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KChiefs1
07-11-2005, 02:11 PM
http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/fantasy/story/8627703/rss

Cardinals chirping up 2005

There used to be an unwritten rule about drafting Arizona Cardinals players in Fantasy Football: Proceed at your own risk.

For years, the Redbirds would field a football team that never excelled offensively. Sure, a David Boston or Ronald Moore would come along and catch our eyes, but for the most part there were better Fantasy options at every position.

That has drastically changed. Starting with the surprise emergence of Anquan Boldin in 2002, the Cardinals have become an intriguing and franchise, specifically on offense. Arizona signed Kurt Warner in the offseason, added running back J.J. Arrington via the draft and made ex-Kansas City tight ends coach Keith Rowen its new offensive coordinator.

Suddenly, the Cardinals look like a team that could have at least four players make Fantasy rosters, all of which could be major contributors if what Larry Fitzgerald's feelings on the new offensive system holds true.

"We're pretty much doing what Kansas City does in terms of moving around and going to different formations," Fitzgerald told CBS SportsLine.com at the Rookie Symposium earlier this offseason. "Anquan and I are going to be lined up in different positions so we won't be identified as much, and J.J. is so versatile out of the backfield in terms of catching and running the ball. He has terrific hands and open-field ability, so it's going to be a difficult matchup for any linebacker out there."

Fantasy owners are all too familiar with the Chiefs after Priest Holmes exploded in 2001, and any system that can duplicate that success would be welcomed in every Fantasy league. Trent Green has posted some incredible statistics over the past few seasons. To see that kind of output from Warner in 2005 would be equally amazing.

It also sounds like Fitzgerald knows what to expect from Arrington in 2005.

"J.J.'s going to get the ball a lot," he said. "We've put a lot of stuff in (the playbook) for him so far in minicamps, so there are high expectations for him. ... J.J. will be a big part of (our offense) this year."

Arrington confirmed that while he has not heard anything about being a starter, he has been told to expect to see the football a lot.

"They said they were going to give me a lot of touches," said Arrington, who said he worked with both the first and second teams during offseason minicamps and OTAs and hopes to complete studying the playbook before training camp. He also appeared to have added a little weight to his upper body.

Fitzgerald was equally optimistic about his own play in 2005.

"Personally, I want to go out there and play a full season at the level I know I am capable of playing at," he said. "Last year I was unable to do that for different reasons, but this year is going to be a lot better for me. ... I think I am light years ahead of where I was last year."

As for their new quarterback, both Fitzgerald and Arrington spoke highly of Warner, who should provide a boost in the passing game.

"He looks sharp," Fitzgerald said. "He's a total leader and a class act in the locker room and he's been a great asset for us so far. ... I haven't had many quarterbacks in my life -- Josh McCown and my college quarterback were good, but Kurt is a champion."

Arrington agrees: "Kurt's looking real good. I've been working on my blocking and will block for him as much as I can. As long as we block for him, he should do well."

Fitzgerald was also complimentary of first-round pick CB Antrel Rolle, while Arrington touted seventh-round selection WR LeRon McCoy.

Itís been hard to get excited about the Cardinals, both on Draft Day and on Sundays, but now they have the potential to be major players in 2005.

jiveturkey
07-11-2005, 02:18 PM
They won't be good at it until they practice against Scanlon.

HemiEd
07-11-2005, 02:18 PM
I am excited

nascher
07-11-2005, 02:19 PM
Last year the Bears "Run" the Chiefs Offense !!! with Terry Shea @ OC.

And finished dead last. (32)

bobbything
07-11-2005, 02:22 PM
The Bears also run KC's offense. They had the worst offense in the league last year.

edit: damn, beaten to it.

J Diddy
07-11-2005, 02:24 PM
Last year the Bears "Run" the Chiefs Offense !!! with Terry Shea @ OC.

And finished dead last. (32)

Big difference.

The Cards have outstanding WR, a QB who has been in the system (and won the SB with it), a decent O line. I don't know anything about the RB.

The Bears have none of the above.

I see the Cards being middle of the pack this year and moving up.

Simplex3
07-11-2005, 02:30 PM
I see the Cards being middle of the pack this year and moving up.
Denny Green will get them to the NFC title game where they will get killed 40-something to damn-near nothing by a team they should have whipped. (See Marty Schottenheimer)

Count Alex's Losses
07-11-2005, 02:31 PM
Cards should rip some shit up.

Simplex3
07-11-2005, 02:32 PM
Cards should rip some shit up.
Bidwell's ownership agreement should be first.

Rain Man
07-11-2005, 02:34 PM
Isn't there a league rule against the Cardinals making the playoffs?

nascher
07-11-2005, 02:35 PM
Warner will get sacked 80 Times.

Simplex3
07-11-2005, 02:39 PM
Warner will get sacked 80 Times.
I disagree, but Warner won't make it to 80. If their O-Line is that bad they'll be on their second or third string guy by sack 40.

Frazod
07-11-2005, 02:42 PM
Bidwell's ownership agreement should be first.

Good start.

Of course, they'll need to somehow renew Warner's deal with the devil. :evil:

Simplex3
07-11-2005, 02:43 PM
Of course, they'll need to somehow renew Warner's deal with the devil. :evil:
They're still married aren't they?

chagrin
07-11-2005, 02:47 PM
They're still married aren't they?

ROFL

I am curious about that O-line though. they were thought of as either the very bottom of the barrel or not far from it, Kurt is toast if they haven't made any changes, other than letting go of LJ, who sucks BTW!

If O-Line does it's job, they improve by 4-6 games, if not, they remain the sorriest pile of monkey shit in the NFL

Frazod
07-11-2005, 02:50 PM
They're still married aren't they?

I don't think Brenda's the devil - although I think she's definitely part of trade-off. :D

Simplex3
07-11-2005, 02:52 PM
They're still married aren't they?
Sure enough.


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Jenny Gump
07-11-2005, 02:52 PM
Big difference.

The Cards have outstanding WR, a QB who has been in the system (and won the SB with it), a decent O line. I don't know anything about the RB.

The Bears have none of the above.

I see the Cards being middle of the pack this year and moving up.

I think Warner has the washed-up syndrome myself. I don't look for much out of him.

ChiefsOne
07-11-2005, 02:59 PM
They have talent, now they have a better coach than ever before, so they will do something. Should after having the top or top 5 draft pick for 20 years!

That suck if the Cards won a playoff game before the Chiefs did!

CoMoChief
07-11-2005, 03:05 PM
I hope the Cardinals win the NFC West. Im tired of all my friends at MU thinkin the Rams are a better team than the Chiefs simply because they have made it to the playoffs last few seasons. I guess thats what I should expect from at Rams fan though, forgetting the fact that they play in the shitty NFC for one thing, and an even more shitty division in the NFC West.

I think also the Rams fans forget that they were 1-3 against the teams they played from the AFC and that one win that they got was when the Jets had already locked up the playoff spot, so the game almost had no value to it, and they even won in OT by 3 pts.

chagrin
07-11-2005, 03:08 PM
They have talent, now they have a better coach than ever before, so they will do something. Should after having the top or top 5 draft pick for 20 years!

That suck if the Cards won a playoff game before the Chiefs did!


They won one in 1998 with Jake the Chicken snake

Dave Lane
07-11-2005, 03:13 PM
Warner will get sacked 80 Times.

In which game?

Dave

Reaper16
07-11-2005, 03:45 PM
I'm looking for the Cards to win the NFC West this year. They have improved their team, a team that should have won teh division last year.

crispystl420
07-11-2005, 04:24 PM
I hope the Cardinals win the NFC West. Im tired of all my friends at MU thinkin the Rams are a better team than the Chiefs simply because they have made it to the playoffs last few seasons. I guess thats what I should expect from at Rams fan though, forgetting the fact that they play in the shitty NFC for one thing, and an even more shitty division in the NFC West.

I think also the Rams fans forget that they were 1-3 against the teams they played from the AFC and that one win that they got was when the Jets had already locked up the playoff spot, so the game almost had no value to it, and they even won in OT by 3 pts.
I go to mu and noticed the same thing everyone's from St louis and they're all Rams fans( not very good ones either I might add)seems like most rams fans football knowledge extends back to the middle the season of the first year they won the superbowl and stops there.(I.E. ONLY WHEN THEIR TEAM WAS WINNING)

Mr. Laz
07-11-2005, 04:27 PM
won't matter if they try and run our offense ...

if their offensive line still sucks, the offense will suck.

Chieficus
07-11-2005, 04:32 PM
I don't think Brenda's the devil - although I think she's definitely part of trade-off. :D

Maybe not the devil, but she and Gozer have a lot in common.

Calcountry
07-11-2005, 05:25 PM
Arizona Cardinals running the Chiefs offense.

Well, that will fug it up for sure.

Deberg_1990
07-11-2005, 05:29 PM
I go to mu and noticed the same thing everyone's from St louis and they're all Rams fans( not very good ones either I might add)seems like most rams fans football knowledge extends back to the middle the season of the first year they won the superbowl and stops there.(I.E. ONLY WHEN THEIR TEAM WAS WINNING)

Good Point, if you really want to test them, ask them if they even remember who Jerome Bettis and Rich Brooks were??

J Diddy
07-11-2005, 05:33 PM
I think Warner has the washed-up syndrome myself. I don't look for much out of him.

I do not.

I think that Martz evolved the offense beyond the point that warner could run it competently.

I think he will do fine if they play to his strengths like they once did.

Although I feel this is just a quick fix to quicken the learning of the system. If he plays there beyond this year I'd be surprised.

CrazyPhuD
07-11-2005, 06:57 PM
:hmmm: where are the stories about all the teams running the chiefs defense!! :cuss:

pikesome
07-11-2005, 07:12 PM
I hope the Cardinals win the NFC West. Im tired of all my friends at MU thinkin the Rams are a better team than the Chiefs simply because they have made it to the playoffs last few seasons. I guess thats what I should expect from at Rams fan though, forgetting the fact that they play in the shitty NFC for one thing, and an even more shitty division in the NFC West.

I think also the Rams fans forget that they were 1-3 against the teams they played from the AFC and that one win that they got was when the Jets had already locked up the playoff spot, so the game almost had no value to it, and they even won in OT by 3 pts.

The NFC West title doesn't go to the winning team like the rest of football. It goes the the team who can't lose as much as the others. Hence the Ram's division
championship.

J Diddy
07-11-2005, 08:23 PM
:hmmm: where are the stories about all the teams running the chiefs defense!! :cuss:


My nephews YMCA football team ran the Chiefs defense and the Cards offense.

Jenny Gump
07-11-2005, 08:32 PM
I do not.

I think that Martz evolved the offense beyond the point that warner could run it competently.

I think he will do fine if they play to his strengths like they once did.

Although I feel this is just a quick fix to quicken the learning of the system. If he plays there beyond this year I'd be surprised.

Here's why I disagree. If you compare one offense as being similar to another, you have to look at the quarterbacks. Warner didn't even play in six regular season games. At that, his best games were against GB and Detroit wiith like just over 66% and 75% pass completions respectively.

Green on the other hand, had almost double the games with his two best against strong teams...Indy and Denver.

Also, I just have a gut feeling about Warner. I think he was somewhat of a fluke. Besides, I have a crush on Trent. This is scientifically sound football analysis in itself.

J Diddy
07-11-2005, 08:43 PM
Here's why I disagree. If you compare one offense as being similar to another, you have to look at the quarterbacks. Warner didn't even play in six regular season games. At that, his best games were against GB and Detroit wiith like just over 66% and 75% pass completions respectively.

Green on the other hand, had almost double the games with his two best against strong teams...Indy and Denver.

Also, I just have a gut feeling about Warner. I think he was somewhat of a fluke. Besides, I have a crush on Trent. This is scientifically sound football analysis in itself.

Ok a couple of things.

First I named my son Trent, so figure out if I like him.
Two, I didn't say anything about Trent Green.
Three, nobody is comparing Trent Green to Kurt Warner
Four, I was stating that Kurt wasn't done. He needs to be in the right place.
Five, a flash in the pan is usually gone after a year
Six, Chicken is really tasty, especially original recipe.



:) :)

Jenny Gump
07-11-2005, 09:47 PM
Ok a couple of things.

First I named my son Trent, so figure out if I like him.
Two, I didn't say anything about Trent Green.
Three, nobody is comparing Trent Green to Kurt Warner
Four, I was stating that Kurt wasn't done. He needs to be in the right place.
Five, a flash in the pan is usually gone after a year
Six, Chicken is really tasty, especially original recipe.



:) :)

Ok, my turn.

First that was more than a "couple" of things.
Two, I didn't say you said anything about Green. I don't have to wait for an intro from you to bring him up.
Three, I was comparing Green to Warner, since the two offenses were being compared.
Four, I really didn't read your post. I was just eager to prove my football knowledge.
Five, I agree with the flash in the pants...err...pan thing. My gut tells me that he's fried.
Six, I wore my skirt sideways until 9 am today.