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Chiefs_Mike_Topeka
07-06-2005, 07:28 AM
How the hell can you call Sammy Knight the most overrated Chief when he hasn't played a snap for us!?

Damn this guy is a dumbass!

Hype.

If an NFL player gets it, he can live off it for years. If he doesn't, it's a tough fight to get the credit he deserves.

Which brings us to the CBS SportsLine.com annual list of underrated/overrated players for each of the league's 32 teams.


After his breakthrough season in 2004, Detroit's James Hall won't be underrated for long. (Getty Images)
Every team has a player -- or players -- who gets way too much credit, a player living off a reputation or a past. By contrast, each team has a handful of players who don't get nearly the due they deserve for whatever reason.

Maybe it's lack of name recognition.

Maybe they play in a small market.

Maybe they avoid the hype.

By doing our overrated/underrated list each year, it is hoped that we can help close the gap on some of these inequities, shine light on those not getting it and take away some of the spotlight from those who get too much.

For the list, we pick one overrated and one underrated player from each team, although several teams had multiple players in each category, making for tough choices.

So who are the most overrated and most underrated players from among our 64, giving them those titles throughout the league?

Washington Redskins linebacker LaVar Arrington is the choice as the most-overrated player. Arrington has all the tools to be a truly dominant player. But misuse in schemes, plus a tendency to freelance too much as well as injury troubles (he played just four games last season), have stunted his development.

Arrington was considered the potential second coming of Lawrence Taylor when he came out of Penn State in 2000. Instead, he's been a big tease.

As for the most-underrated player, we'll go with Detroit Lions defensive end James Hall.

Who, you say?

Hall had 11 sacks in 2004 to lead the Lions and finish seventh overall in the league.

At 6-2, 280 pounds, Hall has decent speed off the corner and he plays with a relentless style that makes him tough to block coming from the right side of the defense.

Entering his sixth season, Hall had 11 sacks in his first four seasons combined before becoming a pass-rush force last season. Playing next to Pro Bowl tackle Shaun Rogers helps, but it also takes away from the attention Hall deserves.

The Lions did the smart thing before the 2004 season, locking him up to a contract through the 2008 season. This 28-year-old is coming into his prime, and pass rushers are worth a ton on the open market. If Hall can continue to develop, 15 sacks is a number that isn't out of the question.

If he gets that, he may get the due he deserves. Until then, it's up to columns like this to get James Hall a little of the attention that should be coming his way as the league's most-underrated player.

Fixing the inequities. That's what our underrated/overrated list is all about.

Now here's the rest of the list.


Arizona Cardinals
Underrated: Adrian Wilson, safety

This is a player who made huge strides last season. The coaching staff loved the way he finally played up to his wonderful abilities -- which should have put him in the Pro Bowl. He's a favorite of this space.

Overrated: Robert Griffith, safety

The Cardinals added him for his veteran leadership, but he has never been good in coverage and that will show up for the Arizona defense.


Atlanta Falcons
Underrated: Kevin Shaffer, left tackle

A former seventh-round pick who has developed into a quality player. Shaffer made it easy for the Falcons to cut ties with Bob Whitfield a few years ago, a move many in the organization wanted to make sooner than it happened.

Overrated: Michael Vick, quarterback

Hold on before you Vick lovers blow your stack. Vick is an amazing player and a true take-over-the-game quarterback. But he isn't as good as the hype. He needs to be a better pocket passer before he can be a true superstar. That will come with time. It isn't there now.


Baltimore Ravens
Underrated: Will Demps, safety

With Samari Rolle and Chris McAlister on the corner and Ed Reed at the other safety spot, Demps will get overlooked in a big way this season. But Demps is a heck of a player, a tough tackler who can play in coverage better than some think.

Overrated: Jonathan Ogden, tackle

He's still a premier player, but he isn't the player he was a few years ago. Ogden has some struggles with some speed rushers last year -- see Dwight Freeney -- and that could be a sign of the start of the erosion of his skills.


Buffalo Bills
Underrated: Trey Teague, center

The Bills have a first-round pick playing right tackle (Mike Williams) and some other top-notch free agents at other spots along the line, but Teague remains their best lineman. He can play center and tackle, but it appears the Bills will keep him at center this season.

Overrated: Lawyer Milloy, safety

He is still a tough tackler, and does a nice job near the line of scrimmage, but he struggles in man coverage. The Bills can cover him up with their zone defenses, but he is no longer a top-tier safety.


Carolina Panthers
Underrated: Jeff Mitchell, center

Mitchell isn't an overpowering center, but he gets by with his toughness and his smarts. Playing in between two so-so guards last season, he was challenged even more. He's not a Pro Bowl player, but he's a solid player.

Overrated: Brentson Buckner, defensive tackle

Buckner is a fun-loving, always-talkative player who was dominant when the Panthers went to the Super Bowl two years. In 2004, he didn't play that well as he battled injuries. Age is starting to become a concern, too.


Chicago Bears
Underrated: Ian Scott, defensive tackle

The Bears have used high picks on inside players the past couple of years, but Scott, a fourth-round pick in 2003, was good enough to start most of last season. He is a powerful run player who will be hard to move out of the starting lineup.

Overrated: Muhsin Muhammad, receiver, and Brian Urlacher, linebacker

Muhammad was the Bears' high-priced free-agent acquisition last spring, but he will prove to be a big disappointment. He put up big numbers in Carolina, but he doesn't run that well and age is starting to be a factor. As for Urlacher, he's a good player, but not a great one. It's time for him to live up to his reputation.


Cincinnati Bengals
Underrated: Duane Clemons, defensive end

This 10-year veteran started 14 games last season and had 6 sacks. Clemons also played the run well. He has been a valuable addition to the Cincinnati roster the past two seasons.

Overrated: Tory James, cornerback

He went to the Pro Bowl after getting eight interceptions last season, but he isn't nearly as good as his numbers would make one believe. He is decent, but not a Pro Bowl-quality corner.


Cleveland Browns
Underrated: Daylon McCutcheon, cornerback

He is small and doesn't have great speed, but he gets the job done. He is a feisty player who knows how to cover receivers and isn't afraid to tackle.

Overrated: Brian Russell, safety

The Vikings always tried to replace Russell because he can't run, and they didn't really care that he went to the Browns. He has had some nice interception seasons, but he is a so-so tackler who doesn't have great range. That's not a good combination.


Dallas Cowboys
Underrated: Dan Campbell, tight end

Who? Just ask some inside the Dallas building about the importance of Campbell to their team. When he went down with an injury last year, the Dallas running game suffered in a big way. He's like an extra tackle when he's on the field.

Overrated: Roy Williams, safety

He makes some big hits and that earns him a lot of attention. The reality is he isn't that good in coverage -- and that shows up. He's more like a linebacker than a safety, which is why he will play strong safety this season after playing free safety a bunch in 2004.


Denver Broncos
Underrated: Ben Hamilton, guard

He's a tough, feisty player who may be the Broncos' center of the future when Tom Nalen walks away. Hamilton is a perfect Denver lineman, athletic and tenacious.

Overrated: John Lynch, safety

His game was never what the media made it out to be, and now it's even worse. He is a liability in the secondary when it comes to coverage. For every one big hit he gives, he is beaten on a pass play. That's not a good tradeoff.


Detroit Lions
Underrated: James Hall, defensive end

There are plenty of scouts around the league who love this kid. He doesn't have great physical ability, but he plays all out and finds a way to get to the quarterback. He's a rising player in the league.

Overrated: Marcus Pollard, tight end

Pollard was perfect for the Colts offense, a lean target who doesn't block all that well. Pollard's production has dipped the past four years, so age (he's 33) has to be a factor. Truth be known, the Colts weren't all that crushed they couldn't keep Pollard.


Green Bay Packers
Underrated: Chad Clifton, left tackle

Packers guards Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle left for big-dollar deals in the offseason, but Clifton was the marquee lineman on the Green Bay team. He is one of those players who never gets the due he deserves and only got a lot of it from the Warren Sapp cheap shot a few years back.

Overrated: Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, defensive end

He had 13 sacks last season, which is a nice number, but he went nine games (counting the playoff loss to the Vikings) without a sack. He gets sacks in bunches, but he isn't as consistent as his reputation.


Houston Texans
Underrated: Dunta Robinson, cornerback

As a rookie, Robinson was good enough to go to the Pro Bowl. He is a pure man-cover player who is silky smooth. He's the next great shutdown corner.

Overrated: Morlon Greenwood, linebacker

The Texans paid a lot of money to sign him away from Miami as a free agent, and it was a move met with a lot of skepticism around the league. He played outside for the Dolphins, but will play inside in the Texans' 3-4 defense. At 225 pounds, he's a little small for that duty.


Indianapolis Colts
Underrated: Bob Sanders, safety

Sanders played in just six games as a rookie last season, but he showed enough to really excite the Colts coaches. Sanders plays with a nasty attitude, something the Colts defense needs in a big way. Watch him excel this season.

Overrated: Mike Doss, safety

Doss has been a major disappointment after being a second-round pick in 2003. Doss doesn't run that well, and it shows up in coverage. He also seems to lack the instincts for the position.


Jacksonville Jaguars
Underrated: Fred Taylor, running back

He has a career average of 4.6 yards per carry, which puts him among the elite of the league, yet he's never mentioned with the top backs in the game. Taylor also has a reputation for being injured, yet has missed two starts the past three seasons. Ask the players about him. Opponents fear him.

Overrated: Donovin Darius, safety

Darius played better in terms of coverage last year, which is a big step for him. But he's not close to being the safety many around the league think he is. He doesn't make enough big plays for his reputation.


Kansas City Chiefs
Underrated: Brian Waters, guard

Fellow guard Will Shields and tackle Willie Roaf get all the attention on the Chiefs line, but Waters is right there with them. Waters may have actually outplayed Shields last season.

Overrated: Sammy Knight, safety

If the Chiefs think Knight is going to help them improve their defense, they're woefully mistaken. He is too slow in coverage and that shows up far too much. Sure, he makes some nice plays at times, but he gives up a bunch, too.


Miami Dolphins
Underrated: Randy McMichael, tight end

If he played on a team that actually had a quarterback to get him the ball, he'd put up some really big numbers. As it is, he's a consistent threat in the middle of the field.

Overrated: Zach Thomas, linebacker

We've said this for a long time, but here goes again: Thomas is a decent player, but not nearly as good as portrayed. Some scouts think Thomas is actually a liability when the big bodies in front of him don't protect him. The new scheme in which linebackers have to take on blocks won't help him.


Minnesota Vikings
Underrated: Fred Smoot, cornerback

The guy can talk a big game, which has a tendency to turn off the media, but he can play. Smoot is a smooth cover corner who doesn't get the due he deserves because of his mouth. That matters little here. Smoot can play.

Overrated: Darren Sharper, safety

The Green Bay corners were ripped last season, but those who watched the tapes say Sharper had a lot to do with the Packers' poor pass defense. He took bad angles to the ball. Sharper isn't the same player he was three years ago when he was a quality safety.


New England Patriots
Underrated: Dan Koppen, center

You look at the New England line and wonder how it plays so well with a mish-mash of players. Then you realize Koppen is a rock-solid player in the middle, which really helps. He is a major draft steal for the Patriots, coming in the sixth round three years ago.

Overrated: Ted Johnson, linebacker

He's a tough player, but he isn't what he used to be. He still excels against the run, but he's a liability in coverage.


New Orleans Saints
Underrated: Dwight Smith, safety

The Saints targeted Smith in free agency then signed him away from the Bucs. He is a rangy player who has played corner, which is what you want from your safeties in the modern NFL. Plus, he plays the game with a nasty streak.

Overrated: Wayne Gandy, left tackle

The Saints staff thinks Gandy regressed in 2004 and his age might be starting to be a factor. He has to play better this season if the Saints are to push for the playoffs.


New York Giants
Underrated: Tiki Barber, running back

All he does is move the chains. Barber had 1,518 yards, caught 52 passes for 578 yards and went to the Pro Bowl last season. Yet he doesn't get a lot of accolades when mentioning the top backs. Maybe it's his fumbling woes of years past.

Overrated: Will Allen, cornerback

This former first-round pick has regressed after a good start to his career, and he could be out of a job if rookie Corey Webster plays well early. Allen has the tools, but he just hasn't lived up to the hype.


New York Jets
Underrated: Dewayne Robertson, defensive tackle

Robertson became a force in the middle of the Jets line last year, but he didn't go to the Pro Bowl. That will change. With Jason Ferguson lost to the Cowboys, Robertson has to play even better in 2005. He will.

Overrated: Chad Pennington, quarterback

Pennington's a good player, but he isn't among the 10 best quarterbacks in the league, which is what playing in New York would make you think. Plus, he's coming off major shoulder surgery that could limit his so-so arm even more.


Oakland Raiders
Underrated: Danny Clark, middle linebacker

If you asked 20 people to name the Raiders' leading tackler last season, maybe one would name Clark -- him. He had 128 tackles last year to lead the Raiders by a bunch. A free-agent signing from the Jaguars, Clark had his best season. He will now move to the middle in the Raiders 3-4 scheme.

Overrated: Warren Sapp, defensive tackle

This guy is done. Finished. Sapp was once a dominant player, a future Hall of Fame selection. But those days are over.


Philadelphia Eagles
Underrated: Michael Lewis, safety

He's "That Other Guy" in the Eagles secondary. Corners Sheldon Brown and Lito Sheppard and safety Brian Dawkins get plenty of attention, and much of it deserved. But Lewis is a heck of a player, too. He's rangy and he hits.

Overrated: Jon Runyan, tackle

Injuries have slowed him to the point where he can be dominated at times. Runyan is now a weak link on the Eagles line, although he deserves credit for battling through the pain. He still shows up every week to fight.


Pittsburgh Steelers
Underrated: Larry Foote, linebacker

Foote played so well last season for the injured Kendrell Bell that he kept Bell on the bench when he returned. With Bell gone to Kansas City, Foote is now the entrenched as a starting inside linebacker.

Overrated: Jerome Bettis, running back

Bettis is a great guy and he's loved in Pittsburgh. But he isn't the threat he once was with the football. If he's starting at any point this year, it's a mistake for the Steelers. He should be a spot player now at this point in his career.


St. Louis Rams
Underrated: Kevin Curtis, receiver

The Rams always have a way of finding quality third receivers, and this guy is the flavor of the month. He has good speed and playing alongside Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce helps him see a lot of single coverage. It might not be long until he takes over as the starter for Bruce.

Overrated: Adam Archuleta, safety

He played with a sore back last season, and it showed. But even healthy he isn't the player he's made out to be. He can hit like a linebacker, but he covers like one, too. At safety, that's not good.


San Diego Chargers
Underrated: Jamal Williams, nose tackle

Williams is the best nose tackle in the league, a run-stuffing 350-pound player who doesn't get his due playing for the Chargers. Williams also showed more pass-rush ability last season, getting a career-best four sacks.

Overrated: Drew Brees, quarterback

Let's see him do it again. Every one around the league is ready to anoint him as a Pro Bowl player in 2005. The Chargers must think so as well, otherwise he would have been given a long-term deal. The feeling here is that he had a special year in 2004, but until he does it again the verdict is still out.


San Francisco 49ers
Underrated: Eric Johnson, tight end

He caught 82 passes last season. Imagine what he could do with a real quarterback? Johnson is an outstanding pass-catching tight end who knows how to get open. If Alex Smith is the real deal at quarterback, Johnson will be even more of a factor in the passing game.

Overrated: Kevan Barlow, running back

The 49ers had big plans for this guy and he let them down last season. Barlow has the tools to be a 1,400-yard rusher, but something seems to be missing. Don't be shocked to see him lose his job to rookie Frank Gore this season.


Seattle Seahawks
Underrated: Marcus Trufant, cornerback

This is a rising cover player who is on his way to becoming a Pro Bowl-caliber corner. Trufant plays with a smooth style that allows him to play with the best receivers in the league. If he irons a few quirks out, he's on his way to Hawaii.

Overrated: Shaun Alexander, running back

This one will open some eyes because he was second in the league in rushing last season. But the feeling inside the Seattle organization, from coaches and players, is that Alexander is soft. He won't get the tough yards. Plus, he's a me-first player. He is on the trading block and nobody made a move. That has to mean something, right?


Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Underrated: Brian Kelly, cornerback

Ronde Barber gets a lot of attention playing corner for the Bucs, but Kelly is just as good, if not better. He is a smoother cover player who isn't afraid to tackle. He just isn't as good at blitzing as Barber.

Overrated: Joey Galloway, receiver

Every summer we hear how it's time for Galloway's big season, the year his speed finally helps him put up the big numbers. Then he gets hurt and it's the same Galloway. At some point, he has to find a way to stay on the field for more than half the games.


Tennessee Titans
Underrated: Lamont Thompson, safety

In his second season with the Titans, Thompson was one of their better defensive players. He started 13 games and had four interceptions. It's no wonder the Titans want to lock him up to a long-term deal.

Overrated: Albert Haynesworth, defensive tackle

Oh, the ability. This kid could be a Pro Bowl player. And he shows flashes. But there isn't enough of it. Someday, the pilot light will go on for good. When it does, look out. He has to stay healthy, though.


Washington Redskins
Underrated: Shawn Springs, cornerback

Springs proved to be a great addition for the Redskins secondary. At 30, he is coming off his best season in years. Springs had six sacks and five interceptions last season for the Redskins. He's an outstanding cover man, which we all expected when he came out of Ohio State.

Overrated: Lavar Arrington, linebacker

He has a total of 22 sacks in five seasons. Where's the impact for his being the second player taken in 2000? He battled injuries last season, but even when healthy he isn't the player his name would make you think.

Coach
07-06-2005, 07:30 AM
My overrated player is Ryan Sims. He has failed to live up the first round pick.

Dr. Facebook Fever
07-06-2005, 07:31 AM
How the hell can you call Sammy Knight the most overrated Chief when he hasn't played a snap for us!?



Hype.


Think you just answered your own question. They need something to talk about, just like us.

Chiefnj
07-06-2005, 07:33 AM
Duane Clemons underrated. If the Chiefs kept him they'd have a ring by now.

Dr. Facebook Fever
07-06-2005, 07:34 AM
My overrated player is Ryan Sims. He has failed to live up the first round pick.
I would have to agree. I guess they didn't pick him simply because he's probably not "rated" at all.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka
07-06-2005, 07:36 AM
Think you just answered your own question. They need something to talk about, just like us.


Hey I have no problem with his overrated list as an idea. I obviously will disagree with him on several more likely than not. But to choose a player that has not even played a single down for the Chiefs! Come on, he has no idea how Knight will fit into the Chiefs scheme; and since when has Sammy Knight been declared the savior of the Chiefs defense?

I thought that title rested squarely on Boomer's shoulders?

Dr. Facebook Fever
07-06-2005, 07:40 AM
Hey I have no problem with his overrated list as an idea. I obviously will disagree with him on several more likely than not. But to choose a player that has not even played a single down for the Chiefs! Come on, he has no idea how Knight will fit into the Chiefs scheme; and since when has Sammy Knight been declared the savior of the Chiefs defense?

I thought that title rested squarely on Boomer's shoulders?
ROFL

True. All prognosticating is a bit ridiculous when you think about it. It's fun though.

Mr. Kotter
07-06-2005, 07:44 AM
Anyone else notice all the safeties this guy considers "over-rated"?

Knight, Lynch, Roy Williams, Archelletta, Sharper, Darius, Doss, Russell, Milloy, and Griffith.

Ten "over-rated" safeties? Yeah.....whatever, dude. :rolleyes:

Coach
07-06-2005, 07:48 AM
Anyone else notice all the safeties this guy considers "over-rated"?

Knight, Lynch, Roy Williams, Archelletta, Sharper, Darius, Doss, Russell, Milloy, and Griffith.

Ten "over-rated" safeties? Yeah.....whatever, dude. :rolleyes:

I noticed that as well. If we were really going by safeties, I'm just suprised that he would pick Knight over Woods, while everyone knows how awful Jerome was last year.

HemiEd
07-06-2005, 07:49 AM
Duane Clemons underrated. If the Chiefs kept him they'd have a ring by now.
:spock: :LOL: :LOL:

alanm
07-06-2005, 08:04 AM
Hey I have no problem with his overrated list as an idea. I obviously will disagree with him on several more likely than not. But to choose a player that has not even played a single down for the Chiefs! Come on, he has no idea how Knight will fit into the Chiefs scheme; and since when has Sammy Knight been declared the savior of the Chiefs defense?

I thought that title rested squarely on Boomer's shoulders?
Where have you been??? Mighty Rich Scanlon is our saviour!!! :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

chop
07-06-2005, 08:05 AM
He had to pick someone that was rated high by others. He couldn't pick anyone on offense because the guys on the Chiefs offense (Roaf, Shields, Gonzales, Holmes, Green) that are highly rated deserve to be highly rated. The rest of the offense isn't regarded in such high esteem so they cannot be put on the list.

I don't think there was a guy on the Chiefs defense that can be considered highly rated except the new guys the Chiefs signed this offseason. With that in mind the safest "overrated" pick he has to choose from is Knight.

Lzen
07-06-2005, 08:18 AM
Anyone else notice all the safeties this guy considers "over-rated"?

Knight, Lynch, Roy Williams, Archelletta, Sharper, Darius, Doss, Russell, Milloy, and Griffith.

Ten "over-rated" safeties? Yeah.....whatever, dude. :rolleyes:

Obviously, he doesn't know a whole lot about safeties. IMO, he's ignoring a couple major factors. One is the leadership aspect. Knight and Lynch especially are great leaders and that more than makes up for their coverage abilities. The other factor is that they can lay the wood to an opponent that the opponent won't soon forget. You can't tell me that other players don't think about that big hit that might be coming. Surely, that affects their game somewhat.

alpha_omega
07-06-2005, 08:21 AM
Duane Clemons underrated. If the Chiefs kept him they'd have a ring by now.

Surely you jest.

Count Zarth
07-06-2005, 08:24 AM
I'd rather have Clemons than Vonnie Holliday. Clemons was in the wrong scheme with Robinson.

HemiEd
07-06-2005, 08:35 AM
I'd rather have Clemons than Vonnie Holliday. Clemons was in the wrong scheme with Robinson.

And with Gunther? Clemons was a lazy, overpaid salary cap buster. He was always setting out due to injury. DV inherited this slug.

Count Zarth
07-06-2005, 08:39 AM
And with Gunther? Clemons was a lazy, overpaid salary cap buster. He was always setting out due to injury. DV inherited this slug.

Clemons was decent under Gunther.

HemiEd
07-06-2005, 09:03 AM
Clemons was decent under Gunther.


How many million dollars per down played did the Chiefs pay him?

TEX
07-06-2005, 09:33 AM
He had to pick someone that was rated high by others. He couldn't pick anyone on offense because the guys on the Chiefs offense (Roaf, Shields, Gonzales, Holmes, Green) that are highly rated deserve to be highly rated. The rest of the offense isn't regarded in such high esteem so they cannot be put on the list.

I don't think there was a guy on the Chiefs defense that can be considered highly rated except the new guys the Chiefs signed this offseason. With that in mind the safest "overrated" pick he has to choose from is Knight.

I agree but Sammy Knight is S-L-O-W...

Dr. Facebook Fever
07-06-2005, 09:56 AM
And with Gunther? Clemons was a lazy, overpaid salary cap buster. He was always setting out due to injury. DV inherited this slug.
My only real memory of Clemons was a fumble he caused, picked up and ran in for a td. And he worn dumb looking under-sized shoulder pads. OK, that's two memories.

Mr. Kotter
07-06-2005, 10:05 AM
Obviously, he doesn't know a whole lot about safeties. IMO, he's ignoring a couple major factors. One is the leadership aspect. Knight and Lynch especially are great leaders and that more than makes up for their coverage abilities. The other factor is that they can lay the wood to an opponent that the opponent won't soon forget. You can't tell me that other players don't think about that big hit that might be coming. Surely, that affects their game somewhat.

I agree completely. You can afford for one of your safeties to be more of a leader, and a head knocker....as long as the other safety can fly to the ball.

TRing
07-06-2005, 10:17 AM
Causing turnovers can never be overrated. Look how many Knight has caused. But i agree with chop, nobody else is highly rated. But you can't just go and throw Sammy under the bus with all that he had done.

HemiEd
07-06-2005, 10:23 AM
My only real memory of Clemons was a fumble he caused, picked up and ran in for a td. And he worn dumb looking under-sized shoulder pads. OK, that's two memories.

Most of the time he was taking it easy drawing a nice check. Undersized pads were a good idea IMO. Less resistence to get through the OLine. Hard to do though when you are not even suited up.

alanm
07-06-2005, 10:55 AM
I don't know how you could rate Zach Thomas of the Dolphins overrated. :shake:

TRing
07-06-2005, 11:08 AM
yeah zach thomas, urlacher. but i mean come on with Gbaja-Biamila it talks about having 13+ sacks and being overrated!? now is that possible?

whoman69
07-06-2005, 11:40 AM
I'd rather have Clemons than Vonnie Holliday. Clemons was in the wrong scheme with Robinson.
Guess you've got us there.

whoman69
07-06-2005, 11:41 AM
My only real memory of Clemons was a fumble he caused, picked up and ran in for a td. And he worn dumb looking under-sized shoulder pads. OK, that's two memories.
Hard to remember plays he made for us because there were so few.

NJ Chief Fan
07-06-2005, 03:31 PM
this guy is a bafoon...i agree john lynch is over rated hes past his prime..jerome bettis is not over rated hes still a ****in tank...moushin mohammed(sp) over rated yea ok buddy...the guy is a ****in stud...hes a team player thats why he didnt have a 1000 yard season for a while till last season when the #1 threat went down..mohammed is a great receiver and if anything hes under rated

TRR
07-06-2005, 03:36 PM
Gunther Cunningham was just on the radio a couple of weeks ago saying you'd have to be an idiot to think Sammy Knight is too slow. He said all the guy does is make big play after big play.

What's funny is Prisco doesn't realize both Woods and Wesley gave up big play after big play without anything in return.

KCChiefsMan
07-06-2005, 03:37 PM
Overrated: Michael Vick, quarterback

Hold on before you Vick lovers blow your stack. Vick is an amazing player and a true take-over-the-game quarterback. But he isn't as good as the hype. He needs to be a better pocket passer before he can be a true superstar. That will come with time. It isn't there now.


I can't stand the Vick haters! Stats Stats Stats

Why isn't winning games enough?

TRR
07-06-2005, 03:40 PM
"He makes some nice plays at times."

That is hilarious. Sammy Knight has 35 Int's, 4 TD's, 9 Fumble Forces, and 11 Fumble Recoveries in 9 seasons. Nice plays at times???

KCChiefsMan
07-06-2005, 04:00 PM
My only real memory of Clemons was a fumble he caused, picked up and ran in for a td. And he worn dumb looking under-sized shoulder pads. OK, that's two memories.


Remember when he completely laid out Steve McNair when we played the Titans one year? I think McNair was out a few weeks after that. The only bad thing about that was that I remember the backup Neil O;Donnel coming in and torched us after McNair went out of the game

andoman
07-06-2005, 05:17 PM
Didn't the Chiefs trade with Pittsburgh for Brentson Buckner and then cut him?

TRR
07-06-2005, 05:34 PM
Didn't the Chiefs trade with Pittsburgh for Brentson Buckner and then cut him?

I believe KC signed Buckner in FA, and then traded him for a late round draft pick. It was kind of one of those Az Hakim deals. Buckner looked at the depth, and didn't want to be in KC, so they traded him.

Rudy lost the toss
07-06-2005, 05:45 PM
Hard to remember plays he made for us because there were so few.
remember when Edgerrin James tore his acl as a result of Duane's (I think it was him) tackle? That probably won Priest the rushing title.

Mr. Laz
07-06-2005, 06:19 PM
Hey I have no problem with his overrated list as an idea. I obviously will disagree with him on several more likely than not. But to choose a player that has not even played a single down for the Chiefs! Come on, he has no idea how Knight will fit into the Chiefs scheme; and since when has Sammy Knight been declared the savior of the Chiefs defense?

I thought that title rested squarely on Boomer's shoulders?
that's why it's called an opinion


he doesn't think knight is a good as KC does :shrug:

milkman
07-06-2005, 06:50 PM
Well, I knew this was going to be another one of those head scratchers when he put James Hall down as his most underrated player because he had 11 1/2 sacks last season.

Yeah, he's had one good season out of 5.
That makes him underrated?

Until Hall shows that that one good season wasn't just a fluke, then ther's no way in hell he can be underrated.

Do these guys even think about the kind of crap they write?

andoman
07-06-2005, 08:20 PM
I believe KC signed Buckner in FA, and then traded him for a late round draft pick. It was kind of one of those Az Hakim deals. Buckner looked at the depth, and didn't want to be in KC, so they traded him.

Yeah, his bio on NFL.com doesn't even list KC. :hmmm:

andoman
07-06-2005, 08:22 PM
Just found this on NFLPlayers.com

1997: Traded to Kansas City (4/4) by Pittsburgh for a seventh-round draft choice, Brentson was waived by the Chiefs (8/24) and claimed by Cincinnati (8/25) where he appeared in 14 games with four starts and registered 39 tackles and two forced fumbles. He was inactive for two games due to a sprained knee suffered versus Pittsburgh (10/19). He started at nose tackle at Pittsburgh (11/16), versus Jacksonville (11/23) and at Philadelphia (11/30) and started at right defensive end versus Dallas (12/14).

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka
07-06-2005, 09:38 PM
Pittsburgh Steelers
Underrated: Larry Foote, linebacker

Foote played so well last season for the injured Kendrell Bell that he kept Bell on the bench when he returned. With Bell gone to Kansas City, Foote is now the entrenched as a starting inside linebacker.


With his thinking here I am suprised he did not mention Bell as the most overrated player on the Chiefs.

arrowhead20
07-06-2005, 11:54 PM
He couldn't pick anyone on offense because the guys on the Chiefs offense (Roaf, Shields, Gonzales, Holmes, Green) that are highly rated deserve to be highly rated. The rest of the offense isn't regarded in such high esteem so they cannot be put on the list.

If anyone on the offense should be on this list it is either Green or Weigman, they both get little props for their parts in the offense,
making them highly underrated
i think Waters gets his due props. besides the big willies have been great for too long to get overshadowed by a up and coming guard in waters.

arrowhead20
07-06-2005, 11:56 PM
that paragraph above mine was a quote that didnt actually quote

Logical
07-07-2005, 12:01 AM
Hey I have no problem with his overrated list as an idea. I obviously will disagree with him on several more likely than not. But to choose a player that has not even played a single down for the Chiefs! Come on, he has no idea how Knight will fit into the Chiefs scheme; and since when has Sammy Knight been declared the savior of the Chiefs defense?

I thought that title rested squarely on Boomer's shoulders?Man I must have missed where he said he is overrated based on his play with the Chiefs. Clearly he indicated he felt that the Chiefs (read front office/Coaches) had overrated him in making the acquisiton. Now I have no idea whether he is right or wrong about being too slow as it is relative to the players we already have both of which were woeful last season. However, he has been sold pretty strong as a savior type of acquisition which is definitely a front office/coaching rating being spread to the media.

Logical
07-07-2005, 12:04 AM
He had to pick someone that was rated high by others. He couldn't pick anyone on offense because the guys on the Chiefs offense (Roaf, Shields, Gonzales, Holmes, Green) that are highly rated deserve to be highly rated. The rest of the offense isn't regarded in such high esteem so they cannot be put on the list.

I don't think there was a guy on the Chiefs defense that can be considered highly rated except the new guys the Chiefs signed this offseason. With that in mind the safest "overrated" pick he has to choose from is Knight.Excellent analysis.

SoCalBronco
07-07-2005, 12:23 AM
Good to see Daylon McCutcheon getting props. I knew he would find a way to end up in the NFL and be a good player but i always thought it would end up as a RB not CB. He was dominant as a High School RB for the #1 ranked team in the country (before losing in the California Southern Section title game). I was amazed that USC would put him at CB and not RB. But he turned out okay there.

DaWolf
07-07-2005, 05:37 AM
I really have no idea if Knight is gonna be any good for us or not. Yeah Gunther raves about him, but what else is new? Gunther still raves about how Todd Collins stood in against his blitz 8 years ago and threw 4 straight incomplete passes. :rolleyes:

I'll have to wait and see what Knight gives us on the field. Prisco lives in Florida so he has seen more of Knight with the Dolphins than I have. The Dolphins had no hesitation in dumping him, he wasn't the top safety on our list, and the bottom line is that we brought him in more for his smarts and leadership than his athletic ability. Which is fine, we need those aspects badly. But I have no idea if the guy is actually any good or not anymore. I hope he is, because I want that Lombardi this year...