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beer bacon
06-23-2005, 03:06 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/columnist/2005-06-22-inside-scoop_x.htm

Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham is the latest coach planning the 3-4 scheme as a sub package. Cunningham plans to implement the 3-4 in likely passing downs to maximize Kansas City's improved defensive speed.

I like the sound of this. Who do you think would normally be out there on defense in these situations?

tk13
06-23-2005, 03:08 AM
Where'd they get that from? That's the first I've seen of that.

beer bacon
06-23-2005, 03:10 AM
Where'd they get that from? That's the first I've seen of that.

The USA Today has sources man. Sources!

Pants
06-23-2005, 03:20 AM
Key Fox gonna fuk u up!!!

tk13
06-23-2005, 03:26 AM
The USA Today has sources man. Sources!
Yeeeeaaaah! Sources! I say let's make Ryan Sims a middle linebacker! Yeeeeaaaah! [/Howard Dean]

DaWolf
06-23-2005, 06:10 AM
Sounds like he's really looking to get Bell involved in the defense and rushing the QB...

Swanman
06-23-2005, 07:49 AM
I've got an idea that's a million times better than running the 3-4. When the opposing team has a 3rd and 5 or more, we'll line up in a 4-3 and at the snap both of our defensive ends will drop 30 yards back into pass coverage. That's gotta work, right?

JimNasium
06-23-2005, 07:50 AM
Falcon.

Saulbadguy
06-23-2005, 07:52 AM
Should do a 4-4 Package.

eazyb81
06-23-2005, 07:55 AM
If Siavii has developed enough since last year, we have the makings of a pretty dominant 3-4 group. I've always thought that we would implement some 3-4 once we signed Bell, we definately have the personnel to do it. This is good news to me!

Bob Dole
06-23-2005, 07:57 AM
I've got an idea that's a million times better than running the 3-4. When the opposing team has a 3rd and 5 or more, we'll line up in a 4-3 and at the snap both of our defensive ends will drop 30 yards back into pass coverage. That's gotta work, right?

You had your chance, Greg.

Rukdafaidas
06-23-2005, 07:57 AM
Should do a 4-4 Package.
Heh, I was thinking 1-6 package. :)

ROYC75
06-23-2005, 08:02 AM
If Siavii has developed enough since last year, we have the makings of a pretty dominant 3-4 group. I've always thought that we would implement some 3-4 once we signed Bell, we definately have the personnel to do it. This is good news to me!

Parker doesn't think so.......I don't either, something we do agree on.

Our DL is a big question mark....If Siavii/Sims/Dalton/Browning becomes animals, OK, I can see it. But keep inmind, we are lacking is quality DE's that are good containment and run stoppers, guys who can take on 2 blockers, same goes for the DT's.

I think we have the speed and players who can tackle in out LB's ( keeping a fingers crossed Mitchell can tackle )

I'm just not sold on the DE's and DT's for a 3-4.

JimNasium
06-23-2005, 08:03 AM
Heh, I was thinking 1-6 package. :)
NO doubt. Then we could get Scanlon, Grigsby, D.J., Mitchell, Fox, and Bell on the field at the same time.

Rukdafaidas
06-23-2005, 08:11 AM
NO doubt. Then we could get Scanlon, Grigsby, D.J., Mitchell, Fox, and Bell on the field at the same time.
How about 0-7, then we could get Fujita as well?

Chiefnj
06-23-2005, 08:13 AM
Parker doesn't think so.......I don't either, something we do agree on.

Our DL is a big question mark....If Siavii/Sims/Dalton/Browning becomes animals, OK, I can see it. But keep inmind, we are lacking is quality DE's that are good containment and run stoppers, guys who can take on 2 blockers, same goes for the DT's.

I think we have the speed and players who can tackle in out LB's ( keeping a fingers crossed Mitchell can tackle )

I'm just not sold on the DE's and DT's for a 3-4.

They might be able to get by with Hicks - Dalton - Browning as a base line for 5-10 snaps a game. Any pressure would have to be generated from one of the LB's blitzing.

DaWolf
06-23-2005, 08:25 AM
NO doubt. Then we could get Scanlon, Grigsby, D.J., Mitchell, Fox, and Bell on the field at the same time.

I'd just send Scanlon out there and give the rest of the defense a day off...

cmh6476
06-23-2005, 08:34 AM
DE Browning
DT Sims/ Junior
DE Allen/ Hicks

OLB Stills
ILB Bell
ILB Mitchell
OLB Johnson

:thumb:

Coach
06-23-2005, 08:37 AM
Not sure how the DL will look like, but I'm guessing it'll look like this. :shrug:

DE Browning/Hall
DT Junior/Sims
DE Allen/Hicks

As for the LB's, this is probably the route that Gunther might go for.

OLB Fox
ILB Bell
ILB Mitchell
OLB Johnson

Radar Chief
06-23-2005, 08:38 AM
They might be able to get by with Hicks - Dalton - Browning as a base line for 5-10 snaps a game. Any pressure would have to be generated from one of the LB's blitzing.

Pretty much the same goes for our base 4-3 also.

morphius
06-23-2005, 08:41 AM
I like the idea of changing things up a bit, keep the O guessing.

cmh6476
06-23-2005, 08:44 AM
I think if we go 3-4, we put Gary Stills in at OLB because of his speed and his ability to get to the QB.

I can really see Gun using him like he used to use DT. as a pass rush specialist only! :thumb:

KChiefs1
06-23-2005, 08:46 AM
DE Browning/Hall
DT Junior/Sims
DE Allen/Hicks

As for the LB's, this is probably the route that Gunther might go for.

OLB Fox
ILB Bell
ILB Mitchell
OLB Johnson

:clap:

Lzen
06-23-2005, 08:53 AM
DE Browning/ Hall
DT Junior/ Sims
DE Allen/ Hicks

OLB Fox/Stills
ILB Bell/Scanlon
ILB Mitchell/Scanlon
OLB Johnson/Fujita

:thumb:

Here, I fixed it. ;)

Chiefnj
06-23-2005, 09:04 AM
Pretty much the same goes for our base 4-3 also.

Statistically the DL did pretty well #'s wise with sacks last year.

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 09:18 AM
The 3-4 makes sense from a LB perspective, we could get Bell, Johnson, Mitchell, and Fox all on the field at the same time.

The problem is that we don't have the tackles to do it very often. Dalton and Siavii are 4-3 NT but not really 2-gap players, and we all know how bad Sims is...

JimNasium
06-23-2005, 09:22 AM
The 3-4 makes sense from a LB perspective, we could get Bell, Johnson, Mitchell, and Fox all on the field at the same time.

The problem is that we don't have the tackles to do it very often. Dalton and Siavii are 4-3 NT but not really 2-gap players, and we all know how bad Sims is...
We also don't have the DE's to pull it off.

Mr. Kotter
06-23-2005, 09:24 AM
I like this idea; if we have the personnel....I love the 3-4....this would be.....

Radar Chief
06-23-2005, 09:25 AM
Statistically the DL did pretty well #'s wise with sacks last year.

From what I remember, ‘bout the only one get’n any pressure was Allen. It seems I remember Dalton get’n some solo tackles, but the rest were amazingly unspectacular. Course this is just from memory, and considering the season we had some of my memory was foggy later that day. :BLVD: ;)

Mr. Kotter
06-23-2005, 09:27 AM
The 3-4 makes sense from a LB perspective, we could get Bell, Johnson, Mitchell, and Fox all on the field at the same time.

The problem is that we don't have the tackles to do it very often. Dalton and Siavii are 4-3 NT but not really 2-gap players, and we all know how bad Sims is...

I think we might be able to put Bell in at a DE to do a DT immitation on 3rd down passing situations--with Savii at DT? .... :hmmm:

The Front Seven would be:

Johnson - Mitchell -Fox/Fujita - Bell (in a three pt on the DL)

Browning/Hicks - Siavii - Allen


:)

Radar Chief
06-23-2005, 09:28 AM
We also don't have the DE's to pull it off.

Browning can play DE and would probably fit this scheme, the ? would be at the other end position I’d think.

JimNasium
06-23-2005, 09:30 AM
I like this idea; if we have the personnel....I love the 3-4....this would be.....
Greatest HIts? WTF is The Sweet?

Radar Chief
06-23-2005, 09:30 AM
I think we might be able to put Bell in at a DE to do a DT immitation on 3rd down passing situations--with Savii at DT? .... :hmmm:

In a 3-4? Bad idea.
I like the idea of him play’n “Falcon” but he’s way to light for DE in that formation.

Mr. Kotter
06-23-2005, 09:31 AM
Greatest HIts? WTF is The Sweet?

Sweet, dude....just "SWEET!" :p

Mr. Kotter
06-23-2005, 09:32 AM
In a 3-4? Bad idea.
I like the idea of him play’n “Falcon” but he’s way to light for DE in that formation.

"Falcon" is just a bastardized 3-4. :shrug:

PastorMikH
06-23-2005, 09:34 AM
We also don't have the DE's to pull it off.

That's crazy man. We have Hicks! Hicks I tell you. He could play both positions at the same time! Why, he's so good that he ought to be considered for the Hall of Fame as a player - it's a tragedy to wait until he's retired for 5 years. If you don't believe me about Hicks, just ask DV!



:)

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 09:34 AM
We also don't have the DE's to pull it off.

I've often thought that Hicks was better suited for a 3-4.

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 09:36 AM
I think we might be able to put Bell in at a DE to do a DT immitation on 3rd down passing situations--with Savii at DT? .... :hmmm:

The Front Seven would be:

Johnson - Mitchell -Fox/Fujita - Bell (in a three pt on the DL)

Browning/Hicks - Siavii - Allen


:)

Siavii is a 1-gap player. He's really not strong enough to play NT in a 3-4.

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 09:37 AM
"Falcon" is just a bastardized 3-4. :shrug:

IIRC, the Falcon had 4 down linemen AND DT.

Mr. Kotter
06-23-2005, 09:37 AM
Siavii is a 1-gap player. He's really not strong enough to play NT in a 3-4.

I know, but I'd give it a look....maybe Hicks at DE, with Browning in the middle would work better... :hmmm:

Mr. Kotter
06-23-2005, 09:39 AM
IIRC, the Falcon had 4 down linemen AND DT.

I don't recall, now that you say that.... :hmmm:

Radar Chief
06-23-2005, 09:44 AM
IIRC, the Falcon had 4 down linemen AND DT.

I thought it was from the 3-4 and DT roamed the line and rushed the QB from whereever he could get the best rush from.

Mr. Kotter,
As a full time DE, with his hand on the ground, I’d think that’d get Bell hurt in the 3-4 formation.

whoman69
06-23-2005, 09:48 AM
I've got an idea that's a million times better than running the 3-4. When the opposing team has a 3rd and 5 or more, we'll line up in a 4-3 and at the snap both of our defensive ends will drop 30 yards back into pass coverage. That's gotta work, right?
Word is that Syracuse is going to use something like that.

I always thought a 4-2-5 would be the best scheme against the pass.

Radar Chief
06-23-2005, 09:51 AM
Word is that Syracuse is going to use something like that.

I always thought a 4-2-5 would be the best scheme against the pass.

Considering that pretty much describes the Nickel, you’d be 'bout
right. ;)

TRing
06-23-2005, 09:53 AM
I always thought a 4-2-5 would be the best scheme against the pass.

Wouldn't that be the Nickel??

TRing
06-23-2005, 09:53 AM
Good call radar chief

C-Mac
06-23-2005, 09:55 AM
You had your chance, Greg.

grob

shaneo69
06-23-2005, 09:55 AM
I'd probably try to get Hicks, Siavii, and Sims on the field together as starters, with Allen, Wilkerson, Browning, and Hall as backups.

At LB, I'd have DJ and Fox/Fujita on the outside, with Bell and Mitchell at ILB, and Boomer, Scanlon, Caver, and Fox/Fujita as backups.

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 09:56 AM
I thought it was from the 3-4 and DT roamed the line and rushed the QB from whereever he could get the best rush from.

Mr. Kotter,
As a full time DE, with his hand on the ground, I’d think that’d get Bell hurt in the 3-4 formation.

I'm pretty sure we used 4 down linemen in addition to Derrick.

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 09:57 AM
I'd probably try to get Hicks, Siavii, and Sims on the field together as starters, with Allen, Wilkerson, Browning, and Hall as backups.

At LB, I'd have DJ and Fox/Fujita on the outside, with Bell and Mitchell at ILB, and Boomer, Scanlon, Caver, and Fox/Fujita as backups.

That would probably be best, but that line scares the shit out of me.

TRing
06-23-2005, 10:00 AM
So we are definitely getting Fujita back before the season starts? If so that is crazy that our leading tackler from a year ago is going to be backing somebody up. If he is healthy why not start him where ya'll think Fox is going to start?

I know that everybody is high on Key Fox, but with most unproven 2nd year players, I'll believe it when i see it. (hopefully i'll see it)

keg in kc
06-23-2005, 10:00 AM
Great. Gun watched a lot of tape from '01 - '03 and said to himself "jesus effin christ, that there spinner package looks grrrreat". Whee.

shaneo69
06-23-2005, 10:07 AM
I'm pretty sure we used 4 down linemen in addition to Derrick.


They switched back and forth so often it's hard to keep track. From 89-91, they played a straight 3-4 and he was always an OLB. After that, they played a 4-3 each year except '97, and he was either a DE or OLB depending on where they needed him most.

In '97, Gunther went to a 3-4 and DT played OLB, unless you heard Carl Peterson arguing to the franchise player committee that Dan Williams was a DT instead of a DE (in order to get the lower franchise dollar amount). If Williams was a DT as Carl claimed, then Derrick played DE. If Williams was a DE as he claimed, then Derrick played OLB. Personally, I thought Derrick played OLB that year.

shaneo69
06-23-2005, 10:09 AM
That would probably be best, but that line scares the shit out of me.

Yeah, me too. But then again, those guys don't impress me as a 4-3 line either.

Mr. Laz
06-23-2005, 10:34 AM
i like the idea but i see no "source" or no evidence of any kind that they have freakin' clue what they are talking about.

TRing
06-23-2005, 10:39 AM
Ya I'm not real big on our line in either the 4-3 or the 3-4. But the thing is I could be. it seems as though the coaches trust these guys. If Allen doesn't get content with the season he had last year, Hicks and Sims step up to play to their ability, and Siavii plays good this year, then yes we are definitely alright, but i guess we will have to wait for the answers on these questions.

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 10:40 AM
i like the idea but i see no "source" or no evidence of any kind that they have freakin' clue what they are talking about.

Yeah, it was mentioned earlier in the thread that it looks like they just pulled this out of their ass...

jspchief
06-23-2005, 10:54 AM
i like the idea but i see no "source" or no evidence of any kind that they have freakin' clue what they are talking about.I guess I consider USA Today legit enough to assume they have a source. It is odd that no one else has heard this though.

TRing
06-23-2005, 11:10 AM
They just said what a lot of people were thinking. No but seriously you would think USA today would have somebody that they got this from. I dont think thats something that they would just throw in there.

RedThat
06-23-2005, 11:19 AM
Parker doesn't think so.......I don't either, something we do agree on.

Our DL is a big question mark....If Siavii/Sims/Dalton/Browning becomes animals, OK, I can see it. But keep inmind, we are lacking is quality DE's that are good containment and run stoppers, guys who can take on 2 blockers, same goes for the DT's.

I think we have the speed and players who can tackle in out LB's ( keeping a fingers crossed Mitchell can tackle )

I'm just not sold on the DE's and DT's for a 3-4.


:clap: :clap: very well said Roy. Couldn't agree with you more. Yeah, I don't think we have the DL to run a 3-4 defense. Our DE's are not good run stoppers. I'm high on Jared Allen, but, his run defense is pourous, and he is a bit small. Definately, not the DE we want in a 3-4. Eric hicks we all know, and don't care to elaborate on him. Our DT's are simply not big enough, nor strong enough to play in a 3-4. With the exception of Siavii, each and everyone of our DT's are slighy over 300lbs or a little under 300lbs. It is not only the size, but, the fact that most of our DT's are not 2 gap players, and only 1 gap players.
I wish we signed Keith Traylor. A DT like that, is well suited for a 3-4. I think we have the LB's to run a 3-4. Maybe we should try a 4-4?

ChiefGator
06-23-2005, 11:20 AM
I thought I remembered Gun saying that just after the draft. That we would play SOME downs with 3-4... but not ALL passing downs or anything like that. Just that he had flexibility to do that.

Sorry I'm not going to bother trying to find it, but I really did think this was already known.

HC_Chief
06-23-2005, 11:22 AM
What, no more "spinner"? C'mon, the 2 down-lineman, everyone else run around like a complete frickin idiot play has been shelved?! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 11:22 AM
:clap: :clap: very well said Roy. Couldn't agree with you more. Yeah, I don't think we have the DL to run a 3-4 defense. Our DE's are not good run stoppers. I'm high on Jared Allen, but, his run defense is pourous, and he is a bit small. Definately, not the DE we want in a 3-4. Eric hicks we all know, and don't care to elaborate on him. Our DT's are simply not big enough, nor strong enough to play in a 3-4. With the exception of Siavii, each and everyone of our DT's are slighy over 300lbs or a little under 300lbs. It is not only the size, but, the fact that most of our DT's are not 2 gap players, and only 1 gap players.
I wish we signed Keith Traylor. A DT like that, is well suited for a 3-4. I think we have the LB's to run a 3-4. Maybe we should try a 4-4?Hicks is a damn good run stopper and Allen has bulked up and been working on run containment. Our LBers are better than our D-Line and we have two Nose tackles in Savaii and Dalton. We could run the 3-4, Maybe not as effective as the Pats, but our LBing speed could pull it off.

RedThat
06-23-2005, 11:28 AM
Hicks is a damn good run stopper and Allen has bulked up and been working on run containment. Our LBers are better than our D-Line and we have two Nose tackles in Savaii and Dalton. We could run the 3-4, Maybe not as effective as the Pats, but our LBing speed could pull it off.

where did you get this information on Allen? Last pic I saw of him recently looks like he hasn't been hitting the gym/working out. Looks like he's been partying and drinking beer. Dude looks like he's developing a beer gut.

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 11:32 AM
where did you get this information on Allen? Last pic I saw of him recently looks like he hasn't been hitting the gym/working out. Looks like he's been partying and drinking beer. Dude looks like he's developing a beer gut.I saw him in person at the practice, plus it was reported that he had bulked up to 280 lbs on the radio.

keg in kc
06-23-2005, 11:50 AM
Hicks is a damn good run stopper and Allen has bulked up and been working on run containment. Our LBers are better than our D-Line and we have two Nose tackles in Savaii and Dalton. We could run the 3-4, Maybe not as effective as the Pats, but our LBing speed could pull it off.I'm with you 100%. Except for that part about Hicks being a damn good run stopper. And Allen being someone you'd want as a 3-4 DE. And Siavii being a 3-4 NT. And Sims being a 3-4 NT. But other than that, absolutely right on.

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 11:53 AM
I'm with you 100%. Except for that part about Hicks being a damn good run stopper. And Allen being someone you'd want as a 3-4 DE. And Siavii being a 3-4 NT. And Sims being a 3-4 NT. But other than that, absolutely right on.Hater. ROFL That was good stuff. ROFL Just call me crazy next time.

CoMoChief
06-23-2005, 11:53 AM
I love this move. Bell would move back to his LILB spot and Kawika could play RILB. Then we could have DJ play ROLB and Fox at LOLB

keg in kc
06-23-2005, 11:55 AM
Hater. ROFL That was good stuff. ROFL Just call me crazy next time.Why, I couldn't do that. That would be mean.

whoman69
06-23-2005, 11:55 AM
Considering that pretty much describes the Nickel, you’d be 'bout
right. ;)
Most nickle packages are a 3-3-5 while a dime is a 3-2-6. While blitz packages can be created from these combinations, I think a stronger rush would come from 4 downlineman and leave less gaps in coverage from a hole created by a blitz.

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 12:07 PM
Why, I couldn't do that. That would be mean.
All kidding aside, we don't have the optimum horses up front on the D-line, but we actually have a very speedy set of LBers now. On passing downs, I believe we would be wise to utilize our speed and have 4 LBers on the field rather than our weakness of 4 D-lineman.

After thinking of your previous post, I tend to agree Hicks is NOT great run-stopper ( I exaggerate from time to time :p ), but he really does a pretty good job of containing the run, IMO. He also is good at putting pressure on the QB, he just rarely FINISHES the play with a sack.

Savaii has the size and strength to man the NT positiion, but is not the idle candidate, unless he really turns it up a few notches.

Sims is a possibility, but I prefer him as the undertackle.

Hall looks pretty good and Allen will improve from last year, IMO.

Our D-line could be a weakness, but it's worth installing some plays on obvious passing downs to utilize our LBers. Just my take.

TRing
06-23-2005, 12:15 PM
Most nickle packages are a 3-3-5 while a dime is a 3-2-6. While blitz packages can be created from these combinations, I think a stronger rush would come from 4 downlineman and leave less gaps in coverage from a hole created by a blitz.
I was led to believe that the dime is a 4-1-6 then a quarter would be a 3-1-7 but if you have a 3-2-6 that would almost be like a 3-4 with dbacks playing the outsidebackers pos. and i think the 4-2-5 is used more for the nickel but the 3-3-5 is another variation.I could be way off base so tell me if i am.

keg in kc
06-23-2005, 12:15 PM
I don't think we have anything approaching a traditional 3-4 NT on the roster. And if we did (and we don't), I don't think Allen, Hall or Hicks would be the ends, they don't have the bulk; we'd need bigger 2-gap ends, probably more along the lines of Browning and Wilkerson. Either way, while we may have the personnel at LB, I don't see it on the line. Not for a base 3-4. But that's not really what we're talking about here, so my guess is if that if we're going 3-4 for nickel/long yardage (and I'm not convinced yet that we are, but for the sake of argument), it's probably not going to be a traditional 3-4 look, I'd imagine more of a pure pass rush package, with Browning on the nose, Allen and Hall on the ends, LBs set up for pressure. That's more feasible now than in the past because the speed at LB should make us less susceptible to draws and misdirection for long yardage.

RedThat
06-23-2005, 12:15 PM
All kidding aside, we don't have the optimum horses up front on the D-line, but we actually have a very speedy set of LBers now. On passing downs, I believe we would be wise to utilize our speed and have 4 LBers on the field rather than our weakness of 4 D-lineman.

After thinking of your previous post, I tend to agree Hicks is NOT great run-stopper ( I exaggerate from time to time :p ), but he really does a pretty good job of containing the run, IMO. He also is good at putting pressure on the QB, he just rarely FINISHES the play with a sack.

Savaii has the size and strength to man the NT positiion, but is not the idle candidate, unless he really turns it up a few notches.

Sims is a possibility, but I prefer him as the undertackle.

Hall looks pretty good and Allen will improve from last year, IMO.

Our D-line could be a weakness, but it's worth installing some plays on obvious passing downs to utilize our LBers. Just my take.

I have more faith in our LBers rushing the passer than our front 4. I hope Gun finds a way to them involved rushing the passer on 3rd downs.

HC_Chief
06-23-2005, 12:16 PM
Sims, Siavii, Dalton would be my front-three in a 3-4 scheme. They need only hold the point of attack... those three have girth. If they get their shoulders low, they can definitely hold the line.

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 12:20 PM
I don't think we have anything approaching a traditional 3-4 NT on the roster. And if we did (and we don't), I don't think Allen, Hall or Hicks would be the ends, they don't have the bulk; we'd need bigger 2-gap ends, probably more along the lines of Browning and Wilkerson. Either way, while we may have the personnel at LB, I don't see it on the line. Not for a base 3-4. But that's not really what we're talking about here, so my guess is if that if we're going 3-4 for nickel/long yardage (and I'm not convinced yet that we are, but for the sake of argument), it's probably not going to be a traditional 3-4 look, I'd imagine more of a pure pass rush package, with Browning on the nose, Allen and Hall on the ends, LBs set up for pressure. That's more feasible now than in the past because the speed at LB should make us less susceptible to draws and misdirection for long yardage.
Why don't you consider Junior a Nose Tackle candidate? He's 6'4" 336 lbs. .

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 12:21 PM
Most nickle packages are a 3-3-5 while a dime is a 3-2-6. While blitz packages can be created from these combinations, I think a stronger rush would come from 4 downlineman and leave less gaps in coverage from a hole created by a blitz.

Most base nickel and dime coverages have 4 down linemen.

RedThat
06-23-2005, 12:23 PM
Sims, Siavii, Dalton would be my front-three in a 3-4 scheme. They need only hold the point of attack... those three have girth. If they get their shoulders low, they can definitely hold the line.

So Sims and Dalton would be the DE's?
:shrug:

CoMoChief
06-23-2005, 12:23 PM
Sims, Siavii, Dalton would be my front-three in a 3-4 scheme. They need only hold the point of attack... those three have girth. If they get their shoulders low, they can definitely hold the line.



Uhuuhuhuhuhuh uhuhuhuhuh uhuhuhuhuh...................you said "girth". Uhuhuhuhuhuhuh uhuhuhuhuhuhuh uhuhuhuhuhuhuh.

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 12:23 PM
Why don't you consider Junior a Nose Tackle candidate? He's 6'4" 336 lbs. .

He's not a 2-gap DT.

The only guy on our roster that's ever been in a 2-gap defense is Dalton.

keg in kc
06-23-2005, 12:24 PM
Why don't you consider Junior a Nose Tackle candidate? He's 6'4" 336 lbs. .No, I don't. I think all our tackles (such as they are...) are prototypical inside pressure 4-3 types. I don't think we have a fireplug/block eater.

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 12:25 PM
He's not a 2-gap DT.

The only guy on our roster that's ever been in a 2-gap defense is Dalton.
Maybe so, but I still think he could hold the line as the nose tackle in obvious passing downs. He's strong as an ox and just needs some reps, IMO.

HC_Chief
06-23-2005, 12:27 PM
So Sims and Dalton would be the DE's?
:shrug:

Or Sims and Siavii. Your need size on the line in the 3-4; those three are our biggest/strongest linemen. As has already been mentioned however, they'll need to learn/practice the two-gap system. It's not difficult to learn... just take a bit to learn the footing and how to apply leverage.

Mr. Laz
06-23-2005, 12:29 PM
browning is about the only 3-4 defensive end we have.

although they have some young guys on the roster now who have the size to play one.

don't know if any are good though :shrug:

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 12:31 PM
Maybe so, but I still think he could hold the line as the nose tackle in obvious passing downs. He's strong as an ox and just needs some reps, IMO.

Actually, there was some concern the Siavii lacked lower-body strength coming out of college...

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 12:32 PM
Or Sims and Siavii. Your need size on the line in the 3-4; those three are our biggest/strongest linemen. As has already been mentioned however, they'll need to learn/practice the two-gap system. It's not difficult to learn... just take a bit to learn the footing and how to apply leverage.

One of the reasons Gun was brought in was because the line (particularly Sims and Hicks) supposedly suffered because of Robinson's 2-gap read-and-react system. Gunther was supposed to move Hicks outside and put Sims back in a 1-gap technique to fix all of our problems.

I should have said in my other post -- the only guy that's been reasonably SUCCESSFUL in a 2-gap system is Dalton.

shaneo69
06-23-2005, 12:33 PM
No, I don't. I think all our tackles (such as they are...) are prototypical inside pressure 4-3 types. I don't think we have a fireplug/block eater.

The guy with the prototypical size for NT is Montique Sharpe, but he just doesn't have the skill, apparently.

RedThat
06-23-2005, 12:34 PM
browning is about the only 3-4 defensive end we have.

although they have some young guys on the roster now who have the size to play one.

don't know if any are good though :shrug:

I totally forgot about Browning. Actually, we could have Browning and Hicks in a 3-4. That might not be too bad. Then who would be the NT? We don't have that many 2-gap players. Dalton is the only 2-gap player. That's what Htismaqe was saying earlier. So if we ran a 3-4, what do you think of having Browning, Dalton, and Hicks as our defensive lineman?

keg in kc
06-23-2005, 12:34 PM
The guy with the prototypical size for NT is Montique Sharpe, but he just doesn't have the skill, apparently.I didn't even realize he was still on the squad.

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 12:37 PM
Actually, there was some concern the Siavii lacked lower-body strength coming out of college...

Anybody can find question marks about any player if they dig hard enough. Just look at Derrick Johnson. Right or wrong, I believe he could become a solid nose tackle.

Mr. Laz
06-23-2005, 12:38 PM
I totally forgot about Browning. Actually, we could have Browning and Hicks in a 3-4. That might not be too bad. Then who would be the NT? We don't have that many 2-gap players. Dalton is the only 2-gap player. That's what Htismaqe was saying earlier. So if we ran a 3-4, what do you think of having Browning, Dalton, and Hicks as our defensive lineman?

Hicks might be a problem ... he struggled with outside containment in a 4-3 last year.

i don't know that he has the strength to hold in a 3-4


but your right... that would be the best lineup at the moment

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 12:40 PM
I totally forgot about Browning. Actually, we could have Browning and Hicks in a 3-4. That might not be too bad. Then who would be the NT? We don't have that many 2-gap players. Dalton is the only 2-gap player. That's what Htismaqe was saying earlier. So if we ran a 3-4, what do you think of having Browning, Dalton, and Hicks as our defensive lineman?

My only problem with that is that Dalton is the only one that really seemed to fit in Gunther's scheme last year.

LiL stumppy
06-23-2005, 12:40 PM
I like this.I would want Fujita as the extra LB,with his speed and experiance.

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 12:41 PM
I like this.I would want Fujita as the extra LB,with his speed and experiance.Not me. I prefer Fox over Fujita.

Mitchell, Bell, DJ, and Fox.

HC_Chief
06-23-2005, 12:43 PM
Not me. I prefer Fox over Fujita.

Why? Fox has never shown anything.

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 12:43 PM
Anybody can find question marks about any player if they dig hard enough. Just look at Derrick Johnson. Right or wrong, I believe he could become a solid nose tackle.

Well, you were countering the "he's not a 2-gap DT" by bringing up his strength. If, in fact, they were right about him being weak in the legs, then he has TWO strikes against him instead of 1 when it comes to playing the NT in a 3-4.

Ebolapox
06-23-2005, 12:45 PM
Originally Posted by cmh6476
DE Browning/ scanlon
DT Junior/ scanlon
DE Allen/ scanlon

OLB Fox/Stills
ILB Bell/Scanlon
ILB Mitchell/Scanlon
OLB Johnson/Fujita

cb scanlon
cb scanlon
fs scanlon
ss scanlon
:thumb:

Here, I fixed it. ;)

no, *I* fixed it :spock:

-EB-

TRing
06-23-2005, 12:46 PM
hey guys Gunther called and he wants his job back....

Radar Chief
06-23-2005, 12:46 PM
Actually, there was some concern the Siavii lacked lower-body strength coming out of college...

That’s not all that hard to cure.
Junior, meet Mr. Squat Rack. You two are gonna do a LOT of work together.

RedThat
06-23-2005, 12:47 PM
Not me. I prefer Fox over Fujita.

Mitchell, Bell, DJ, and Fox.

Agreed. Fujita couldn't cover over the TE worth a damn last year. At least by throwing Fox in there, we got somebody who is unproven, but, has good coverage ability.

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 12:47 PM
Why? Fox has never shown anything.Fox is signed long term. Fujita is on a one-year tender and still sitting out of practice.

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 12:47 PM
Why? Fox has never shown anything.

And Fujita has shown that he can play OK on a very bad defense. I go for the potential in Fox over what we've seen Fujita bring to the table.

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 12:51 PM
Well, you were countering the "he's not a 2-gap DT" by bringing up his strength. If, in fact, they were right about him being weak in the legs, then he has TWO strikes against him instead of 1 when it comes to playing the NT in a 3-4.
In YOUR opinion he has two strikes against him.
IMO, he could become a solid NT.

Radar Chief
06-23-2005, 12:51 PM
hey guys Gunther called and he wants his job back....

ROFL Yea I know, but what else is a Football BB for? :shrug:

RedThat
06-23-2005, 12:52 PM
I find this whole thing about Keyaron Fox a little mind-boggling. Last year, he didn't play at all. Now, everybody including the coaches are talking like the kid is going to be a starter, and at the very least playing this year. So, why wasn't he playing last year? Why would the Chiefs elect to use Quinton Caver over his a**? I don't get it.

go bowe
06-23-2005, 12:55 PM
Yeeeeaaaah! Sources! I say let's make Ryan Sims a middle linebacker! Yeeeeaaaah! [/Howard Dean]no, no, no...

sims can't move to mlb, that's rich's spot...

now, we do have a need at cb... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 12:58 PM
In YOUR opinion he has two strikes against him.
IMO, he could become a solid NT.

No, not in my opinion. I don't hold the opinion that he's weak in the lower body. I'm merely pointing out that it was a concern of the scouts when he came out of college.

He's not a 3-4 NT, that's a fact. He might be able to learn it, but as of right now, he's a 4-3 NT. You countered that fact by saying that you thought he could overcome it with his strength. I only said that if those scouts were correct and he does lack lower-body strength, it will be HARDER for him to be a 3-4 NT, not easier.

My personal opinion is that I don't know what these guys are capable of, but considering how mightily they struggle with Gunther's base defense, I'm inclined to NOT pile on anything else for them to get confused with.

RedThat
06-23-2005, 12:58 PM
no, no, no...

sims can't move to mlb, that's rich's spot...

now, we do have a need at cb... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Freddie Mitchell
:p

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 12:58 PM
I find this whole thing about Keyaron Fox a little mind-boggling. Last year, he didn't play at all. Now, everybody including the coaches are talking like the kid is going to be a starter, and at the very least playing this year. So, why wasn't he playing last year? Why would the Chiefs elect to use Quinton Caver over his a**? I don't get it.

Well, he was hurt last year. And he also got in Vermeil's doghouse. We all know how Crybaby handles such things.

go bowe
06-23-2005, 12:59 PM
That’s not all that hard to cure.
Junior, meet Mr. Squat Rack. You two are gonna do a LOT of work together.i dunno...

i'm kinda worried about that...

the samoan gossip mill doesn't think that junior and mr. squat rack have not spent a lot of time together so far...

apparently, they don't like each other... :( :( :(

RedThat
06-23-2005, 01:01 PM
Well, he was hurt last year. And he also got in Vermeil's doghouse. We all know how Crybaby handles such things.

True about the injuries. I forgot about that. What did he do to get into Vermeil's doghouse?
:hmmm:

Calcountry
06-23-2005, 01:02 PM
How about 0-7, then we could get Fujita as well?Anything will beat the 0-0 defense we ran last year.

Mr. Laz
06-23-2005, 01:02 PM
That’s not all that hard to cure.
Junior, meet Mr. Squat Rack. You two are gonna do a LOT of work together.

except for i've seen something before about Savaii not staying focused and doing more partying than working out.


could be bull ... but it could be the reason why savaii has yet to show any of the potiential the team raved about when they drafted him.




i still don't see how our defensive line coach still has a job

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 01:03 PM
No, not in my opinion. I don't hold the opinion that he's weak in the lower body. I'm merely pointing out that it was a concern of the scouts when he came out of college.

He's not a 3-4 NT, that's a fact. He might be able to learn it, but as of right now, he's a 4-3 NT. You countered that fact by saying that you thought he could overcome it with his strength. I only said that if those scouts were correct and he does lack lower-body strength, it will be HARDER for him to be a 3-4 NT, not easier.

My personal opinion is that I don't know what these guys are capable of, but considering how mightily they struggle with Gunther's base defense, I'm inclined to NOT pile on anything else for them to get confused with.Cool. I really don't know if he can pull it off or not, but instinct tells me he can. He definitely has the size and strength to man the position. I agree, he could struggle early on as a NT, but I believe with added reps he could become a solid NT. Will it work? I don't know, but I'm hopeful he can make the transition because with our speed at LBer, I think it's a good idea to have the 3-4 package as an option and I see Junior as the long-term candidate for NT.

Chiefnj
06-23-2005, 01:05 PM
In YOUR opinion he has two strikes against him.
IMO, he could become a solid NT.

What are you basing your opinion on?

It's a fact he had weak leg strength coming out of college. It's also a fact he doesn't have much football experience and zero experience with playing NT in a 3-4.

RedThat
06-23-2005, 01:05 PM
Anything will beat the 0-0 defense we ran last year.


:eek: ROFL

go bowe
06-23-2005, 01:06 PM
No, not in my opinion. I don't hold the opinion that he's weak in the lower body. I'm merely pointing out that it was a concern of the scouts when he came out of college.

He's not a 3-4 NT, that's a fact. He might be able to learn it, but as of right now, he's a 4-3 NT. You countered that fact by saying that you thought he could overcome it with his strength. I only said that if those scouts were correct and he does lack lower-body strength, it will be HARDER for him to be a 3-4 NT, not easier.

My personal opinion is that I don't know what these guys are capable of, but considering how mightily they struggle with Gunther's base defense, I'm inclined to NOT pile on anything else for them to get confused with.he's strong, but not nfl dt strong, in the lower body...

he got away with being strong (by college standards) and agile when he was in college, but never got into weight training like the dt who played beside him, olshanski or something like that...

now, as he is beginning to learn actual technique, he seems to get pushed around too much on too many plays and then looks real good on others...

i don't think he could play nt in a 3-4, but gun may have other ideas...

btw, don't get me wrong, i'm rooting for junior, big time; i'm just a little concerned about his attitude towards professional football...

Radar Chief
06-23-2005, 01:07 PM
i dunno...

i'm kinda worried about that...

the samoan gossip mill doesn't think that junior and mr. squat rack have not spent a lot of time together so far...

apparently, they don't like each other... :( :( :(


Don’t blame him for not liking it, squats is a learned technique and he could easily injure himself if not doing it right.
But this is professional sports, if he can’t handle that he should be gone.

go bowe
06-23-2005, 01:07 PM
except for i've seen something before about Savaii not staying focused and doing more partying than working out.


could be bull ... but it could be the reason why savaii has yet to show any of the potiential the team raved about when they drafted him.




i still don't see how our defensive line coach still has a jobunfortunately, i've heard the same things... :( :( :(

RedThat
06-23-2005, 01:08 PM
i still don't see how our defensive line coach still has a job

Speaking of coaches, I don't see how our secondary coach has a job
:shake:

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 01:08 PM
I find this whole thing about Keyaron Fox a little mind-boggling. Last year, he didn't play at all. Now, everybody including the coaches are talking like the kid is going to be a starter, and at the very least playing this year. So, why wasn't he playing last year? Why would the Chiefs elect to use Quinton Caver over his a**? I don't get it. Here's a write-up on him...
KEYARON FOX
Position: OLB
Class: Sr
School: Georgia Tech
Conference: ACC
Ht., Wt.: 6'2˝, 227
40 Time: 4.61
Grade: 3.76

Selected by Kansas City Chiefs
Round 3, pick 30 (93 overall)
BIO: Three-year starter who led the ACC in tackles last season with 155/18/4, while also breaking up 3 passes. Junior totals were 92/13/3 after 95/8/2 as a sophomore.

POSITIVES: Athletic linebacker who plays with a great amount of explosion. Forceful moving up the field, deceptively strong and adjusts off the initial block. Tremendous range and athleticism; fast sideline-to-sideline, gets depth on pass drops and makes plays in every direction. Quick arriving on the scene, has a closing burst of speed and throws his body around the field. Squares and wraps up tackling.

NEGATIVES: Lacks body control and over pursues the action on occasion. Has difficulty defending the run in the box and better out to the flanks. Hesitant at times.

ANALYSIS: Athletically, Fox is one of the most explosive weak-side linebacker prospects in the draft. His forceful nature coupled with the natural abilities gives him a nice upside for the next level.

PROJECTION: Late Second Round

I would agree with that analysis. The key is... he's a better tackler than Fujita. Fujita has the size and speed for the position, but he attempts too many arm-tackles.

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 01:09 PM
Speaking of coaches, I don't see how our secondary coach has a job
:shake:
He's got help in Vernon Dean.

Chiefnj
06-23-2005, 01:09 PM
For those who were asking, the 1997 "Falcon" defense:

DLE 91 O'NEAL, 97 Parten, 75 McGlockton
NT 71 BARNDT, 99 Holland, 75 McGlockton
DRE 93 BROWNING, 91 O’Neal, 95 Ransom*
FALC 58 D. THOMAS, 77 McDaniels, 98 Hicks*
ILB 56 SIMMONS, 54 Favors*
MLB 59 EDWARDS, 51 Manusky
ROLB 50 DAVIS, 55 George
LCB 34 CARTER, 45 Brooks, 46 R. Williams*
RCB 40 HASTY, 29 McMillian, 44 Warfield*
SS 25 TONGUE, 35 Johnson
FS 21 WOODS, 45 Brooks

Radar Chief
06-23-2005, 01:10 PM
except for i've seen something before about Savaii not staying focused and doing more partying than working out.


could be bull ... but it could be the reason why savaii has yet to show any of the potiential the team raved about when they drafted him.




i still don't see how our defensive line coach still has a job

That doesn’t sound good.

go bowe
06-23-2005, 01:10 PM
What are you basing your opinion on?

It's a fact he had weak leg strength coming out of college. It's also a fact he doesn't have much football experience and zero experience with playing NT in a 3-4.all true, apparently, from what i've read about him before and after the draft...

now he could develop into a stud, probably in either the 4-3 or the 3-4, if he works at it for a few years, and i hope he does...

RedThat
06-23-2005, 01:12 PM
Here's a write-up on him...
KEYARON FOX
Position: OLB
Class: Sr
School: Georgia Tech
Conference: ACC
Ht., Wt.: 6'2˝, 227
40 Time: 4.61
Grade: 3.76

Selected by Kansas City Chiefs
Round 3, pick 30 (93 overall)
BIO: Three-year starter who led the ACC in tackles last season with 155/18/4, while also breaking up 3 passes. Junior totals were 92/13/3 after 95/8/2 as a sophomore.

POSITIVES: Athletic linebacker who plays with a great amount of explosion. Forceful moving up the field, deceptively strong and adjusts off the initial block. Tremendous range and athleticism; fast sideline-to-sideline, gets depth on pass drops and makes plays in every direction. Quick arriving on the scene, has a closing burst of speed and throws his body around the field. Squares and wraps up tackling.

NEGATIVES: Lacks body control and over pursues the action on occasion. Has difficulty defending the run in the box and better out to the flanks. Hesitant at times.

ANALYSIS: Athletically, Fox is one of the most explosive weak-side linebacker prospects in the draft. His forceful nature coupled with the natural abilities gives him a nice upside for the next level.

PROJECTION: Late Second Round

I would agree with that analysis. The key is... he's a better tackler than Fujita. Fujita has the size and speed for the position, but he attempts too many arm-tackles.

Thank you for the insight BigchiefFan. So, from the sounds of it he seems ok. I'll keep my eye out for him in TC, and pre-season.

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 01:12 PM
For those who were asking, the 1997 "Falcon" defense:

DLE 91 O'NEAL, 97 Parten, 75 McGlockton
NT 71 BARNDT, 99 Holland, 75 McGlockton
DRE 93 BROWNING, 91 O’Neal, 95 Ransom*
FALC 58 D. THOMAS, 77 McDaniels, 98 Hicks*
ILB 56 SIMMONS, 54 Favors*
MLB 59 EDWARDS, 51 Manusky
ROLB 50 DAVIS, 55 George
LCB 34 CARTER, 45 Brooks, 46 R. Williams*
RCB 40 HASTY, 29 McMillian, 44 Warfield*
SS 25 TONGUE, 35 Johnson
FS 21 WOODS, 45 Brooks
If Tom Barndt can play nose tackle, Junior definitely can.

beer bacon
06-23-2005, 01:15 PM
except for i've seen something before about Savaii not staying focused and doing more partying than working out.


could be bull ... but it could be the reason why savaii has yet to show any of the potiential the team raved about when they drafted him.




i still don't see how our defensive line coach still has a job

After seeing pictures of Siavii at the open practice I am ready to call the rumors of him not working out bullshit. He looked like he was in better shape then last year.

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 01:16 PM
Thank you for the insight BigchiefFan. So, from the sounds of it he seems ok. I'll keep my eye out for him in TC, and pre-season.My pleasure. At the open practice, Fox was in with the starting unit and he looked good. He's quick in the back field.

Mr. Laz
06-23-2005, 01:20 PM
After seeing pictures of Siavii at the open practice I am ready to call the rumors of him not working out bullshit. He looked like he was in better shape then last year.
good, really glad to here it


we need savaii and allen to both be at their best physically this year

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 01:21 PM
What are you basing your opinion on?

It's a fact he had weak leg strength coming out of college. It's also a fact he doesn't have much football experience and zero experience with playing NT in a 3-4. That was then, this is now. The whole idea of training is to improve and from what I saw of Junior the other day, he looked damn good. He's a beast out there. Probably the biggest guy on the field, but not in a fat-ass type build. He collapsed the pocket on a few plays and looked like he had been working on improving his game and his techniques.

RedThat
06-23-2005, 01:22 PM
My pleasure. At the open practice, Fox was in with the starting unit and he looked good. He's quick in the back field.

I think he's one of the fastest LBer's on the team. I know he's quicker than Bell. Not as quick as DJ, but, definately one of the fastest. It is really good to hear he can tackle. I know Fujita quite well for missing a lot of tackles, and never completely wrapping up when attempting to make tackles.

Chiefnj
06-23-2005, 01:23 PM
That was then, this is now. The whole idea of training is to improve and from what I saw of Junior the other day, he looked damn good. He's a beast out there. Probably the biggest guy on the field, but not in a fat-ass type build. He collapsed the pocket on a few plays and looked like he had been working on improving his game and his techniques.

Fair enough, but I'm not sure much can be made out of collapsing a pocket without full contact.

LiL stumppy
06-23-2005, 01:24 PM
Not me. I prefer Fox over Fujita.

Mitchell, Bell, DJ, and Fox.

Fujita has proven him self to be a solid LB.

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 01:30 PM
Fair enough, but I'm not sure much can be made out of collapsing a pocket without full contact.
I agree, but it does show that he is strong,which is one of the points I've been trying to make.

beer bacon
06-23-2005, 01:31 PM
Fujita has proven him self to be a solid LB.

He has also shown that he is not that good in pass coverage.

BigChiefFan
06-23-2005, 01:31 PM
Fujita has proven him self to be a solid LB.
He's decent, but he's still injured.

htismaqe
06-23-2005, 01:33 PM
True about the injuries. I forgot about that. What did he do to get into Vermeil's doghouse?
:hmmm:

I think I read it here, so you can take it for what it's worth, but apparently there were some fisticuffs in the film room with Monty Beisel.

Radar Chief
06-23-2005, 01:34 PM
After seeing pictures of Siavii at the open practice I am ready to call the rumors of him not working out bullshit. He looked like he was in better shape then last year.

Hope so.

beer bacon
06-23-2005, 01:37 PM
Hope so.

I would post the picture I saw of him if I could, but I don't know exactly how to do that. Here is a link to the thread over at chiefscoalition that had the picture. The picture is first on the 5th page about 2/3s of the way down:

http://www.chiefscoalition.com/Forums/index.php?showtopic=29524&st=60

RedThat
06-23-2005, 01:39 PM
Fujita has proven him self to be a solid LB.

I disagree. And i'll give you my reason. First off, i give him credit for his speed. He's very quick, and if he was healthy, I think he's the fastest LBer on our roster right now. However, it ain't all about speed. Fujita's tackling ability is poor. I've seen him so many times attempting to tackle the ball carrier with one arm, instead of attempting to hit the ball carrier, wrap him up, and tackle him to the ground. His instincts are bad, he bikes on fakes, and gets the sheeeiit deeked out of him. I don't like his coverage ability. I think he's a liability in that aspect of his game. I question his aggresiveness from time to time. I never see him play with a mean streak. the only positive attributes I can comment about Fujita's game are his speed and very average tackling ability. He's a backup LB. I think he's gonna lose his job.

Radar Chief
06-23-2005, 01:43 PM
I would post the picture I saw of him if I could, but I don't know exactly how to do that. Here is a link to the thread over at chiefscoalition that had the picture. The picture is first on the 5th page about 2/3s of the way down:

http://www.chiefscoalition.com/Forums/index.php?showtopic=29524&st=60

Here ya go.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Jerid58/57376304208_0_ALB.jpg

beer bacon
06-23-2005, 01:44 PM
Here ya go.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/Jerid58/57376304208_0_ALB.jpg

Thanks.

Radar Chief
06-23-2005, 01:47 PM
Thanks.

No problem.
Definitely doesn’t look fat in that picture.

beer bacon
06-23-2005, 01:50 PM
No problem.
Definitely doesn’t look fat in that picture.

You can't see his legs in that picture, but he does definately look like he has a lot less blubber up top.

LTownChief
06-23-2005, 01:54 PM
it kinda sucks that Mitchell is our only option right now at MLB (unless Boomer learns quick). We need to have our best talent on the field and there are 4 or 5 other LBs better than Mitchell on our roster. And I like hearing all this rave about Fox, sounds awesome! put him, DJ, Bell our there! If Fujita and Barber get healthy than we are loaded!

philfree
06-23-2005, 02:58 PM
it kinda sucks that Mitchell is our only option right now at MLB (unless Boomer learns quick). We need to have our best talent on the field and there are 4 or 5 other LBs better than Mitchell on our roster. And I like hearing all this rave about Fox, sounds awesome! put him, DJ, Bell our there! If Fujita and Barber get healthy than we are loaded!

Yeah those 4 or 5 guys are so much better then Mitchell that so far they've offered no competition for the MLB position. And Mitchell is so bad that Gun still has Bell at ROLB when everyone on the Planet knows he should be playing MLB..........

PhilFree:arrow:

Rausch
06-23-2005, 03:57 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/columnist/2005-06-22-inside-scoop_x.htm

Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham is the latest coach planning the 3-4 scheme as a sub package. Cunningham plans to implement the 3-4 in likely passing downs to maximize Kansas City's improved defensive speed.

I like the sound of this. Who do you think would normally be out there on defense in these situations?

YES! :drool:

Tuckdaddy
06-24-2005, 01:08 AM
tURN dj LOOSE AND LET HIM RUN WILD AND LAY THE WOOD ON MUTHA FOCKERS.