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Nightfyre
08-01-2005, 04:09 AM
I know how much you all love these threads, but your advice is so handy.

I have been offered this trade:

I would receive:

M Bulger
C Johnson
K Jones

for

T Brady
E Moulds
S Alexander

Im not that high on any Detroit RB. He also has The Priest and C Dillon
so I thought of counteroffering for Dillon in the place of Jones. I'm just not that high on Dillon either. The whole new OC thing has me worried, hence why I would trade Brady. Thoughts?

stumppy
08-01-2005, 04:18 AM
My top 3 players of the six would be Bulger, Johnson, and Alexander. If it were me it would all depend on the scoring and starting roster in my league.

Nightfyre
08-01-2005, 04:33 AM
Alright, Heres the situation:
8-Man league
Scoring:
Passing:
Completions
Yards
TDs
INTs
Rushing:
Yds
TDs
Receiving:
Rec
Yds
TDs
Returns:
Yds
TDs
Misc:
2-Pts
Fum Lost


My Team:
QB Brady
WR A Johnson
WR L Coles
RB S Alexander
RB J Lewis
TE T Gonzalez
W/T E Moulds
W/R J Jones

Do I think I have a great team? yeah. But Coles and Moulds are both terrifying to me. Also, Brady has me worried because they lost their OC. I wonder how much Dante is worth in Returns this year, though...

Nightfyre
08-01-2005, 04:35 AM
Complete Scoring Summary:
Completions (10)
Passing Yards (20 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (10)
Interceptions (-10)
Rushing Yards (20 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (10)
Receptions (10)
Reception Yards (20 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (10)
Return Yards (40 yards per point)
Return Touchdowns (20)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-10)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (5)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (10)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (15)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (20)
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards (-20)
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards (-15)
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards (-10)
Field Goals Missed 40-49 Yards (-5)
Field Goals Missed 50+ Yards (-1)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Point After Attempt Missed (-10)
Sack (2)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (10)
Block Kick (10)
Points Allowed 0 points (20)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (15)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (10)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (5)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-4)

ZootedGranny
08-01-2005, 05:17 AM
I think the biggest risk is that Jones could have a sophomore slump, and not carry his momentum from last year into this year. Even if he goes out and runs for 1300-1400 yards and 9 or 10 TDs, he still might be several TDs short of Alexander.

That said, I think Bulger will put up better fantasy numbers than Brady (not a blowout, but 20-30 points across the span of the season), and Chad will destroy Eric Moulds stat wise. I put Johnson along the likes of Moss and Owens.

Basically, it depends how high you are on Jones. It's one of the more fair trade offers I've seen.

papasmurf
08-01-2005, 05:21 AM
I make the deal. Brady isn't that great a fantasy QB

Mile High Mania
08-01-2005, 06:24 AM
It cracks me up when people say that Brady is not a great fantasy QB.

The last three seasons:
2002 nwe | 16 | 373 601 62.1 3764 6.3 28 14
2003 nwe | 16 | 317 527 60.2 3620 6.9 23 12
2004 nwe | 16 | 288 474 60.8 3692 7.8 28 14

He's not going to get you anything rushing, but the guy is solid...

Bulger has only had 2 seasons as a full starter:
2003 ram | 15 | 336 532 63.2 3845 7.2 22 22
2004 ram | 14 | 321 485 66.2 3964 8.2 21 14

Yardage is better than Brady, but the TDs are fewer and the INTs are equal or worse than Brady the last 2 seasons.

I have had Brady in the past on my team and he consistently delivers. I'm not saying he's the Manning jr of fantasy football, but the "not great" label really doesn't fit in my opinion.

Ok, back to the trade... :p

You're thinking of giving the guy with Priest and Dillon... Shaun Alexander. Based on the last 2 years, you're giving up points at QB in this deal and your losing some points at RB. The only obvious upgrade is at WR. 2/3 of the deal points to the other guy's benefit at this point.

I think Kevin Jones will be really good this year, but I'm not prepared to say I'd take him over Alexander. Same for Bulger...

I would walk from the deal.

chagrin
08-01-2005, 06:56 AM
I agree with the Donkey - BTW people, K Jones will be a 1000 yard back, again this year. Detroit has a good O-line.

Also, look at it this way, just line the players up. Moulds, Brady and Alexander v Bulger, Jones and Johnson...I go with the first 3 listed there.

Mile High Mania
08-01-2005, 07:09 AM
I agree with the Donkey - BTW people, K Jones will be a 1000 yard back, again this year. Detroit has a good O-line.

Also, look at it this way, just line the players up. Moulds, Brady and Alexander v Bulger, Jones and Johnson...I go with the first 3 listed there.

I'm a valiant steed...

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.theboxset.com/images/reviewcaptures/1296capture_shrek05.jpg

DTLB58
08-01-2005, 07:35 AM
I disagree with the people that say Brady is not a good fantasy QB. The past three years he has been a solid 2nd tier fantasy QB. Inside the numbers. 28,23,28 passing t.d.'s the past 3 years. INT's 14,12,14 Yards passing 3,764/3,620/3,692

Now if that's not consistent......Bulger's #'s He has only been a starter the last 2 full years so

T.D.'S 22 AND 21, Int's 22 and 14 Yards 3845 and 3692

Yea, you do have the ? whether Brady can continue these #'s without Weis as O-coordinator but I would rather trust Bill B. than Mad Martz.
I guess you don't have a huge drop off here. I think Brady is better but you have to consider the rest of the trade.....

Chad Johnson over Moulds EASILY I LOVE this part of it.

Alexander is a proven T.D. machine averaging 16 t.d.'s the past three years. Kevin Jones, I like and he could turn into a stud he will be a productive fantasy RB but probably not the stud Alexander is.

Brady slightly over Bulger-For him
Johnson huge over Moulds-For you
Alexander over Jones-For him

Mile High Mania
08-01-2005, 07:37 AM
I agree DT... and if 2/3 of the trade benefits the other guy, it's typically best to find a new deal... if your goal in fantasy football is to win.

Valiant
08-01-2005, 07:39 AM
I know how much you all love these threads, but your advice is so handy.

I have been offered this trade:

I would receive:

M Bulger
C Johnson
K Jones

for

T Brady
E Moulds
S Alexander

Im not that high on any Detroit RB. He also has The Priest and C Dillon
so I thought of counteroffering for Dillon in the place of Jones. I'm just not that high on Dillon either. The whole new OC thing has me worried, hence why I would trade Brady. Thoughts?


Unless you can get priest in the deal, you are basically handing the guy a easy spot all the way to the championship by loading him up... You are gaining a better WR, QB are about average, and giving up a lot at RB.. I would hold off, unless Bulger just happens to pull a manning this year and throw 45+ tds, you will not win the championship more then likely... The trade is in more his favor then yours...

patteeu
08-01-2005, 08:03 AM
I don't know if the changes in NE will hurt Brady or not, but if we are talking about last year's Brady, there is no way I would make this deal to downgrade my RB from Alexander to Jones.

Nightfyre
08-01-2005, 12:46 PM
Alright, he now proposed:
Bulger
Johnson
Dillon
for
Brady
Moulds
Alexander

:hmmm:

KCTitus
08-01-2005, 12:49 PM
I wouldnt give up Brady or Alexander for anyone...especially what's being offered.

chagrin
08-01-2005, 12:51 PM
hmmm,

Bulger for Brady = no brainer (Brady)
C Johnson for Moulds = toughy, but C Johnson
Alexander for Dillon = I need think about it

Brock
08-01-2005, 12:51 PM
Alright, he now proposed:
Bulger
Johnson
Dillon
for
Brady
Moulds
Alexander

:hmmm:

That's a maybe. I don't think Moulds will produce this year.

Nightfyre
08-01-2005, 12:56 PM
Im now considering counter-offering:
Johnson and Dillon
for
Alexander and Moulds

thoughts?

Nightfyre
08-01-2005, 12:57 PM
That's a maybe. I don't think Moulds will produce this year.
I dont like Moulds:
1. he's old
2. His QB is a newb

KCTitus
08-01-2005, 12:58 PM
Im now considering counter-offering:
Johnson and Dillon
for
Alexander and Moulds

thoughts?

Alexander will out perform Dillon...

chagrin
08-01-2005, 12:58 PM
His starting QB played at Tulane in a dome...ouch. I guess if you don't need a QB right now, go for it, or wait it out until after preseason

The Bad Guy
08-01-2005, 12:59 PM
I know how much you all love these threads, but your advice is so handy.

I have been offered this trade:

I would receive:

M Bulger
C Johnson
K Jones

for

T Brady
E Moulds
S Alexander

Im not that high on any Detroit RB. He also has The Priest and C Dillon
so I thought of counteroffering for Dillon in the place of Jones. I'm just not that high on Dillon either. The whole new OC thing has me worried, hence why I would trade Brady. Thoughts?

Do it immediately.

Moulds isn't even a top 30 receiver anymore. Alexander is awesome, but K. Jones is going to be a monster this year.

Bulger doesn't face more than 1 top ten defense from last year and plays 10 games in a dome.

C.J. is a top 5 receiver.

You are making out like a bandit.

JOhn
08-01-2005, 01:00 PM
Brady vs Bulger = Very slight edge to Bulger (FFL wise)
Johnson vs Moulds = johnson, easily
Dillion vs Alexander = Alexander, easily


IMO

Iowanian
08-01-2005, 01:03 PM
You're an idiot to trade anyone prior to being alot closer to the regular season........It doesn't do you any good to trade Ron Dayne for Ladanian Tomlinson, if Tomlinson blows his knee out in TC.

No way would I do that trade. If you take it, I hope you end up in one of the Money Leagues I figure on doing.


that said....I'd like to see a "battle of the Titans" league....The Bruisers of FFB.

Nightfyre
08-01-2005, 01:10 PM
OMG, now that I look at it, **** this league. Im gonna go make a trade for Manning. They gimped RBs. Check out the scoring :shake:

Nightfyre
08-01-2005, 01:11 PM
Acutally, make that Culpepper, 10 pts per COMPLETION?! wtf....

Mile High Mania
08-01-2005, 01:46 PM
This sounds like a weird league...

I don't expect much from Moulds this year with Losman at QB, so you need to find a way to move him and upgrade at WR.

However, I'm not certain I'd do the deal that was countered...

Alexander is considered a top 3 RB for a reason... Dillon had his best season (IIRC) last year, but I still don't think he can have Alexander numbers... although it will be close.

What does your entire team look like? Who is your other QB and your other RBs, WRs?

ct
08-01-2005, 01:48 PM
I wouldn't trade Alexander, period!

Nightfyre
08-01-2005, 01:51 PM
Well, I would trade my RB for a QB if not just because QBs score 10x as many points....

Nightfyre
08-01-2005, 01:58 PM
See attached pic for scoring skew...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/taklinn1/ffl.jpg

Mile High Mania
08-01-2005, 02:01 PM
Well, I would trade my RB for a QB if not just because QBs score 10x as many points....

Yeah, when posting these scenarios... oddities in the scoring should be thrown out to the masses in the beginning.

It sounds like an odd league.

Mile High Mania
08-01-2005, 02:03 PM
See attached pic for scoring skew...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/taklinn1/ffl.jpg


I don't have a 10 foot monitor... give us a brief rundown.

TDs equals how many points for:

Passing
Rushing
Receiving

Yardage equals how many points for:

10 yards
total yards
100 yard bonus?

etc

Nightfyre
08-01-2005, 02:03 PM
Anyway, bottom line is peyton ~4000 pts alexander~400 pts

Nightfyre
08-01-2005, 02:03 PM
Complete Scoring Summary:
Completions (10)
Passing Yards (20 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (10)
Interceptions (-10)
Rushing Yards (20 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (10)
Receptions (10)
Reception Yards (20 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (10)
Return Yards (40 yards per point)
Return Touchdowns (20)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-10)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (5)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (10)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (15)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (20)
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards (-20)
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards (-15)
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards (-10)
Field Goals Missed 40-49 Yards (-5)
Field Goals Missed 50+ Yards (-1)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Point After Attempt Missed (-10)
Sack (2)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (10)
Block Kick (10)
Points Allowed 0 points (20)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (15)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (10)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (5)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-4)

KCTitus
08-01-2005, 02:04 PM
Anyway, bottom line is peyton ~4000 pts alexander~400 pts

You think you'll be able to get Manning in a league that scores QB's that strongly? Good luck.

Mile High Mania
08-01-2005, 02:05 PM
Anyway, bottom line is peyton ~4000 pts alexander~400 pts

Are you reading the rules right? Do this math for me...

Manning gets 320 yards, 4 TDs and 1 INT ... that equals what?

Alexander gets 130 yards 2 TDs rushing and 50 receiving... that equals what?

Brock
08-01-2005, 02:11 PM
Are you reading the rules right? Do this math for me...

Manning gets 320 yards, 4 TDs and 1 INT ... that equals what?

Alexander gets 130 yards 2 TDs rushing and 50 receiving... that equals what?

How many passes did Manning complete?

KCTitus
08-01-2005, 02:15 PM
Are you reading the rules right? Do this math for me...

Manning gets 320 yards, 4 TDs and 1 INT ... that equals what?

Alexander gets 130 yards 2 TDs rushing and 50 receiving... that equals what?

320yds passing = 16pts
4 td's passing = 40pts
1 int = -10pts
[completions] * 10


130yds rushing = 6pts
2 td's rushing = 20pts
50 yds receiving = 2pts
[receptions] * 10

Mile High Mania
08-01-2005, 02:27 PM
Seriously, is it 10 pts per completion?

10 points for a blocked kick or safety and only 6 for a TD?

KCTitus
08-01-2005, 02:34 PM
Seriously, is it 10 pts per completion?

10 points for a blocked kick or safety and only 6 for a TD?

According to post #34, yes....

apparently it's 1 pt for an extra point, but -10 if the kicker misses. That's fugged.

ct
08-01-2005, 02:36 PM
See attached pic for scoring skew...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/taklinn1/ffl.jpg

zoom zoom

Mile High Mania
08-01-2005, 02:38 PM
According to post #34, yes....

apparently it's 1 pt for an extra point, but -10 if the kicker misses. That's fugged.

That is one outta whack scoring system.

ct
08-01-2005, 02:40 PM
Seriously, is it 10 pts per completion?

10 points for a blocked kick or safety and only 6 for a TD?

WTF? Is that a typo during league setup? Maybe 1pt/completion (which is still way high!)?

Not only would I walk from this trade, I'd walk from the league! That's just stupid, seriously.

Nzoner
08-01-2005, 02:55 PM
hmmm,
C Johnson for Moulds = toughy, but C Johnson


You'll have to explain that one to me.

Johnson's a no brainer imo.

KCChiefsMan
08-01-2005, 04:12 PM
Chad Johnson is far better than Moulds. Bulger is only slightly better than Brady for fantasy. Shaun Alexander was probably a top 5 pick and with that in mind, I would much rather keep him, he's too valuable, but it's a pretty even deal at this point, but you're giving away your 1st round pick and one of the best fantasy RBs out there. I had Chad Johnson last year and he was inconsistent week by week, Alexander is good each week.

??

patteeu
08-01-2005, 05:01 PM
Anyway, bottom line is peyton ~4000 pts alexander~400 pts

What matters are the differences. If peyton ~4000pts and brady ~3950, while alexander ~400 and dillon ~250, then your better off with brady and alexander. (I know that bulger is the guy being offered, but I just went with peyton since that's what you were using in this example.)

Mile High Mania
08-01-2005, 06:02 PM
Bulger is only slightly better than Brady for fantasy.

Can you explain how this is so?