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ct
06-16-2005, 07:38 AM
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Posted on Thu, Jun. 16, 2005





Hakim joins Chiefs at practice

Wide receiver excited to be with KC

By ELIZABETH MERRILL

The Kansas City Star


The NFL Network wanted to talk to him. Grown men in Internet chat rooms wanted to see him.

Az-Zahir Hakim hiked his white socks up to his knees, put on Johnnie Mortons old No. 80 and went to his first practice as a Chief on Wednesday. And at the end of the workout, coach Dick Vermeil did his best to squash any Hakim hype, floating the possibility that his old friend might not even make the team.

I dont want to put too much pressure on him, Vermeil said. Let him take care of it. Let his performance on the practice field take care of it. And Im confident it will.

You want confidence? Hakim was halfway through his first interview session in Kansas City when he referred to himself in the third person. He talked about his seven weeks of unemployment, how he went home to San Diego after being cut by Detroit and had no doubt hed land with another NFL team.

He got up at 6:30 in the morning, six days a week, and worked out in the anticipation of a new job. He fired his agent and got a new one. He visited just two teams, Kansas City and New Orleans, because hes not a big tripper.

Im excited, Hakim said. I can play a spot role, I can play a regular role. I can just be myself.

A couple of hours after the Chiefs wrapped up their final nonmandatory workout Wednesday, offensive coordinator Al Saunders said Hakim will battle a slew of receivers for one of five spots on the roster. Saunders said Hakim possesses two major things the Chiefs look for in a receiver the abilities to separate and change direction.

Hakim, 28, also played for Saunders and Vermeil during their 1999 run to the Super Bowl championship in St. Louis, and hell bring some much-needed veteran leadership to the perimeter receiving corp.

When Morton was cut earlier this month, it left second-year receiver Samie Parker as the apparent starter. Richard Smith is also in his second season, and Craphonso Thorpe is a rookie.

Hakim had some of his best times with Saunders and Vermeil, who didnt ask him to be the No. 1 receiver. Then he went to Detroit, where he turned some heads by signing a huge contract that commanded top-receiver status.

With Hakims size hes 5 feet 10 and weighs 178 pounds hes not as successful as a 65-play receiver, Saunders said. Maybe thats why he had three injury-plagued seasons in Detroit before eventually being cut in late April.

In the two years I coached him, we had a great relationship, Saunders said. I really like him as a person. As a football player, he helped us win a world championship and he was more productive the following year. So my experience with Az is nothing but positive.

Hakim also spewed the positive words Wednesday, saying he had nothing bad to say about the Lions. He called quarterback Joey Harrington a great guy. He said he wished his old team the best.

It kind of hurt leaving, you know, Hakim said. But life goes on. Im a Chief now.

Hakim said hes completely healthy and feels no ill effects from the dislocated hip he suffered in 2002. He watched Wednesdays workout because Vermeil wanted to break him into the system. Hakim is already familiar with some of it from his days in St. Louis but admitted to Saunders after practice that he was surprised how much the terminology has changed.

And in some ways, Hakim has changed, too. Vermeil said hes more mature. Hakim signed a one-year deal for at or close to the veteran minimum, but coming to Kansas City, obviously, isnt just about the money.

Saunders said Hakim has a lot of pride. And conviction. He remembered how Hakim used to fearlessly cut through defenders as a punt returner for the Rams. He was as big to their return game, Saunders said, as Dante Hall is to the Chiefs.

I have something to prove every time I step on the field, regardless of where I was last year, Hakim said. Its about where I am today. I dont look back as far as what I did. I cant go back to the Super Bowl and tell you what I did in the two Super Bowls I played in.

I cant give you my statistics. Im not a statistic-type guy. I just come to play football, and this is what I love to do.

ROYC75
06-16-2005, 07:43 AM
5 plus a Dante, that makes 6......

nmt1
06-16-2005, 07:46 AM
Chiefs have normally carried 5 including Dante since Vermiel has been here. This is not huge news to me.

ct
06-16-2005, 07:46 AM
I hope so roy, would like to see Thorpe carried on the roster. Not sure he'd clear waivers.

Herzig
06-16-2005, 07:47 AM
5 plus a Dante, that makes 6......

Good point

Herzig
06-16-2005, 07:50 AM
Kennison
Parker
Hakim
Borighter
Thorpe/Smith

Chief Faithful
06-16-2005, 07:53 AM
I hope so roy, would like to see Thorpe carried on the roster. Not sure he'd clear waivers.

If they carry 6 WRs I believe it will be motivated by fear of Thorpe getting picked up by another team.

nmt1
06-16-2005, 07:53 AM
Kennison, Parker, Hall, and Thorpe are locks at WR. Borigter, Hakim, Smith and the camp fodder guys are on the bubble. They'll fight for the 5th spot.

Warrior5
06-16-2005, 08:05 AM
As much as I hate to admit it, Chris Horn's chances are extremely slim.

Cochise
06-16-2005, 08:06 AM
NoBo

John_Wayne
06-16-2005, 08:10 AM
Kennison
Parker
Hakim
Borighter
Thorpe/Smith

Here's my WR picks:
Kennison
Parker
Hakim
Boerigter
Smith

Hall - PR/KR

PS:
Thorpe
McIntyre

Cut:
Horn
Booth
Curry
....the rest

ptlyon
06-16-2005, 08:12 AM
Kennison
Parker
Hakim
Boerigter
Smith

Hall - PR/KR

PS:
Thorpe
McIntyre

Cut:
Horn
Booth
Curry
....the rest

This is what I would like to see. I guess it just depends on how Smith/Boe come back from injury.

Mr. Kotter
06-16-2005, 08:13 AM
5 plus a Dante, that makes 6......

Yup. That's my thought. Or hope? :hmmm:

shaneo69
06-16-2005, 08:30 AM
Kennison, Parker, Hall, and Thorpe are locks at WR. Borigter, Hakim, Smith and the camp fodder guys are on the bubble. They'll fight for the 5th spot.

I agree that they'll only keep 5 WR's, including Dante, but I think Hakim's a lock to make it as well. I think Crap and R. Smith will battle for the 5th spot after Kennison, Parker, Hakim, and Hall. It will probably come down to who they think they can hide on the practice squad.

I think Boerigter is gone.

TRR
06-16-2005, 08:33 AM
I could care less about Thorpe at this point. He hasn't been the same since the injury his Junior season. I realize he is a 4th round pick, but if he can't prove in TC that he is fully recovered, why keep him on the the team just because someone might grab him off the practice squad team?

Crow Thorpe is just as much of a project as Will Svitek is because of the injury.

ct
06-16-2005, 08:40 AM
Chiefs have normally carried 5 including Dante since Vermiel has been here. This is not huge news to me.

Just been a lot of discussion around here on 5 or 6, and who will they be. A published statement from Saunders was pretty solid (assuming that is in fact what he said).

So, if that 5 includes Dante, then:

Kennison, Parker, Hall - all locks.
Hakim seems a strong bet.
Leaves Thorpe, Bo, Smith, Horn as leading candidates for the final spot, and I'd lean towards Thorpe.

If it's 5 plus Dante, then I see Thorpe and Smith both making it, with Bo getting cut and Horn looking for offers before rejoining the PS.

Douche Baggins
06-16-2005, 08:42 AM
Kennison
Parker
Hakim
Hall

Final spot Boerigter/Thorpe/Smith/Horn with one or two of the losers going to the practice squad.

JimNasium
06-16-2005, 08:45 AM
Why is everyone sucking Thorpe's balls? He hasn't even taken a snap in a NFL game situation yet.

Douche Baggins
06-16-2005, 08:46 AM
Why is everyone sucking Thorpe's balls? He hasn't even taken a snap in a NFL game situation yet.

My thoughts exactly. I don't think he makes the 53-man roster, but a definite lock for the PS.

ct
06-16-2005, 08:46 AM
Why is everyone sucking Thorpe's balls? He hasn't even taken a snap in a NFL game situation yet.

Well neither has DJ. Is that your only criteria? Last comments I saw from DV was he was starting to pick it up well.

shaneo69
06-16-2005, 08:48 AM
I realize he is a 4th round pick, but if he can't prove in TC that he is fully recovered, why keep him on the the team just because someone might grab him off the practice squad team?

Because the Chiefs never use their 5th WR anyway. Samie Parker was the #5 last year and he didn't play until the last three games, when Johnnie Morton was inactive.

So it's not like keeping Thorpe as the #5 is going to be wasting a valuable roster spot.

JimNasium
06-16-2005, 08:49 AM
Well neither has DJ. Is that your only criteria? Last comments I saw from DV was he was starting to pick it up well.
D.J. is a highly decorated first round draft choice that is not coming in off of a serious leg injury.

Bwana
06-16-2005, 08:49 AM
As much as I hate to admit it, Chris Horn's chances are extremely slim.

I think you're right which is to bad. The only shot for him at this point IMHO is if a WR or two go down in camp or pre-season.

TEX
06-16-2005, 08:50 AM
Kennison, Parker, Hall, and Thorpe are locks at WR. Borigter, Hakim, Smith and the camp fodder guys are on the bubble. They'll fight for the 5th spot.


No way that Thorpe is a lock. The guy is a rookie and has much to learn. No way the Chiefs keep him on the active roster on potential alone. The guy has still not fully recovered from an injury. I'd say that Thorpe is on the bubble.

Douche Baggins
06-16-2005, 08:51 AM
I'm kinda pissed Horn probably won't make it. I like him alot.

shaneo69
06-16-2005, 08:54 AM
My thoughts exactly. I don't think he makes the 53-man roster, but a definite lock for the PS.


4th round picks don't make it to the PS. Last time DV tried it, George Layne was snagged by the Falcons. That's why we kept Samie Parker on the roster last year despite the fact that he wasn't ready to play yet.

Douche Baggins
06-16-2005, 08:55 AM
4th round picks don't make it to the PS. Last time DV tried it, George Layne was snagged by the Falcons. That's why we kept Samie Parker on the roster last year despite the fact that he wasn't ready to play yet.

I guess we can kiss Boerigter goodbye then.

shaneo69
06-16-2005, 08:56 AM
I'm hoping Kennison breaks his leg so that Chris Horn can make the team.

shaneo69
06-16-2005, 08:58 AM
I'm hoping that Samie Parker breaks his leg so that Marc Boerigter can make the team.

Douche Baggins
06-16-2005, 08:58 AM
I'm hoping that shane069 breaks his leg so we can unban RaidersRock.

wildcat09
06-16-2005, 09:01 AM
I'm hoping Kennison breaks his leg so that Chris Horn can make the team.


me too. i really like horn. he plays his ass off. he runs good routes and he is not afraid to block

Mr. Kotter
06-16-2005, 09:06 AM
I agree that they'll only keep 5 WR's, including Dante, but I think Hakim's a lock to make it as well. I think Crap and R. Smith will battle for the 5th spot after Kennison, Parker, Hakim, and Hall. It will probably come down to who they think they can hide on the practice squad.

I think Boerigter is gone.

Hall will be counted as a PK/KR, I suspect. He won't count among the five....unless they intend to carry 4 TEs or a Kick-Off specialist or somethin' like that.

Skip Towne
06-16-2005, 09:13 AM
If Borigter doesn't make it and Thorpe does will Go Bo have to change his username to Go Crap?

ptlyon
06-16-2005, 09:15 AM
I also think that Hakim will be kept because of his PR/KR abilities.

If Hall goes down to injury, he will be doing that job.

Infidel Goat
06-16-2005, 09:17 AM
Kennison
Hakim
Parker
Bo
Hall

If Hall counts as PR/KR, then I think Thorpe makes the squad. Otherwise, we try to get Thorpe on the practice squad.

Bo makes the squad because he's the closest thing we've got to a big/goal line WR.

--Infidel Goat

shaneo69
06-16-2005, 09:18 AM
Hall will be counted as a PK/KR, I suspect. He won't count among the five....unless they intend to carry 4 TEs or a Kick-Off specialist or somethin' like that.

What makes you think that? He wasn't counted as a PR/KR last year, so why would he this year? Vermiel already said he's not going to get less WR snaps. Last year we only had 2 TE's, yet we still only kept 5 WR's, including Hall. This year we'll have 3 TE's with Wilson on the roster, so I don't see why we'd carry 6 WR's.

ptlyon
06-16-2005, 09:20 AM
What makes you think that? He wasn't counted as a PR/KR last year, so why would he this year?

I think because of the injuries to the WR corps last year.

Line Judge
06-16-2005, 09:20 AM
quote:
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"No way that Thorpe is a lock. The guy is a rookie and has much to learn. No way the Chiefs keep him on the active roster on potential alone. The guy has still not fully recovered from an injury. I'd say that Thorpe is on the bubble"
---------------------------------------------

I have not seen one positive comment about Thorpe anywhere. On the other hand I have read several about Borigter including one glowing one from Trent Green.

BigChiefFan
06-16-2005, 09:22 AM
4th round picks don't make it to the PS. Last time DV tried it, George Layne was snagged by the Falcons. That's why we kept Samie Parker on the roster last year despite the fact that he wasn't ready to play yet.
I think Thorpe is a special circumstance. If he isn't fully healthy, not many teams would be willing to clear a roster spot for him, IMO. Remember when a team takes a PS player they MUST be part of the 53 man roster. With bigger PS squads(increase in number of players this year on the PS), I don't think as many teams will pick up PS squad players.

donkhater
06-16-2005, 09:27 AM
A team can keep 5 even 6 WR but if you aren't the #3 guy or higher you'd better be able to play special teams.

In Boerigter and Hall, we have to solid WR's that can play when called on and they are also stellar special teams players. IMO they are locks.

1-3?

Parker and Kennison are locks. the third spot all depends on if Hakim can play like he did in St. Loius.

Hakim
Smith
Thorpe

Thorpe is a 4th round pick. If he can't make the KC receiving squad, who on earth would pick him up and place them on their active roster? Remember, if a team signs someone off another team's practice squad, they MUST place him on the active roster. I just don't see a team grabbing a 4th round rookie and placing him on their roster. If they were that desparate for WR's they would've drafted him before the 4th.

Barring injury the opening day 5 will be:

Kennison
Parker
Hakim/Smith
Hall
Boerigter.

Bank on it.

HC_Chief
06-16-2005, 09:32 AM
Kennison, Hall, Parker = Locks
Hakim = highly probable

That leaves Boerigter (injury-prone), Smith (injury-prone), Thorpe (bad knee), Horn (solid, consistent but unspectacular receiver), Booth (looked good in NFLE), and McIntyre (meh) + a few other PS scrubs to fight for the last spot.

IMO Smith and Horn would be favorites. Both have shown the ability to consistently make plays when given the opportunity.

Braincase
06-16-2005, 09:32 AM
Thorpe would get snagged off the practice squad, Richard Smith wouldn't. Keep Thorpe and send Smith to the practice squad, and then see what happens. Maybe even cosider Thorpe for the PUP list if the Docs ascertain that he needs more time to rehab.

Douche Baggins
06-16-2005, 09:33 AM
How can you call Boerigter and Smith injury prone? Boerigter's had one injury as a Chief. Has Smith had ANY?

HC_Chief
06-16-2005, 09:35 AM
How can you call Boerigter and Smith injury prone? Boerigter's had one injury as a Chief. Has Smith had ANY?

:spock:
Bo has been injured twice, same with Smith

donkhater
06-16-2005, 09:35 AM
Thorpe would get snagged off the practice squad, Richard Smith wouldn't. Keep Thorpe and send Smith to the practice squad, and then see what happens. Maybe even cosider Thorpe for the PUP list if the Docs ascertain that he needs more time to rehab.
Who would snag a 4th round rookie WR off the Chiefs practice squad? KC NEEDS good WRs!!! If he can't make the team, no one is going to grab him and place him on their active roster. Teams are just like the Chiefs. If you can't play special teams, you'd better be one of the three best WR on the team. Thorpe will go to the practice squad where he'll be the entire year.

ct
06-16-2005, 09:36 AM
D.J. is a highly decorated first round draft choice that is not coming in off of a serious leg injury.

If he does prove he is fully recovered, both physically and mentally, then we'll have to carry him on the roster, although not necessarily active roster. Otherwise, nobody else will probably want him, and he would clear waivers for the PS where he would belong.

TEX
06-16-2005, 09:36 AM
:spock:
Bo has been injured twice, same with Smith

Twice? When? Are you referring to his appendix? If so, that's not a football related injury. :hmmm:

C-Mac
06-16-2005, 09:38 AM
Twice? When? Are you referring to his appendix? If so, that's not a football related injury. :hmmm:

Thank You

ptlyon
06-16-2005, 09:42 AM
And I'm not sure how Smith could have been injured twice as he broke his leg in the last game of the preseason last year.

Was there a second injury to Smith?

shaneo69
06-16-2005, 09:42 AM
This is a good debate.

I think the whole "Place Crap on the PS" issue really depends on whether the player likes KC and wants to stay here. It also probably depends on how much film other teams get on him from the preseason games. I was shocked that Indy grabbed Lilja last year. In 2001, Layne went to Atlanta and Sulfstead went to Cincy because he was from Ohio. Tough call.

But remember, Samie Parker missed all the OTA's last year due to his school graduating late, and then didn't hardly play in the preseason, yet we still kept him on the active roster. That's what makes me think they'll keep Crap on the roster.

HC_Chief
06-16-2005, 09:45 AM
Twice? When? Are you referring to his appendix? If so, that's not a football related injury. :hmmm:

Doesn't matter what it was... he is constantly injured. Since joining the team in 2003 He has not had one complete season. Three years, 31 receptions, on IR or inactive due to illness/injury at least twice. Blew his knee out last season. I'd say his chances of making the team are slim.

Cormac
06-16-2005, 09:46 AM
Without having read all the replies: If Boerigter is healthy, he'll make the team. Any team's back-up WRs are used mostly for special teams. If he hasn't lost a step (a big if at this point), he'll be welcomed back with open arms this season. We need him. He also has more raw ability as a WR than many of the other guys we're talking about, IMO.

I don't see Thorpe making the roster, and speaking of projects, Richard Smith is exhibit A.

I'd be happy with:
Kennison
Parker
Boerigter
Hall
Horn

Hakim makes the team if Dante can be carried as a "6th WR".

Thorpe and Smith on the PS.

donkhater
06-16-2005, 09:48 AM
This is a good debate.

I think the whole "Place Crap on the PS" issue really depends on whether the player likes KC and wants to stay here. It also probably depends on how much film other teams get on him from the preseason games. I was shocked that Indy grabbed Lilja last year. In 2001, Layne went to Atlanta and Sulfstead went to Cincy because he was from Ohio. Tough call.

But remember, Samie Parker missed all the OTA's last year due to his school graduating late, and then didn't hardly play in the preseason, yet we still kept him on the active roster. That's what makes me think they'll keep Crap on the roster.

I think if Boerigter were healthy, that would've been hard to do.

Kennison
Morton (injured)
Parker
Hall
Smith
Horn

Weren't those the opening day receivers? Smith outplayed Parker in the Preseason so sending him to the PS would've been tough.

When Morton came back from injury didn't Smith get knocked off the active roster? Or was it Horn?

shaneo69
06-16-2005, 09:49 AM
Thorpe would get snagged off the practice squad, Richard Smith wouldn't. Keep Thorpe and send Smith to the practice squad, and then see what happens. Maybe even cosider Thorpe for the PUP list if the Docs ascertain that he needs more time to rehab.

I wonder if that's why they didn't send Richard Smith to NFLE, because they didn't want other teams to get game film on him. At this point, Scanlon and Connot would probably be snagged if we tried to put them on the PS due to their good seasons in Europe. Not going to Europe helped Smith's hidability quotient.

SNR
06-16-2005, 10:06 AM
I don't want to see Crap Thorpe on this team if he's only on there because he's Crap Thorpe. If someone beats him out of a spot, I say tough and let him go. I'd rather not take the risk of having another Snoop lurking around for a few seasons

HC_Chief
06-16-2005, 10:08 AM
I don't want to see Crap Thorpe on this team if he's only on there because he's Crap Thorpe. If someone beats him out of a spot, I say tough and let him go. I'd rather not take the risk of having another Snoop lurking around for a few seasons

Damn straight! :thumb:

TEX
06-16-2005, 10:08 AM
Doesn't matter what it was... he is constantly injured. Since joining the team in 2003 He has not had one complete season. Three years, 31 receptions, on IR or inactive due to illness/injury at least twice. Blew his knee out last season. I'd say his chances of making the team are slim.


I see your point, but disagree on his chances.

nmt1
06-16-2005, 10:09 AM
No way that Thorpe is a lock. The guy is a rookie and has much to learn. No way the Chiefs keep him on the active roster on potential alone. The guy has still not fully recovered from an injury. I'd say that Thorpe is on the bubble.

Then why draft him?

HC_Chief
06-16-2005, 10:13 AM
I see your point, but disagree on his chances.

Understandable... however I've seen guys like him come & go; both for teams I support, and teams I've played for. They appear to have a ton of potential, but are constantly "gimpy" for one reason or another. After a while, that's how they're thought of: "that guy who's always hurt" rather than "that guy with a ton of potential". Concious or not, it counts against you with your team mates and the coaches.

keg in kc
06-16-2005, 10:14 AM
Then why draft him?There's nothing unusual about second day picks going on the practice squad.

I've seen people say they're worried about him clearing waivers, but I'm not sure why there'd be more risk of that for him than for anyone else at this point. I could see that as a worry if it was late August and he was tearing up camp, not in mid June before anyone's even put on pads. In fact, judging by our history with wide receivers that we draft, odds are he'll have some kind of an injury, say a hamstring, before the season begins. That seems to be a theme for us.

Brock
06-16-2005, 10:16 AM
Then why draft him?

There were no fullbacks available.

HC_Chief
06-16-2005, 10:19 AM
There were no fullbacks available.

Hey, we already addressed FB in free agency... Robert Holcombe, remember? :)

FringeNC
06-16-2005, 10:20 AM
I hope Smith makes the team. In the game he played, he got separation, but dropped the ball. That can be worked on, though. I think he has potential.

I think Boerighter will find it hard to make the team. Kris Wilson provides a big target over the middle.

C-Mac
06-16-2005, 10:23 AM
I hope Smith makes the team. In the game he played, he got separation, but dropped the ball. That can be worked on, though. I think he has potential.

I think Boerighter will find it hard to make the team. Kris Wilson provides a big target over the middle.

Agreed.
But if Boerighter goes back to form like he was last year, aint no way he gets cut, he was a monster last preseason.

Chief Faithful
06-16-2005, 10:26 AM
I also think that Hakim will be kept because of his PR/KR abilities.

If Hall goes down to injury, he will be doing that job.


Ptlyon is making a good point. Since DV's arrival is seems out WR roster has been decided more by injury then through competition. I see Hakim making the roster only if Hall goes down. If Bo cannot compete then Thorpe or Smith will make it. There are so many things that can happen it is good to know that there is more than enough WR talent starting the Pre-season, which is a new experience for Chiefs fans. In the end I believe only 5 WR's will be on the roster.

WR will be an exciting position to watch this summer.

ILChief
06-16-2005, 10:35 AM
Receivers:

Kennison
Parker
Hakim
Smith
Boerigter

Hall will be returner and maybe a few special offensive plays

Thorpe to the practice squad

Horn to the street

ct
06-16-2005, 10:37 AM
Ptlyon is making a good point. Since DV's arrival is seems out WR roster has been decided more by injury then through competition. I see Hakim making the roster only if Hall goes down. If Bo cannot compete then Thorpe or Smith will make it. There are so many things that can happen it is good to know that there is more than enough WR talent starting the Pre-season, which is a new experience for Chiefs fans. In the end I believe only 5 WR's will be on the roster.

WR will be an exciting position to watch this summer.

No way I want to see Hakim returning punts, dude has fumblaya back there.

TRR
06-16-2005, 10:41 AM
Kennison
Hakim
Parker
Boe
Hall

Thorpe, Horn, McIntyre and Smith are all on the outside looking in. Thorpe may make the squad if they consider Dante Hall as a "specialist", and not a WR. I'm not too sure that Thorpe would be snatched up off the PS as easily as some think. Just about every team in the league faces a tough decision at the WR position.

ROYC75
06-16-2005, 10:48 AM
Then why draft him?


Depth, PS ? Ya never know when a kid will make or won't make. The draft is crap shoot with kids.

Wile_E_Coyote
06-16-2005, 11:23 AM
so with the Chiefs history of WR injuries, drafting Thorpe, who spent last year coming off a major injury. They're ahead in the mandatory WR rehab department

Chiefaholic
06-16-2005, 01:16 PM
Last season Hall was considered one of out 5 WR's and I don't see it any different this year. Those of you hoping they'll designate a special position just for him are living in a dream world. Sure, it would be nice to see 5 WR PLUS Hall, but it's not realistic to think it'll happen. What's the purpose in making a special position for Daunte? We'de still have to cut a roster spot from another position reguardless of what term you use to describe Daunte.

Realistically, I'm expecting the 5 positions to fall like this...

1. Kennison
2. Hakim/Parker
3. Parker/Hakim
4. Boe
5. Hall

Thorpe will clear waivors and make the practice squad. If another team picks him up, they have to add him to their 52 man roster. So why would they take a chance on an unknown who won't have the opportunity to learn their system befor the regular season starts. Vermeil has stated to the media that he's raw and needs to work on fundamentals. I don't have much doubt he'll clear waivers.

Horn and Smith are riding the fence. They'll have to have one hell of a training camp/preseason, or reley on an injury to make the roster over Boe.

go bowe
06-16-2005, 01:36 PM
If Borigter doesn't make it and Thorpe does will Go Bo have to change his username to Go Crap?i was thinking more along the lines of bo gone... :( :( :(

go bowe
06-16-2005, 01:37 PM
Kennison
Hakim
Parker
Bo
Hall

If Hall counts as PR/KR, then I think Thorpe makes the squad. Otherwise, we try to get Thorpe on the practice squad.

Bo makes the squad because he's the closest thing we've got to a big/goal line WR.

--Infidel Goatand don't forget his skills on the kicking teams...

Spicy McHaggis
06-16-2005, 01:40 PM
Crow Thorpe is just as much of a project as Will Svitek is because of the injury.

If it weren't for Rich Scanlon, Svitek would be the local god around here.

Hydrae
06-16-2005, 01:49 PM
Bo makes the team if healthy simply due to his abilites as a gunner on special teams. I think we really missed him in that roll last year.

Kennison
Parker
Hakim
Bo
Hall

Thorpe will have to go the the practice squad as will Smith. Too bad about Smith though, I agree with several others, this kid has a future, we can only hope it is here. Horn will be on the street looking for another chance elsewhere along with Boothe, Curry and MacIntyre (sp?).

penguinz
06-16-2005, 03:09 PM
And I'm not sure how Smith could have been injured twice as he broke his leg in the last game of the preseason last year.

Was there a second injury to Smith?He did not break his leg in the last game of preseason.

huskerdooz
06-16-2005, 06:44 PM
I could care less about Thorpe at this point. He hasn't been the same since the injury his Junior season. I realize he is a 4th round pick, but if he can't prove in TC that he is fully recovered, why keep him on the the team just because someone might grab him off the practice squad team?

Crow Thorpe is just as much of a project as Will Svitek is because of the injury.

If he's not completely healthy, I think that they will try and stash Thorpe on IR.

Rudy lost the toss
06-16-2005, 06:50 PM
If he's not completely healthy, I think that they will try and stash Thorpe on IR.
Thorpe is healthy enough to play...it just sounds like he is suffering from Jerome Woods syndrome

SNR
06-16-2005, 08:51 PM
IIRC, Smith did see the field once or twice during the regular season

Chiefs Pantalones
06-16-2005, 09:24 PM
I see the Chiefs passing the ball more this preseason to pick out who they think should be the 5 WRs.

Chiefaholic
06-16-2005, 09:39 PM
On this team, if you're not good enough to be a starter, you'de better be a solid special teams player. Despite what many of you think, Hall WILL be considered a WR on the roster. Reguardless of what designation he's refeered to, we'de still have to cut a LB, DE, CB, etc to make room for him. It's not going to happen, it didn't last year, or the year befor. So I see no reason why it would this year.

Barring injury the top 3 receivers will be..

1. Kennison
2. Hakim/Parker
3. Parker/Hakim

Beyond that you need to be a solid Special Teamer to make the squad. Obviously, Hall fits that designation. And the only other standout on Special Teams currently on the roster of Boe. Assuming Mark looks anything like he did befor the injury, he's almost guaranteed a roster spot.

Smith and Thorp will be designated to the practice squad. Both of these guys are raw and relativly unknown. I seriously doubt any NFL team will pick them up and put them on their roster. It just doesn't make sense to pick them up when they have their own developmental players who already know the scheme.

I hate to see Horn go, and wish him the best of luck. But, he's the least talented of any of the guys listed above with the possible exception of Crap.

go bowe
06-16-2005, 10:16 PM
bo appreciates all the confidence that you real fans have in him...

as to the rest of you... :moon: :moon: :moon: