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Hercules Rockefell
07-13-2005, 07:21 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_2854842

Depth makes Middlebrooks expendable
Denver and San Francisco are discussing a deal that would involve the injury- plagued defensive back.
By Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writer

The Broncos and San Francisco are discussing a deal that would send former first-round pick Willie Middlebrooks to the 49ers as early as today for an undisclosed veteran player.

The 49ers, who are in need of a backup cornerback, are investigating Middlebrooks' off-the- field behavior before finalizing a deal. The Broncos' top pick in 2001 was arrested in January on misdemeanor domestic violence charges.

Middlebrooks has an Oct. 11 trial date. He had a court hearing Monday.

"Everything is on hold before we talk any further. We want to know we're chasing a good guy," 49ers coach Mike Nolan told the Santa Rosa Press Democrat. "We want to make sure it was a bad choice and not a character issue."

Nolan said a trade was "50-50."

He said the Broncos would likely get a veteran in return. San Francisco has been shopping defensive linemen John Engelberger and Andre Carter because the 49ers are switching to a 3-4 defense.

Middlebrooks was the 24th pick in 2001. Carter, the seventh pick in 2001, played in just seven games last season because of back problems.

Engelberger, from Virginia Tech, has played for the 49ers since 2000.

An NFL source said the Broncos have been shopping Middlebrooks around the league.

Among the teams still looking for help at cornerback are San Francisco, Jacksonville, New England, Miami and Kansas City.

The injury-plagued Middlebrooks may be expendable because of the wealth of young backup defensive backs. The Broncos used their top three draft choices on cornerbacks: Darrent Williams, Karl Paymah and Domonique Foxworth. With training camp less than three weeks away, the Broncos would likely prefer to get a player on a current roster in return for Middlebrooks.
Middlebrooks' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, said he couldn't comment on whether a trade was imminent.

Middlebrooks, entering the final year of his contract, was the team's nickel back last year because of an injury to Lenny Walls. Middlebrooks played well before he suffered torn ligaments in his right leg Dec. 12 against Miami, ending his season. Middlebrooks' first three seasons were interrupted by injuries.

Bill Williamson can be reached at 303-820-5450 or bwilliamson@denverpost.com.

BigChiefFan
07-13-2005, 07:34 AM
Sounds like they want to trade him because he's in his final year and Rosenhaus is the agent.

The Bad Guy
07-13-2005, 07:38 AM
If the 49ers trade Andre Carter for him they would just relocate to Canada and play over there.

jspchief
07-13-2005, 07:46 AM
Sounds like they want to trade him because he's in his final year and Rosenhaus is the agent.Yea, either that or because he sucks.

It's weird that a team would have surplus at one position after drafting that position in the first 17 rounds of the draft. They should try and get Rashaan Salaam

BigChiefFan
07-13-2005, 07:53 AM
The 49ers would be fools to trade Carter for Middlebrooks.

Hercules Rockefell
07-13-2005, 07:54 AM
Sounds like they want to trade him because he's in his final year and Rosenhaus is the agent.

NFLPA has him under contract through '06, so BW is either wrong or WM has hit an incentive that will void the deal.

Hercules Rockefell
07-13-2005, 07:54 AM
The 49ers would be fools to trade Carter for Middlebrooks.

A Bay Area paper says it is likely to be Engelberger.

ct
07-13-2005, 07:57 AM
If they'll give up Carter of Engelberger for Middlebrooks, maybe we should offer Woods or Bartee. This smacks of total desperation from the 49ers.

jspchief
07-13-2005, 07:58 AM
I'm just suprised it took so long for the Donkey organization to give up on Middlebust.

BigChiefFan
07-13-2005, 08:00 AM
A Bay Area paper says it is likely to be Engelberger.
He's a solid player, but not much more than that. I still think the Broncos get the better of the deal because Middlebrooks is a bust.

DEFENSIVE STATS

Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
2001 Denver Broncos 8 1 1.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
2002 Denver Broncos 15 16 14.0 2 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
2003 Denver Broncos 16 22 19.0 3 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
2004 Denver Broncos 12 27 21.0 6 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 5
TOTAL 51 66 55.0 11 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 6

Hercules Rockefell
07-13-2005, 08:02 AM
He's a solid player, but not much more than that. I still think the Broncos get the better of the deal because Middlebrooks is a bust.


Yep. It's not like Denver's giving up either '06 1st or their 2nd. They're trading a guy who hasn't been able to stay healthy since they drafted him for someone who will contribute in the DL rotation.

BigChiefFan
07-13-2005, 08:03 AM
Yep. It's not like Denver's giving up either '06 1st or their 2nd. They're trading a guy who hasn't been able to stay healthy since they drafted him for someone who will contribute in the DL rotation.
May this deal fall flat on it's ass.

ct
07-13-2005, 08:04 AM
He's a solid player, but not much more than that. I still think the Broncos get the better of the deal because Middlebrooks is a bust.

DEFENSIVE STATS

Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
2001 Denver Broncos 8 1 1.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
2002 Denver Broncos 15 16 14.0 2 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
2003 Denver Broncos 16 22 19.0 3 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
2004 Denver Broncos 12 27 21.0 6 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 5
TOTAL 51 66 55.0 11 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 6

No he is not a solid player, he's a chump to the level of Bartee.

DEFENSIVE STATS

Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
2000 Kansas City Chiefs 16 32 28.0 4 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 2
2001 Kansas City Chiefs 16 38 36.0 2 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 6
2002 Kansas City Chiefs 14 83 77.0 6 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 6
2003 Kansas City Chiefs 11 30 26.0 4 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
2004 Kansas City Chiefs 14 46 40.0 6 1.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 6
TOTAL 71 229 207.0 22 3.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 21

Mile High Mania
07-13-2005, 08:06 AM
Bronco Billy is on the phone again... actually, I'll be happy to be rid of Willie.

BigChiefFan
07-13-2005, 08:06 AM
No he is not a solid player, he's a chump to the level of Bartee.

DEFENSIVE STATS

Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
2000 Kansas City Chiefs 16 32 28.0 4 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 2
2001 Kansas City Chiefs 16 38 36.0 2 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 6
2002 Kansas City Chiefs 14 83 77.0 6 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 6
2003 Kansas City Chiefs 11 30 26.0 4 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
2004 Kansas City Chiefs 14 46 40.0 6 1.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 6
TOTAL 71 229 207.0 22 3.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 21
You MISUNDERSTOOD. I was referring to Engleberger when I made the "solid player" comment. I called Middlebrooks a bust.

ct
07-13-2005, 08:10 AM
You MISUNDERSTOOD. I was referring to Engleberger when I made the "solid player" comment. I called Middlebrooks a bust.

:doh!: my bad! In that case, I agree! :clap:

HemiEd
07-13-2005, 08:50 AM
Bronco Billy is on the phone again... actually, I'll be happy to be rid of Willie.
ROFL

Hercules Rockefell
07-13-2005, 08:02 PM
Engelberger

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2107356

Mile High Mania
07-13-2005, 08:07 PM
Heh... this made me laugh and cry.

"Engelberger joins 16 other defensive linemen in Denver, but he comes to the team with talent. "

Coach
07-13-2005, 08:09 PM
Heh... this made me laugh and cry.

"Engelberger joins 16 other defensive linemen in Denver, but he comes to the team with talent. "


Good lord. How many defensive linemen do you guys really need? Hell, might as well go 6 down linemen, 1 linebacker, 4 defensive backs. Or might as well go for 7 down linemen and 4 defensive backs.

Mile High Mania
07-13-2005, 08:15 PM
Well, I'm sure there's a good number of guys just hanging around to get beat up in camp.

beer bacon
07-13-2005, 08:15 PM
I still don't understand why the Broncos gave Gold an eight million dollar signing bonus, but are bringing in all these mediocre d-linemen for cheap. They already had a very good LB core before this offseason. On the other hand, they could have used another anchor for the D-line.

Mile High Mania
07-13-2005, 08:16 PM
I still don't understand why the Broncos gave Gold an eight million dollar signing bonus, but are bringing in all these mediocre d-linemen for cheap. They already had a very good LB core before this offseason. On the other hand, they could have used another anchor for the D-line.

Never doubt the master plan... the genius is in the design. Soon, we'll see the greatness unveiled.

stevieray
07-13-2005, 08:18 PM
Never doubt the master plan... the genius is in the design. Soon, we'll see the greatness unveiled.

:rolleyes:

unlurking
07-13-2005, 08:19 PM
I still don't understand why the Broncos gave Gold an eight million dollar signing bonus, but are bringing in all these mediocre d-linemen for cheap. They already had a very good LB core before this offseason. On the other hand, they could have used another anchor for the D-line.
Agreed, Gold was one of the "least needed" positions for the Broncos IMO.

Hercules Rockefell
07-13-2005, 08:19 PM
Gold's gotta have something on Shanahan or Bowlen. That's the only thing that would explain either's love for Gold.

HemiEd
07-13-2005, 08:20 PM
Well, I'm sure there's a good number of guys just hanging around to get beat up in camp.


The thought just occurred to me that Shanahan may have a whole new defense in mind. Maybe he is trying to come up with the 6/5 defense. Six Defensive linemen and 5 cornerbacks. ROFL

Bowser
07-13-2005, 08:22 PM
Never doubt the master plan... the genius is in the design. Soon, we'll see the greatness unveiled.

Yah......

beer bacon
07-13-2005, 08:26 PM
Gold's gotta have something on Shanahan or Bowlen. That's the only thing that would explain either's love for Gold.

I am not saying Gold is bad. I was actually hoping that the Chiefs would sign him and one of the big three FA MLBs. Still, I was pretty confounded when Denver snapped him up then moved Williams to the other side. I just don't see where the value is with signing him. It would have made more sense to try to hold onto Hayward or at least go after Okeafor.

Hercules Rockefell
07-13-2005, 08:29 PM
Still, I was pretty confounded when Denver snapped him up then moved Williams to the other side. I just don't see where the value is with signing him. It would have made more sense to try to hold onto Hayward or at least go after Okeafor.

You sound like a Bronco fan.

beer bacon
07-13-2005, 08:37 PM
You sound like a Bronco fan.

How dare you!

HemiEd
07-13-2005, 08:46 PM
You sound like a Bronco fan.


here here, that is not nice. :rolleyes:

SoCalBronco
07-13-2005, 09:08 PM
yep signing Gold was the only thing i truly hated this offseason everything else has been bargains with good upside/low risk or rapes (trade with Wash)

Mile High Mania
07-13-2005, 09:13 PM
:rolleyes:

FYI, that "swooshing" sound you heard was apparently the sarcasm flying over your head...

stevieray
07-13-2005, 09:41 PM
FYI, that "swooshing" sound you heard was apparently the sarcasm flying over your head...

I know, it sounded like pffft.

alanm
07-13-2005, 10:58 PM
Never doubt the master plan... the genius is in the design. Soon, we'll see the greatness unveiled.
Or not. ROFL

Coach
07-13-2005, 11:16 PM
Well the genius' design for this guy didn't work out.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/SwedeCarlson/Funnies/Football%20Smack/dumbass.jpg

Mile High Mania
07-14-2005, 05:58 AM
I know, it sounded like pffft.

Well, that was just gas...

the Talking Can
07-14-2005, 06:21 AM
Denver should just wait a year then they can have Sims.