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crispystl420
07-05-2005, 02:31 PM
I'm adding the players we acquired this off season to the chiefs defense and I want to make it as accurate as possible. By the way has anyone else done this I know I'ts only madden and doesn't mean shit but man it is so nice to play with the chiefs d and actually ahve some freaking SPEED!
Thanks

RedThat
07-05-2005, 02:32 PM
I'm adding the players we acquired this off season to the chiefs defense and I want to make it as accurate as possible. By the way has anyone else done this I know I'ts only madden and doesn't mean shit but man it is so nice to play with the chiefs d and actually ahve some freaking SPEED!
Thanks

give him an 80. He's a rook...you know what I mean?

crispystl420
07-05-2005, 02:34 PM
thats funny I did make him 80. with 90 speed you think that's too fast?

Fruit Ninja
07-05-2005, 02:36 PM
thats funny I did make him 80. with 90 speed you think that's too fast?
for a linebacker yeah probalby, 85 tops.

Lzen
07-05-2005, 02:37 PM
90 speed is probably a little too fast. I imported my draft class from NCAA and drafted him so I didn't have to guess. I don't remember what he was, though. I can tell you that he was in the 90s overall by his 2nd season, though. I'll import that draft class again and let you know what he is if I get some time tonight.

RedThat
07-05-2005, 02:37 PM
thats funny I did make him 80. with 90 speed you think that's too fast?

no that's realistic DJ is really really fast...Make his coverage skills high up there as well. Make it like 85 or something. I would put the tackling a bit low, maybe like 70, 75.

Brock
07-05-2005, 02:38 PM
Take Ray Lewis x 1,000!

RedThat
07-05-2005, 02:39 PM
Guys, 4.5 for 40....is what DJ ran! That's like RB speed, and some RB's are ranked 90 speed in Madden(Portis). However, 90 is slightly high, take it down a tad and make him 87, or 88.

crispystl420
07-05-2005, 02:45 PM
Yeah I figured a 4.5 translated to about 90 speed. I would ahve just imported the draft class but when I moved from my roomates when shared games so I got madden he got Ncaa football. What do you thin about kawika mitchell I mean I don't have a clue about him so I just put Bell in the middle( he's a freaking monster on that game)
What's funny is mcleon is my best player so far he gets like two picks a game and they're always lame ducks caused by Johnson smashing the qb

crispystl420
07-05-2005, 02:46 PM
Take Ray Lewis x 1,000!
Ray Lewis x 1000 = Derrick Thomas

TRR
07-05-2005, 02:49 PM
Here is a link to a website that lists all new acquisitions for the Chiefs and what they "should" be rated at. They have all the draftees as well.

Provided by my man Royr17...
http://tsxdata.com/fbgratings/members/view.php?team=Chiefs&sortby=lna&order=ASC

crispystl420
07-05-2005, 02:51 PM
Here is a link to a website that lists all new acquisitions for the Chiefs and what they "should" be rated at. They have all the draftees as well.

Provided by my man Royr17...
http://tsxdata.com/fbgratings/members/view.php?team=Chiefs&sortby=lna&order=ASC
Sweet thanks man

TRR
07-05-2005, 02:54 PM
Sweet thanks man

Not a problem. Isn't it nice to play with some athletic D players? I've added all of KC's FA draft picks/FA acquisitions, and it's unbelievable. The CPU never throws to Surtain's side. I have to play zone just so he can get some action over there. Also, Carlos Hall is a beast. I put him in for Allen and Hicks in different packages, and he can get flat out get to the QB. Ashley Ambrose is also solid as a nickel/dime CB.

RedThat
07-05-2005, 02:58 PM
Not a problem. Isn't it nice to play with some athletic D players? I've added all of KC's FA draft picks/FA acquisitions, and it's unbelievable. The CPU never throws to Surtain's side. I have to play zone just so he can get some action over there. Also, Carlos Hall is a beast. I put him in for Allen and Hicks in different packages, and he can get flat out get to the QB. Ashley Ambrose is also solid as a nickel/dime CB.

He may soon as well add Ty Law to that list!

RedThat
07-05-2005, 03:01 PM
Yeah I figured a 4.5 translated to about 90 speed. I would ahve just imported the draft class but when I moved from my roomates when shared games so I got madden he got Ncaa football. What do you thin about kawika mitchell I mean I don't have a clue about him so I just put Bell in the middle( he's a freaking monster on that game)
What's funny is mcleon is my best player so far he gets like two picks a game and they're always lame ducks caused by Johnson smashing the qb

If Bell is a monster in the middle, leave him there and make Mitchell a backup.
I woulda put Mitchell in the middle, and Bell on the outside like the Chiefs plan on doing.

brorth
07-05-2005, 03:03 PM
UH OH...
Mike Maslowski 78
Boomer Grigsby 70
Kawika Mitchell 68
Rich Scanlon 60

What does John Madden have against Rich Scanlon???

TRR
07-05-2005, 03:03 PM
He may soon as well add Ty Law to that list!

Probably not.

TRR
07-05-2005, 03:04 PM
If Bell is a monster in the middle, leave him there and make Mitchell a backup.
I woulda put Mitchell in the middle, and Bell on the outside like the Chiefs plan on doing.

I always play realistically. Right now, it looks like Mitchell is the starter at MLB. I would play him there. Move Bell over to OLB and blitz him non-stop. He still makes a ton of plays at OLB. I run a lot of D out of the Dime package, and I have Bell as my MLB then.

jAZ
07-05-2005, 03:07 PM
???

78 Holcombe, Robert RB 5-11 208 Illinois

76 +4 Johnson, Larry RB 6-1 230 Penn State

TRR
07-05-2005, 03:16 PM
???

78 Holcombe, Robert RB 5-11 208 Illinois

76 +4 Johnson, Larry RB 6-1 230 Penn State

Yeah some of the rankings make you take a second look. Most a pretty accurate though. You can always bump up the players attributes.

RedThat
07-05-2005, 03:20 PM
I always play realistically. Right now, it looks like Mitchell is the starter at MLB. I would play him there. Move Bell over to OLB and blitz him non-stop. He still makes a ton of plays at OLB. I run a lot of D out of the Dime package, and I have Bell as my MLB then.

That's a good way to do it.

RedThat
07-05-2005, 03:20 PM
Probably not.

Eat crow, ok pal!
:p :p

Lzen
07-05-2005, 03:55 PM
If Bell is a monster in the middle, leave him there and make Mitchell a backup.
I woulda put Mitchell in the middle, and Bell on the outside like the Chiefs plan on doing.

That's what I did. Mitchell will improve a lot on the game as long as you keep winning.

Hercules Rockefell
07-05-2005, 04:03 PM
thats funny I did make him 80. with 90 speed you think that's too fast?

What was DJ Williams' speed last year? Both ran 4.55s. That's a decent indicator of what you should put Derrick Johnson at.

royr17
07-05-2005, 05:10 PM
I've got the ratings for DJ, I could pull it up and give it to you.

royr17
07-05-2005, 05:12 PM
If you still want them from the NCAA roster imported then i'll put them on here.

CoMoChief
07-05-2005, 05:27 PM
thats funny I did make him 80. with 90 speed you think that's too fast?


The fastest LB ive ever seen on madden is 89 speed.

royr17
07-05-2005, 05:28 PM
Im gettin the ratings for Derrick Johnson ready.

crispystl420
07-05-2005, 05:35 PM
thanks roy that be cool. I fugged it up I forgot about carlos hall and the punter colquit (sp check?) and Jared allen now not to mention Ambrose so I have to make another season to fix it. Yes you guys are right it is so nice to be able to play my friends and actually be THE CHIEFS now that they have some spped on d
by the way roy I got scanlon 99 everything I guess I should put him inn the middle as the starter

NJ Chief Fan
07-05-2005, 05:36 PM
The fastest LB ive ever seen on madden is 89 speed.
if you play as the chiefs 199? dt speed is a 90 or 91 i dont remember which, but yea urlacher was the fastest lb with an 89 speed

crispystl420
07-05-2005, 05:38 PM
if you play as the chiefs 199? dt speed is a 90 or 91 i dont remember which, but yea urlacher was the fastest lb with an 89 speed
man your sig is tight I want that pic framed in my living room

royr17
07-05-2005, 05:43 PM
thanks roy that be cool. I fugged it up I forgot about carlos hall and the punter colquit (sp check?) and Jared allen now not to mention Ambrose so I have to make another season to fix it. Yes you guys are right it is so nice to be able to play my friends and actually be THE CHIEFS now that they have some spped on d
by the way roy I got scanlon 99 everything I guess I should put him inn the middle as the starter

Yep, if you need Colquitt raings i can get them for you too.

Here's is DJ, age, height, weight, face everything.

Derrick Johnson, 22 years old, Texas, LOLB, 56, Rookie, Right
6'3" 242 lbs., Dark, Black, Fade, 91, 4
3-Bar RB, Clear Visor, Black Eye Paint, BK extended, TC Gloves, WT Half

SPD 87
STR 72
AWR 65
AGI 81
ACC 89
CTH 60
CAR 29
JMP 75
BTK 31
TAK 78
THP 19
THA 20
PBK 28
RBK 35
KPW 19
KAC 20
KR 12
STA 90
INJ 93
TGH 92

royr17
07-05-2005, 05:44 PM
I had to change speed, strength, awareness, tackle, stamina, injury, and toughness cause they were too low.

royr17
07-05-2005, 05:45 PM
Besides forget Ambrose cause i think he retires after year 1.

royr17
07-05-2005, 05:45 PM
I actually gave DJ a rating of 84 or 85.

crispystl420
07-05-2005, 05:46 PM
thanks you for helping out a noob you guys although i dont post much I,ve been on this board evryday for like the last three years so I figured it was time I started posting

|Zach|
07-05-2005, 05:46 PM
I had to change speed, strength, awareness, tackle, stamina, injury, and toughness cause they were too low.
heh

royr17
07-05-2005, 05:47 PM
Im in year 6 of my first franchise, and arrowhead is no more, i just created a new stadium called Hank Stram Memorial.

crispystl420
07-05-2005, 05:48 PM
I guess I'll just use ambrose's stats from last year
shit I wish i was worrying about Ty Laws stats

royr17
07-05-2005, 05:48 PM
thanks you for helping out a noob you guys although i dont post much I,ve been on this board evryday for like the last three years so I figured it was time I started posting

As far as Rich Scanlon, I gave him 81 speed, 78 strength, agility 75, accelerating 85, catch 54, and tackle 85.

royr17
07-05-2005, 05:49 PM
I guess I'll just use ambrose's stats from last year
shit I wish i was worrying about Ty Laws stats

Not sure but think Ambrose retires after first season, they need to make a way where you can try to talk your players out of retiring.

crispystl420
07-05-2005, 06:10 PM
Not sure but think Ambrose retires after first season, they need to make a way where you can try to talk your players out of retiring.
I figured you'd have him higher than that Roy. Yeah it should be like NCAA where you could sacrifice mini camp points or something to entice them to stay.Scanlon that is not ambrose

crispystl420
07-05-2005, 06:16 PM
That last post was jacked up I meant you should be able to talk players into staying but I figured you would have scanlon ranked higher than that. (it's the beer talking I'm on vacation what can I say?)

royr17
07-05-2005, 06:20 PM
That last post was jacked up I meant you should be able to talk players into staying but I figured you would have scanlon ranked higher than that. (it's the beer talking I'm on vacation what can I say?)

Well see i dont try to overrate players.

I try to give a player the rating they should have. Like i think i had Scanlon at a 73 overall and he still beat out Kawika for the MLB spot.

royr17
07-05-2005, 06:21 PM
but crispstl420 i'll be back at 9

royr17
07-05-2005, 06:25 PM
That last post was jacked up I meant you should be able to talk players into staying but I figured you would have scanlon ranked higher than that. (it's the beer talking I'm on vacation what can I say?)

But if you need anymore ratings left me know, i'd be more then willing to help you out.

Jamie
07-05-2005, 07:33 PM
This is my guess of Derrick Johnson's ratings, based on computer-created rookie combine numbers compared to their ratings. Of course, when Madden rates real players they don't adhere to their created rookie scale.

speed: low 80's or high 70's (4.54 40yrd)
acc: mid to high 90's (3.87 shuttle)
agi: low 70's (7.21 3 cone)
str: low 70's (21 reps)

beer bacon
07-05-2005, 08:05 PM
The two things that stuck out to me on that link TRR provided are that Larry Johnson only has a 76 and that Warfield has a rating of 86.

You would think after last year LJ could crack 80. Looking at other teams, it looks like they really don't like to give backup RBs ratings of over 80.

Warfield has a 86. Ken Lucas is rated a 87, Samari Rolle has 88, Antoine Winfield is 86, and Fred Smoot is only 84. I thought he played consistantly good last year, despite our horrible pass defense, but I had thought that most non-Chief fans hadn't noticed. It is nice to see him get some props for having a good season.

Merril Hoge
07-05-2005, 09:59 PM
TAK 78


EASports agrees with me! Derrick Johnson can't tackle!

royr17
07-06-2005, 02:34 AM
EASports agrees with me! Derrick Johnson can't tackle!

EA didnt come up with that, I did.

Lzen
07-06-2005, 09:13 PM
Here is how Derrick Johnson's ratings look on my Madden via NCAA 05 draft import. And no, I didn't change any of these ratings. He's already pretty good and he'll be very good by his 2nd year.

OVR 83
SPD 86
STR 77
AWR 73
AGI 82
ACC 89
CTH 59
CAR 30
JMP 75
BTK 29
TAK 75
THP 20
THA 19
PBK 19
RBK 20
KPW 19
KAC 20
KR 12
IMP 63
STA 83
INJ 65
TGH 84

Lzen
07-06-2005, 09:23 PM
I made DJ a starter in the base defense in his rookie year. By midseason, he was playing as one of the 2 LBs in the nickel, as well. Anyway, I got to the SB in Derrick's first season but lost to the Eagles 24-17. Got back to the SB and won it in his 2nd season (don't remember the score but it wasn't real close this time). I'm now at the 3rd game of DJ's 3rd season, 2007. Here are his current rankings.

OVR 96
SPD 85
STR 74
AWR 86
AGI 80
ACC 89
CTH 60
CAR 29
JMP 74
BTK 29
TAK 97 (ha, take that Hoge)
THP 19
THA 20
PBK 20
RBK 20
KPW 19
KAC 20
KR 12
IMP 79
STA 79
INJ 64
TGH 59

mcan
07-06-2005, 09:38 PM
OVR: ??
SPD 86
STR 70
AWR 64 (I figure this should take a couple years)
AGI 83
ACC 94
CTH 53
CAR 20
JMP 79
BTK 18
TAK 83
THP 28
THA 15
PBK 8
RBK 14
KPW 18
KAC 2
KR 38
IMP 72
STA 84
INJ 88
TGH 90

royr17
07-07-2005, 11:01 PM
Here's my ratings that i gave him on my franchise.

SPD 87
STR 72
AWR 65
AGI 81
ACC 89
CTH 60
CAR 29
JMP 75
BTK 31
TAK 85
THP 19
THA 20
PBK 28
RBK 35
KPW 19
KAC 20
KR 12
STA 90
INJ 93
TGH 92

royr17
07-07-2005, 11:07 PM
I've got these ratings right here from a guy from gamefaqs of DJ.

Funny thing is they compare to the ones i made.

SPD: 87
STR: 71
AWR: 58
AGI: 81
ACL: 88
CAR: 55
CTH: 51
JMP: 70
BTK: 45
TKL: 87
PBL: 35
RBL: 35
THP: 25
TAC: 25
KRT: 10
STM: 85
INJ: 87
TGH: 90

Reaper16
07-07-2005, 11:07 PM
I made DJ a starter in the base defense in his rookie year. By midseason, he was playing as one of the 2 LBs in the nickel, as well. Anyway, I got to the SB in Derrick's first season but lost to the Eagles 24-17. Got back to the SB and won it in his 2nd season (don't remember the score but it wasn't real close this time). I'm now at the 3rd game of DJ's 3rd season, 2007. Here are his current rankings.

OVR 96
SPD 85
STR 74
AWR 86
AGI 80
ACC 89
CTH 60
CAR 29
JMP 74
BTK 29
TAK 97 (ha, take that Hoge)
THP 19
THA 20
PBK 20
RBK 20
KPW 19
KAC 20
KR 12
IMP 79
STA 79
INJ 64
TGH 59

That's very similar to my DJ import. Mine turned out 99 overall by the third season, but I had sort of generous sliders going on all-madden mode.

SoCalBronco
07-08-2005, 02:10 AM
Our DJ's still better, although you got a very good one as well.

Count Alex's Wins
07-08-2005, 02:17 AM
Our DJ's still better, although you got a very good one as well.

Bullshit. Ours was the Butkus award winner.

beer bacon
07-08-2005, 02:18 AM
Our DJ's still better, although you got a very good one as well.

We might want to actually wait and see him play before we decide that.

Rausch
07-08-2005, 02:20 AM
Frankly,who cares what the Madden people think?

As long as you can edit the rosters and adjust ratings accordingly it's really all about who you think deserves whatever rating...

SoCalBronco
07-08-2005, 03:30 AM
Bullshit. Ours was the Butkus award winner.

Bob sometimes college production isnt always the most probative evidence. Kansas State's Josh Buhl was a First Team All American at LB in 2003 and was, i believe either a 7th round selection or a UDFA by the Cleveland Browns. I dont know if he even made the Browns team. He certainly wasnt even a starter. Williams was 3rd Team All America.

Your boy Keyaron Fox had, what around 150 tackles in 2003 with Georgia Tech. Williams had only 83 tackles.

We can go back and forth all day. Johnson won the Butkus Award. Williams was the No. 1 recruit in the nation coming out of High School and highest ranked HS prospect since SuperPrep began its publications in 1985, racking up over 300 tackles on defense, almost 100 for a loss, and rushing for well over 4,000 yards and scoring over 70 TDs in his HS career at the top program in America, being state player of the year 3 years in a row. Johnson, while not as highly touted was more productive in college and was a great all around player. Johnson ran a 4.56 40 yd dash at the combine. Williams ran a 4.53 yd dash at his pro day and 4.47 a year before that. We can go back and forth all day.

College production is not always the most probative piece of evidence. There are other things like raw athletic ability that is untapped, and how they were utilized in the scheme etc.
That said, i think Johnson will be a very good NFL LB and i thought he was an excellent pick for the Chiefs as I told you on draft day when I gave the Chiefs an A grade for their draft.

I think they both flash big time speed for LBs. Williams is significantly stronger, especially in the base and lower body and a much better tackler. He is a very sure tackler. Both struggle at getting off blocks. Curiously, Williams does a great job using his hands to tackle, he doesnt use them well at all to shed blocks even though he is extremely strong (its strange, he blows up lineman in horrific collisions going back to 2001 but cant get off them with his hands). I have rarely seen a guy that large move that fast and show that much strength. Johnson, by contrast, uses his hands great to force fumbles with his special tackling technique, but i think his problems in sheddling blocks are due more to a lack of strength even though he is listed at 242...in reality its more like 235, (combine weights generally are a bit higher than playing weight, as evidenced by Williams weighing in at 250, despite his playing weight being 243-5). 235 is too slender for a 6'4 guy. Both are very good in pass coverage, showing good burst to the ball in flight, Johnson is a little better though. Johnson has better height as well.

Both are really good with good upsides. Each has some things to improve on. I like our guy a little more though. I think both will be in the pro bowl several times.

royr17
07-08-2005, 04:11 AM
Bob sometimes college production isnt always the most probative evidence. Kansas State's Josh Buhl was a First Team All American at LB in 2003 and was, i believe either a 7th round selection or a UDFA by the Cleveland Browns. I dont know if he even made the Browns team. He certainly wasnt even a starter. Williams was 3rd Team All America.

Your boy Keyaron Fox had, what around 150 tackles in 2003 with Georgia Tech. Williams had only 83 tackles.

We can go back and forth all day. Johnson won the Butkus Award. Williams was the No. 1 recruit in the nation coming out of High School and highest ranked HS prospect since SuperPrep began its publications in 1985, racking up over 300 tackles on defense, almost 100 for a loss, and rushing for well over 4,000 yards and scoring over 70 TDs in his HS career at the top program in America, being state player of the year 3 years in a row. Johnson, while not as highly touted was more productive in college and was a great all around player. Johnson ran a 4.56 40 yd dash at the combine. Williams ran a 4.53 yd dash at his pro day and 4.47 a year before that. We can go back and forth all day.

College production is not always the most probative piece of evidence. There are other things like raw athletic ability that is untapped, and how they were utilized in the scheme etc.
That said, i think Johnson will be a very good NFL LB and i thought he was an excellent pick for the Chiefs as I told you on draft day when I gave the Chiefs an A grade for their draft.

I think they both flash big time speed for LBs. Williams is significantly stronger, especially in the base and lower body and a much better tackler. He is a very sure tackler. Both struggle at getting off blocks. Curiously, Williams does a great job using his hands to tackle, he doesnt use them well at all to shed blocks even though he is extremely strong (its strange, he blows up lineman in horrific collisions going back to 2001 but cant get off them with his hands). I have rarely seen a guy that large move that fast and show that much strength. Johnson, by contrast, uses his hands great to force fumbles with his special tackling technique, but i think his problems in sheddling blocks are due more to a lack of strength even though he is listed at 242...in reality its more like 235, (combine weights generally are a bit higher than playing weight, as evidenced by Williams weighing in at 250, despite his playing weight being 243-5). 235 is too slender for a 6'4 guy. Both are very good in pass coverage, showing good burst to the ball in flight, Johnson is a little better though. Johnson has better height as well.

Both are really good with good upsides. Each has some things to improve on. I like our guy a little more though. I think both will be in the pro bowl several times.

Well Keyaron Fox would've been good last year but he was hurt. He has been looking very good this year. Derrick Johnson is 6'3" 242 lbs dumbass.

The chiefs future at OLB is bright, can you say that about the donkos. It doesnt matter about size. If your good enough to get to the ball and make the play then thats all that matters.

royr17
07-08-2005, 04:12 AM
But Josh Buhl was undrafted and was a safety prospect not a outside linebacker prospect. DJ and Fox have the size to play OLB in this league.

And if size means anything, then i guess Donnie Edwards isnt any good cause he's 6'2" 227 lbs.

Or Ian Gold of yall. Your point is very stupid and dumb.