of offense).

Please, not Terry Shea.

Dane

[jspchief]

he was extremely unsuccessful in Chicago. Ron Turner took over essentially the same players (the exception of Jonathon Quinn for Kyle Orton) and turned Thomas Jones into a 1,300+ yards RB.

If Jones had stayed healthy, he was on pace to get about 1200 last year. He missed several games, and when he returned they didn't give him the full load. They also didn't have Mushin Muhammed at WR.

He was given one year, with shitty QBs, shitty WRs, and a battered O-line. Not exactly a complete sample IMO.

[milkman]

Nope but it certainly factors in with all the others...and a 4-12 meltdown with a team most thought talented enough to be a Super Bowl contender certainly brings the average down a bit....especially when one of the previous four already had a 6-10 stinker in the mix.

I think I've been fairly consistent with my opinion on Hermie.

I didn't want him here back when this thread was originally posted to the planet, and I'm not happy with it now.

But, given the injuries to the Jets, especially at QB, even I would discount this last season as an abberration.

It's time to accept the inevitable.
Hermie is the Chiefs coach, and we, as bashers, need to move on and hope for the best.

[siberian khatru]

If Jones had stayed healthy, he was on pace to get about 1200 last year. He missed several games, and when he returned they didn't give him the full load. They also didn't have Mushin Muhammed at WR.

He was given one year, with shitty QBs, shitty WRs, and a battered O-line. Not exactly a complete sample IMO.

Ha, I just noticed your new sig, jsp. Nice find.

[NaptownChief]

But, given the injuries to the Jets, especially at QB, even I would discount this last season as an abberration.

.


Their QB mess certainly is legitimate reason for them to go from Super Bowl contenders to non contenders but flopping to 4-12 is a bit extreme...especially for a team that isn't driven by their offense and especially not driven by the passing game ie the Colts or the Pats. It explains failing form 12-4, 11-5 expectations and falling to 9-7 maybe 8-8 but 4-12 is inexcusable for a "Super Bowl Contender" unless half the team had gotten killed in a plane crash.

[DoucheMcCloud]

JSP,

Something was obviously missing or he wouldn't have been fired after just one season. The guy just doesn't have a good track record, regardless of injuries. I just hope he doesn't get a chance to prove me wrong.

Dane

[milkman]

Hey, I was just thinking about this.

In light of the tampering spuclation, and the fact that this was posted during the preseason, that dinner Carl had with Edwards before the season opener could raise the question of whether or not there was any agenda there.

[siberian khatru]

Their QB mess certainly is legitimate reason for them to go from Super Bowl contenders to non contenders but flopping to 4-12 is a bit extreme...especially for a team that isn't driven by their offense and especially not driven by the passing game ie the Colts or the Pats. It explains failing form 12-4, 11-5 expectations and falling to 9-7 maybe 8-8 but 4-12 is inexcusable for a "Super Bowl Contender" unless half the team had gotten killed in a plane crash.

They were playing their fourth-string QB, lost their C in October, RT in November and starting TE in November. And Curtis Martin missed the last 3-4 games. No way a team goes 9-7/8-8 with that kind of mess.

[milkman]

Their QB mess certainly is legitimate reason for them to go from Super Bowl contenders to non contenders but flopping to 4-12 is a bit extreme...especially for a team that isn't driven by their offense and especially not driven by the passing game ie the Colts or the Pats. It explains failing form 12-4, 11-5 expectations and falling to 9-7 maybe 8-8 but 4-12 is inexcusable for a "Super Bowl Contender" unless half the team had gotten killed in a plane crash.

Didn't he have as many as 10 starters out with injury, not to mention that he went through 5 QBs.

I'm not defending his overall record, but he can't really be assigned blame for an injury plagued season.

[alanm]

Awesome bump.


1. Makes a fool of Athan and his "I told you about Edwards 3 months ago" claims.

2. Makes a hypocrite of gochiefs, and makes his current act look even more like the pathetic ploys of an attention whore.
You think? I think GC goes which ever way the wind is blowing. :)

[NaptownChief]

They were playing their fourth-string QB, lost their C in October, RT in November and starting TE in November. And Curtis Martin missed the last 3-4 games. No way a team goes 9-7/8-8 with that kind of mess.


The didn't have any more injuries to fight through than NE.....As for Martin, he missed the last four games and 2 of their 4 wins came in that stretch.

The Bears had to fall back to a 3rd string rookie 4th rounder most of their season and grinded their way to the 2nd seed in the NFC.

Injuries hurt all teams and the Jets certainly had their share but nothing rose to the level of complete collapse IMO.

[jspchief]

Jets injuries this season: Darrell McClover, Marko Cavka, Andre Maddox, Chad Pennington, Jay Fielder, Derrick Blaylock, Kevin Mawae, Eric Barton, Chris Baker, Wayne Chrebet, Sione Pouha, Jason Fabini, Curtis Martin, Shaun Ellis & DeWayne Robertson. (courtesy ganggreen.com)

Their offense was decimated, which in turn put a ton of pressure on the D. Does it excuse 12 losses? I don't know. But it does excuse some of those losses.

[Skip Towne]

Throwing out last season, Herm's winning %age with the Jets was .546. Who else is available with that high a %age?

[NaptownChief]

Jets injuries this season: Darrell McClover, Marko Cavka, Andre Maddox, Chad Pennington, Jay Fielder, Derrick Blaylock, Kevin Mawae, Eric Barton, Chris Baker, Wayne Chrebet, Sione Pouha, Jason Fabini, Curtis Martin, Shaun Ellis & DeWayne Robertson. (courtesy ganggreen.com)

Their offense was decimated, which in turn put a ton of pressure on the D. Does it excuse 12 losses? I don't know. But it does excuse some of those losses.

It certainly excuses some...The injury list for the Pats is very long and distinguished also...Including their best player besides Brady for the entire year in Harrison. They found reasons to win rather than excuses to lose.

[siberian khatru]

It certainly excuses some...The injury list for the Pats is very long and distinguished also...Including their best player besides Brady for the entire year in Harrison. They found reasons to win rather than excuses to lose.

You're right, we should've hired Belichick.

[Ari Chi3fs]

Come on GoCHiefs... take your owning like a man!

[jspchief]

You're right, we should've hired Belichick.Exactly.

[NaptownChief]

You're right, we should've hired Belichick.


That we can certainly agree on...Only coach out there probably worth giving up draft pick compensation.

At least it isn't Jim Haslett, who the Jets are interviewing.

[Skip Towne]

It certainly excuses some...The injury list for the Pats is very long and distinguished also...Including their best player besides Brady for the entire year in Harrison. They found reasons to win rather than excuses to lose.
Sounds like better depth could explain that. And that could have to do with what the owner was willing to spend. Belechick did a miraulous job of fighting through injury and I'm sure I don't know all the reasons why he was able to do it.

[NaptownChief]

Sounds like better depth could explain that. And that could have to do with what the owner was willing to spend. Belechick did a miraulous job of fighting through injury and I'm sure I don't know all the reasons why he was able to do it.


Considering they wouldn't pay Ty Law while the Jets would tells me who is probably more willing to open the wallet between them...And the fact Bellichick was winning a Super Bowl last year with an old broken down WR and an undrafted college back up in the secondary tells me it probably isn't due to having extra talent stuffed away at depth.

Hell he had to pick up a waiver wire FB cut from Miami in Heath Evans and plug him in at starting RB one week cause Dillon, Faulk and Pass were all hurt. Tons of excuse why they could have failed.

[Simply Red]

That Blaylock part is bullshit, IMO. Anyone could see last year Johnson was clearly the better back.

I DO necessarily see it that way! Nice point...

[Bob Dole]

It shall not be lost.

http://gochiefspwned.ytmnd.com/

[phxchief]

To even compare the Jets' injuries to that of the Patriots is assinine.

Any time you have an injury, let alone MULTIPLE injuries at the QB position, few other teams can say they've been hurt as much.

That comparison would hold the slightest bit of weight had Tom Brady gone down in week one. Fortunately for New England, he didn't.

[frazod]

So where is Gochiefs?

Still hasn't showed up.

Of course, we know where he isn't:

At work
On a date
Apartment hunting

ROFL

[NaptownChief]

To even compare the Jets' injuries to that of the Patriots is assinine.

Any time you have an injury, let alone MULTIPLE injuries at the QB position, few other teams can say they've been hurt as much.

That comparison would hold the slightest bit of weight had Tom Brady gone down in week one. Fortunately for New England, he didn't.


Bears stuck in their 3rd string rookie 4th rounder who posted worse numbers than B.Bollinger and grinded out a #2 seed . To act like the Jets were the only one to get hit hard with injuries especially at QB is "assinine". Every team can come up with excuses as to why they fail in absolutely every season....the really good teams and coaches just refuse to do so.

[penguinz]

Bears stuck in their 3rd string rookie 4th rounder who posted worse numbers than B.Bollinger and grinded out a #2 seed . To act like the Jets were the only one to get hit hard with injuries especially at QB is "assinine". Every team can come up with excuses as to why they fail in absolutely every season....the really good teams and coaches just refuse to do so.
Piss poor argument. Look at the division the bears play in.

[NaptownChief]

Piss poor argument. Look at the division the bears play in.


Piss poor argument to try and bring division difference into a 4-12 versus 11-5 disparity.

[Skip Towne]

Piss poor argument. Look at the division the bears play in.
Annnd Naptown reaches once again. How assinine.

[penguinz]

You make it sound as though it is a common occurrence for a team to lose it's 3 top QB's and win the division and get a by. Name one other time this has happened.

Your argument is just plain dumb.

[The Bad Guy]

Bears stuck in their 3rd string rookie 4th rounder who posted worse numbers than B.Bollinger and grinded out a #2 seed . To act like the Jets were the only one to get hit hard with injuries especially at QB is "assinine". Every team can come up with excuses as to why they fail in absolutely every season....the really good teams and coaches just refuse to do so.

The Bears didn't lose their starting RB. 2 of their best offensive lineman. One starting linebacker.

You are really going out of your way to piss on Herm.

I've never seen a team win after losing their top 2 quarterbacks.

Never.

We get it already. You don't like Herm.

Since you have a Colts fathead in your office, you should just join their side. It seems everything is rosey there, and since you're miserable here, it just seems logical to denounce your fandom to the Chiefs.

If the Chiefs lost Green and Collins, they would be lucky to win 4 games.

[NaptownChief]

You make it sound as though it is a common occurrence for a team to lose it's 3 top QB's and win the division and get a by. Name one other time this has happened.

Your argument is just plain dumb.


About as common as coaches that go 4-12 and another team trades draft pick compensation to get them.


The argument is only as dumb as the guy trying to understand it. I'm not holding him to the standard that he should have won his division and obtained the #2 seed. I'm just saying that a complete collapse to a 4-12 record probably wouldn't happen with a really good coach. However the Bears example was a very good example of what appears to be a very good coach keeping his team from rolling over when forced into a bad situation at QB.

[kcfanXIII]

bears defesne is what got them the number 2 seed. it will also be what beats carolina this weekend, and seatle the next weekend. also, the jets lost more than just 2 qb's, also lost their running back, correct?

[The Bad Guy]

About as common as coaches that go 4-12 and another team trades draft pick compensation to get them.


The argument is only as dumb as the guy trying to understand it. I'm not holding him to the standard that he should have won his division and obtained the #2 seed. I'm just saying that a complete collapse to a 4-12 record probably wouldn't happen with a really good coach. However the Bears example was a very good example of what appears to be a very good coach keeping his team from rolling over when forced into a bad situation at QB.

Yeah, I've seen tons of good coaches lose their top 2 QBs, their 2 best offensive lineman, and a starting linebacker and really compete.

:rolleyes:

You don't know what would happen in that situation because I can't name a coach that has had to deal with just about every QB on the depth chart being lost for the season.

You're really fishing for reasons to hate Herm. The fact that he was 4-12 last year with the injuries shouldn't be one of them.

[NaptownChief]

The Bears didn't lose their starting RB. 2 of their best offensive lineman. One starting linebacker.

You are really going out of your way to piss on Herm.

I've never seen a team win after losing their top 2 quarterbacks.

Never.

We get it already. You don't like Herm.

Since you have a Colts fathead in your office, you should just join their side. It seems everything is rosey there, and since you're miserable here, it just seems logical to denounce your fandom to the Chiefs.

If the Chiefs lost Green and Collins, they would be lucky to win 4 games.


First off the Jets only lost Martin in the final 4 games and during that stretch they got 2 of their 4 wins...So that is hardly a factor.

The Bears did lose Thomas Jones for a couple games and then lost their primiary back up in Ced Benson. The also lost one of if not their biggest playmaker in Mike Brown and their #2 WR in Mark Bradley. Also lost an OLineman in that shooting range teammate scrum.

And the Bears were playing with their 3rd QB...Grossman went down and their number 2 sucked so bad(Hutchinson) that they tossed the ball over to the rookie.

The logical thing to do would have been to kick the Chiefs to the curb in 84 completely when the Colts came to town. But like the rest of you fools I've still continued to cheer for the NFL's 3rd most inept franchise year after year like the dumb loyal dog that I am.

[NaptownChief]

bears defesne is what got them the number 2 seed. it will also be what beats carolina this weekend, and seatle the next weekend. also, the jets lost more than just 2 qb's, also lost their running back, correct?


Duh....And who built that defense in just two years? The Coach Lovie Smith. Herm Average had an extra 3 years to do the same but seems to have not been able to get it done.

[The Bad Guy]

First off the Jets only lost Martin in the final 4 games and during that stretch they got 2 of their 4 wins...So that is hardly a factor.

The Bears did lose Thomas Jones for a couple games and then lost their primiary back up in Ced Benson. The also lost one of if not their biggest playmaker in Mike Brown and their #2 WR in Mark Bradley. Also lost an OLineman in that shooting range teammate scrum.

And the Bears were playing with their 3rd QB...Grossman went down and their number 2 sucked so bad(Hutchinson) that they tossed the ball over to the rookie.

The logical thing to do would have been to kick the Chiefs to the curb in 84 completely when the Colts came to town. But like the rest of you fools I've still continued to cheer for the NFL's 3rd most inept franchise year after year like the dumb loyal dog that I am.

Hutchinson wasn't their 2nd QB. He was cut before the season started.

You're really, really reaching for this argument.

Pennington/Fiedler >>>>> Grossman/Orton.

It's not even close.

Pennigton was one game away from the AFC Championship game before the season. Since the Jets didn't have the most dominant defense in the NFL last year, the comparison is irrevelant.

[NaptownChief]

Hutchinson wasn't their 2nd QB. He was cut before the season started.

You're really, really reaching for this argument.

Pennington/Fiedler >>>>> Grossman/Orton.

It's not even close.

Pennigton was one game away from the AFC Championship game before the season. Since the Jets didn't have the most dominant defense in the NFL last year, the comparison is irrevelant.


He was their number 2 but Grossman got hurt in the preseason which forced Hutchinson in the starting roll but sucked so bad they cut him. Hardly reaching.


The Pats had more injuries than the Jets plus had to replace their OC and DC before the season. But they didn't toss in the towel as really good coaches don't.

[NaptownChief]

Since the Jets didn't have the most dominant defense in the NFL last year, the comparison is irrevelant.

I thought that is why he is coming here cause he is a "defensive guy"? You telling me that their playoff success was because of Pennington and the 17th ranked offense and not their 4th ranked defense? Who is reaching?

[Bob Dole]

Still hasn't showed up.

Of course, we know where he isn't:

At work
On a date
Apartment hunting

ROFL

Bob Dole heard rumor that Jason Whitlock was holding a "shock journalism" seminar this week. He probably convinced his mom to fork over the registration fee.

[the Talking Can]

Just so it doesn't disappear with an edit, here is the screen shot...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=51395&stc=1


ROFL

:clap:

ROFL

[The Bad Guy]

He was their number 2 but Grossman got hurt in the preseason which forced Hutchinson in the starting roll but sucked so bad they cut him. Hardly reaching.


The Pats had more injuries than the Jets plus had to replace their OC and DC before the season. But they didn't toss in the towel as really good coaches don't.

Oh boy. Hutchinson was CUT before the season, how can he be the #2 quarterback when he wasn't even on the roster.

In that case, Bollinger was the 4th QB.

How many teams win with their 4th QB?

The Patriots replaced Romeo with Mangini, who is hardly some new guy on the block.

But yes, let's compare every coach to Belichick. In that case, no one would measure up.

If you're expecting Herm to be Bill then you are already setting him up to ultimately fail.

[Fruit Ninja]

Doesnt even matter if people dont like Herm Edwards, he is the coach, you all have to get over it, and have his back. If you dont, your not a Chiefs fan.

[Skip Towne]

I thought that is why he is coming here cause he is a "defensive guy"? You telling me that their playoff success was because of Pennington and the 17th ranked offense and not their 4th ranked defense? Who is reaching?
Keep it up Gochiefs...uh I mean Naptown. I'm having trouble telling you two apart.

[Branden Albert's Huge Balls]

I don't really care what I said six months ago. I was obviously ignorant to the horror that is Germ Edwards.

And it appears I'm already being proven right. Germ is Carl's puppet. He's as spineless as Gunther was/is.

[Skip Towne]

I don't really care what I said six months ago. I was obviously ignorant to the horror that is Germ Edwards.

And it appears I'm already being proven right. Germ is Carl's puppet. He's as spineless as Gunther was/is.
OK, waffler.