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bogie
07-18-2005, 12:02 PM
I have admitted numerous times that I have a limited knowledge of foootball. That being said, will someone layout the D showing me who will play where and what the position is called. You know, who and where is the MLB and the OLB and the CB etc. I know we've aquired some great defensive players, but I don't honestly know where they play. While you're at it, if you're boared, can you do the same for the O.
Thanks.

bobbything
07-18-2005, 12:08 PM
I don't feel like laying this out for you, but if you want a good read on the offense, check out the most recent article on kcchiefs.com. I think Gretz wrote it. Part 1 of a 3 part series.

I find offenses in football very interesting. This one in particular because I was a huge fan of the run and shoot (which this is a more sophisticated version that seems to center on the offensive line rather than the QB and receivers), particulary at the high school and college levels. And I always wanted it to work in the NFL, but because you couldn't establish a sound running game (Barry Sanders was the exception) without the consistent use of a fullback and tight end, it never really worked that well.

bogie
07-18-2005, 12:13 PM
I don't feel like laying this out for you, but if you want a good read on the offense, check out the most recent article on kcchiefs.com. I think Gretz wrote it. Part 1 of a 3 part series.

I find offenses in football very interesting. This one in particular because I was a huge fan of the run and shoot (which this is a more sophisticated version that seems to center on the offensive line rather than the QB and receivers), particulary at the high school and college levels. And I always wanted it to work in the NFL, but because you couldn't establish a sound running game (Barry Sanders was the exception) without the consistent use of a fullback and tight end, it never really worked that well.


I'll read it.
Thanks.

bogie
07-18-2005, 12:26 PM
Thanks for the help. :sulk:

htismaqe
07-18-2005, 12:28 PM
I'm a defensive nut. Are just wanting to know where everyone will line up? Or do you want to know their role within the scheme (technique)?

Iowanian
07-18-2005, 12:31 PM
When this is done, I'd like to copy it into the "football 101" thread for ease of location.

bogie
07-18-2005, 12:37 PM
I'm a defensive nut. Are just wanting to know where everyone will line up? Or do you want to know their role within the scheme (technique)?

Both actually

bogie
07-18-2005, 12:38 PM
When this is done, I'd like to copy it into the "football 101" thread for ease of location.

I didn't know there was a "football 101" thread.

htismaqe
07-18-2005, 12:41 PM
Does the football 101 thread include the old discussion where myself and a few others explained the difference between 2-gap and 1-gap schemes?

If it does, I won't include that.

Rukdafaidas
07-18-2005, 12:46 PM
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Simplex3
07-18-2005, 12:47 PM
http://www.letstalkdefense.com/43defense.html

bogie
07-18-2005, 12:51 PM
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Very helpful. I appreciate it.

bogie
07-18-2005, 12:51 PM
http://www.letstalkdefense.com/43defense.html

Also very helpful. Thanks so much.

Simplex3
07-18-2005, 12:52 PM
I still think the most unusual defense I've seen since I've been watching football be successful in the NFL was the 4-4 played by the Bears in the mid 80's. That thing was a monster. In this pass happy day and age it wouldn't stand a chance IMO.

ptlyon
07-18-2005, 12:53 PM
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Law

ROFL

bogie
07-18-2005, 12:56 PM
Law

ROFL

I understand more why Law is so important. If we don't get him, let's hope Ambrose can fill in.

htismaqe
07-18-2005, 12:58 PM
I still think the most unusual defense I've seen since I've been watching football be successful in the NFL was the 4-4 played by the Bears in the mid 80's. That thing was a monster. In this pass happy day and age it wouldn't stand a chance IMO.

It's actually a 4-6, not a 4-4.

Generally, the SS is used much like a 4th LB would be.

Dartgod
07-18-2005, 12:59 PM
Also very helpful. Thanks so much.
You're really Packfan, aren't you? C'mon, Kenny, admit it. :p

Simplex3
07-18-2005, 01:00 PM
It's actually a 4-6, not a 4-4.

Generally, the SS is used much like a 4th LB would be.
Damnit, that was a typo. Good catch.

Brock
07-18-2005, 01:01 PM
It's actually a 4-6, not a 4-4.

Generally, the SS is used much like a 4th LB would be.

The 11th man is optional, I guess.

Mr. Laz
07-18-2005, 01:01 PM
I still think the most unusual defense I've seen since I've been watching football be successful in the NFL was the 4-4 played by the Bears in the mid 80's. That thing was a monster. In this pass happy day and age it wouldn't stand a chance IMO.

chiefs stack defense by in '69 was pretty weird too

htismaqe
07-18-2005, 01:03 PM
chiefs stack defense by in '69 was pretty weird too

Alot of the ideas that Stram used with the 4-4 stack are used in today's 4-3 defenses.

ptlyon
07-18-2005, 01:11 PM
I understand more why Law is so important. If we don't get him, let's hope Ambrose can fill in.

Warfield/Ambrose/McCleon = we'll be fine

Chiefnj
07-18-2005, 01:14 PM
It's actually a 4-6, not a 4-4.

Generally, the SS is used much like a 4th LB would be.


The D was named after the SS - #46 Doug Plank (sp?). It was all about moving their hard hitting safety up to the line to play as a lineman.

Mr. Laz
07-18-2005, 01:15 PM
Warfield/Ambrose/McCleon = we'll be fine :titus:

Simplex3
07-18-2005, 01:21 PM
chiefs stack defense by in '69 was pretty weird too
I wouldn't be born for another 3 years. :D

Iowanian
07-18-2005, 01:57 PM
Does the football 101 thread include the old discussion where myself and a few others explained the difference between 2-gap and 1-gap schemes?

If it does, I won't include that.

I don't think it does, however I listed that as a specific example of things I thought should/could be explained.

I'd appreciate it if you'd find that link and throw it on the thread. I made it because a couple of posters mentioned they were uncomfortable asking basic questions...........and with this stuff, there is only one way to learn about it, if you don't know it.

whtgldwldr
07-18-2005, 02:29 PM
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shouldnt Surtain be on the left side?

Lzen
07-18-2005, 02:55 PM
And I always wanted it to work in the NFL, but because you couldn't establish a sound running game ( Barry Sanders was the exception ) without the consistent use of a fullback and tight end, it never really worked that well.

TIC? :hmmm:

bogie
07-18-2005, 03:05 PM
I don't think it does, however I listed that as a specific example of things I thought should/could be explained.

I'd appreciate it if you'd find that link and throw it on the thread. I made it because a couple of posters mentioned they were uncomfortable asking basic questions...........and with this stuff, there is only one way to learn about it, if you don't know it.

This is really appreciated. Thanks.

htismaqe
07-18-2005, 03:50 PM
I don't think it does, however I listed that as a specific example of things I thought should/could be explained.

I'd appreciate it if you'd find that link and throw it on the thread. I made it because a couple of posters mentioned they were uncomfortable asking basic questions...........and with this stuff, there is only one way to learn about it, if you don't know it.

Sorry man. I searched and searched, but I can't find it.

Iowanian
07-18-2005, 04:28 PM
Maybe...just maybe....you should try searching under threads started by the username....po

never mind.

If you find it....stick it on the 101 thread, because your explanation was very good.

bogie
07-18-2005, 04:32 PM
Sorry man. I searched and searched, but I can't find it.

I appreciate the attempt.
Thanks.

go bowe
07-18-2005, 05:23 PM
I wouldn't be born for another 3 years. :Daha!

i knew you weren't a real fan...

johnny come lately... :p :p :p

Mr. Laz
07-18-2005, 05:26 PM
aha!

i knew you weren't a real fan...

johnny come lately... :p :p :p
:thumb:



these young whipper-snappers these days :harumph: