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BIG_DADDY
06-30-2005, 03:51 PM
OKC BOMBING FALLOUT
Nichols responds to 'Third Terrorist' evidence
Congressman discusses Mideast connection with convicted bomber


After a meeting with convicted Oklahoma City bomber Terry Nichols, a U.S. congressman reaffirmed evidence of a Middle East connection to the 1995 attack.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif. – who has publicly vowed to address unanswered questions about the bombing – went with a staff aid to the super-maximum security prison in Florence, Colo., where Nichols is serving 161 consecutive life sentences, according to the Northeast Intelligence Network, a private, counter-terrorist research and investigation group.

In his quizzing of Nichols, the congressman relied heavily on the investigative work of journalist Jayna Davis and her book, "The Third Terrorist: The Middle Eastern Connection to the Oklahoma City Bombing," published by WND Books.

Davis asserts Nichols and Timothy McVeigh were not the lone conspirators but were part of a greater scheme involving Islamic terrorists and at least one provable link to Iraq.

As WorldNetDaily reported, Rohrabacher has said he is "deeply disturbed" that the FBI did not follow up on affidavits Davis turned over to the bureau from 22 witnesses supporting evidence that Iraqi intelligence agents infiltrated the United States to recruit and assist McVeigh and Nichols.


Davis spoke with Rohrabacher after his visit with Nichols and gave a tape of her conversation to Northeast Intelligence Network Director Douglas Hagmann.

The congressman told Davis: "Yours is the only game in town that has any evidence."

Nichols acknowledged the existence of John Doe No. 2 – the alleged third terrorist – but stopped short of identifying him, claiming he "did not want to speculate."

However, according to Rohrabacher, Nichols said "he thought other people [beyond Nichols and Timothy McVeigh] were involved" in the Oklahoma City bombing.

"Timothy McVeigh on a number of occasions, had talked about Middle Easterners," Rohrabacher told Davis. "Terry didn't say anything that would dispel the theory, the central theory of your research, which is these people [witnesses featured in "The Third Terrorist"] actually saw Tim McVeigh and he was with Arabs, and these are the people that you tracked down."

Rohrabacher, chairman of the House Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, said Nichols did not say anything that would undercut Davis' finding of a definitive Middle Eastern connection to the bombing.

The congressman said Nichols "didn't do anything that would in any way ... counter the witnesses that you have dug up and put on the record."

The witnesses provided sworn affidavits to Davis and Chicago-based attorney David Schippers, who served as chief investigative counsel to the House Judiciary Committee for the impeachment trial of former President Clinton.

Schippers also prosecuted a number of high-profile organized crime figures under U.S. Attorney General Robert Kennedy.

After conducting lengthy videotaped interviews with more than a dozen of Davis' confidential witnesses in May, Schippers stated: "Given the credibility of these witnesses, I could get an indictment with just one day of testimony before a grand jury."

Former CIA director James Woolsey also has found the witness statements accumulated by Davis to be credible, including many who attested to observing Middle Eastern nationals in the company of McVeigh and at the Murrah building at the time of the bombing.

Rohrabacher told Davis: "Your evidence remains the heaviest"

Despite the information he received from Nichols, the congressman told Davis he still was "in no hurry" to convene congressional hearings, but said he wanted to see more of her evidence.

As WND reported, on the 10th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, in April, Rohrabacher asked in a House-floor speech why the FBI ignored strong evidence of a Middle East connection to the attack.

Rohrabacher said at the time that if the FBI does not provide satisfactory answers to his questions, he will call for congressional hearings.

Two years ago, on the eve of U.S. action in Iraq, Davis' reporting on the Oklahoma City bombing was vindicated when the U.S. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals dismissed a lawsuit filed against her after finding "defendants did not recklessly disregard the truth" in reporting on an Iraqi soldier's alleged involvement in the bombing.

Taco John
06-30-2005, 03:53 PM
This whole issue is perplexing...

Soupnazi
06-30-2005, 04:05 PM
Anybody read about al-Hussaini? From all the stuff I've seen and read about it, there's very little doubt in my mind that Iraqi agents assisted/orchestrated OK City.

I'd be willing to bet that behind closed doors that information was well known to both Clinton and Bush administrations, and probably was one of the reasons GWB sought regime change.

The connection between those Iraqi agents and al-qaeda makes for an interesting twist in the whole debate about the Iraq situation.

Cochise
06-30-2005, 04:10 PM
Interesting. I forgot to order that book about the Al Queda link to OKC the last time we talked about it BD, I'll send myself an email to check for it tonight.

BIG_DADDY
06-30-2005, 04:13 PM
Anybody read about al-Hussaini? From all the stuff I've seen and read about it, there's very little doubt in my mind that Iraqi agents assisted/orchestrated OK City.

I'd be willing to bet that behind closed doors that information was well known to both Clinton and Bush administrations, and probably was one of the reasons GWB sought regime change.

The connection between those Iraqi agents and al-qaeda makes for an interesting twist in the whole debate about the Iraq situation.

But where are the WMD? Can you tell me that? Bush is a liar. ROFL

Taco John
06-30-2005, 04:18 PM
It's my understanding that the cover-up has been strictly related to incompetence at several levels of the government, and is so vast as to mortify the nation at what a bunch of fricken' clowns we have at all levels of management in the intelligence community.

Check out Peter Lance. The guy has had his pulse on this thing for a long time, and even with 9/11.

Soupnazi
06-30-2005, 04:27 PM
It's my understanding that the cover-up has been strictly related to incompetence at several levels of the government, and is so vast as to mortify the nation at what a bunch of fricken' clowns we have at all levels of management in the intelligence community.

Check out Peter Lance. The guy has had his pulse on this thing for a long time, and even with 9/11.

I would tend to agree with your first paragraph. My instincts tell me that there was a colossal screw up within the government, and al-hussaini's involvement was covered up because it was easier to pin it on McVeigh for the Clinton Administration. Had they revealed it, it would've been interpreted largely as his administration being incompetent rather than an attack by a foreign country/terrorist regime on US soil. God only knows how the public would've reacted, and what do you do about it?

I've long felt as though the Bush administration knew more about Iraq/al qaeda than they could/should share, and my bet is that's it.

BIG_DADDY
06-30-2005, 04:33 PM
I would tend to agree with your first paragraph. My instincts tell me that there was a colossal screw up within the government, and al-hussaini's involvement was covered up because it was easier to pin it on McVeigh for the Clinton Administration. Had they revealed it, it would've been interpreted largely as his administration being incompetent rather than an attack by a foreign country/terrorist regime on US soil. God only knows how the public would've reacted, and what do you do about it?

I've long felt as though the Bush administration knew more about Iraq/al qaeda than they could/should share, and my bet is that's it.

Same thing with TWA flight 800. Gotta cover up that incompetence

BCD
06-30-2005, 04:39 PM
Same thing with TWA flight 800. Gotta cover up that incompetenceI forgot all about that. I'm starting to wonder about that ValueJet flight that crashed in the Everglades that same year...

Soupnazi
06-30-2005, 05:03 PM
A couple little tidbits of connecting information...

Ramzi Yousef, who bombed the WTC in 1993, fled to the Phillippenes after the bombing. While in custody in Manilla, Abdul Murad, (an associate of Yousef's) talked of a plan to hijack a passenger jet and dive it into CIA headquarters. During that same time Phillippino police raided Yousef's place and found a computer detailing a plan to high-jack 12 planes simultaneously.
Terry Nichols was also apparently in the Phillippines at the same period of time as these two and was there to get information on bomb building. His trips to the Phillippines were confirmed by family.

That's a lot of strange coincidences if that's all they are.

BIG_DADDY
06-30-2005, 05:19 PM
A couple little tidbits of connecting information...

Ramzi Yousef, who bombed the WTC in 1993, fled to the Phillippenes after the bombing. While in custody in Manilla, Abdul Murad, (an associate of Yousef's) talked of a plan to hijack a passenger jet and dive it into CIA headquarters. During that same time Phillippino police raided Yousef's place and found a computer detailing a plan to high-jack 12 planes simultaneously.
Terry Nichols was also apparently in the Phillippines at the same period of time as these two and was there to get information on bomb building. His trips to the Phillippines were confirmed by family.

That's a lot of strange coincidences if that's all they are.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=42650&mesg_id=42972

stevieray
06-30-2005, 05:22 PM
One of the many attacks against the US during the liars term.

Taco John
06-30-2005, 05:47 PM
A couple little tidbits of connecting information...

Ramzi Yousef, who bombed the WTC in 1993, fled to the Phillippenes after the bombing. While in custody in Manilla, Abdul Murad, (an associate of Yousef's) talked of a plan to hijack a passenger jet and dive it into CIA headquarters. During that same time Phillippino police raided Yousef's place and found a computer detailing a plan to high-jack 12 planes simultaneously.
Terry Nichols was also apparently in the Phillippines at the same period of time as these two and was there to get information on bomb building. His trips to the Phillippines were confirmed by family.

That's a lot of strange coincidences if that's all they are.



Dude... Read the Peter Lance book... He goes over this and a bunch more... and backs it up with incredible detail...

Totally non-partisain... Lance spears them all...

Taco John
06-30-2005, 05:49 PM
One of the many attacks against the US during the liars term.



Pathetic... Did you not notice that THE GREATEST ATTACK ON US SOIL happened during another liars term?


/by liar, I mean "President"

Soupnazi
06-30-2005, 06:01 PM
Dude... Read the Peter Lance book... He goes over this and a bunch more... and backs it up with incredible detail...

Totally non-partisain... Lance spears them all...

I'll have to check it out. This truly is one of those matters where partisanship is irrelevant. I am so curious to know all of what we're not supposed to know about these people.

FWIW, Jayna Davis has done a very good job of investigating this matter if you haven't read any of her stuff.

stevieray
06-30-2005, 06:22 PM
Pathetic... Did you not notice that THE GREATEST ATTACK ON US SOIL happened during another liars term?

yawn. boring.

Taco John
06-30-2005, 06:26 PM
Exactly.

Welcome to the mirror.

stevieray
06-30-2005, 06:34 PM
Exactly.

Welcome to the mirror.

I'm all you've got. I didn't claim it was the biggest, just that it happened during the liars term...and poof! There's your inferiority complex.

you bore me. you are the only poster in THIS forum who plays the same pathetic game on the football forum.

Taco John
06-30-2005, 06:36 PM
You're a puzzling guy Stevie... You're all I have? uhhhh... Whatever an infeiirty complex is, I'm sure I don't have one... Especially if it's measured up to you.

/keep dreaming

stevieray
06-30-2005, 06:37 PM
You're a puzzling guy Stevie... Whatever an infeiirty complex is, I'm sure I don't have one... Especially if it's measured up to you.

/keep dreaming


run along, don't you have to call MM a cowardly or lying hack?

Taco John
06-30-2005, 06:38 PM
If I just say that you're gay, does that make you gay? That seems to be the way your inferiority logic runs, you flaming homo.

Taco John
06-30-2005, 06:38 PM
run along, don't you have to call MM a cowardly or lying hack?



Already did that today.