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Archie F. Swin
07-19-2005, 06:49 AM
Ok, I've heard this on two highly respected media outfits this month, and I call bullshit...

Radio and TV personalities suggesting that if we hadn't won independence from Britain "We would be talking like this" while they do their best Benny Hill or John Cleese. How could that be true?! We do speak English..it's just a different dialect. Our form of English is just distinct like the "English" spoken in Scotland or Australia or South Africa or even India. Our dialect evolved from the London manner of speech. It drives me crazy when people suggest we would all be speaking with British accents if we were still loyal to the Queen. It's not like we put an effort forth to speak differently from the red coats.

By the way, to British people think they sing funny?

CosmicPal
07-19-2005, 08:15 AM
I've always wondered what it would be like had we not won our own Civil War.

What if we had been still fighting for years to come? The decimation it would have caused on our own soil? The fact that we would never have become a super-power because we were constantly fighting ourselves?
The possibility our country could have been in ruins had we been fighting for a longer time...

Skip Towne
07-19-2005, 08:31 AM
When my buddy was in the Navy they would dock next to limey ships once in awhile. They would yell "F*ck the Queen" at them. They would yell back (in their Cockney accent) "F*ck Eisenhower".

Electric
07-19-2005, 08:36 AM
The good news is that we won that war!!!

I don't like tea!

Donger
07-19-2005, 08:44 AM
By the way, to British people think they sing funny?

Huh?

tyton75
07-19-2005, 08:44 AM
We would probably speak with a completely different accent than we currently do, simply because the "leaders" would speak in the British accent.. then as years past and TV came along.. all of the newscast's and tv shows would be in the same accent... I would think it would affect the outcome of our current language a little

we'd probably all sound like stroke victims!

Rain Man
07-19-2005, 08:48 AM
Tyton has a good point.

I'll bet we'd control Canada, too. Well, they would control Canada, I guess, but we'd all be one country. Well, colony, I guess.

This is hard.

Donger
07-19-2005, 08:49 AM
We would probably speak with a completely different accent than we currently do, simply because the "leaders" would speak in the British accent.. then as years past and TV came along.. all of the newscast's and tv shows would be in the same accent... I would think it would affect the outcome of our current language a little

we'd probably all sound like stroke victims!

Yep. Of course, we don't have audio from the time period, but I remember reading once that the 'Americans' at the time sounded quite different than the Brits.

ROYC75
07-19-2005, 09:01 AM
The good news is that we won that war!!!

I don't like tea!


Hi ya laddie, if ya don't drinka the tea, ya can't have ya any pudding, how can ya have ya any pudding if a ya don't drinka the tea......

Donger
07-19-2005, 09:04 AM
Hi ya laddie, if ya don't drinka the tea, ya can't have ya any pudding, how can ya have ya any pudding if a ya don't drinka the tea......

That brings up a point: please do not try to emulate other accents. It's really, well, annoying.

The worst is when a Brit tries to sounds like an American. They just sound drunk and stupid.

Electric
07-19-2005, 09:05 AM
Hi ya laddie, if ya don't drinka the tea, ya can't have ya any pudding, how can ya have ya any pudding if a ya don't drinka the tea......

That's ok, doc says I can't have pudding anymore anyway!!

And we will not even go to "Black Pudding" or "Blood Pudding"!!!

Rain Man
07-19-2005, 09:12 AM
That brings up a point: please do not try to emulate other accents. It's really, well, annoying.

The worst is when a Brit tries to sounds like an American. They just sound drunk and stupid.


I'm blessed by the fact that I cannot do accents at all, so I know better than to even try.

It annoys the heck out of me to be in a social situation with someone who likes to do accents. The only thing that gets me through it is fantasizing about breaking my drink glass and driving the jagged edge into their voice box.

cheeeefs
07-19-2005, 09:22 AM
I'm blessed by the fact that I cannot do accents at all, so I know better than to even try.

It annoys the heck out of me to be in a social situation with someone who likes to do accents. The only thing that gets me through it is fantasizing about breaking my drink glass and driving the jagged edge into their voice box.

Don't hold back Kevin. Tell us how you really feel.

Rain Man
07-19-2005, 09:27 AM
Don't hold back Kevin. Tell us how you really feel.

Is your username some sort of accented version of Chiefs?

Where's my glass?

Donger
07-19-2005, 09:28 AM
I'm blessed by the fact that I cannot do accents at all, so I know better than to even try.

It annoys the heck out of me to be in a social situation with someone who likes to do accents. The only thing that gets me through it is fantasizing about breaking my drink glass and driving the jagged edge into their voice box.

Heh. To an American, I can pass myself off as American (which I am), English, Scot, Irish, Aussie or South African.

South African's probably my favorite.

sd4chiefs
07-19-2005, 09:29 AM
I've always wondered what it would be like had we not won our own Civil War.

What if we had been still fighting for years to come? The decimation it would have caused on our own soil? The fact that we would never have become a super-power because we were constantly fighting ourselves?
The possibility our country could have been in ruins had we been fighting for a longer time...

For some wierd reason this same thought popped into my head when I woke up this morning. I think I am starting to develope some kind of psychic connection with the Chiefsplanet web site. (twilight zone music playing in the background) I'm scard.

Rain Man
07-19-2005, 09:29 AM
Heh. To an American, I can pass myself off as American (which I am), English, Scot, Irish, Aussie or South African.

South African's probably my favorite.

Dang it, WHERE'S MY GLASS?!?

Donger
07-19-2005, 09:42 AM
Dang it, WHERE'S MY GLASS?!?

Crikey! This chap's getting in quite a bother!

beavis
07-19-2005, 10:03 AM
They just sound drunk and stupid.
Nine times out of ten, I bet you are at least half right.

Electric
07-19-2005, 10:16 AM
Nine times out of ten, I bet you are at least half right.

I'd bet you graduated from the same skool as Yogi Bera.

ptlyon
07-19-2005, 10:25 AM
If we don't change our ways we will all be speaking Spanish in a couple of years.

StcChief
07-19-2005, 10:35 AM
The real question is would we drink warm ale with Bad teeth?

Have socialized medical paying 50% of our salary to government.

I'm still having trouble with idea of 'God save the Queen' And the whole British empire, sun not setting thing....

Having Canada, that's one less border... would be a plus.

whoman69
07-19-2005, 10:41 AM
I've always wondered what it would be like had we not won our own Civil War.

What if we had been still fighting for years to come? The decimation it would have caused on our own soil? The fact that we would never have become a super-power because we were constantly fighting ourselves?
The possibility our country could have been in ruins had we been fighting for a longer time...
Read Harry Turtledove. He speaks of the very thing. The moment hinges on a set of orders never lost at the Battle of Chickamauga (sp?). With that battle won, Stonewall is not killed in a later battle and the South is able to force an armstice. 20 years later in another civil war, the North goes to war again to stop the South from gaining territory from Mexico that gives them a corridor to the Pacific. The South is able to force a stalemate at the Ohio River. They can afford to send more troops into Mexico than the US since the British tie up their forces to guard California from naval bombardments. Fast forward to WWI when the Germans ally with the North and are able to win in that section of the world because the British need to send resourses to Canada to defend that country . The North battles the South again and are able to breakthrough the stalemate in Tennessee because of a new tactic of massed use of tanks. The South sues for peace but is left bitter by the defeat. A fascist state comes from the heels of the defeat that spits at the treaty limitations placed on them for building armaments in both the South and in France. The North turns to the Socialist Party formed in the 1880s by former President and scapegoat for losing the original war, Abraham Lincoln. The Socialists are weak on defense but the economy is running well until the depression. They return to power after 8 years of Republican rule that resulted in no way out of the depression and a war with Japan over the Hawaiian Islands that ended in a truce when neither side could gain advantage. WWII begins with the Southern leader getting the Constitution changed so that he could serve more than one 6 years term and an invasion of the North when a dispute arises from the North's offer to give rebellious Kentucky and parts of Texas back to the South. The South is prohibited from sending troops in but are able to send them in to deal with race riots that they start.

Dave Lane
07-19-2005, 10:53 AM
When my buddy was in the Navy they would dock next to limey ships once in awhile. They would yell "F*ck the Queen" at them. They would yell back (in their Cockney accent) "F*ck Eisenhower".

I would have thought your friends would have said F#ck the Queen and the limeys would have said f#ck George Washington your current president. ROFL

Dave

whoman69
07-19-2005, 10:53 AM
In regard to the British situation, like Canada we would be now independent of them. Colonialism just does not work. After WWII the British Empire ceased to be for the most part.