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jAZ
07-05-2005, 04:34 PM
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Round 2

# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
1 33 San Francisco David Baas C Michigan
Vic Carucci's Analysis
Baas figured to be taken at this spot or thereabouts, but his stock was rising to the point where I thought he might even end up as a low first-round pick. He is a very strong, instinctive and extremely intelligent football player. If he plays center, he is the perfect guy to have anchoring your offensive line because he will make all of the right calls and the right decisions.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
2 34 Cleveland Brodney Pool FS Oklahoma
Pat Kirwan's Analysis
A first-round talent and the best free safety in this draft. I had questions about him after the USC National Championship Game, but when I looked back at other game tapes, he is an excellent draft prospect. When Cleveland cleaned house at safety, this pick made sense. I had a first-round grade on him, but Cleveland better start getting some defensive linemen.

Carucci on Pool: This is a tremendous value pick for the Browns. Pool is a first-round talent, has great coverage ability and is ready to step in and contribute significantly as a rookie. His presence will make a difference at a position where the Browns were in dire need of improvement.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
3 35 Philadelphia Reggie Brown WR Georgia
Pat Kirwan's Analysis
One of the two Georgia receivers in this draft that created a terrific passing attack in Georgia. In talking to the Eagles coaches, they wanted him to be there in the second round. He has good speed and good athleticism. He impressed me at the Senior Bowl with his route running and his hands. He snatches the football. He needs some work on routes over the middle, but in an interview I had with him, he convinced me he was willing to work at it. This should spell the end of Freddie Mitchell's stay in Philadelphia. A very good pick.

Carucci on Brown: Reggie Brown has plenty of athletic ability, especially speed. The big question with him is, does he have the motivation to realize his full potential? He hasn't shown it on a consistent basis in college. Andy Reid and the Eagles' coaching staff are capable of pushing him to produce more as a professional.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
4 36 Tampa Bay Barrett Ruud ILB Nebraska
Vic Carucci's Analysis
Ruud is an intelligent, versatile player. He was a player who could easily have been taken low in the first round, so he represents a pretty good value for the Buccaneers.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
5 37 Detroit Shaun Cody DT Southern California
Pat Kirwan's Analysis
Cody should have been a first-round pick because he can play defensive end, play defensive tackle in a 3-4, and will absolutely make an impact for the Lions. Anyone who blocks five field goals in college deserves to be a starter. He is a 295-pound guy who is capable of five to seven sacks his rookie year. He got hurt and fell this far because he ran a sluggish 5.0-flat 40-yard dash after not running at the combine. Detroit trades up, and that should say it all.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
6 38 Oakland Stanford Routt CB Houston
Gil Brandt's Analysis
Routt is a world-class sprinter. He's a big corner with unbelieveably good times in the cone and short shuttle. He was under 4.37 in the 40. This is a really good pick because he's fast and tough.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
7 39 Chicago Mark Bradley WR Oklahoma
Gil Brandt's Analysis
Bradley is one of the fastest players in the draft. His dad, Danny, was a starter at Oklahoma. Bradley started school at Arkansas-Pine Bluff and played there for two years before transferring. In high school, he high jumped over 7-foot-6 and is a tremendous athlete. He doesn't have the best hands in the world, but that can be improved. Speed can't.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
8 40 New Orleans Josh Bullocks FS Nebraska
Gil Brandt's Analysis
In 2003, Bullocks set a Big 12 Conference record with 12 interceptions, which is impressive. He will play safety for the Saints. He comes from an athletic family -- his twin brother also plays football but is still in school.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
9 41 Tennessee Michael Roos OT Eastern Washington
Gil Brandt's Analysis
He was born in Estonia and moved to the U.S. in the sixth grade. He's a big, tall tackle that can play on the left side. He's got size, good foot agility and long arms.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
10 42 Dallas Kevin Burnett OLB Tennessee
Gil Brandt's Analysis
Burnett is part of Tennessee history -- he's the first two-time captain in 100 years. He was a high-school running back and had a better year in 2003 than 2004, partly because of injuries. This is a very good athlete.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
11 43 N.Y. Giants Corey Webster CB Louisiana State
Gil Brandt's Analysis
Intercepted 14 balls in two years, but had a shoulder operation. Going into his final year, he was considered one of the top players available, but was really exposed against Georgia. Played injured most of the year.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
12 44 Arizona J.J. Arrington RB California
Gil Brandt's Analysis
Arrington played high school football in North Carolina, then spent two years in junior college in California before landing at Cal. He gained over 2,000 total yards in 2004. He's a good receiver coming out of the backfield, but not real tall.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
13 45 Seattle Lofa Tatupu ILB Southern California
Gil Brandt's Analysis
Tatupu's father played in the league for over 10 years. His first year of school was at Maine, then transferred to USC. He has got great recognition and feel to play the position.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
14 46 Miami Matt Roth DE Iowa
Gil Brandt's Analysis
Roth is a high-school fullback that switched to linebacker and then defensive end at Iowa. His motor runs all the time. He really did a goiod job rushing the passer from the strong side. He has pretty good speed, good ability and won't play the game at half speed.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
15 47 N.Y. Jets Mike Nugent K Ohio State
Gil Brandt's Analysis
Nugent was a high school QB and a great kicker under pressure at Ohio State the past two years. At one time, he had a consecutive streak of 20 field goals considering the wind at Buckeye Stadium. Dating back to 1967, he is the seventh-highest pick as a kicker over that period of time.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
16 48 Cincinnati Odell Thurman ILB Georgia
Gil Brandt's Analysis
He's a compact football player and an outstanding competitor. He will do a good job on kicking teams and probably on defense. He is the middle linebacker of the future for this franchise.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
17 49 Minnesota Marcus Johnson OT Mississippi
Gil Brandt's Analysis
I thought Johnson would be a possible first-round pick. I don't think he can play left tackle, but right tackle is a possibility. Ironically, two linemen from Mississippi got selected in the first 40 picks -- kind of unusual.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
18 50 St. Louis Ronald Bartell CB Howard
Gil Brandt's Analysis
He started school at Central Michigan and transferred to Howard. Why? He told me that his mother wanted him to have a good education. He can probably play cornerback if he slims down and can play safety as well (played both at Howard).



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
19 51 Green Bay Nick Collins FS Bethune-Coookman
Gil Brandt's Analysis
Collins played safety but can play corner, which he did last year. He's very fast with very good speed and size. He's a small-college player with big-time potential.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
20 52 Jacksonville Khalif Barnes OT Washington
Gil Brandt's Analysis
This guy initally was a D-lineman at Washington. In a period of time, they moved him to offense. He's a very athletic player but missed some games with a hand injury. He doesn't have a lot of sand in him, meaning he doesn't have a lot of lower-body weight.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
21 53 Baltimore Dan Cody DE Oklahoma
Pat Kirwan's Analysis
Baltimore is returning to a 4-3 defense and need help at tackle but they couldn't resist Cody's high motor as an end. They'll find their tackle later. I know Ray Lewis has some influence with who gets drafted, and he won't have any problems with Cody. A little stiff, but he will compete at left defensive end. Could easily get six to eight sacks as a rookie and could play on special teams.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
22 54 Carolina Eric Shelton RB Louisville
Pat Kirwan's Analysis
Eric is a 246-pound running back who ran his 40 in 4.5. In a rotation in Louisville, he hit the end zone 30 times. Teams like Dallas had interest in this guy, and he's a good role player. In Carolina, this might spell the end of Stephen Davis. With the Carolina offense, he could also fit in as a "move" tight end. An excellent value pick at this point.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
23 55 Buffalo Roscoe Parrish WR Miami (Fla.)
Pat Kirwan's Analysis
Interesting pick here, considering the Bills have a Pro-Bowl returner already and they're in need of a tight end, left tackle and defensive tackle. The critics will say Parrish's short arms will limit him, but he's a playmaker and they'll find a way to get him the ball. Expect him to give Buffalo what the Jets got from Santana Moss. My partner, Gil Brandt, likes the pick.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
24 56 Denver Darrent Williams CB Oklahoma State
Pat Kirwan's Analysis
This is an explosive, 5-8 1/2 cornerback who will get the duty as the slot CB. His 4.3-flat 40 and his toughness tell me he'll be a blitzer in Larry Coyer's defense. As Gil Brandt said, if he were 5-11, he'd be a first-round pick.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
25 57 N.Y. Jets Justin Miller CB Clemson
Pat Kirwan's Analysis
I am sure that Miller had a first-round grade in all 32 draft rooms, but multiple off-field incidents dropped him to this position. How smart of the Jets to take the kicker first and come back for Miller in this round. With Donnie Abraham probably retiring, he's a natural fit. And with Santana Moss gone to Washington, he's an instant impact player as a return (8 TDs on returns, including two against Florida State).



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
26 58 Green Bay Terrence Murphy WR Texas A&M
Gil Brandt's Analysis
Murphy was a QB in high school and came to Texas A&M and was converted to a receiver. He set records for passes caught as a freshman and is also a very good kick returner. He's strong, he's tall and he has top speed.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
27 59 Atlanta Jonathan Babineaux DT Iowa
Gil Brandt's Analysis
Babineaux came to Iowa as a fullback and even started two games there as a freshman. He's probably got most of his football ahead of him. Very good speed for a 290 pounder (4.9 in the 40).



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
28 60 Indianapolis Kelvin Hayden CB Illinois
Gil Brandt's Analysis
Hayden was an Chicago player who wound up at Illinois as a receiver but switched to defensive back. He has incredible speed with good coverage ability.

Kirwan on Hayden: Always remember -- when you're dealing with the Colts, they score often and early. As Bill Polian told me tonight, "We force our opponents into third down and two-minute offenses early in games. We play nickel and dime defense more than 60 percent of the time and don't have enough good players."



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
29 61 San Diego Vincent Jackson WR Northern Colorado
Pat Kirwan's Analysis
Jackson was an interesting prospect at the Senior Bowl. He's boig enough to be considered a TE but he insists he wants to be a receiver. His 146 receptions and 32 touchdowns says he deserves that chance first. I like him as a red zone mismatch threat on the fade route, and he is tough enough to move to tight end early in his career.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
30 62 Pittsburgh Bryant McFadden CB Florida State
Gil Brandt's Analysis
Pittsburgh filled two needs on their first two choices. When you start for three years at Florida State and have good speed, that is a good pick -- not only for need but it's not a reach either.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
31 63 Philadelphia Matt McCoy OLB San Diego State
Gil Brandt's Analysis
McCoy wasn't invited to the combine. If you look at the Michigan film, he was credited with 16 unassisted tackles. Very good speed, high-production player and also should be a very good special teams player.



# Sel# Team Player Pos. School
32 64 Baltimore Adam Terry OT Syracuse
Gil Brandt's Analysis
Terry was a four-year starter as a left tackle. I'm not sure he has left tackle quickness, but I think he can play right tackle and do a pretty good job at it.

Terribilis
07-05-2005, 04:47 PM
no

RedThat
07-05-2005, 04:49 PM
no

what he said

nascher
07-05-2005, 04:51 PM
in a few years maybe !!! Nobody knows it now ;)

NaptownChief
07-05-2005, 04:51 PM
Patrick Surtain for one of those players straight up and all other factors equal hell no...nobody would but all other factors aren't equal and there in lies the reason why we got him for the Matt Roth pick. We didn't just trade the Matt Roth pick for Surtain but the Matt Roth pick and a very large contract.

If you look at just player for player it looks like a great deal but when you factor in the money you quickly find out why we were the only team willing to jump on that "great deal". It is a deal that we needed more than any team especially since Peterson fuqed up the S.Rolle deal but it was far from a winning lotto ticket.

StcChief
07-05-2005, 04:56 PM
NFW at this point.

Mile High Mania
07-05-2005, 05:04 PM
No way, cuz water covers like 2/3 of the earth and Surtain covers the rest.

KCChiefsMan
07-05-2005, 05:07 PM
do we want to improve our defense enough to be a Superbowl contender THIS year? My answer is yes to that meaning that my answer to this poll is NO

KCChiefsMan
07-05-2005, 05:08 PM
not to mention our history with 2nd round picks. History often repeats itself and Surtain is a proven top 10 CB in the NFL and that is exactly what we needed. I believe our last 2nd rounder to turn out to be a good player was Tim Grunhard....if my memory serves me correct.

the Talking Can
07-05-2005, 05:16 PM
no

Rausch
07-05-2005, 05:17 PM
Hell no.

We need to add another probowl CB, not get rid of one...

the Talking Can
07-05-2005, 05:17 PM
hell no

the Talking Can
07-05-2005, 05:17 PM
no ****ing way

Chief Henry
07-05-2005, 05:18 PM
nuh-ah

jAZ
07-05-2005, 05:28 PM
Exactly as I expected, except that the 1 person who voted yes didn't post to explain their vote.

Bastard!

Rausch
07-05-2005, 05:33 PM
Exactly as I expected, except that the 1 person who voted yes didn't post to explain their vote.

Bastard!

Stupid bastard at that...

the Talking Can
07-05-2005, 05:40 PM
Exactly as I expected, except that the 1 person who voted yes didn't post to explain their vote.

Bastard!

because they're ashamed of their stupidity

Logical
07-05-2005, 05:41 PM
No way, cuz water covers like 2/3 of the earth and Surtain covers the rest.Besides someone had already given away a top 5 running back for Champ Bailey so that was no longer an option.

Digital Takawira
07-05-2005, 06:19 PM
No way, cuz water covers like 2/3 of the earth and Surtain covers the rest.

it was funnier when fred smoot said it about himself.

Thig Lyfe
07-05-2005, 08:01 PM
no

no

Hell no.

nuh-ah

KChiefsQT
07-06-2005, 01:05 AM
NEVER!!!!!

arrowhead20
07-06-2005, 01:54 AM
no

NJ Chief Fan
07-06-2005, 01:56 AM
no its not even a question or an option CARL YA DID THE RIGHT THING

Dick Bull
07-06-2005, 02:31 AM
This is silly.

This is like madden when you can't get them to trade a draft pick for a player no freaking matter what but right after the draft when rookie ratings are assigned and your 5 year veteran who notches them by 2 points is suddenly more attractive.

Ask this question is 3 years.


I agree Surtain is a stud and will help this d. However, how many people would have traded a stud cb for Jerry Rice before he played a game? How many would have after his first couple of seasons?

JimNasium
07-06-2005, 04:46 AM
No way, cuz water covers like 2/3 of the earth and Surtain covers the rest.
ROFL

trndobrd
07-06-2005, 05:29 AM
This could be the year we all look back on and say "how could we have passed on future hall of famer Joe Blow from Anemic State and picked up Patrick Surtain who did nothing more than blow out his knee in the first game of the season..."

But that's life in the NFL. Carl made the smart move for what we needed. No way I would change.

Mr. Kotter
07-06-2005, 06:53 AM
No.

alpha_omega
07-06-2005, 08:18 AM
NO!

tyton75
07-06-2005, 08:42 AM
ok.. I said yes without reading the thread.. and I only said yes because some of these guys have great potential in the coming years, but for THIS year, I would rather have Surtain..

TRR
07-06-2005, 08:50 AM
No way, cuz water covers like 2/3 of the earth and Surtain covers the rest.

See the sig.

RedThat
07-06-2005, 10:53 AM
No way, cuz water covers like 2/3 of the earth and Surtain covers the rest.

Yeah, yeah sure you would trade Surtain for any of those picks, you would, your a bronco fan.

ct
07-06-2005, 12:06 PM
Well in fact the guy drafted with our pick by Miami, Matt Roth, would have been a tremendous addition to this team. However, there is no rookie I'd rather have over Surtain, we needed him very badly!

ct
07-06-2005, 12:08 PM
No way, cuz water covers like 2/3 of the earth and Surtain covers the rest.

heh

ChiefsFanatic
07-06-2005, 12:53 PM
No, but I still would have liked to have one of the Codyies (or whatever the plural of the last name Cody is.)