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siberian khatru
06-18-2005, 08:56 PM
Heard John Clayton on ESPN radio this evening saying that Az Hakim's change of heart really hurts the Chiefs. Said FredEx isn't anywhere near the same receiver, and that if it means Dante taking more snaps on offense, KC is in trouble. He and Jerry Fontenot were also making fun of Mitchell's KC press conference, particularly his "I have Super Bowl experience" line.

FWIW.

BigMeatballDave
06-18-2005, 09:00 PM
Clayton is moron for saying this. As if Az has done anything notable...

Pants
06-18-2005, 09:06 PM
Look at Hakim's numbers in the slot in 1999 and 2000. He could have done the same things for us.

This sucks.

BigChiefFan
06-18-2005, 09:09 PM
Our entire season doesn't hinge on whether or not a career dome player made the team or not. We have plenty of WRs that are ready to make a contribution. Hakim would have been nice, but after seeing the WRS we have, I'm so so sure he would made the team anyway.

Frankie
06-18-2005, 09:38 PM
Frankly I'm hoping one of our young'ns will beat FM out of the final roster anyway. I don't think that's too unrealistic. I had the same hope about Az.

the Talking Can
06-18-2005, 09:51 PM
I agree. Hakim was the perfect insurance policy for Dante and our WR core.

Freddie Mitchell is a worthless piece of shit.

Miles
06-18-2005, 10:00 PM
I would have liked to have had them both...but oh well. Mitchell is younger and doesnt have the injury history that Az has had.

the Talking Can
06-18-2005, 10:04 PM
I would have liked to have had them both...but oh well. Mitchell is younger and doesnt have the injury history that Az has had.

I'm younger and don't have the injury history either.

I'm also a better WR than Mitchell.

Chiefs Pantalones
06-18-2005, 10:34 PM
Of course they are going to bag on KC and Mitchell. Not just because Mitchell is a terrible WR, but because no one is allowed to say anything bad about the national media-loved Donovan "I choked in the biggest game of my career" McNabb.

beavis
06-18-2005, 11:02 PM
I'm younger and don't have the injury history either.

I'm also a better WR than Mitchell.
I bet you have almost as many NFL receptions as he does.

Reaper16
06-18-2005, 11:08 PM
Clayton and Co. dump on Chiefs

In related news, it turns out Darth vader is actually Luke's dad.

Reaper16
06-18-2005, 11:08 PM
I bet you have almost as many NFL receptions as he does.

But not the Superbowl experience!

beavis
06-18-2005, 11:10 PM
In related news, it turns out Darth vader is actually Luke's dad.
Actually, Clayton is usually swinging from Vermeil's johnson.

whoman69
06-18-2005, 11:12 PM
We probably deserve the criticism, but I am doubtful as to how much more a contribution that Az Hakim would make in comparison to Dante and Boe. Let's not leave Horn out of the mix as I feel he is our surest handed receiver. I feel that if FredEx does not make the team, that the receivers we have are considered superior to him, the stronger our team will be. I have to doubt how much Fred's 0 catch "Super Bowl experience is going to aid our team. While he did have 8 catches in the playoffs, when push came to shove, he disappeared. Only wish his mouth would.

Rausch
06-18-2005, 11:18 PM
Uh, Fred-ex sucks.

While Az-whatever isn't all that either he's still a much better WR, though far from a make-or-break player...

tk13
06-18-2005, 11:19 PM
I would have liked to have had them both...but oh well. Mitchell is younger and doesnt have the injury history that Az has had.
I'm not sure, but I don't think Mitchell is but one year younger than Az-Hakim, a minimal difference... just hasn't done as much in the league....

C-Mac
06-19-2005, 12:06 AM
From what I saw today in the recievers..... I have checked that off my worry list.

Chiefs Pantalones
06-19-2005, 12:19 AM
From what I saw today in the recievers..... I have checked that off my worry list.

I don't know, man.

There's a major difference between mini-camp, and a game. The games are what count, so I won't be relieved until I see the selected 5 WRs produce in a regular season game (and hopefully playoffs and Super Bowl).

Ultra Peanut
06-19-2005, 12:22 AM
Ahem.

Ultra Peanut
06-19-2005, 03:47 AM
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tk13
06-19-2005, 03:57 AM
We don't need no stinkin' receivers. Put three TE's on the field and run the damn ball! Power I! Maryland I! Jumbo formations! Toss power traps! Some booms, whaps, and bams! Enough of this rock'em sock'em offense BS. Dr. Naismith didn't want no forward passes, let's play the game without this space age crap, get those leather helmets back out! Rich Scanlon don't need no head protection. He don't need no thought control. A dark back spasm in the backfield. He won't leave your QB alone.

dilligaf
06-19-2005, 05:59 AM
But not the Superbowl experience!
ROFL

Ultra Peanut
06-19-2005, 08:40 AM
EXPIRIENCE!

Ultra Peanut
06-19-2005, 08:40 AM
That's gotta be added to the lexicon.

Manila-Chief
06-19-2005, 09:02 AM
I read the article today talking about Fredex's blocking ability. Could that be the talent that will earn him a roster spot. This offense does require a WR to block.

Clayton is wrong on this issue. Az didn't want to be in K.C. and his attitude would not have helped us win.

I, also, hope FredEx doesn't make the team. That will mean the young WR's we have are better than expected.

Chris Meck
06-19-2005, 12:18 PM
Naismith invented BASKETBALL, not football.

And I don't think Mitchell makes the team. Hakim would've, but only because of his ability to back up Dante in the return game if needed.

I'm SO not worried about our WR situation; it's time for the young guys to step up, and there's every inclination that they're up to it. This is how you build a team, guys.

ChiefsCountry
06-19-2005, 12:38 PM
Everybody is bashing this signing, but the Chiefs normally do a good job of taking trash and making it worth something. A change of scenery, good coaching staff could be good for FredEx. If he comes in works hard, keeps quiet then we might have a deal. He has some talent, he just needs to prove it.

TRR
06-19-2005, 12:50 PM
Naismith invented BASKETBALL, not football.

And I don't think Mitchell makes the team. Hakim would've, but only because of his ability to back up Dante in the return game if needed.

I'm SO not worried about our WR situation; it's time for the young guys to step up, and there's every inclination that they're up to it. This is how you build a team, guys.

I disagree whole heartedly. Freddie Mitchell will make the team. And I just don't see how you could possibly say that our young WR's are ready to step up. Why? Because they looked good catching the ball in shorts and T's?

Ultra Peanut
06-19-2005, 12:53 PM
I disagree whole heartedly. Freddie Mitchell will make the team. And I just don't see how you could possibly say that our young WR's are ready to step up. Why? Because they looked good catching the ball in shorts and T's?Freddie Mitchell is worthless, but Richard Smith is a superstar-in-waiting!

I have really high hopes for Samie, liked Bo's production before the injuries, and think Cro can eventually do some really nice things, but it's ridiculous to dog a guy like Mitchell while hyping up the largely-unproven bunch that's supposedly so much better than him.

TRR
06-19-2005, 12:59 PM
Freddie Mitchell is worthless, but Richard Smith is a superstar-in-waiting!

I have really high hopes for Samie, liked Bo's production before the injuries, and think Cro can eventually do some really nice things, but it's ridiculous to dog a guy like Mitchell while hyping up the largely-unproven bunch that's supposedly so much better than him.

Exactly right. Richard Smith choked when the real lights turned on, Jeric McIntyre was the 4th best WR on his NFL Europe team, Cro Thorpe is still coming back from injury, and Samie Parker has played in a total of 4 NFL games.

Mitchell will make the team, and I think there's even a very good chance he starts opposite Eddie Kennison.

milkman
06-19-2005, 01:26 PM
Naismith invented BASKETBALL, not football.

Right.
I think Skip invented football. :)

milkman
06-19-2005, 01:29 PM
Freddie Mitchell is worthless, but Richard Smith is a superstar-in-waiting!

I have really high hopes for Samie, liked Bo's production before the injuries, and think Cro can eventually do some really nice things, but it's ridiculous to dog a guy like Mitchell while hyping up the largely-unproven bunch that's supposedly so much better than him.

Why?
I'll hype the young guys that haven't proven anything because at least we know that there's still a chance that they can turn out to be good NFL receivers.

Mitchell, on the other hand is a proven commodity, which is that he is a nearly useless piece of crap.

Ultra Peanut
06-19-2005, 01:35 PM
Mitchell, on the other hand is a proven commodity, which is that he is a nearly useless piece of crap.A nearly useless piece of crap that still put up better numbers last year than Samie Parker, Marc Boerigter, Richard Smith, Jeris McIntyre, and Dante Hall combined.

Ultra Peanut
06-19-2005, 01:46 PM
Also, while promoting the value of the unknown...

1996 St. Louis Rams 15 14 54 924 17.1 77 9 12 4 34
1997 St. Louis Rams 14 9 25 404 16.2 76 0 4 2 18
1998 St. Louis Rams 16 13 17 234 13.8 45 1 2 2 14
1999 New Orleans Saints 16 16 61 835 13.7 90 4 11 2 34
2000 Chicago Bears 16 10 55 549 10.0 26 2 8 0 29

5 seasons, 2,946 yds, 16 TDs

2001 Kansas City Chiefs 13 7 31 491 15.8 65 1 7 4 17
2002 Kansas City Chiefs 16 14 53 906 17.1 64 2 16 3 44
2003 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 56 853 15.2 51 5 11 3 43
2004 Kansas City Chiefs 14 14 62 1086 17.5 70 8 18 6 47

4 seasons, 3,336 yds, 16 TDs

Eddie Kennison's receiving numbers, before and after coming to KC. Who's to say Mitchell won't improve, as well?

We don't know how the young gunnas will do. We don't know how Mitchell will do in our system.

For $540,000 of someone else's money, I'm willing to take the risk and see what happens.

ILChief
06-19-2005, 01:51 PM
Why?
I'll hype the young guys that haven't proven anything because at least we know that there's still a chance that they can turn out to be good NFL receivers.

Mitchell, on the other hand is a proven commodity, which is that he is a nearly useless piece of crap.

Mitchell is younger than Boerigter and Dante.

milkman
06-19-2005, 01:52 PM
A nearly useless piece of crap that still put up better numbers last year than Samie Parker, Marc Boerigter, Richard Smith, Jeris McIntyre, and Dante Hall combined.

In 16 games, he had 13 more catches and about 140 more yards than Samie Parker in 3 games, who was out with an injury for most of the year.

Boe was out all season, but as rookie, he had how many TDs? 3?
Mitchell has 5 for his entire 4 year career.

Richard Smith wasn't ready for primetime, but after a season to mature, he might be now.

McIntrye is a scrub, so I'm not even adding him to the mix, though I would expect even he could outplay CrapEx.

And Dante is a returner.
He should only be the 5th receiver.

As I said in another thread, if CrapEx beats out Parker and Boe, then they need to find another profession, because clearly they suck worse than any could have imagined.

milkman
06-19-2005, 01:57 PM
Also, while promoting the value of the unknown...

1996 St. Louis Rams 15 14 54 924 17.1 77 9 12 4 34
1997 St. Louis Rams 14 9 25 404 16.2 76 0 4 2 18
1998 St. Louis Rams 16 13 17 234 13.8 45 1 2 2 14
1999 New Orleans Saints 16 16 61 835 13.7 90 4 11 2 34
2000 Chicago Bears 16 10 55 549 10.0 26 2 8 0 29

5 seasons, 2,946 yds, 16 TDs

2001 Kansas City Chiefs 13 7 31 491 15.8 65 1 7 4 17
2002 Kansas City Chiefs 16 14 53 906 17.1 64 2 16 3 44
2003 Kansas City Chiefs 16 16 56 853 15.2 51 5 11 3 43
2004 Kansas City Chiefs 14 14 62 1086 17.5 70 8 18 6 47

4 seasons, 3,336 yds, 16 TDs

Eddie Kennison's receiving numbers, before and after coming to KC. Who's to say Mitchell won't improve, as well?

We don't know how the young gunnas will do. We don't know how Mitchell will do in our system.

For $540,000 of someone else's money, I'm willing to take the risk and see what happens.

Eddie did have a couple of good seasons prior to joining KC, so he had shown that he could play.

CrapEx hasn't done a damn thing.

In the end, it doesn't matter, cause it ain't gonna hurt any having sit on the bench as the #4, or to cut him, if he can't cut it.