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Kerberos
06-15-2005, 07:16 PM
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/positional-rankings/OFF/QB

Green at #8 ????? Thats Bullsh!t ... I would put him before Brett Farve and Steve McNair. Farve is close to being done and McNair is a walking injury report for the last couple of years .... '

I don't get this at all .... Pricksco is a dick ... pun intended!


1. Peyton Manning, Colts How much more can he do from a statistical standpoint? Now it's time to win the ring.
2. Tom Brady, Patriots He doesn't put up big numbers, but he gets it done when it counts. The guy is a legitimate star.
3. Daunte Culpepper, Vikings If not for Manning's amazing season, we'd all be talking about what Culpepper did. Now comes the hard part: Doing it without Randy Moss.
4. Donovan McNabb, Eagles When he finally got a legitimate weapon in Terrell Owens we saw how good McNabb can be. He elevated his game last season.
5. Michael Vick, Falcons He's a magical player at times, but he has to improve his passing. When that happens, look out.
6. Brett Favre, Packers He can still make some amazing plays with his arm, but he's not the same player he was a few years back. But we're glad he's back for another season.
7. Steve McNair, Titans Injuries crippled him last season, but he decided to keep playing instead of retiring. He's lost some weight and he's healthy again. But his team is crumbling around him.
8. Trent Green, Chiefs He had another huge year in 2004 from a numbers standpoint. He knows how to move the chains.
9. Matt Hasselbeck, Seahawks He started slow in 2004, but he came on in the end. With a new, fat contract, he's the man in Seattle. With no more worries, he should play more relaxed.
10. Chad Pennington, Jets The one concern with Pennington is his rotator cuff injury. Will he get his velocity back? If not, the Jets are in trouble.



WTF?????




Pricksco = :whackit:




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Pants
06-15-2005, 07:18 PM
Ehh, I'd put him at 7.

bishop_74
06-15-2005, 07:18 PM
I think was posted yesterday, but in any case, I would assume once we get more than 1 winning season under our belt, we might have a few more cookies thrown our way. We unfortunatley have to deal with this until that time.

Coach
06-15-2005, 07:19 PM
Ehh, I'd put him at 7.

That's what I was thinking, either 6th or 7th. No way Vick should be that high. :shake:

No dis-respect to McNair, he's a good QB, but injuries keep getting the best out of home. McNair should be lower than Trent IMHO.

Taco John
06-15-2005, 07:21 PM
How did Green even make the list?

milkman
06-15-2005, 07:22 PM
That's what I was thinking, either 6th or 7th. No way Vick should be that high. :shake:

No dis-respect to McNair, he's a good QB, but injuries keep getting the best out of home. McNair should be lower than Trent IMHO.

Exactly my thinking.

Trent Green at #6.

milkman
06-15-2005, 07:23 PM
How did Green even make the list?

By making all of his passes with his right hand.

Kerberos
06-15-2005, 07:24 PM
How did Green even make the list?


Especially with a quarterback turned 70's retro pornstar like the roto rooter plumber boy still in action huh ????


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Coach
06-15-2005, 07:25 PM
How did Green even make the list?

Easy. Didn't miss a single game, Completed 66% of his passes, threw for 4,500+ yards, 27 TD's, and a QB rating of 95.2.

With those types of a numbers, you're pretty much in a top 10.

Taco John
06-15-2005, 07:32 PM
That's all fine and good... But I don't think many outside of KC buy the Trent Green myth... Just another parity quarterback...

Dawson4004
06-15-2005, 07:32 PM
5. Michael Vick, Falcons He's a magical player at times, but he has to improve his passing. When that happens, look out.

I am so tired of hearing about Vick being one of the best QBs in the league. you cant say "Magical at times" and needs to "improve passing"
at be a top tier QB...if and I say if he does do that then I can consider he in the top 10...but right now I put him around 11-15 range.

Pants
06-15-2005, 07:33 PM
That's all fine and good... But I don't think many outside of KC buy the Trent Green myth... Just another parity quarterback...

Who would you place above Trent and where would you have him?

Pants
06-15-2005, 07:34 PM
I am so tired of hearing about Vick being one of the best QBs in the league. you cant say "Magical at times" and needs to "improve passing"
at be a top tier QB...if and I say if he does do that then I can consider he in the top 10...but right now I put him around 11-15 range.

No Vick, Falcons = shit.
Vick, Falcons = in NFC Championship game.

Coach
06-15-2005, 07:35 PM
Who would you place above Trent and where would you have him?

This oughta be good.

Dawson4004
06-15-2005, 07:39 PM
Vick, Falcons = in NFC Championship game.

I am not saying he is not good, but not a top ten QB. He had a great D that year to help him out...its not like killed everyone they played, great D plus a couple good plays on O helped them get there.

Like I said good, no where near great yet.

Amnorix
06-15-2005, 07:40 PM
I am so tired of hearing about Vick being one of the best QBs in the league. you cant say "Magical at times" and needs to "improve passing"
at be a top tier QB...if and I say if he does do that then I can consider he in the top 10...but right now I put him around 11-15 range.

If that, his best year was a QB rating of like 81, and his average is like 78.

He's a better RB than QB, and that's going to be a problem if he doesn't get his passing game improved in a hurry.

Inspector
06-15-2005, 07:41 PM
How did Green even make the list?

Yeah, how did he get rated below Plummer?

Oh wait........

nevermind.

Pants
06-15-2005, 07:42 PM
I am not saying he is not good, but not a top ten QB. He had a great D that year to help him out...its not like killed everyone they played, great D plus a couple good plays on O helped them get there.

Like I said good, no where near great yet.

Yeah, like someone said, he's a runing back that can throw the ball. It depends on how we look at the "best QB"... he'd lose in a QB challenge to guys who can actually throw, but he defiantelly helps his team as their QB, A LOT.

Amnorix
06-15-2005, 07:42 PM
No Vick, Falcons = shit.
Vick, Falcons = in NFC Championship game.

Don't get carried away with this. Their defense was very good last year, and the NFC as a whole TOTALLY SUCKED.

The Falcons are about the 10-12th best team in the NFL, not the 4th...

Dawson4004
06-15-2005, 07:43 PM
There is no question right now that Trent is a better "QB" then Vick....Vick probably better "football player".

milkman
06-15-2005, 07:47 PM
There is no question right now that Trent is a better "QB" then Vick....Vick probably better "football player".

Vick is probably the best athlete to play the position, but as I said in another thread, until he learns to play QB, i.e. read defenses and make plays in the passing game, he's just another, more athletic Kordell Stewart.

Pants
06-15-2005, 07:48 PM
There is no question right now that Trent is a better "QB" then Vick....Vick probably better "football player".

Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at.

Amnorix
06-15-2005, 07:49 PM
There is no question right now that Trent is a better "QB" then Vick....Vick probably better "football player".

Not sure about that.

Vick is probably the best athlete in the NFL. But as a QB, he's got a ways to go. He'd drive a ball-control oriented guy like Belichick, Parcells, etc. absolutely bonkers.

Phobia
06-15-2005, 07:49 PM
I can't argue with #8, but I'd question why Vick is in the top 10. That's just silly.

Dawson4004
06-15-2005, 07:49 PM
Vick is probably the best athlete to play the position, but as I said in another thread, until he learns to play QB, i.e. read defenses and make plays in the passing game, he's just another, more athletic Kordell Stewart.

Thats about right, and I dont think he will ever learn how to read defenses...I think he will always make plays, passing and running, he just wont ever be a consistant QB. Just my opinion.

Mile High Mania
06-15-2005, 07:56 PM
Vick, McNair, Pennington and Hasselbeck do not belong on any top 10 QB lists....

Mile High Mania
06-15-2005, 08:00 PM
Green is definitely a top 10 QB... I have no issues saying that and it's no thanks to his receivers over the years, that's for damn sure.

I'm still laughing that Vick and Pennington are on this list... I was reading something yesterday that said Vick never completed more than 18 passes in 2004. It's all about the 3-headed rushing attack in ATL.

Douche Baggins
06-15-2005, 08:00 PM
Eh, who gives a shit. At the end of the day, our offense is awesome and so is our QB.

Dawson4004
06-15-2005, 08:00 PM
Vick, McNair, Pennington and Hasselbeck do not belong on any top 10 QB lists....

Pennington I think should be in the top 10, I think he might be one the most accurate QBs out there. McNair when healthy. Vick see above post. Hasselbeck shouldnt even sniff the top 10, 15-20 is where I would put him. Maybe 11-15, but he has to stop throwing to the opposite color jersey.

Mile High Mania
06-15-2005, 08:04 PM
Pennington I think should be in the top 10, I think he might be one the most accurate QBs out there. McNair when healthy. Vick see above post. Hasselbeck shouldnt even sniff the top 10, 15-20 is where I would put him. Maybe 11-15, but he has to stop throwing to the opposite color jersey.

Hmmm... sorry, that didn't push me over the top.

Dawson4004
06-15-2005, 08:07 PM
Hmmm... sorry, that didn't push me over the top.

Tell me what would? high completion %, low int numbers, high QB rating?

Mile High Mania
06-15-2005, 08:14 PM
Tell me what would? high completion %, low int numbers, high QB rating?

Consistent production at a high level... Pennington and Vick just don't have it. I don't have issues with McNair being talked about top 10, but injuries, age and the loss of guys like Mason are going to hurt him.

Coach
06-15-2005, 08:16 PM
Consistent production at a high level... Pennington and Vick just don't have it. I don't have issues with McNair being talked about top 10, but injuries, age and the loss of guys like Mason are going to hurt him.

I can agree with that. However, it'll also depend on the health of Chris Brown as well. If Brown put up big numbers, then that helps McNair alot.

I guess it depends on their offensive line. If they are bad, then McNair will be pretty much scrambling for his life.

Dawson4004
06-15-2005, 08:17 PM
I agree about McNair and Vick, but Pennington has a career QB rating of 93.7. Thats pretty good. Completion % of 65%, not to bad.

But not good enough to put him in the top 10?

Coach
06-15-2005, 08:19 PM
I agree about McNair and Vick, but Pennington has a career QB rating of 93.7. Thats pretty good. Completion % of 65%, not to bad.

But not good enough to put him in the top 10?

Well, to me, it's debateable. He had somewhat good success under Hackett, although not many people like Hackett and all. But now that he has a new offensive coordinator, it could hurt Pennington about the fact that he'll have to learn a brand new playbook with probably new terminology.

I guess also another factor is his shoulder injury that he had sufferend this past season. Is he 100% recovered from that? Only time will tell.

Dawson4004
06-15-2005, 08:22 PM
True, but so far I think he has proven to be a top ten QB. If he continues to be that is yet to be determined.

AirForceChief
06-15-2005, 08:23 PM
IMO, there's just not that much difference in the "top Ten" QBs...They're all outstanding. I would have Trent at #6 v. #8, moving Favre and McNair down respectively. But in the end, no biggie..

Frazod
06-15-2005, 08:24 PM
Ranks Vick as a Top 10 QB and criticizes his passing in the same sentence.

That should tell you all you need to know about Pricksco. :shake:

Kerberos
06-15-2005, 08:37 PM
That should tell you all you need to know about Pricksco. :shake:

YUP.....

Pricksco = :whackit:

suds79
06-15-2005, 08:44 PM
Putting Michael Vick in the top ten of QBs and then questioning his passing skills is like saying Joe Blow RB is one of the league's 10 best but his vision when running is poor. :shake:

When he learns how to pass watch out. Give me a break. Michael Vick can't pass for cr@p and at very best could become an average passer if that.

Tuckdaddy
06-15-2005, 11:42 PM
How come Plummer didn't make the list?

Probably the int's held him back.

Rausch
06-15-2005, 11:48 PM
While Favre has definitely lost a lot of his touch and physical skill I still would only take 2 QB's over him were I to start some imaginary expansion team (Brady and Manning.)

I can see Brady, Manning, Favre, and McNabb....but the rest?

Uh, no...

Tribal Warfare
06-16-2005, 01:49 AM
personally I'm not a real big Culpepper fan all he does is throw jump balls Even if Moss is gone he still has atheletic WRs with great heigh and jumping ability

Rausch
06-16-2005, 02:34 AM
Crotchpopper is the kind of QB that makes McNabb shake his head and answer stupid questions...

Wallcrawler
06-16-2005, 03:50 AM
I cant figure out how the quarterback of the highest scoring offense in the league for the past three years isnt any higher than 10 on this list.

Without Trent Green, this offense is in BIG trouble. If Johnnie Morton had not bitched up at the end of the year for the final 3 games, he very well could have reached the 1,000 yard mark receiving. That would have made THREE 1,000 yard receivers for the Chiefs offense. That to me is the mark of a GREAT quarterback, not having to simply rely on one bigtime playmaker to complete the passes.

Yeah, we have Priest and L.J., but without Trent Green this offense would not be close to producing the results that they have.

Had KC had a defense these past three seasons and not cost the Chiefs so many games, Im pretty sure Green would be ranked a lot higher on that list.


Vick is nothing. The falcons play in a weak ass conference, and they were all about the rushing attack. They led the league in total yards on the ground. Between Dunn, Duckett, and Vick, the coaching staff managed to overcome Vick's shortcomings as a passer. Just because he can run a little bit and hand the ball off a lot doesnt make him a top 10 QB.

Rausch
06-16-2005, 04:00 AM
I cant figure out how the quarterback of the highest scoring offense in the league for the past three years isnt any higher than 10 on this list.

Without Trent Green, this offense is in BIG trouble. If Johnnie Morton had not bitched up at the end of the year for the final 3 games, he very well could have reached the 1,000 yard mark receiving. That would have made THREE 1,000 yard receivers for the Chiefs offense. That to me is the mark of a GREAT quarterback, not having to simply rely on one bigtime playmaker to complete the passes.

Yeah, we have Priest and L.J., but without Trent Green this offense would not be close to producing the results that they have.

Had KC had a defense these past three seasons and not cost the Chiefs so many games, Im pretty sure Green would be ranked a lot higher on that list.


Vick is nothing. The falcons play in a weak ass conference, and they were all about the rushing attack. They led the league in total yards on the ground. Between Dunn, Duckett, and Vick, the coaching staff managed to overcome Vick's shortcomings as a passer. Just because he can run a little bit and hand the ball off a lot doesnt make him a top 10 QB.

Watching Wallcrawler evolve from drawn out expositon to more "Brock" style comments such as "Yeah, brilliant. You figure that out reading the KCS at 2 AM waiting in KCI?" will be fun...

I mean, good points, I agree.

But you really should hire a few clams and sit back...

Mile High Mania
06-16-2005, 05:20 AM
I cant figure out how the quarterback of the highest scoring offense in the league for the past three years isnt any higher than 10 on this list.

He was higher than 10... #8.

the Talking Can
06-16-2005, 05:45 AM
people still put Manning ahead of Brady?

what more can a guy do?

lawrenceRaider
06-16-2005, 06:06 AM
Vick is probably the best athlete to play the position, but as I said in another thread, until he learns to play QB, i.e. read defenses and make plays in the passing game, he's just another, more athletic Kordell Stewart.

EXACTLY!!!

chagrin
06-16-2005, 06:47 AM
That's what I was thinking, either 6th or 7th. No way Vick should be that high. :shake:

No dis-respect to McNair, he's a good QB, but injuries keep getting the best out of home. McNair should be lower than Trent IMHO.


I agree, Michael Vick ahead of Green? The whole world saw what happened last season when he was forced to use his arm to win the game, he sucks under pressure if he can't run! I don't know who this guy is, but he obviously needs therapy.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka
06-16-2005, 07:29 AM
That's all fine and good... But I don't think many outside of KC buy the Trent Green myth... Just another parity quarterback...


Trent Green myth?? Another parity QB? If Trent is both those things I would guess that makes Plummer just another version of Brian Greise. He should be good, you think he is good, has every thing going for him to be good but in the end he just sucks ass.


And everyone outside of KC can think what they want, we will take our "myth" of a QB watch him carve everyone up to the tune of 280 yards, 2TD's, 19-27, and a 90 rating every game. :toast:

ct
06-16-2005, 07:40 AM
Fine by me, he'll continue to slide in fantasy drafts, so I can get him again!

Dartgod
06-16-2005, 07:41 AM
How did Green even make the list?
That's all fine and good... But I don't think many outside of KC buy the Trent Green myth... Just another parity quarterback...
Who would you place above Trent and where would you have him?
Oh, TJ! Still waiting for you to enlighten us.







Not holding my breath....

mlyonsd
06-16-2005, 07:43 AM
Vick looked pretty good against the vaunted Chief defense.

What a joke.

RedNFeisty
06-16-2005, 07:48 AM
1.Peyton Manning, Colts How much more can he do from a statistical standpoint? Now it's time to win the ring.
2.Brett Favre, Packers He can still make some amazing plays with his arm, but he's not the same player he was a few years back. But we're glad he's back for another season.
3.Daunte Culpepper, Vikings If not for Manning's amazing season, we'd all be talking about what Culpepper did. Now comes the hard part: Doing it without Randy Moss.
4.Michael Vick, Falcons He's a magical player at times, but he has to improve his passing. When that happens, look out.
5.Trent Green, Chiefs He had another huge year in 2004 from a numbers standpoint. He knows how to move the chains.
6.Tom Brady, Patriots He doesn't put up big numbers, but he gets it done when it counts. The guy is a legitimate star.
7.Donovan McNabb, Eagles When he finally got a legitimate weapon in Terrell Owens we saw how good McNabb can be. He elevated his game last season.
8.Steve McNair, Titans Injuries crippled him last season, but he decided to keep playing instead of retiring. He's lost some weight and he's healthy again. But his team is crumbling around him.
9.Matt Hasselbeck, Seahawks He started slow in 2004, but he came on in the end. With a new, fat contract, he's the man in Seattle. With no more worries, he should play more relaxed.
10. Chad Pennington, Jets The one concern with Pennington is his rotator cuff injury. Will he get his velocity back? If not, the Jets are in trouble.

This is how it should have looked.

Coach
06-16-2005, 07:53 AM
Oh, TJ! Still waiting for you to enlighten us.






Not holding my breath....

Psh, he won't even bother. I know that Taco is a Broncos homer but to say that he would take Plummer over Green is utterly ridiculous.

Plummer is more less the laughing stock of the league right now among QBs. Even his boy Shannon Sharpe ripped him.

Duck Dog
06-16-2005, 07:53 AM
Vick shouldn't even be on that list. If it weren't for his wheels, he'd suck.

chagrin
06-16-2005, 07:55 AM
Taco John, dude. step outside of the Denver vs Chiefs rivalry for a second. go back to Trent's year in Washington:

14 games started
3441 Yards
23 TD 11 INT

Do you remember how shitty that team was? did you even watch anything other than Broncos games that year?

the next year in St. Louis, a team that NOBODY thought would be any good, with the exception of adding Marshall Faulk that year. He went 8 games and has already thrown for 2000 yds AND
16 TD's
5 INT's and had a QB rating of 101

Ahem, where's the myth dude? STFU

Lzen
06-16-2005, 07:56 AM
people still put Manning ahead of Brady?

what more can a guy do?

Winning games and especially winning championships isn't all about one guy, one postition. What if Manning was the QB of the Pats? Would we be talking about him having 3, 4, 5 titles right now?

The same argument can be used for Green. He's been saddled with an incomplete team since he's been in KC. It's not like he can go over to the defense and be the starting MLB in order to lead the defense.

Brady is a great QB, no doubt. But he's also been blessed by being on the most complete football team in the NFL the past 3 or 4 years.

Duck Dog
06-16-2005, 07:56 AM
Hell, Jake Delhoume is better than Hasslebeck, McNair and Pennington.

Lzen
06-16-2005, 07:59 AM
Taco John, dude. step outside of the Denver vs Chiefs rivalry for a second. go back to Trent's year in Washington:

14 games started
3441 Yards
23 TD 11 INT

Do you remember how shitty that team was? did you even watch anything other than Broncos games that year?

the next year in St. Louis, a team that NOBODY thought would be any good, with the exception of adding Marshall Faulk that year. He went 8 games and has already thrown for 2000 yds AND
16 TD's
5 INT's and had a QB rating of 101

Ahem, where's the myth dude? STFU

Umm, close. Actually, his first year in St. Louis he was 28-32 completions in the preseason (and 2 of those incompletions were drops by his receivers) until Rodney Harrson took out his knee. Then Kurt Warner took over and the rest is history. It was the next season that Warner had some injury issues and Trent got some signifigant playing time and produced those remarkable numbers that you posted. ;)

Mile High Mania
06-16-2005, 08:02 AM
Umm, close. Actually, his first year in St. Louis he was 28-32 completions in the preseason (and 2 of those incompletions were drops by his receivers) until Rodney Harrson took out his knee. Then Kurt Warner took over and the rest is history. It was the next season that Warner had some injury issues and Trent got some signifigant playing time and produced those remarkable numbers that you posted. ;)


Busted... good call.

Cochise
06-16-2005, 08:04 AM
1. Peyton Manning - Ok, fair enough.
2. Tom Brady - Can't mess with what the guy has done the last couple years either.
3. Daunte Culpepper - Overrated. Let's see him without Moss.
4. Donovan McNabb - Good when TO makes him look good. We saw his ability to carry the team in the playoffs.
5. Michael Vick - Anyone who thinks Vick is better than Green probably thinks they are watching rugby.
6. Brett Favre - Hang em up already.
7. Steve McNair - If this guy is ever healthy again I'll be surprised. Sorry, but 'toughness' (I guess even toughness on the sideline in your warmups while nursing your injuries is toughness all the same) does not equal touchdowns.
8. Trent Green

chagrin
06-16-2005, 08:08 AM
Busted... good call.


Busted what?

Because I missed the year by one? Big deal

My point was well made

:harumph:

Lzen
06-16-2005, 08:10 AM
Busted what?

Because I missed the year by one? Big deal

My point was well made

:harumph:

Your point was valid. Your facts were just a little off. I was just correcting the facts. No biggie. ;)

Mile High Mania
06-16-2005, 08:12 AM
Busted what?

Because I missed the year by one? Big deal

My point was well made

:harumph:

Yeah, you only missed it by one year, but tried to sell it by saying...

"the next year in St. Louis, a team that NOBODY thought would be any good, with the exception of adding Marshall Faulk that year. "

In reality, they were the defending world champs and had proven to be a scary offense prior to Trent having success when Warner went down. That's all.

Clint in Wichita
06-16-2005, 08:13 AM
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. McNabb
4. Culpepper
5. Green
6. Favre
7. McNair
8. Rothlisberger
9. Vick
10. Bulger

CoMoChief
06-16-2005, 08:18 AM
Trent is never high on any board really. He's probably the most underrated player in the NFL. He put up good numbers the past couple or few seasons and still never gets props for it. In a way it's good for me in my fantasy league because he always goes in the 6th round, which in my opinion is a HUGE steal.

CoMoChief
06-16-2005, 08:19 AM
Not only that but I refuse to read anything anymore by Prisco, I mean seriously, was that guy born in Oakland, or Denver, because he hates the Chiefs with a passion.

RedNFeisty
06-16-2005, 08:21 AM
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. McNabb
4. Culpepper
5. Green
6. Favre
7. McNair
8. Rothlisberger
9. Vick
10. Bulger
I forgot about Rothlisberger. Need to see how he comes out and performs this year to really get a good judge of the guys ablities in the NFL, last year could have been just luck.

chagrin
06-16-2005, 08:21 AM
Yeah, you only missed it by one year, but tried to sell it by saying...

"the next year in St. Louis, a team that NOBODY thought would be any good, with the exception of adding Marshall Faulk that year. "

In reality, they were the defending world champs and had proven to be a scary offense prior to Trent having success when Warner went down. That's all.


I tried to sell it with the STATS donkey! The bit that you mentioned was the real mistake of that particular section. Don't forget Washington dude.
:cuss:


:p

Mile High Mania
06-16-2005, 08:28 AM
I tried to sell it with the STATS donkey! The bit that you mentioned was the real mistake of that particular section. Don't forget Washington dude.
:cuss:

:p

Grab some java... read the paper.

chagrin
06-16-2005, 08:30 AM
I think that's the problem, I already had two cups of some particularly strong coffee this morning, don't do that much. I'm a bit jumpy this morning, sorry...

Mile High Mania
06-16-2005, 08:32 AM
Big Ben is not top 10 material after just 1 season. I mean, why wouldnt' you put Brees ahead of him... more experience, better production. Big Ben played well, but it's not as if they were asking him to go wild and win the games... they purposely and wisely built a game plan to hold him in check as a true rookie.

I'd rank Brees higher than Ben at this point and I am still interested in seeing him do it twice in a row as well.

Lzen
06-16-2005, 08:55 AM
Don't be too hard on Mile High, cha. Despite that fact that he's a fan of the evil Donks, he's not a bad guy. ;)

HC_Chief
06-16-2005, 10:35 AM
Green just doesn't get much love on the national scene, period. At that level, it's all about hype, rather than actual productivity. Case in point: Michal Vick being top-5 in nearly every national "expert's" list. :rolleyes:

Mile High Mania
06-16-2005, 10:36 AM
Don't be too hard on Mile High, cha. Despite that fact that he's a fan of the evil Donks, he's not a bad guy. ;)

Watch out... you could be hit with the same ray of light that zapped RainMan.

BigChiefFan
06-16-2005, 11:10 AM
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Daunte Culpepper
Trent Green
Drew Brees
Donovan McNabb
Steve McNair
Matt Hasslebeck

HC_Chief
06-16-2005, 11:12 AM
Brady (can't argue w/ the success he's had)
Manning
Green
Culpepper
McNabb

chagrin
06-16-2005, 11:40 AM
Watch out... you could be hit with the same ray of light that zapped RainMan.



I don't want to get into a whole seinfeld bit here, but the exclamation point didn't mean anything Donkey. I meant no harm...

Mile High Mania
06-16-2005, 11:42 AM
I don't want to get into a whole seind bit here, but the exclamation point didn't mean anything Donkey. I meant no harm...

No harm was taken... just having some fun.

plbrdude
06-16-2005, 11:53 AM
i'm biased i know but i put trent at a solid #3. Ifn we'd a defense the past couple years he'd be pushin the 1 spot.

Kerberos
06-16-2005, 12:11 PM
Brady (can't argue w/ the success he's had)
Manning
Green
Culpepper
McNabb


Ya Know ... I just don't think McNabb is that bad to be #5. I would actually put him in front of Green to tell you the truth.

McNabb doesn't have the O-line of KC or a Priest Holmes to run the ball. I don't put Westbrook in the same status of a running back compared to Holmes.

There are some different variables each way for both QB's but I just don't put McNabb at the bottom.

Brady
Manning
McNabb
Green
Culpepper

Maybe it's just me ???? But that is IMO.

:hmmm:

:)


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Pants
06-16-2005, 12:22 PM
This is how I'd go:

Manning
Green (put Green on NE, and see what happens)
McNabb
Brady (he's riding the team/system/coach)
Culpepper

Dartgod
06-16-2005, 12:23 PM
I've been away for awhile today. Has TJ been back to tell us who should be in the top ten instead of Green?

Douche Baggins
06-16-2005, 12:24 PM
I think you guys are all out of your gourds.

Brady
Manning
McNabb
Culpepper
Favre
Green

Pants
06-16-2005, 12:31 PM
I think you guys are all out of your gourds.

Brady
Manning
McNabb
Culpepper
Favre
Green

I serioulsy think Green is a better "QB" than Brady. They're pretty equal athleticism wise, neither breaks under pressure, both are very accurate and smart, but I haven't seen Brady play hurt - Trent took his shots like a man with those bad ribs.

BigChiefFan
06-16-2005, 12:59 PM
Tom Brady gets alot of hype, but he deserves it. Look at the WRs he has had and he's still delivered. The kid is deadly accurate and has the heart of a lion. He's got some intangiables that aren't measured by a stat. Talent wise, I think only Manning is better, but Brady wins hands down when it comes to heart and leadership.

Kerberos
06-16-2005, 01:01 PM
I think you guys are all out of your gourds.

Brady
Manning
McNabb
Culpepper
Favre
Green


Farve???? Farve?????

He's almost washed up enough to start doing Tide commercials!

And I don't put Culpepper in front of green either.

But hey that is IMO.


:)



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Lzen
06-16-2005, 01:02 PM
This is how I'd go:

Manning
Green (put Green on NE, and see what happens)
McNabb
Brady (he's riding the team/system/coach)
Culpepper

Looks about right to me. :thumb:

Kerberos
06-16-2005, 01:05 PM
I serioulsy think Green is a better "QB" than Brady. They're pretty equal athleticism wise, neither breaks under pressure, both are very accurate and smart, but I haven't seen Brady play hurt - Trent took his shots like a man with those bad ribs.


The only place I put Brady in front of most quarterbacks (not all) is in the hurry up offense and making quick decisions and improvising. He is probably close to being with Peyton in that respect.

The mans got 3 Rings in 4 years and that automatically puts him in the top3 not matter what IMO.



:)


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Pants
06-16-2005, 01:08 PM
The only place I put Brady in front of most quarterbacks (not all) is in the hurry up offense and making quick decisions and improvising. He is probably close to being with Peyton in that respect.

The mans got 3 Rings in 4 years and that automatically puts him in the top3 not matter what IMO.



:)


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The 3 rings argument... ehh, I don't know. I'm thinking that Trent would probably accomplish the same on that team, as would Manning. IMO, Manning is hands down the best QB in the league (hate to say that) and Brady doesn't come very close to him.

Douche Baggins
06-16-2005, 01:13 PM
Brady is better under pressure. Favre would make this offense SING behind our line and with a real tight end instead of that loser Bubba Franks.

the Talking Can
06-16-2005, 03:01 PM
Winning games and especially winning championships isn't all about one guy, one postition. What if Manning was the QB of the Pats? Would we be talking about him having 3, 4, 5 titles right now?

The same argument can be used for Green. He's been saddled with an incomplete team since he's been in KC. It's not like he can go over to the defense and be the starting MLB in order to lead the defense.

Brady is a great QB, no doubt. But he's also been blessed by being on the most complete football team in the NFL the past 3 or 4 years.

if wishes were fishes.....Brady has made huge plays in the clutch, Manning not so much....I guess you'd take Marino over Montana as well...

the Talking Can
06-16-2005, 03:02 PM
This is how I'd go:

Manning
Green (put Green on NE, and see what happens)
McNabb
Brady (he's riding the team/system/coach)
Culpepper

ROFL


wait, you're serious....

milkman
06-16-2005, 07:17 PM
The 3 rings argument... ehh, I don't know. I'm thinking that Trent would probably accomplish the same on that team, as would Manning. IMO, Manning is hands down the best QB in the league (hate to say that) and Brady doesn't come very close to him.

Manning has the most talent and smarts, but until he grows some nads when he gets pressured, he falls behind Brady on my list.

That is Manning's one weakness, but it's that weakness that Belechick exploits, and the primary reason that Manning and the Colts haven't been able to get past the Pats in the playoffs.