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Bearcat
08-01-2005, 10:39 AM
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NHL fits us better than the NBA

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JASON WHITLOCK

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Saturday morning when I walked through the door at the Ice Sports Arena of Kansas City, Paul McGannon stood 15 feet away, head cocked, looking up at a TV screen as the NHL began its resurrection.
The NHL entry draft, the league’s first official act since inking a new collective-bargaining agreement, had been under way for maybe 30 minutes. Sidney Crosby, the teenager who commissioner Gary Bettman hopes makes the NHL relevant again, had already been plucked by the Pittsburgh Penguins.

The Ice Sports Arena was hosting a “watch party.” There were hot dogs, potato chips, ice cream, free ice time and a three-piece rockabilly band to entice potential partygoers. Ninety minutes into the draft, there were between 40 and 50 people milling around. Most cared little about the draft. They were there to watch their kids skate.
McGannon, of course, was there because his life is devoted to getting an NHL team in Kansas City.

“It’s a pure startup with nothing but blue skies ahead,” said McGannon, comparing the new NHL to an Internet venture.

You know what? I agree with McGannon.

When looking for a full-time tenant at the Sprint Center, we should focus our attention on the NHL over the NBA. Professional hockey in Kansas City makes far more sense than professional basketball.
I can do better than that. The new NHL makes more sense in Kansas City than does major-league baseball.

Everyone is beating up on the NHL right now. The sport was devastated by its seasonlong work stoppage. It doesn’t have a TV contract. It’s implemented a bunch of new rules designed to make the game more exciting. Jeremy Roenick, one of the league’s best players, told hockey fans to kiss his rear. I went to the league’s official Web site, NHL.com, and it looked second-class, like something a second-rate sports-talk radio station would put together.

You could argue that MLS is in better shape than the NHL.
You’d be wrong, but you could make the argument.

Hockey is going to rebound. It’s a great game, and now the NHL has the best economic system in professional sports. The NHL has a firm salary cap ($39 million), revenue sharing that will support nontraditional, small-market hockey cities and an economic structure that will spread the game’s best players around the league.

You won’t need a free-spending, billionaire owner to compete in the NHL. A penny-pincher like David Glass would have a chance to win in the NHL.

OK, that might be an exaggeration. Glass would put his son in charge of the operation, and KC’s hockey franchise would flip-flop between a youth movement and veteran club every two to three months.

I digress. The new NHL for the foreseeable future, particularly while the NHL tries to win back fans, will be very fan and family friendly. You won’t need a high-six-figures income to take your family to NHL games on a regular basis. Fans won’t get shaken down at the ticket booth just so owners can pay their superstars $15 million a year.

“Most teams have season-ticket packages around $400 or $500,” said McGannon, whose group, NHL 21, brings an NHL exhibition game to town once a year. “The Florida Panthers have seats as cheap as $7.”
Hey, look, I love the NBA. It would be easy for me to argue that Kansas City should do everything within its power to land an NBA franchise. I’m a member of the media and get a free seat down close. But I’m not sure if the average Kansas City sports fan will shell out $50 or $60 to see the KC Magic play 41 home basketball games. Now, $20 or $25 to see the KC Penguins and Sidney Crosby is very doable.

The Penguins are a prime candidate for relocation. Mario Lemieux’s franchise is in need of a new arena. The city of Pittsburgh has yet to step up. The Penguins’ lease runs out in 2007.

The other thing I like is that we could get in on the ground floor of the new NHL.

The sport is basically starting over. The new rules will significantly change the style of play. We could learn the game and its new stars together.

“They’re going to open up the ice and make it more fast-paced,” said Bob O’Leary, a diehard hockey fan who attended Saturday’s draft party. “It’ll be a lot better. And there’ll definitely be more highlights on ESPN.”
Take it from a lifelong basketball junkie, we’ll learn to love hockey.

ptlyon
08-01-2005, 10:43 AM
I went to the league’s official Web site, NHL.com, and it looked second-class, like something a second-rate sports-talk radio station would put together.


Now there's something that he should know an awful lot about.

Prison Bitch
01-31-2017, 12:47 PM
Brooklyn booting the Islanders from Barclays arena where they're drawing only 12k. Coming to a sprint center near you?

Dante84
01-31-2017, 12:52 PM
I wonder if we could do much better than averaging 12k/game

41 games of people driving to downtown for Hockey?

DaneMcCloud
01-31-2017, 12:54 PM
I wonder if we could do much better than averaging 12k/game

41 games of people driving to downtown for Hockey?

Light Rail from the suburbs to downtown would change everything.

alpha_omega
01-31-2017, 12:56 PM
Light Rail from the suburbs to downtown would change everything.

That is an excellent point.

CaliforniaChief
01-31-2017, 01:01 PM
It seems like such a pipe dream, but I would love to see KC get a hockey team. The NHL is fantastic, IMO.

I'm currently a Kings fan, but I'd switch in a heartbeat if they got a team.

Dante84
01-31-2017, 01:12 PM
Light Rail from the suburbs to downtown would change everything.

Is that happening?

I'm not up to speed on the local stuff anymore.

BigMeatballBillay
01-31-2017, 01:58 PM
Brooklyn booting the Islanders from Barclays arena where they're drawing only 12k. Coming to a sprint center near you?

KC will never get a NHL or NBA team

BigMeatballBillay
01-31-2017, 02:00 PM
Is that happening?

I'm not up to speed on the local stuff anymore.

No. They are trying to expand the train from downtown to brookside though.

ChiefsCountry
01-31-2017, 02:02 PM
Light Rail from the suburbs to downtown would change everything.

Kansas City isn't a public transportation type city.

Pasta Giant Meatball
01-31-2017, 02:02 PM
Brooklyn booting the Islanders from Barclays arena where they're drawing only 12k. Coming to a sprint center near you?

Lulz

bricks
01-31-2017, 03:12 PM
It seems like such a pipe dream, but I would love to see KC get a hockey team. The NHL is fantastic, IMO.

I'm currently a Kings fan, but I'd switch in a heartbeat if they got a team.

One of the best leagues there is right now.

I'm not only saying this because I'm Canadian, but from an economic standpoint, like the article was saying it

Rooster
01-31-2017, 03:16 PM
I'm impressed that Prison Bitch brought back a thread from 2005 with only two posts in it. :clap:

As far as hockey in KC is concerned, I'll believe it when I see it. I'll be a fan of whoever should move to Sprint but I'm not holding my breath.

bricks
01-31-2017, 03:20 PM
It seems like such a pipe dream, but I would love to see KC get a hockey team. The NHL is fantastic, IMO.

I'm currently a Kings fan, but I'd switch in a heartbeat if they got a team.

One of the best leagues there is right now.

I'm not only saying this because I'm Canadian, but from an economic standpoint, like the article was saying it enables the best players in the league to be spread out.

It's unlike the NBA where the best basketball players in the world gather together and sell themselves out to the best teams, thus making that team a "super team" which most likely translates into that "super team" winning championships and not giving the rest of the teams in the league a chance to compete for a championship. NBA Is so unfair and lacks parody. I stopped watching it for that reason.

If you don't have top players in the world in the NBA, your chances of winning a championship are significantly less. Whereas, in hockey you could have the top players in the world and still not win a Stanley Cup. That's why I like hockey more. There is more balance, distribution and parody.

*I think hockey would be great in Kansas City. I would even come down to watch a game if you guys happen to play my Leafs. Go Leafs go though:p

But seriously, you guys are one of the most passionate fan bases across North America. I sincerely mean that and it would make things more exciting.

Discuss Thrower
01-31-2017, 03:25 PM
The Whalers will reappear before KC gets an NHL team.

ptlyon
01-31-2017, 03:25 PM
I'm impressed that Prison Bitch brought back a thread from 2005 with only two posts in it. :clap:


And I was one of them :eek:

DaneMcCloud
01-31-2017, 03:33 PM
Kansas City isn't a public transportation type city.

But it should become a public transportation city.

Pitt Gorilla
01-31-2017, 03:36 PM
One of the best leagues there is right now.

I'm not only saying this because I'm Canadian, but from an economic standpoint, like the article was saying it enables the best players in the league to be spread out.

It's unlike the NBA where the best basketball players in the world gather together and sell themselves out to the best teams, thus making that team a "super team" which most likely translates into that "super team" winning championships and not giving the rest of the teams in the league a chance to compete for a championship. NBA Is so unfair and lacks parody. I stopped watching it for that reason.

If you don't have top players in the world in the NBA, your chances of winning a championship are significantly less. Whereas, in hockey you could have the top players in the world and still not win a Stanley Cup. That's why I like hockey more. There is more balance, distribution and parody.

*I think hockey would be great in Kansas City. I would even come down to watch a game if you guys happen to play my Leafs. Go Leafs go though:p

But seriously, you guys are one of the most passionate fan bases across North America. I sincerely mean that and it would make things more exciting.Parody of what?

C3HIEF3S
01-31-2017, 03:41 PM
It's a pipe dream, but if the city can sell out every game for poor-quality soccer, then I think it'd warm up to an NHL team quickly.

JCharles25
01-31-2017, 04:29 PM
Brooklyn booting the Islanders from Barclays arena where they're drawing only 12k. Coming to a sprint center near you?

Don't see the Isles moving out of Ny, personally.

A team that could potentially be on the move is Carolina, but I would say both Quebec and Seattle would be way ahead of KC on a relocation candidate list.

bricks
01-31-2017, 04:52 PM
Parody of what?

Oops my bad. I misspelled the term. I mean "parity" as in more equality with respect to winning a Stanley Cup.

Dante84
01-31-2017, 05:12 PM
It's a pipe dream, but if the city can sell out every game for poor-quality soccer, then I think it'd warm up to an NHL team quickly.

True, although - there's only ~17 home games for MLS, and the stadium is out near JoCo where it's very easy to get to and park.

40+ home games downtown could be tough in KC, where no one really lives nearby and the parking is kind of shitty.

Combine that with fans being interested in college basketball & football, NFL, MLS, and MLB, and there's a lot of competition for ticket purchases.

Who knows, though. I'd love another team to root for and watch on TV.

alpha_omega
01-31-2017, 05:26 PM
Mavericks is a good time (although it obviously isn't NHL)

Best22
01-31-2017, 05:31 PM
If people want to go to the game, they'll go to the game. Doesn't matter where it is

Dayze
01-31-2017, 05:35 PM
Mavericks is a good time (although it obviously isn't NHL)

I had a blast at the one and only game we went to. I think tickets were something super cheap, like $13 or $23...something like that. I went to gt a beer, and a big ol cup of beer was like $4 if I recall. Maybe $5.

I really enjoyed it, and this coming from someone who knows fuck all about hockey, rules, strategy etc.

and afterwards, they had 3 or 4 guys from the team outsdie the locker room signing autographs for a pretty long line of people.
We bought my nephew, who was like 6 or 7 at the time a miniature hockey stick just so we'd have something 'signed' for him. Great experience.

JCharles25
01-31-2017, 06:04 PM
As someone who is a BIG hockey fan (I know WAY more about the NhL than NFL) I think hockey in Kc would be pretty cool. Would definitely keep tabs on them as a second team.

-King-
01-31-2017, 06:08 PM
One of the best leagues there is right now.

I'm not only saying this because I'm Canadian, but from an economic standpoint, like the article was saying it
The article is from 2005 lol.

NBA absolutely demolishes the NHL in basically every metric. Attendance, TV viewership and ratings, star power, stability, marketing etc. NBA would be the better league for the city but I wouldn't complain either way
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GloryDayz
01-31-2017, 06:09 PM
Sign me up... I'll be a STH from day-1... And it's not like we don't already have a connection - and it involves a Hunt too :thumb: . But that would prolly work against us.

BWillie
01-31-2017, 08:23 PM
I wonder if we could do much better than averaging 12k/game

41 games of people driving to downtown for Hockey?

I don't understand what is inconvenient about downtown. Whenever i go to an event there i get in just as fast or faster compared to parking in that cluster**** Kaufman or Arrowhead parking lot. As long as you accept you have to park 4 blocks away and walk its reasonable fast. I don't think KC is set up geographically to support a light rail system at a reasonable price tag

redhed
01-31-2017, 08:30 PM
KC is not getting an NHL team. :bong:

ChiefsCountry
01-31-2017, 08:40 PM
But it should become a public transportation city.

Why should it? KC has a great interstate road system.

KCUnited
01-31-2017, 08:47 PM
KC, come for the bbq, stay for the interstates.

C3HIEF3S
01-31-2017, 08:58 PM
True, although - there's only ~17 home games for MLS, and the stadium is out near JoCo where it's very easy to get to and park.

40+ home games downtown could be tough in KC, where no one really lives nearby and the parking is kind of shitty.

Combine that with fans being interested in college basketball & football, NFL, MLS, and MLB, and there's a lot of competition for ticket purchases.

Who knows, though. I'd love another team to root for and watch on TV.

You're right. Hockey is going in the right direction right now in the KC area, but even with the progress the fan base for it probably isn't quite there yet. Soccer is the easiest and cheapest sporst for a kid to get into IMO, while hockey is one of the hardest and by far one of the most expensive. I wish it'd work out for an NHL team or NBA team, give this city literally any positive reason to cheer for a team and they'll come full force as we saw with the Royals and the turnaround for Sporting KC.

Dante84
01-31-2017, 09:01 PM
I don't understand what is inconvenient about downtown. Whenever i go to an event there i get in just as fast or faster compared to parking in that cluster**** Kaufman or Arrowhead parking lot. As long as you accept you have to park 4 blocks away and walk its reasonable fast. I don't think KC is set up geographically to support a light rail system at a reasonable price tag

2 things -

If its a full Sprint center, it can be a bitch. Not Truman Sports Complex bitch, but still a bitch.

Also, depending upon the part of downtown, it can be a bit sketchy after dark if you step outside of the 6x6 block area.

Dante84
01-31-2017, 09:06 PM
Why should it? KC has a great interstate road system.

For people who hate traffic, don't have cars, planning on drinking.

Most cities with entertainment districts have some sort of transit like this.

KC_Lee
01-31-2017, 09:16 PM
For people who hate traffic, don't have cars, planning on drinking.

Most cities with entertainment districts have some sort of transit like this.

Hi from Nashville, home to total crap interstate system, outdated infrastructure that cannot handle our recent population boom, minimal mass transit and a hopping downtown entertainment district that includes a downtown stadium that has an NHL team.

Bearcat
01-31-2017, 09:33 PM
There was an article that came out around the time of this one that showed KC would be the most thinly stretched in terms of disposable income if they had a 3rd major sports team to support (IIRC, Denver and Pittsburgh were at/near the top). And as far as I know, Sprint Center does really well without a major pro team. It would be interesting to figure out how much more money has been spent on the Royals and Chiefs in the past few years compared to 2005.

The NHL does really well at the gate, generally half the league is at 100% attendance and another handful are over 95%... not sure KC would hit that mark 41 times per season, then possibly 3 or 4 playoff games per round, but probably wouldn't do any worse than the bottom of the league, either.

I've personally never had any issues getting into/out of downtown for stuff at Sprint Center, but I also never park in the garages that are next door, so I don't have to wait for 15,000 people to walk by the exit of the garage.

Dante84
01-31-2017, 09:35 PM
Hi from Nashville, home to total crap interstate system, outdated infrastructure that cannot handle our recent population boom, minimal mass transit and a hopping downtown entertainment district that includes a downtown stadium that has an NHL team.

I don't know much about Nashville, never been, but I heard its very similar to Austin, where I live.

If that's true, then there's a ton of people in their 20's and 30's, early 40's that live in or near downtown. Is that correct, or is it mostly suburbs like KC?

ChiefsCountry
01-31-2017, 09:38 PM
There was an article that came out around the time of this one that showed KC would be the most thinly stretched in terms of disposable income if they had a 3rd major sports team to support (IIRC, Denver and Pittsburgh were at/near the top). And as far as I know, Sprint Center does really well without a major pro team. It would be interesting to figure out how much more money has been spent on the Royals and Chiefs in the past few years compared to 2005.

The NHL does really well at the gate, generally half the league is at 100% attendance and another handful are over 95%... not sure KC would hit that mark 41 times per season, then possibly 3 or 4 playoff games per round, but probably wouldn't do any worse than the bottom of the league, either.

I've personally never had any issues getting into/out of downtown for stuff at Sprint Center, but I also never park in the garages that are next door, so I don't have to wait for 15,000 people to walk by the exit of the garage.

Average sold out concert I have been to, its a 15 minute wait to get out of the garages. Only once it took me longer than. Easier than the Sports Complex thats for sure.

Prison Bitch
01-31-2017, 09:39 PM
We gotta keep the name islanders. It's a sports tradition keeping dumb mascots having nothing to Do with your area, Utah Jazz!

Bearcat
01-31-2017, 09:43 PM
Average sold out concert I have been to, its a 15 minute wait to get out of the garages. Only once it took me longer than. Easier than the Sports Complex thats for sure.

Nice... I pretty much always park on the street, maybe a 2 or 3 minute walk to the car once I'm outside. And if there was any reason to believe traffic would suck, at least there are far better and far more options than Denny's and Taco Bell (well, and getting even more shit faced in the parking lot, I suppose).

Bearcat
01-31-2017, 09:44 PM
We gotta keep the name islanders. It's a sports tradition keeping dumb mascots having nothing to Do with your area, Utah Jazz!

The Inlanders.

Prison Bitch
01-31-2017, 10:22 PM
The Inlanders.

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KC_Lee
01-31-2017, 10:48 PM
I don't know much about Nashville, never been, but I heard its very similar to Austin, where I live.

If that's true, then there's a ton of people in their 20's and 30's, early 40's that live in or near downtown. Is that correct, or is it mostly suburbs like KC?

You're correct. Most of the boom in Nashville has been close (within 5 - 10 miles) of downtown. It's a bit of an issue with folks that live outside of the "hot" areas like myself. City / County services (Nashville & Davidson County are incorporated) go to these hot areas and other areas get neglected.

My point was a counter to yours regarding entertainment districts and transit. I live in a tourist town with the same attraction(s) as your home town of Austin. Any transit into downtown is provided to visitors in the form of shuttles provided by hotels. There is little in the way of transit for locals to get to downtown except of their own cars.

So if I want to see a Pred's game it's up to me to provide transport and stay sober. Of course parking is a whole separate kettle of wahoo. An NHL or NBA team in KC would work.

Pasta Giant Meatball
02-01-2017, 06:30 AM
KC is probably like 5th on the list to get a team, dad bod

jspchief
02-01-2017, 07:26 AM
NBA needs contraction. 5-10 fewer teams would greatly improve the game.

I don't know what the talent level is the NHL, but the same is probably true. Fewer teams makes a better product.

Pasta Giant Meatball
02-01-2017, 07:28 AM
NBA needs contraction. 5-10 fewer teams would greatly improve the game.

I don't know what the talent level is the NHL, but the same is probably true. Fewer teams makes a better product.

Half the league makes the playoffs, the other half is ABSOLUTE garbage...so you are probably right.

CaliforniaChief
02-01-2017, 08:15 AM
Oh I would place KC's odds of actually landing an NHL team at <1%, but it would be awesome.

New World Order
02-01-2017, 08:24 AM
I'm too scared to go downtown.

BigMeatballBillay
02-01-2017, 08:31 AM
We gotta keep the name islanders. It's a sports tradition keeping dumb mascots having nothing to Do with your area, Utah Jazz!

Well need to dump fat sly james and get a mayor who's interested in helpingetting drive interest in a new franchise.

Strongside
02-01-2017, 09:54 AM
I'm too scared to go downtown.

This sentiment is so outlandish to me. I lived down there for 5 years (just moved recently). Never had a break in, never robbed, never had my car stolen, never had a run-in with anyone or was I ever assaulted. I heard gunshots ONCE. Is there crime down there sometimes? Sure, but the vast majority of assault charges issued downtown are dipshit Johnson County kids getting into fights at the PBR bar.

The stigma that KC's downtown is unsafe is a remnant from days past. It's one of the safest, if not the safest, downtown areas I've lived in or visited. Go drive through downtown at about 9PM on any night of the week. You'll see young women walking their dogs alone, making ChiefsPlanet member New World Order look like a huge pussy.

CaliforniaChief
02-01-2017, 11:40 AM
Having a major tenant changes the whole dynamic of a downtown. When Staples Center was built with the teams moving in there, everything around there changed. Yeah, there's still an element of crap around, but I'm perfectly fine walking around the area at night with my kids.

That's downtown Los Angeles. You're talking about Kansas City???

carcosa
02-01-2017, 11:44 AM
I'm too scared to go downtown.

lol

Valiant
02-01-2017, 12:02 PM
KC will only get mentioned so a team gets a new arena elsewhere.

Predarat
02-01-2017, 12:18 PM
It would be cool if KC could get an NHL team. If not I am hearing rumors the STL is going to move their AHL (AAA) team to the Sprint Center. They say they are going to try to keep the Mavericks too, not sure if that will work out. Might hamper both teams.

GloryDayz
02-01-2017, 01:43 PM
Oh I would place KC's odds of actually landing an NHL team at <1%, but it would be awesome.

The Sprint Center is more often used by other teams as a threat to get their current host cities to give them the deal they're demanding. Perhaps one day a city will call their bluff. If that happens, we (KC) might have a chance.