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royr17
07-09-2005, 05:45 AM
With Training Camp just around the Corner, all the draft picks the Chiefs have signed thus far is a Offensive Tackle we took in the 7th round named Jeremy Parquet.

Thus leaving, Derrick Johnson, Dustin Colquitt, Cro Thorpe, Alphonso Hodge, Boomer Grigsby, Will Svitek, Khari Long, and James Kilian unsigned.

Does any of this concern you guys. The guys i want signed and in camp on time are DJ, Colquitt, Thorpe, and Hodge, the others I dont really care about.

chop
07-09-2005, 05:53 AM
How many draft picks around the league have been signed by the teams that drafted them?

chop
07-09-2005, 05:55 AM
The only one I'm concerned with is D. Johnson. The first round picks are usually the ones that hold out and are the ones the team needs the most.

royr17
07-09-2005, 05:55 AM
dont know, but usually other years we have about 4 or 5 signed by now.

dont care about others teams, only care about this team.

chop
07-09-2005, 06:04 AM
dont care about others teams, only care about this team.


The reason I bring up other teams is everyone is waiting for the market to be set. I think they shoud just have a predetermined salary based upon draft position. This would end all of htis crap every year.

royr17
07-09-2005, 06:09 AM
The reason I bring up other teams is everyone is waiting for the market to be set. I think they shoud just have a predetermined salary based upon draft position. This would end all of htis crap every year.

I totally agree with you there, that would make it easier to get contracts set up signed and players into camp on time cause that means they cant hold out for more money.

htismaqe
07-09-2005, 06:18 AM
Do we have to go through this every year?

The agents are waiting until someone sets the slotting.

htismaqe
07-09-2005, 06:19 AM
The reason I bring up other teams is everyone is waiting for the market to be set. I think they shoud just have a predetermined salary based upon draft position. This would end all of htis crap every year.

Hey, leave me outta this.

:D

Ultra Peanut
07-09-2005, 06:19 AM
I couldn't sleep last night because I was so worried about this.





Oh, wait. I haven't slept because my friend was over until 2:30 AM and I've been playing an MMORPG since he left. Disregard the previous statement.

raypec85
07-09-2005, 07:20 AM
I don't recall KC ever having trouble getting a 3rd round pick or lower into camp on time so no, I'm not worried at all about those. Derrick Johnson on the other hand could be a problem. I sure hope not. It's no big deal that he hasn't signed yet since that's typical but there's always the potential he could be a hold out. Given how atypical Peterson has been this offseason though I'll predict that Johnson will be signed in time for camp.

JimNasium
07-09-2005, 07:28 AM
Carl has too much invested in this offseason to not get the rookies in. Barring something weird ala the Tait situation I think all will be into camp in a timely manner. The only complicating factor would be if some of the teams that drafted in the mid-first do something stupid in negotiating with their rooks.

Skip Towne
07-09-2005, 07:28 AM
All I really care about is Rich Scanlon. Is Rich Scanlon signed?

chop
07-09-2005, 08:01 AM
Hey, leave me outta this.

:D


I wonder if it was a simple typo or is it a feeling I have held deep down concerning your posts that has just surfaced. :hmmm:





:D

oaklandhater
07-09-2005, 08:34 AM
I couldn't sleep last night because I was so worried about this.





Oh, wait. I haven't slept because my friend was over until 2:30 AM and I've been playing an MMORPG since he left. Disregard the previous statement.

which MMORPG?

Bowser
07-09-2005, 08:47 AM
No, no worries at all.

Ask again on July 29th.

CosmicPal
07-09-2005, 09:18 AM
I WAS concerned about the environment, oil prices, and the leak in my neighbor's roof, but not having any players signed takes precedence over everything.

RedThat
07-09-2005, 09:24 AM
Do we have to go through this every year?

The agents are waiting until someone sets the slotting.

yeah i know...it's bullsh*t
:rolleyes:

PHOG
07-09-2005, 10:06 AM
:shake:

Not 'til JULY 28TH

Bob Dole
07-09-2005, 07:08 PM
Do we have to go through this every year?

The agents are waiting until someone sets the slotting.

And as Bob Dole suggestedx 3 weeks ago, perhaps Carl should get off his dead ass and offer his new EMPLOYEE a fair contract and start the process, instead of sitting on his ass waiting for the agent to initiate the process.

Someone has to be first. This waiting around for someone else to lead the way leads to nothing but lost time

RedThat
07-09-2005, 07:24 PM
And as Bob Dole suggestedx 3 weeks ago, perhaps Carl should get off his dead ass and offer his new EMPLOYEE a fair contract and start the process, instead of sitting on his ass waiting for the agent to initiate the process.

Someone has to be first. This waiting around for someone else to lead the way leads to nothing but lost time


:bravo:

Ultra Peanut
07-09-2005, 07:31 PM
which MMORPG?City of Heroes, free 14-day trial.

"It's fun. We get to play with knives."

Wait, wrong game.

milkman
07-09-2005, 07:31 PM
And as Bob Dole suggestedx 3 weeks ago, perhaps Carl should get off his dead ass and offer his new EMPLOYEE a fair contract and start the process, instead of sitting on his ass waiting for the agent to initiate the process.

Someone has to be first. This waiting around for someone else to lead the way leads to nothing but lost time

Didn't I read somewhere that Carl has already attempted to start the negotiating process, but that the agent is waiting for other 1st round picks to be signed to set the slotting?

Chiefs Pantalones
07-09-2005, 07:46 PM
Didn't I read somewhere that Carl has already attempted to start the negotiating process, but that the agent is waiting for other 1st round picks to be signed to set the slotting?

I read that, too. But you can't believe everything you read. It doesn't matter, though. IMO, this year we'll get all our picks in on time. I don't think Carl will be that much of a tough SOB negotiator because he doesn't want to screw up Dick's last season. DJ HAS to be in camp on time, IMO. I think he'll start no matter what in the opener, but I just think it's important that he makes most of his mistakes in training camp and in the preseason games.

I really feel that this year will be different. We will get our picks all signed before camp.

RedThat
07-09-2005, 07:56 PM
This maybe a dumb question, but, i have to ask it. Do any of you guys think the Chiefs are still monitoring the whole situation w/ Ty Law which in turn affects their ability to sign their draft picks?

Chiefs Pantalones
07-09-2005, 07:58 PM
This maybe a dumb question, but, i have to ask it. Do any of you guys think the Chiefs are still monitoring the whole situation w/ Ty Law which in turn affects their ability to sign their draft picks?

No. We have a rookie pool for them, I believe.

htismaqe
07-09-2005, 08:43 PM
I read that, too. But you can't believe everything you read. It doesn't matter, though. IMO, this year we'll get all our picks in on time. I don't think Carl will be that much of a tough SOB negotiator because he doesn't want to screw up Dick's last season. DJ HAS to be in camp on time, IMO. I think he'll start no matter what in the opener, but I just think it's important that he makes most of his mistakes in training camp and in the preseason games.

I really feel that this year will be different. We will get our picks all signed before camp.

Exactly. Carl is an ass. Carl has an ego. Carl probably can't evaluate talent worth a shit.

But when it comes to stuff like this, he ain't stupid. DJ will be in camp on time.

Chiefs Pantalones
07-09-2005, 08:49 PM
I think this team will be something this year. I look forward to every season, but something feels good about this one. Hopefully the feeling is right.

patteeu
07-09-2005, 08:55 PM
I'm taking Ativan by the handfuls to get through this trying time. :p

T-post Tom
07-10-2005, 12:15 AM
Early starts put first-rounders in a bind


By Pat Kirwan
NFL.com Senior Analyst


(July 9, 2005) -- Last year, just one first-round draft pick was signed in the month of June -- Jason Babin of the Houston Texans. But the early signing did not hurt Babin financially. In fact, his average yearly salary is higher than two players drafted ahead of him that elected to wait until August to get their names on a contract.

After Babin inked his deal, 18 first-round selections signed in July and the final 13 didn't get to camp until August. The most famous holdout of last summer was quarterback Philip Rivers, the fourth overall selection of the draft. He didn't officially become a San Diego Charger until Aug. 24, and by then, Drew Brees had won the starting quarterback job.

This year, the fourth pick in the draft is running back Cedric Benson and there is extra pressure on the talented running back from Texas who is supposed to be the cornerstone of future Chicago Bear teams.

The Bears are playing in the Hall of Fame game in Canton, Ohio, on Aug. 8, which is nearly a week before preseason games get under way for most other teams in the NFL. The ripple effect of the early preseason game is that the Bears go to training camp on July 23, while teams like the Redskins, Ravens, Steelers and Cardinals don't go to camp until July 31. The teams starting nine days later have the extra days to get their top picks signed after the market begins to take shape and the players aren't criticized for being late to camp.

For Benson to be in on time, he is going to have to get a deal done without the market for 2005 being established, and the player who was in his spot last year (Rivers) was a quarterback, which makes it very hard to establish the "right deal." Compounding the situation even more is that Rivers got a bigger signing bonus and a better yearly average than the player selected third last year, Larry Fitzgerald of the Cardinals. The first running back selected in 2004 was Steven Jackson of the Rams way down at the 24th spot, so there is no point of reference in terms of position.

The most interesting dynamic that is going to play out with the Cedric Benson contract in the next few weeks is the fact that Ronnie Brown, the running back from Auburn selected by the Dolphins at the second overall spot, just two up from Benson, is also scheduled to play in the Hall of Fame game. Under new head coach Nick Saban, the Dolphins are scheduled to report to camp on July 24, just one day after the Bears and a full week earlier than many teams.


The Bears hope to have Cedric Benson in uniform when camp opens July 23.
I can't imagine there is a very good chance of seeing either young ball carrier in the nationally televised game from Canton. Both young men will be labeled "holdouts" if they don't get signed by July 24, but if their teams weren't in the early preseason game, that wouldn't be the case at all. I wouldn't call them victims of circumstances, but I don't believe the Hall of Fame game for the top two running backs taken is going to help their early image with their respective fans. I wonder if Bears running back Thomas Jones, a former first-round pick himself, believes he could be this year's Drew Brees if Benson takes until August to get to camp. On the other side of the coin, keep in mind that Ben Roethlisberger didn't ink his deal with the Steelers until Aug. 4 last year and he had a pretty good rookie season.

The early starts create stress on two other teams that have a game in Tokyo on Aug. 6. Atlanta and Indianapolis leave for Japan around Aug. 3 and both start camp earlier than most teams. The Colts' first-round pick (Marlin Jackson at No. 29) and the Falcons' first-rounder ( Roddy White at No. 27) would probably want to see some deals done before they commit to contracts. Last year, the final five draft picks in the first round were done later than when the Colts and Falcons would like to get their players signed this year. The final first-round selection in 2004, tight end Ben Watson of the Patriots, didn't come to camp until Aug. 16.

Because the Collective Bargaining Agreement has not been extended yet, agents and club officials are dealing with a negotiating season that can only amortize signing bonuses over five years instead of six years like they did last year. The early preseason games will stress four teams and four players more than the other teams and first-round picks to get to camp on time. Three of the four teams have the salary-cap space available to get the players signed, but one team is very tight to the cap and may have to let a player go to fit the top rookie under the cap.

Finally, I remember when our team played in the Hall of Fame game and we were in camp early to prepare. Agents were not going to let that influence their responsibilities to get their clients the best deals they could negotiate. These are not easy times for the chief

Nightfyre
07-10-2005, 12:20 AM
Are you concerned?
Not particularly.

Logical
07-10-2005, 12:56 AM
dont know, but usually other years we have about 4 or 5 signed by now.

dont care about others teams, only care about this team.Not particularly concerned (accept as others mentioned about DJ), this has been a very big and busy offseason for the Chiefs and I am not at all suprised they have put off signing their draft picks. I would expect that to change over the next three weeks.

Taco John
07-10-2005, 02:33 AM
Exactly. Carl is an ass. Carl has an ego. Carl probably can't evaluate talent worth a shit.

But when it comes to stuff like this, he ain't stupid. DJ will be in camp on time.



Since when? Carl has one of the worst records of getting his first rounders in on time in the entire HISTORY of the league...

mounged
07-10-2005, 05:05 AM
Since the number one pick in San Fransico has not signed, no one knows what to sign for. Everyone is afraid to sign now and then find out that some one drafted behind them got more money. It all comes down to the all mighty dollar.

htismaqe
07-10-2005, 05:55 AM
Since when? Carl has one of the worst records of getting his first rounders in on time in the entire HISTORY of the league...

Since when has Carl followed an offseason like this with a long rookie hold-out?

He hasn't.

So go back to your own board, ****wad.

Bob Dole
07-10-2005, 06:22 AM
Didn't I read somewhere that Carl has already attempted to start the negotiating process, but that the agent is waiting for other 1st round picks to be signed to set the slotting?

It may have been printed somewhere, but Bob Dole hasn't seen it.

Bob Dole has, however, seen this (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2494051).

htismaqe
07-10-2005, 07:44 AM
It may have been printed somewhere, but Bob Dole hasn't seen it.

Bob Dole has, however, seen this (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2494051).

I heard it on the radio.

Sparhawk
07-10-2005, 08:50 AM
We should start to hear of players getting signed this week. I agree with Htismage, the King will have him in camp. I'd be very suprised if anyone were late.