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CoMoChief
07-05-2005, 11:25 AM
I've been on other boards around the internet sports world and there have been alot of people that dog the Chiefs. Some people just plain do not know what they're talking about, but yet others have some key points. Put aside the fact that you are a die hard Chiefs fan and think, how do you REALLY think the Chiefs will do this season?


In all honesty, I think this is a do or die season. We will more than likely lose Shields after this season, and possibly Roaf, but then again I have heard that Roaf my play for a couple more seasons, if that's true, and granted he can still play at a high level, then I think our O-line is in good shape. If they both leave, then our line will still be ok, but our younger guys have to step up big time to fill those kinds of shoes. From what I have heard from the OTA's, I don't think that will be a problem.

Here's a question that someone from another board asked me and it got me to think. "If the Chiefs play some teams with good defenses, and if their offense has a few bad games, can you really rely on their defense to win a few games for you?" I told him I didn't really know. I think our defensive line needs to step up big and play this season. Last season it was arguably the strongest part of our defense, but that's not saying much as our LB core was awful as was our secondary. This season on paper it is probably the weakest part of our defense. Can Jared Allen produce even more than what he did last season, or will Carlos Hall take away some PT from him because God knows that Hicks has a secure spot as LE, which pisses me off to no end. Can Dalton produce like he did last season, chances are that he will. Sims is doo-doo butter. He is simply a bust whether you like it or not. I can't believe that CP and DV listened to that jack off buddy from UNC in drafting Sims. I can understand that a QB can often be a bust in the NFL because the QB is the hardest position, but DT??? Come on, given his size and strength, how hard is it to be productive? Siavii needs to replace him as the starter I think. Our LBs will be our strength, no doubt. We will have some of the best speed in the NFL. Can Mitchell hold down the fort at MLB? Last year he showed some signs but he is VERY inconsistant and is a fairly poor tackler as a MLB. He is very athletic and thats a plus and from what I have heard in the OTAs is that he's kicking ass. But thats in no pads. Can he wrap up is the question. Can Ambrose handle the load while Warfield serves his suspension if there is one? In my eyes hes another McCleon but older. Yeah he made the Pro-Bowl, but that was almost a decade ago. Having Deion Sanders is one thing and is the only exception to that. The first 4 games of the Chiefs schedule are tough, real tough. We have always had close games with Denver and Oakland and the Eagles are one of the best teams in the NFL and the Jets are gonna be better than they were last season I think. If we can go 2-2, then its a sure playoff bound Chiefs team in 2005. If we fall to 0-4, then I think this season will be like the last one.

The defensive line and Mitchell I believe are the keys to this defense getting better or respectable. We need a defense that can win us games because our offense wont be there for us all the time, they can only do so much. I'm talking about a defense that can help a team win 14-10 or something like that. I doubt the Chiefs can make that happen. I still think it will take some time to gel the players as one defensive unit. I can see us being very good mid to late season, which is what we need I think, I think its always important to thrive going in to the playoffs. After we play at SD I think our schedule is very favorable. What do you guys think?

NYJ - W
@OAK - W
@DEN - L
PHL - L
Bye
WSH - W
@MIA - W
@SD - L
OAK - W
@BUF - W
@HOU - W
NE - L
DEN - W
@DAL - W
@NYG - W
SD - W
CIN - W

Overall Record 12-4 AFC West Division Champs

MOhillbilly
07-05-2005, 11:27 AM
between 7-9&9-7 no playoffs

whoman69
07-05-2005, 11:28 AM
Put this in the file with all the other prediction threads. 11-5, West Division Champs.

BIG_DADDY
07-05-2005, 11:29 AM
Put this in the file with all the other prediction threads. 11-5, West Division Champs.

What he said.

TRR
07-05-2005, 11:31 AM
The main thing I'm hearing from sports writers, radio hosts, and other boards is that they think KC's offense is too old to maintain the level of production it has for the last several seasons.

I completely disagree...I think their claim i's more wishful thinking than anything.

ptlyon
07-05-2005, 11:32 AM
I think my p#nis is bigger than the average Egyptians.

Carlota69
07-05-2005, 11:36 AM
I think my p#nis is bigger than the average Egyptians.

ROFL
12-4 and yes it is a do or die season!!!!!!!

HC_Chief
07-05-2005, 11:43 AM
11-5 Regular Season
3-0 Playoffs
SB Victory.

Do or die.

Wile_E_Coyote
07-05-2005, 11:48 AM
I ran a multiple choice poll last week listing all the games & having voters pick the wins. 800 total picks divided by 66 voters came to 12.12 wins. Expectations are high, could be a year of disappointment for many

TRR
07-05-2005, 11:50 AM
I ran a multiple choice poll last week listing all the games & having voters pick the wins. 800 total picks divided by 66 voters came to 12.12 wins. Expectations are high, could be a year of disappointment for many

Injuries will play a key. The loss of Maz, Boe, Wilson, Barber, Priest, Welbourn, Mitchell, and McCleon for some or all of last season killed any chance we had (among other things).

Good teams can overcome injuries. However, losing player after player takes it's toll.

Wile_E_Coyote
07-05-2005, 11:56 AM
Injuries will play a key. The loss of Maz, Boe, Wilson, Barber, Priest, Welbourn, Mitchell, and McCleon for some or all of last season killed any chance we had (among other things).

Good teams can overcome injuries. However, losing player after player takes it's toll.


last season's 7-9 season after a 13-3 season, even with the outstanding offseason, has left me with the wait & see attitude. For my own mental health :)

KChiefs1
07-05-2005, 01:14 PM
I've been calling 12-4 this year too.

I think it's destiny the Chiefs win it all this year since the Mentor has passed on.

Amnorix
07-05-2005, 02:53 PM
Put me down for 10-6 and either outright AFC West win, or a wildcard slot.

As usual, the AFC is going to be a dogfight. I admit I have trouble seeing the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, mostly because of how tough the conference is. If the defense can really come together as the year goes along, though, anything is possible.

They MUST at least win the division to have any chance of the SB. No way in hell any team in the AFC is going to win 3 road games in a row in the playoffs. Absolutely no-frickin-way.

bobbything
07-05-2005, 03:22 PM
I've heard the sports writers say that the offense will slip a little. However, it's very hard to ignore the defensive moves KC made this year. Regardless of how horrible the D has been over the last 4-5 seasons, on paper, they look to have a very solid defensive core.

I think too many people are taking the last few years into account when analyzing this team. I don't see the offense slipping below a top 5 spot all season. And, since I honestly think that the defense, on paper, has drastically improved, I think this team is one of 4 to beat in the AFC; along with Indy, New England, and (yes, I believe this) Baltimore.

I believe the Chiefs will win the West with an 11-5, maybe 12-4, record. The Rai ders will mimic the Chiefs of 2000 where, without a decent RB, they're going to be chucking the ball 50 times per game and finish 7-9. The Donkos will do their typical 9-7, maybe 10-6, season while holding serve at home most of the time. The Chargers are the "who knows" of this conference. I mean, up until last year, Drew Brees has been highly mediocre, so why would anyone think that he's going to be as good in a Marty Schottenheimer offense? He had a 1995-96 Steve Bono like season, and will follow it up with a 1996-97 Steve Bono like season. Chargers go 8-8.

KC wins the conference by at least 2 games.

The playoffs are an entirely different story. I just want to get through the season first.

Ari Chi3fs
07-05-2005, 03:38 PM
I think my p#nis is bigger than the average Egyptians.

I dont know... have you ever seen one walk around?

Tuckdaddy
07-05-2005, 04:09 PM
I've heard the sports writers say that the offense will slip a little. However, it's very hard to ignore the defensive moves KC made this year. Regardless of how horrible the D has been over the last 4-5 seasons, on paper, they look to have a very solid defensive core.

I think too many people are taking the last few years into account when analyzing this team. I don't see the offense slipping below a top 5 spot all season. And, since I honestly think that the defense, on paper, has drastically improved, I think this team is one of 4 to beat in the AFC; along with Indy, New England, and (yes, I believe this) Baltimore.

I believe the Chiefs will win the West with an 11-5, maybe 12-4, record. The Rai ders will mimic the Chiefs of 2000 where, without a decent RB, they're going to be chucking the ball 50 times per game and finish 7-9. The Donkos will do their typical 9-7, maybe 10-6, season while holding serve at home most of the time. The Chargers are the "who knows" of this conference. I mean, up until last year, Drew Brees has been highly mediocre, so why would anyone think that he's going to be as good in a Marty Schottenheimer offense? He had a 1995-96 Steve Bono like season, and will follow it up with a 1996-97 Steve Bono like season. Chargers go 8-8.

KC wins the conference by at least 2 games.

The playoffs are an entirely different story. I just want to get through the season first.

Well said. I see no reason why the offense would slip either. We should be better, not worse. The defense should be able to secure a lead in the 4th unlike the recent past. We win the West.

Electric
07-05-2005, 06:39 PM
I think 12-4 or better is a reality.

irishjayhawk
07-05-2005, 07:05 PM
I've been on other boards around the internet sports world and there have been alot of people that dog the Chiefs. Some people just plain do not know what they're talking about, but yet others have some key points. Put aside the fact that you are a die hard Chiefs fan and think, how do you REALLY think the Chiefs will do this season?


In all honesty, I think this is a do or die season. We will more than likely lose Shields after this season, and possibly Roaf, but then again I have heard that Roaf my play for a couple more seasons, if that's true, and granted he can still play at a high level, then I think our O-line is in good shape. If they both leave, then our line will still be ok, but our younger guys have to step up big time to fill those kinds of shoes. From what I have heard from the OTA's, I don't think that will be a problem.

Here's a question that someone from another board asked me and it got me to think. "If the Chiefs play some teams with good defenses, and if their offense has a few bad games, can you really rely on their defense to win a few games for you?" I told him I didn't really know. I think our defensive line needs to step up big and play this season. Last season it was arguably the strongest part of our defense, but that's not saying much as our LB core was awful as was our secondary. This season on paper it is probably the weakest part of our defense. Can Jared Allen produce even more than what he did last season, or will Carlos Hall take away some PT from him because God knows that Hicks has a secure spot as LE, which pisses me off to no end. Can Dalton produce like he did last season, chances are that he will. Sims is doo-doo butter. He is simply a bust whether you like it or not. I can't believe that CP and DV listened to that jack off buddy from UNC in drafting Sims. I can understand that a QB can often be a bust in the NFL because the QB is the hardest position, but DT??? Come on, given his size and strength, how hard is it to be productive? Siavii needs to replace him as the starter I think. Our LBs will be our strength, no doubt. We will have some of the best speed in the NFL. Can Mitchell hold down the fort at MLB? Last year he showed some signs but he is VERY inconsistant and is a fairly poor tackler as a MLB. He is very athletic and thats a plus and from what I have heard in the OTAs is that he's kicking ass. But thats in no pads. Can he wrap up is the question. Can Ambrose handle the load while Warfield serves his suspension if there is one? In my eyes hes another McCleon but older. Yeah he made the Pro-Bowl, but that was almost a decade ago. Having Deion Sanders is one thing and is the only exception to that. The first 4 games of the Chiefs schedule are tough, real tough. We have always had close games with Denver and Oakland and the Eagles are one of the best teams in the NFL and the Jets are gonna be better than they were last season I think. If we can go 2-2, then its a sure playoff bound Chiefs team in 2005. If we fall to 0-4, then I think this season will be like the last one.

The defensive line and Mitchell I believe are the keys to this defense getting better or respectable. We need a defense that can win us games because our offense wont be there for us all the time, they can only do so much. I'm talking about a defense that can help a team win 14-10 or something like that. I doubt the Chiefs can make that happen. I still think it will take some time to gel the players as one defensive unit. I can see us being very good mid to late season, which is what we need I think, I think its always important to thrive going in to the playoffs. After we play at SD I think our schedule is very favorable. What do you guys think?

NYJ - W
@OAK - W
@DEN - L
PHL - L
Bye
WSH - W
@MIA - W
@SD - L
OAK - W
@BUF - W
@HOU - W
NE - L
DEN - W
@DAL - W
@NYG - W
SD - W
CIN - W

Overall Record 12-4 AFC West Division Champs
I disagree with the NE Loss but I would tack that loss on a different game. NE lost both coordinators. Thus, I don't think they're going to be as good as they were.

Husky4506
07-05-2005, 07:43 PM
Yes it is a do or die season if we wanna be true contenders. Are is gonna better no doubt. Its the Offense, they have to be at least up to par if we want the playoffs and hopefully SB. If we get one more o-line man it would be great and we have the best back up in the league

milkman
07-05-2005, 08:17 PM
I've been on other boards around the internet sports world and there have been alot of people that dog the Chiefs. Some people just plain do not know what they're talking about, but yet others have some key points. Put aside the fact that you are a die hard Chiefs fan and think, how do you REALLY think the Chiefs will do this season?


In all honesty, I think this is a do or die season. We will more than likely lose Shields after this season, and possibly Roaf, but then again I have heard that Roaf my play for a couple more seasons, if that's true, and granted he can still play at a high level, then I think our O-line is in good shape. If they both leave, then our line will still be ok, but our younger guys have to step up big time to fill those kinds of shoes. From what I have heard from the OTA's, I don't think that will be a problem.

Here's a question that someone from another board asked me and it got me to think. "If the Chiefs play some teams with good defenses, and if their offense has a few bad games, can you really rely on their defense to win a few games for you?" I told him I didn't really know. I think our defensive line needs to step up big and play this season. Last season it was arguably the strongest part of our defense, but that's not saying much as our LB core was awful as was our secondary. This season on paper it is probably the weakest part of our defense. Can Jared Allen produce even more than what he did last season, or will Carlos Hall take away some PT from him because God knows that Hicks has a secure spot as LE, which pisses me off to no end. Can Dalton produce like he did last season, chances are that he will. Sims is doo-doo butter. He is simply a bust whether you like it or not. 1.I can't believe that CP and DV listened to that jack off buddy from UNC in drafting Sims. I can understand that a QB can often be a bust in the NFL because the QB is the hardest position, but DT??? Come on, given his size and strength, how hard is it to be productive? Siavii needs to replace him as the starter I think. Our LBs will be our strength, no doubt. We will have some of the best speed in the NFL. Can Mitchell hold down the fort at MLB? Last year he showed some signs but he is VERY inconsistant and is a fairly poor tackler as a MLB. He is very athletic and thats a plus and from what I have heard in the OTAs is that he's kicking ass. But thats in no pads. Can he wrap up is the question. 2.Can Ambrose handle the load while Warfield serves his suspension if there is one? In my eyes hes another McCleon but older. Yeah he made the Pro-Bowl, but that was almost a decade ago. Having Deion Sanders is one thing and is the only exception to that. The first 4 games of the Chiefs schedule are tough, real tough. We have always had close games with Denver and Oakland and the Eagles are one of the best teams in the NFL and the3. Jets are gonna be better than they were last season I think. If we can go 2-2, then its a sure playoff bound Chiefs team in 2005. If we fall to 0-4, then I think this season will be like the last one.

The defensive line and Mitchell I believe are the keys to this defense getting better or respectable. We need a defense that can win us games because our offense wont be there for us all the time, they can only do so much. I'm talking about a defense that can help a team win 14-10 or something like that. I doubt the Chiefs can make that happen. I still think it will take some time to gel the players as one defensive unit. I can see us being very good mid to late season, which is what we need I think, I think its always important to thrive going in to the playoffs. After we play at SD I think our schedule is very favorable. What do you guys think?

NYJ - W
@OAK - W
@DEN - L
PHL - L
Bye
WSH - W
@MIA - W
@SD - L
OAK - W
@BUF - W
@HOU - W
NE - L
DEN - W
@DAL - W
@NYG - W
SD - W
CIN - W

Overall Record 12-4 AFC West Division Champs

Just a couple of points.
I've highligted the points I want address.

1. Sims was rated highly by almost every one coming out of school, and the person that recommended him to Dick and Carl was only one source of info that they considered in this selection.

2. No, Ambrose is not another McCleon.
In spite of his size, or lack thereof, Ambrose is a physical corner that fits into Gun's scheme at the #2 corner spot.
McCleon is more of a zone CB, and works better against the slot.

3. Jets may, or may not be better.
I have my doubts.
However, we'll be catching them early, while they are still trying to learn a new system.

I consider the Jets and Raiders very winnable games, and think we have a chance against Philly.

I think we come out of that first 4 game stretch 2-2 at the worst.

JMO.

Dayze
07-05-2005, 09:25 PM
I really think we'll get to the playoffs. The defense should be just improved enough to not give up 35 pts per game.

However, I'm not sure about any playoff wins at this point.

Rausch
07-05-2005, 09:32 PM
I really think we'll get to the playoffs. The defense should be just improved enough to not give up 35 pts per game.

However, I'm not sure about any playoff wins at this point.

I think we'll go 11-5 in the regualr season and host a playoff game.

If it's at home, or against the Colts or Ravens I'd bet a team of Navy Seals in a loser-chops-off-their-scrote-pact and still sleep like a baby the night before the game...

MGRS13
07-05-2005, 09:37 PM
8 and 8 maybe 9 and 7. No playoffs. Still to many holes in that D.

Deberg_1990
07-05-2005, 09:39 PM
8-8.....I pray for a 12-4 Super Bowl season, but im more realistic. We still have the same D-line, and a few of the crap players over the past few seasons: Hicks, Bartee, McCleon, Sims, Mitchell, Barber and even Warfield to some extent. They have all had their share of poor play. This D should have been completely rebuilt 3 years ago.

jspchief
07-05-2005, 09:50 PM
I'm tempering myself.

There's no reason to think we won't be better than last year, so I'm thinking around 9 or 10 wins. If we could win seven, and beat some of the teams we beat last year, I have to think our defensive additions will add a few wins.

However, I do think the team has the potential to be better if they gel quickly. i don't think lack of talent will hurt us on D nearly as much as lack of chemistry. If the D comes together quickly, we could be very good.

StcChief
07-05-2005, 09:51 PM
12-4 would be great. L@Denver, L - Pats, L-Philly, L @SD

11-5 seems very doable. same 4 losses and a freaky loss on road Dallas or Buffalo.

Either way Playoffs with AFCW or wildcard.

PastorMikH
07-05-2005, 09:55 PM
I think that if the MLB and WR spots come together, and all the important players stay healthy, we'll be fighting the Colts and the Pats for a trip to the SB.

jspchief
07-05-2005, 09:56 PM
12-4 would be great. L@Denver, L - Pats, L-Philly, L @SD

11-5 seems very doable. same 4 losses and a freaky loss on road Dallas or Buffalo.

Either way Playoffs with AFCW or wildcard.If we lose all four of those games you listed, I'll be worried about us in the play-offs. This team needs to beat the quality opponents, especially at home. We need to be able to show that we belong on the porch with the big dogs.

Deberg_1990
07-05-2005, 09:57 PM
Tough question: If the D fails again this year, do they fire Gunther again? IMO, they will be forced too, if he fails to turn this thing around in 2 seasons. Plus they finally gave him some new ammunition to work with.

jspchief
07-05-2005, 10:03 PM
Tough question: If the D fails again this year, do they fire Gunther again? IMO, they will be forced too, if he fails to turn this thing around in 2 seasons. Plus they finally gave him some new ammunition to work with.I couldn't disagree more. For starters, that will only give Gun one year with actual talent on the team. Not many coaches can have that big of an effect that fast. Second, the D is going to need some continuity. Constantly changing coaches and players makes it hard to build chemistry. We'd be firing him just as many of the players were starting to really grasp what he's doing.

I'd say Gun needs at least one more year after this one, to mold a D with the new talent he has.

PastorMikH
07-05-2005, 10:06 PM
Tough question: If the D fails again this year, do they fire Gunther again? IMO, they will be forced too, if he fails to turn this thing around in 2 seasons. Plus they finally gave him some new ammunition to work with.


Actually, I believe all the contracts except maybe Carl's is up this year. IF they fail to make the playoffs this year, I expect a full house cleaning and get some new suits and coaches to start from scratch.

tommykat
07-05-2005, 10:08 PM
Actually, I believe all the contracts except maybe Carl's is up this year. IF they fail to make the playoffs this year, I expect a full house cleaning and get some new suits and coaches to start from scratch.

That would be a first...........starting with CP if we don't go all the way this year............seeing his ass fired would make my day~:D:

Deberg_1990
07-05-2005, 10:11 PM
Actually, I believe all the contracts except maybe Carl's is up this year. IF they fail to make the playoffs this year, I expect a full house cleaning and get some new suits and coaches to start from scratch.


I would tend to agree with this. Honestly, if we have another 6-10 - 8-8 type of year, it would be time for the current regime to go. In all reality as of right this moment, i would honestly have to call the Vermiel years a disappointment so far.

tommykat
07-05-2005, 10:13 PM
I would tend to agree with this. Honestly, if we have another 6-10 - 8-8 type of year, it would be time for the current regime to go. In all reality as of right this moment, i would honestly have to call the Vermiel years a disappointment so far.

I disagree on the DV years............chit he made more improvements in 3 years than I have seen! Don't back talk a COACH~:cuss:

Deberg_1990
07-05-2005, 10:16 PM
I disagree on the DV years............chit he made more improvements in 3 years than I have seen! Don't back talk a COACH~:cuss:

Sure he built the best offense in Chiefs history. Almost 100% of his decisions on offense have been right on the money. But overall, hes only had 1 winning season out of four. He has an overall losing record and he has yet to win a playoff game. That has to be considered a disappointment any way you look at it.

tommykat
07-05-2005, 10:22 PM
Sure he built the best offense in Chiefs history. Almost 100% of his decisions on offense have been right on the money. But overall, hes only had 1 winning season out of four. He has an overall losing record and he has yet to win a playoff game. That has to be considered a disappointment any way you look at it.

I disagree, but like AO we all have them....:D:

jspchief
07-05-2005, 10:23 PM
Sure he built the best offense in Chiefs history. Almost 100% of his decisions on offense have been right on the money. But overall, hes only had 1 winning season out of four. He has an overall losing record and he has yet to win a playoff game. That has to be considered a disappointment any way you look at it.So far, Vermeil is just an offensive version of Marty...but worse.

SuPeRmAn
07-05-2005, 10:36 PM
I think it really depends on injurys. If all goes well with those, I think we could end up with a 10 win season. As for playoffs, anything can happen.

tommykat
07-05-2005, 10:38 PM
I think it really depends on injurys. If all goes well with those, I think we could end up with a 10 win season. As for playoffs, anything can happen.

With our division games 10 would work~:D

Phobia
07-05-2005, 10:38 PM
The Chiefs have been a bastion of disappointment for most my life. Why is 2005 any different?

tommykat
07-05-2005, 10:39 PM
The Chiefs have been a bastion of disappointment for most my life. Why is 2005 any different?

Well Phob you could become a Pat fan then....:p

Phobia
07-05-2005, 10:45 PM
Well Phob you could become a Pat fan then....:p

That's a great idea. Plus, I already have an account at PatriotsPlanet.com - thanks for finally making me see the light. Wow - if only somebody had offered this option in 1993.

tommykat
07-05-2005, 10:46 PM
That's a great idea. Plus, I already have an account at PatriotsPlanet.com - thanks for finally making me see the light. Wow - if only somebody had offered this option in 1993.

Turd.....good come back as always....:harumph:

cmh6476
07-05-2005, 10:47 PM
19-0

Den9899
07-05-2005, 10:49 PM
9-7, No playoffs, but at least no heartbreaking choke job in the playoffs. :clap:

alanm
07-05-2005, 10:52 PM
That's a great idea. Plus, I already have an account at PatriotsPlanet.com - thanks for finally making me see the light. Wow - if only somebody had offered this option in 1993.
No you can't change horses in mid stream. You're stuck Pal. You're stuck for life. :banghead: :banghead: :cuss: :p

yeti
07-05-2005, 10:57 PM
It seems that everyone has assumed DJ will be as good as he should be. I think that whether he shows up will be a very important. With him playing up to the hype we have a fast athletic Lb corp. We won't have the damn broncos running the swing plays all over us and we should be able to contain mobile QB's such as McNabb. Without DJ being a superstar like we think we have the same crappy Lbs save Bell. And like everyone has mentioned the DL is a big ? With good LBs we have 2/3 of the defense taked care of without it only 1/3. I don't think that will get us anywhere we haven't already been.

regald
07-05-2005, 11:10 PM
I say anywhere between 9-7 to 14-2. I really have no idea where they are going to go but I can't seem them NOT making the playoffs after all the free agency acquisitions (it could be a future cap disaster) and this possibly being Dick Vermeils last year.

I'm a Colt's fan, might I remind you, but I still think your offense is extremely solid. Priest Holmes is one of the most underrated runningbacks in the league, if that's even possible, and as long as the defense can keep you in games, you should be fine.

The problem is the defense keeping you in games, getting Kendrell Bell, Sammy Knight, and Patrick Surtain should do the trick. Derrick Johnson is being toted as a savior already, but I'll have to see how he performs.

This is a defense that's been a weak point for your team, mainly the secondary because anyone can throw at you. For people who claim Eric Warfield is a premiere corner, you're crazy. This guy needs to up his game to be the #2 or dime behind Surtain in order for you to keep teams from throwing.

It actually may all come down to your secondary, Sammy Knight could be one of the biggest additions that many people don't notice. Teams will have to throw to keep up, they should be able to force some turnovers and change some balls games.

Anyway, what are the football forums you guys go to? I'm a football freak and I have no idea where most people go to talk football, I generally go to a Madden forum or the colt's forums. Any tips would be appreciated.

yeti
07-05-2005, 11:15 PM
I say anywhere between 9-7 to 14-2. I really have no idea where they are going to go but I can't seem them NOT making the playoffs after all the free agency acquisitions (it could be a future cap disaster) and this possibly being Dick Vermeils last year.

I'm a Colt's fan, might I remind you, but I still think your offense is extremely solid. Priest Holmes is one of the most underrated runningbacks in the league, if that's even possible, and as long as the defense can keep you in games, you should be fine.

The problem is the defense keeping you in games, getting Kendrell Bell, Sammy Knight, and Patrick Surtain should do the trick. Derrick Johnson is being toted as a savior already, but I'll have to see how he performs.

This is a defense that's been a weak point for your team, mainly the secondary because anyone can throw at you. For people who claim Eric Warfield is a premiere corner, you're crazy. This guy needs to up his game to be the #2 or dime behind Surtain in order for you to keep teams from throwing.

It actually may all come down to your secondary, Sammy Knight could be one of the biggest additions that many people don't notice. Teams will have to throw to keep up, they should be able to force some turnovers and change some balls games.

Anyway, what are the football forums you guys go to? I'm a football freak and I have no idea where most people go to talk football, I generally go to a Madden forum or the colt's forums. Any tips would be appreciated.


Anymore, I rarely leave the planet.

Reaper16
07-05-2005, 11:16 PM
I say anywhere between 9-7 to 14-2. I really have no idea where they are going to go but I can't seem them NOT making the playoffs after all the free agency acquisitions (it could be a future cap disaster) and this possibly being Dick Vermeils last year.

I'm a Colt's fan, might I remind you, but I still think your offense is extremely solid. Priest Holmes is one of the most underrated runningbacks in the league, if that's even possible, and as long as the defense can keep you in games, you should be fine.

The problem is the defense keeping you in games, getting Kendrell Bell, Sammy Knight, and Patrick Surtain should do the trick. Derrick Johnson is being toted as a savior already, but I'll have to see how he performs.

This is a defense that's been a weak point for your team, mainly the secondary because anyone can throw at you. For people who claim Eric Warfield is a premiere corner, you're crazy. This guy needs to up his game to be the #2 or dime behind Surtain in order for you to keep teams from throwing.

It actually may all come down to your secondary, Sammy Knight could be one of the biggest additions that many people don't notice. Teams will have to throw to keep up, they should be able to force some turnovers and change some balls games.

Anyway, what are the football forums you guys go to? I'm a football freak and I have no idea where most people go to talk football, I generally go to a Madden forum or the colt's forums. Any tips would be appreciated.


No one thinks Warfield is an elite corner, still he's better than what your Colts have. You guys looking into the Ty Law sweepstakes?

See, your team is in kinda the same boat as us. We both have stellar offenses; the two best in the NFL, easily. If we stay healthy, our offenses are good enough to reach the playoffs. Come playoff time, our defenses need to step it up.

And I'd rather sleep at night behind the Cheifs defense with the new acquisitions, than the Colts' current defense.

regald
07-05-2005, 11:25 PM
lol, I'm not trying to debate who has the better defense or overall team.

I agree, your free agent acquisitions are very enticing.

I think of the biggest factors that led your team to the record they achieved last year compared to the year prior is confidence.

Generally, Winning teams go through a tough win in order for them to go on a winning streak, this has a snow piling effect where wins just come and the team builds confidence.

This happened when the Colt's beat the Bucanneers (Defending SB Champs) when trailing by 21 points with 4 minutes left in 2003. This came when Carolina beat the Rams in the playoffs in 2004, this came when Pittsburge rallied to beat the Dolphins in week 3 last year. There are many examples.

Anyway, I think your momentum and confidence was shattered the year prior thanks to Peyton Manning. Up until that point, you were viewed as almost unbeatable, you could tell from that time going forth that the defense needed a huge overall and it was being more so viewed as the achilles heel. Where as before, they had done just enough to keep you in ball games.

If you can gain momentum next year and your defense makes a strong stand in a come from behind win, you can still become that Chiefs team that went 14-2 a few years prior (I believe that was the record).

arrowhead20
07-05-2005, 11:26 PM
all our defense has to do is hold up a 4th quarter lead, witch it is capable of doing now, but they will suprise alot of people this year in the turnover dept. that alone will win us 4 games. the offense will pick up where they left off last year.

12-4 div champs, 1st rnd bye, superbowl, win? cant say right now.

Nzoner
07-05-2005, 11:44 PM
If you can gain momentum next year and your defense makes a strong stand in a come from behind win, you can still become that Chiefs team that went 14-2 a few years prior (I believe that was the record).

Actually it was 13-3,the dreaded 13-3.

NJ Chief Fan
07-06-2005, 12:54 AM
what do i think they will do this season...not much capture their second lombardi trophy

Rausch
07-06-2005, 01:30 AM
Manning didn't ruin anyone's confidence. Gunther brought confidence back to the defense, which mauled Manning the first half of our game last year. The one where we beat you. By 10.

But our defense was averge as far as talent, and just dog-d!ck slow at LB and piss poor at CB. Then you add injuries and they just never improved.

Our defense was confident enough to play well for 2 or 3 quarters, but almost never for the whole game, and definitely not for the course of the season.

When you've tried every scheme and coverage under the sun and the guy playing opposite Warfield get's burned EVERY third and long...no, our CB's were what made the team doubt.

C-Mac
07-06-2005, 01:44 AM
Here's a question that someone from another board asked me and it got me to think. "If the Chiefs play some teams with good defenses, and if their offense has a few bad games, can you really rely on their defense to win a few games for you?"

Since they did flat out win a few games last year like Atlanta and Denver, it's not that far of a stretch to think they could improve on that.

CoMoChief
07-06-2005, 01:56 AM
Since they did flat out win a few games last year like Atlanta and Denver, it's not that far of a stretch to think they could improve on that.



The offense and ball control is what won us both of those games on offense. The defense played well, but we won both games by 30+ points. I was talking about something like if our offense was doing bad and we needed the defense to pull us out, not the offense like it has for the past few seaons.

C-Mac
07-06-2005, 08:30 AM
The offense and ball control is what won us both of those games on offense. The defense played well, but we won both games by 30+ points. I was talking about something like if our offense was doing bad and we needed the defense to pull us out, not the offense like it has for the past few seaons.

Well if the offense doesnt score any points, I dont know of any defense you could expect win the game for you. Personally I think that Atlanta game was one of Guns finest hours and no doubt the home game with Denver was another great coached game. I seen gradual improvement in the defense the last few games with the exception of the last useless SD game. Again its not far fetched to think that this D with Gun, the new attitude and the new personel changes, will be a very good D to be proud of.

bobbything
07-06-2005, 08:44 AM
Personally I think that Atlanta game was one of Guns finest hours and no doubt the home game with Denver was another great coached game.
I honestly don't see how teams can't prepare for Atlanta on defense. Vick flat out can't pass, and his receivers are horrible, sans Crumpler. So, you prepare for the run on every single snap.

Even though Atlanta came into KC white hot last season, I really wasn't scared of them. Their defense was decent but, they weren't going to hold us to under 25 points at home. That was a given. And their offense was very one dimensional. Supposedly, they had this great running game, yet, the 31st ranked defense completely shut them down.

I don't think that the coaching was all that fantastic on our part. I just don't think Atlanta is that good. And I don't think they'll be that good this year.

CoMoChief
07-06-2005, 08:48 AM
Well if the offense doesnt score any points, I dont know of any defense you could expect win the game for you. Personally I think that Atlanta game was one of Guns finest hours and no doubt the home game with Denver was another great coached game. I seen gradual improvement in the defense the last few games with the exception of the last useless SD game. Again its not far fetched to think that this D with Gun, the new attitude and the new personel changes, will be a very good D to be proud of.



Okay, first when I say thta our defense is having a bad day I mean like scoring 14-20 points. Secondly, we had the ball like something around 48 mins in that game to their 12. Thats insane and you SHOULD win a football game if you have the ball that much more than someone.

C-Mac
07-06-2005, 09:31 AM
Okay, first when I say thta our defense is having a bad day I mean like scoring 14-20 points. Secondly, we had the ball like something around 48 mins in that game to their 12. Thats insane and you SHOULD win a football game if you have the ball that much more than someone.

The score was 56-10, I wonder how the offense got the ball so many times?

C-Mac
07-06-2005, 09:36 AM
I honestly don't see how teams can't prepare for Atlanta on defense. Vick flat out can't pass, and his receivers are horrible, sans Crumpler. So, you prepare for the run on every single snap.

Even though Atlanta came into KC white hot last season, I really wasn't scared of them. Their defense was decent but, they weren't going to hold us to under 25 points at home. That was a given. And their offense was very one dimensional. Supposedly, they had this great running game, yet, the 31st ranked defense completely shut them down.

I don't think that the coaching was all that fantastic on our part. I just don't think Atlanta is that good. And I don't think they'll be that good this year.

I wonder how such a lousy team went the next week to Denver and embarrased them soundly 48-28 then go on to make it to the NFC Championship game.

Brock
07-06-2005, 09:41 AM
I wonder how such a lousy team went the next week to Denver and embarrased them soundly 48-28 then go on to make it to the NFC Championship game.

Because Mike Shanahan is an idiot?

TEX
07-06-2005, 09:44 AM
If we get off to a 2-2 start or better after 4 games, I think we'll go 11-5 and win the division. If not then we swap with the Bolts in my picks below and are in Wild Card contention where we might finish 10-6. I think this Chiefs team will be good enough to win the division and at the very least be a Wild Card team.

I see it like this...

KC - 11-5
SD - 9-7
DEN - 8-8
Oak - 7-9

Just my take.

C-Mac
07-06-2005, 09:45 AM
You know technically the Baltimore game was also a good coached defensive game. There was one long pass with very poor tackling and a special teams breakdown, but other than that the defensive keep the Chiefs in that game also. I'm not going to concede to discrediting the defense and coaching when its obvious they did a good job.
Were they consistent, no, will they be better this year, very likey.

bobbything
07-06-2005, 09:51 AM
I wonder how such a lousy team went the next week to Denver and embarrased them soundly 48-28 then go on to make it to the NFC Championship game.
Denver wasn't exactly a fantastic team last season either. But, let Denver play that game 4 more times and I would bet they win all four games. I know that's not the way the NFL works, and I know there's no way to prove it, but I think that the worst team in the AFC would have made the NFC Championship game last season.

You will never convince me that Atlanta is good. But I do agree that the Baltimore game was a wonderfully coached defensive game.

piattrocks
07-06-2005, 10:10 AM
I honestly think that the Chiefs will make the playoffs this year.

Order of the division:

Chiefs
San Diego
Oakland
Denver

I think S. Diego will have a tougher time with teams like New England, the Jets, and Philadelphia.

I am gaurenteeing a KC victory over Philly. (I'm from the Philly area, and a philly downswing is in the cards. While they have a super-easy schedule and should walk into the playoffs, i wouldn't be surprised if Washington rose to challenge the NFC East)
Philly is weak against the run, and dominated an insanely weak NFC. The game is at Arrowhead... and KC dominated the league's other run-happy QB last year (Mike Vick). Plus, most of Philly's good players are holding out (owen, westbrook, ect)... And who can philly throw it to? Mitchell is a Chief now... Pinkston? HA!
Even w/o Warfield for this game it shouldn't be a problem, as philly has few weapons. Owens, Westbrook, and repeat. LJ Smith once in a while at the goal line. This game could become a blowout and wake Philly up to the news: they missed the Superbowl, and they are out of chances to redeem themselves. Errr... is Owens even healthy? (afterthought)

I believe in the KC 2005 Defence
Revising the "first 11 players to the stadium can play defence" policy of the past was a good idea. I believe that even if the new D doesn't mesh instantly, it'll still be better than what was on the field last year. The new punter helps immediately. Surtain... awesome. Warfield might miss a few games, but everything will work out fine. KC has met thier needs and will compete. As the season rolls on, the D will improve, players will come off of injuries and return, and it'll be even that much stronger. It wont be the number one D... but it'll be in the top 15.


KC begins its Super Bowl run now.
God Speed.

C-Mac
07-06-2005, 10:13 AM
Denver wasn't exactly a fantastic team last season either. But, let Denver play that game 4 more times and I would bet they win all four games. I know that's not the way the NFL works, and I know there's no way to prove it, but I think that the worst team in the AFC would have made the NFC Championship game last season.
You will never convince me that Atlanta is good. But I do agree that the Baltimore game was a wonderfully coached defensive game.

.....with the exception of Denver I assume?
The Falcons beat every AFC team they faced except KC, so I dont agree that they dont merit some respect.

bobbything
07-06-2005, 10:17 AM
.....with the exception of Denver I assume?
No. Like I said, if Denver and Altanta were to meet up again, in the playoffs (I know, not possible), I believe Denver would have won.

Lbedrock1
07-06-2005, 10:39 AM
I think one of the problems you have with predicting how a team will do is you never know who will lose a step as a player or who will gain one. Im always going to predict that the chiefs will do fine because I have a 50-50 chance of being right. I predict that the patriots run is over so that gives us a chance to be there. I believe we will be 3-1 going into our bye and we will not lose to Denver. I believe we will be tough this year and not soft like the previous years. Offense will not slap us around like they have in previous years. None of this means we will win, but it does mean we have a fighting chance. Here is my prediction, The Chiefs will win at least 3 more games this year then they did last year now where ever that puts them that is where they will fall rather they are at home or in the playoffs.

piattrocks
07-06-2005, 01:19 PM
if they're 3-1 out of the gates, who do they lose to out of the first 4?
The toughest 2, in my opinion, will the Oakland and the Jets...

On another note, here is a shopping list for what KC better do or have done this year:

1) Win at Mile High... its about time.
2) Have Lawrence Tynes prove himself in the clutch... or at all, for that matter. I dont care how much cheaper he was than the Ageless One... he's got to kick it through the uprights!
3) Show some improvement on defence. Right now, Chief fans will take anything, but the only thing we need to see is some wins.
4) Beat San Diego - unlike the Denver game which has GOT to be IN DENVER, i dont care where SD goes down, as long as they do (at least once this year)
5) Win both against Oakland. - Randy who? They've got no defence... (the raiders, that is) the new chief's D needs to prove that it can handle the new threats in Oakland.
6) Leave Freddie Mitchell at a gas station while on the road. - the guy is a distraction who cannot back up what he says.
7) Punt the ball further than 20 yards. Hopefully the new kicker will have this covered.
8) Come up with a plan to keep the Chiefs in KC.
9) Do not choke in the playoffs!!!!!!!

regald
07-06-2005, 02:25 PM
One thing everyone needs to remember is that EVERY TEAM IS DIFFERENT EVERY YEAR.

Right now, none of us know how a single team will do and we can only guess based on last year's teams. It's actually unfair because many of us have the oppurtunity to go rewatch certain games, but it's actually detrimental in a way because it will have nothing to do with this year's team.

The Chiefs defense could come out the gate as #1 or #32 and Priest Holmes could return to his record breaking form from year's past.

NJ Chief Fan
07-06-2005, 02:30 PM
Because Mike Shanahan is an idiot?


good point