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cmh6476
08-01-2005, 10:48 AM
i'm not talking about Viagra either! (http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=139851)

BCD
08-01-2005, 10:51 AM
If this is true, he'll probably just retire...

ENDelt260
08-01-2005, 10:52 AM
Palmeiro suspended for steroids policy violation
By Hal Bodley, USA TODAY
Baltimore Orioles first baseman Rafael Palmeiro, who testified before Congress on March 17 that he'd never used steroids, was suspended by Commissioner Bud Selig on Monday for 10 games for violating baseball's steroids policy. (Related video: Palmeiro testifies before Congress)

Rafael Palmeiro is one of four players to amass 3,000 career hits and 500 career home runs.
By Elaine Thompson, AP

The announcement was made prior to the Orioles 12:35 p.m. ET game at Camden Yards against the Chicago White Sox.

Palmeiro, whose 567 career home runs and 3,018 hits make him a leading candidate for the Hall of Fame five years after he retires, immediately appealed the disciplinary action.

Palmeiro, who passed 3,000 hits this season, is the seventh major leaguer suspended under baseball's new drug program that became effective in March. He by far has the highest profile of any of the previous players disciplined.

Palmeiro during the highly publicized March 17 hearing on steroids conducted by the House of Representatives Government Reform Committee said, under oath, he'd never used steroids even though former Texas Rangers teammate Jose Canseco said otherwise in his book, Juiced.

Palmeiro's statement: "Good morning, Mr. Chairman and members of the committee. My name is Rafael Palmeiro and I am a professional baseball player. I'll be brief in my remarks today. Let me start by telling you this: I have never used steroids. Period. I don't know how to say it any more clearly than that. Never. The reference to me in Mr. Canseco's book is absolutely false. I am against the use of steroids. I don't think athletes should use steroids and I don't think our kids should use them. That point of view is one, unfortunately, that is not shared by our former colleague, Jose Canseco. Mr. Canseco is an unashamed advocate for increased steroid use by all athletes."

Palmeiro, 40, signed a one-year contract with the Orioles for 2004 that paid him $4.15 million. The Orioles exercised an option for 2005 at $3 million.

Unless reversed, the suspension will cost Palmeiro $165,746.

In 103 games this season Palmeiro is batting .280, with 18 homers and 59 runs batted in. Palmeiro had one hit in the Orioles' 9-4 loss to the White Sox in Sunday night's nationally televised game.

When he collected his 3,000th hit on July 15 off Seattle's Joel Pineiro, Palmeiro joined Hank Aaron, Willie Mays and Eddie Murray as the only players in baseball history with at least 3,000 hits and 500 home runs.

Saturday, during a press conference in Cooperstown, N.Y., new members Wade Boggs and Ryne Sandberg both said Palmiero should and will be inducted into the Hall of Fame.


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/orioles/2005-08-01-palmeiro-suspension_x.htm

BIG_DADDY
08-01-2005, 10:53 AM
Who cares?

WilliamTheIrish
08-01-2005, 10:54 AM
Good bye HOF.

Dave Lane
08-01-2005, 10:55 AM
Damn roiders! *((**^*&%#$%$#(

Oh wait a minute I thought they said r aiders.

Dave

cmh6476
08-01-2005, 10:55 AM
You almost wonder if he and guys like Benito started using them later in their career, to keep up with the younger guys.

or, if they've been on the juice from day 1.

BIG_DADDY
08-01-2005, 11:00 AM
What cracks me up is people giving roids the credit for all the performance. There were a boat load of people on the Planet all over Giambi bacause he started slow this season saying his career was over and the only reason he was ever any good was because of the roids. Now 20 lbs lighter leading the MLB is on base percentage nobody has shit to say.

chagrin
08-01-2005, 11:05 AM
Good point Daddy, but some of them roids can really increase their performances...case by case basis I suppose, but damn! Raph getting busted after testifying in congress and looking clean, is just bad, very bad.

Deberg_1990
08-01-2005, 11:10 AM
You almost wonder if he and guys like Benito started using them later in their career, to keep up with the younger guys.

or, if they've been on the juice from day 1.

what a fraud this guy is.It appears that Canseco was right about this turd from what he wrote in his book. Ill admit, i didnt have a problem before with him entering the hall of fame, but after this.............no way.

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-01-2005, 11:12 AM
Ad Palmiero to the ever-growing list of major league morons.

cmh6476
08-01-2005, 11:12 AM
what a fraud this guy is.It appears that Canseco was right about this turd from what he wrote in his book. Ill admit, i didnt have a problem before with him entering the hall of fame, but after this.............no way.
I was at a game in KC right after he started doing the viagra commercials. He got up to bat, and I stood up and yelled as loud as I could, "WWOOOODDDYYYY!!!!!"


He just kinda gave me an evil stare :p

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-01-2005, 11:13 AM
I was at a game in KC right after he started doing the viagra commercials. He got up to bat, and I stood up and yelled as loud as I could, "WWOOOODDDYYYY!!!!!"


He just kinda gave me an evil stare :p
ROFL

siberian khatru
08-01-2005, 11:15 AM
He just kinda gave me an evil stare :p

Roid rage.

dirk digler
08-01-2005, 11:15 AM
what a fraud this guy is.It appears that Canseco was right about this turd from what he wrote in his book. Ill admit, i didnt have a problem before with him entering the hall of fame, but after this.............no way.

Yep total hypocrite.

cmh6476
08-01-2005, 11:16 AM
Roid rage.
no doubt! :)

chagrin
08-01-2005, 11:18 AM
the human tripod

Braincase
08-01-2005, 11:21 AM
Now we know why he needs the Viagra.

BigRedChief
08-01-2005, 11:24 AM
From an espn.com article
"I have never intentionally used steroids. Never. Ever. Period," he said. "Ultimately, although I never intentionally put a banned substance into my body, the independent arbitrator ruled that I had to be suspended under the terms of the program."

See its the independent arbitrator's fault. The terms of the programs fault.

ENDelt260
08-01-2005, 11:26 AM
From an espn.com article
"I have never intentionally used steroids. Never. Ever. Period," he said. "Ultimately, although I never intentionally put a banned substance into my body, the independent arbitrator ruled that I had to be suspended under the terms of the program."

See its the independent arbitrator's fault. The terms of the programs fault.
And the word "intentionally" appears.

I'm sure he thought it was insulin.

Deberg_1990
08-01-2005, 11:28 AM
And the word "intentionally" appears.

I'm sure he thought it was insulin.


Ahhh...The Barry Bonds cop out now.....nice!

chagrin
08-01-2005, 11:51 AM
as the drug dealer forced his hand into my car and injected the meth in my arm, I had no idea he was tyring to get me in trouble, seriously! and I had no idea this was the "bad" part of town either!

BIG_DADDY
08-01-2005, 11:56 AM
Now we know why he needs the Viagra.

Anybody on roids doesn't need Viagra. It makes your dick act like it did when you were 16 years old in high school.

tk13
08-01-2005, 11:56 AM
I think that's pretty funny considering after the steroids hearings all the ESPN talking heads were like "Boo, boo on McGwire, Yay, yay for Palmeiro, he proved he was clean because he said he was." Yeah....

Saulbadguy
08-01-2005, 11:58 AM
Good bye HOF.
I don't know if he'd make the HOF anyways. Good numbers, consistent, but was never even voted to an All star game, ever.

Uatu
08-01-2005, 12:00 PM
uhhh... I thought it was flaxseed oil... uhh...

By the way, if roids don't affect hitters, or it only gives them an extra foot or two on a 400 foot home run like people have tried to tell me, then why do athletes use them given the risks? Honest question.

Amnorix
08-01-2005, 12:01 PM
:Lin:

BigRedChief
08-01-2005, 12:14 PM
uhhh... I thought it was flaxseed oil... uhh...

By the way, if roids don't affect hitters, or it only gives them an extra foot or two on a 400 foot home run like people have tried to tell me, then why do athletes use them given the risks? Honest question.

Major benefit is too help recover from minor injuries quicker. Build up muscle quicker. Provise more stamina for the long season.

Amnorix
08-01-2005, 12:19 PM
uhhh... I thought it was flaxseed oil... uhh...

By the way, if roids don't affect hitters, or it only gives them an extra foot or two on a 400 foot home run like people have tried to tell me, then why do athletes use them given the risks? Honest question.

'roids does NOT affect hand-eye coordination, which is the key skill for hitting. It also isn't a miracle drug in that you still have to work out, etc., -- it's just that you'll get a much bigger benefit from working out.

It will improve overall muscle mass, which means you're stronger, so you can generate more bat speed. Bat speed is HUGE for generating power.

Also, as Ali said, it also improves stamina and the speed at which you recover from injuries, etc.

So yeah, they won't allow you to HIT the ball, but you can hit it farther, and you can play more often, etc., with 'roids.

ChiTown
08-01-2005, 12:21 PM
I don't know if he'd make the HOF anyways. Good numbers, consistent, but was never even voted to an All star game, ever.

That won't have any bearing on whether he makes it or not. Getting voted in by the Fans is more or less part of a popularity contest - not necessarily the best players. That said, he still has 4 All Star game appearances.

His first problem was that he played on lots of mediocre teams. His second problem is that, despite the 500+ homer's, he's got pretty slim OBP% and SLG% numbers. His last problem will be the most recent news.

tk13
08-01-2005, 12:24 PM
I don't know if he'd make the HOF anyways. Good numbers, consistent, but was never even voted to an All star game, ever.
He's definitely a HOF'er. Just because he's not as popular with the fans doesn't mean his numbers aren't more than HOF worthy. I don't think it's even a close call.

beavis
08-01-2005, 12:29 PM
He's definitely a HOF'er. Just because he's not as popular with the fans doesn't mean his numbers aren't more than HOF worthy. I don't think it's even a close call.
I can't remember who it was, but someone on the radio the other day was saying his lack of an MVP award, or even getting close to one would hurt him. In any other era, I think he'd be a cinch with his numbers as well. But given the juiced ball era of the 90's, I still think it's a close call.

Uatu
08-01-2005, 12:42 PM
Only 6 players in history with both 500 home runs and 3,000 hits. If they don't let him in the Hall there shouldn't be one. (before he was juicing I would have said that anyway)

fan4ever
08-01-2005, 12:56 PM
Good point Daddy, but some of them roids can really increase their performances...case by case basis I suppose, but damn! Raph getting busted after testifying in congress and looking clean, is just bad, very bad.

At the very least, it makes him look like lying tool. He was absolutely indignant during his testimony; Canseco has to be laughing his ass off.

tk13
08-01-2005, 01:04 PM
I can't remember who it was, but someone on the radio the other day was saying his lack of an MVP award, or even getting close to one would hurt him. In any other era, I think he'd be a cinch with his numbers as well. But given the juiced ball era of the 90's, I still think it's a close call.
Yeah I think it'll be a close call too. I meant to say that in my opinion, it shouldn't be a close call. He was just never "popular" enough with either writers or fans though, I think that's what kills him. 3000 hits, probably going to have over 600 homers, 3 gold gloves. He's gotta be a lock.

Ari Chi3fs
08-01-2005, 01:06 PM
so, since he lied under oath to Congress... will he get jailtime? Congress is chomping at the bit, to own them some professional athletes... Steroids issue is more important than Al Queda it seems.

Uatu
08-01-2005, 01:16 PM
so, since he lied under oath to Congress... will he get jailtime?

I'm sure he'll be ok, if it worked for a president then it should work for a baseball player too.

chagrin
08-01-2005, 01:18 PM
Yeah I think it'll be a close call too. I meant to say that in my opinion, it shouldn't be a close call. He was just never "popular" enough with either writers or fans though, I think that's what kills him. 3000 hits, probably going to have over 600 homers, 3 gold gloves. He's gotta be a lock.


Disclaimer - if he wasn't doing steroids - all things being equal, etc...


Only in Baseball, could a guy do something that 5 others (or 4, whatever) have done in the game's history and not be a no brainer, lock for the hall of fame of the sport. That's just silly

cmh6476
08-01-2005, 01:43 PM
He's definitely a HOF'er. Just because he's not as popular with the fans doesn't mean his numbers aren't more than HOF worthy. I don't think it's even a close call.
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BigRedChief
08-01-2005, 01:45 PM
I'm sure he'll be ok, if it worked for a president then it should work for a baseball player too.
I'd like to work on her now.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38300000/jpg/_38300081_lewinsky.jpg

Saulbadguy
08-01-2005, 01:51 PM
He's definitely a HOF'er. Just because he's not as popular with the fans doesn't mean his numbers aren't more than HOF worthy. I don't think it's even a close call.
His numbers just indicate that he has played for a long time, and has always been consistent. Nothing breakthrough.

tk13
08-01-2005, 02:39 PM
His numbers just indicate that he has played for a long time, and has always been consistent. Nothing breakthrough.
I've never liked that "He shouldn't be in the HOF just because he played for a long time" argument, it's not like it's easy to play for 20 years and put up "consistent numbers", or everybody would do it.

Hank Aaron played for a long time, and was just consistent, nothing real spectacular, and he put up maybe the greatest numbers of any player in the history of baseball. I hate to make that comparison, he's not Hank Aaron, but there are similiarities. Aaron played for a long time, hit more than 45 homers just once, won three gold gloves, only one MVP award in 23 years.

chagrin
08-01-2005, 02:44 PM
I've never liked that "He shouldn't be in the HOF just because he played for a long time" argument, it's not like it's easy to play for 20 years and put up "consistent numbers", or everybody would do it.

Hank Aaron played for a long time, and was just consistent, nothing real spectacular, and he put up maybe the greatest numbers of any player in the history of baseball. I hate to make that comparison, he's not Hank Aaron, but there are similiarities. Aaron played for a long time, hit more than 45 homers just once, won three gold gloves, only one MVP award in 23 years.


Well played King

gblowfish
08-01-2005, 02:58 PM
I was at a game in KC right after he started doing the viagra commercials. He got up to bat, and I stood up and yelled as loud as I could, "WWOOOODDDYYYY!!!!!"


He just kinda gave me an evil stare :pThe other night Bob Costas was on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart. He said since becoming the Viagra spokeman, Palmiero's been gettin good wood on everything!

Bob Costas is hilarious. He ought to be the Commish of Baseball.

Douche Baggins
08-01-2005, 03:01 PM
I knew Raffy was lying the moment the words came out of his mouth. You don't go from a singles hitter to a power hitter overnight without some outside help.

Pathetic. He was one of my favorite players. I'm going to throw away my 500th HR pin when I get home. **** you, Rafael Palmeiro.

At least I know my hero Juando isn't on roids. ROFL

beavis
08-01-2005, 03:07 PM
Disclaimer - if he wasn't doing steroids - all things being equal, etc...


Only in Baseball, could a guy do something that 5 others (or 4, whatever) have done in the game's history and not be a no brainer, lock for the hall of fame of the sport. That's just silly
I think your mistake is in assuming that baseball does anything that makes sense.

chagrin
08-01-2005, 03:08 PM
too true, too true

Uatu
08-01-2005, 03:13 PM
You don't go from a singles hitter to a power hitter overnight without some outside help.

When did he do that?

Year HR
+-----+--
1986 3
1987 14
1988 8
1989 8
1990 14
1991 26
1992 22
1993 37
1994 23
1995 39
1996 39
1997 38
1998 43
1999 47
2000 39
2001 47
2002 43
2003 38
2004 23
+-----+--

Douche Baggins
08-01-2005, 03:15 PM
When did he do that?

Year HR
+-----+--
1986 3
1987 14
1988 8
1989 8
1990 14
1991 26
1992 22
1993 37
1994 23
1995 39
1996 39
1997 38
1998 43
1999 47
2000 39
2001 47
2002 43
2003 38
2004 23
+-----+--


90 and 91.

whoman69
08-01-2005, 03:20 PM
He only used it to recover from the Viagra

Uatu
08-01-2005, 03:32 PM
90 and 91.

"becoming a power hitter over night" = going up 18 home runs over the space of 2 years huh?

Coach
08-02-2005, 10:18 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/03/sports/b...html?oref=login (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/03/sports/baseball/03steroids.html?oref=login)

So says this NY Times article (registration reguired):

The positive drug test that has left Rafael Palmeiro's legacy in doubt involved the potent anabolic steroid stanozolol, a person in baseball with direct knowledge of the sport's drug-testing program said yesterday.

Stanozolol, known by its brand name, Winstrol, was most notably linked to the Olympic sprinter Ben Johnson of Canada, who was stripped of a gold medal in 1988 after testing positive for that steroid.

KCJake
08-02-2005, 10:32 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/03/sports/b...html?oref=login (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/03/sports/baseball/03steroids.html?oref=login)

So says this NY Times article (registration reguired):

No pro-hormone or "over the counter" supplement will cause a positive test for stanozolol, so there goes that defense. This guy is so busted. This is like getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar. Absolutely no defense.

500 +/- home runs
3000 hits
2 months left to his career...............

stupid
:shake:

BigRedChief
08-03-2005, 12:46 PM
ESPN.com has the story too:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2123113

WTF? You liar. You bastiage. Congress should go after your azz for lying.

BigRedChief
08-03-2005, 12:56 PM
No pro-hormone or "over the counter" supplement will cause a positive test for stanozolol, so there goes that defense. This guy is so busted. This is like getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar. Absolutely no defense.

500 +/- home runs
3000 hits
2 months left to his career...............

stupid
:shake:

Maybe thats exactly why he had a long career. Using steriods to help recover from minor injuries, be stronger physically at the end of the year. :cuss:

KC Dan
08-03-2005, 01:13 PM
ESPN.com has the story too:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2123113

WTF? You liar. You bastiage. Congress should go after your azz for lying.
They are! I heard on Foxnews that they asked the NFL for his testing records to see if he did it before he testified so they can get him for perjury. What a dumbazz!

BigRedChief
08-03-2005, 02:55 PM
yep. It's on espn now:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2123596

Congress wants his records and hes okay their release. But he tested positive after the testimony. So he'll avoid jail by saying he took the steriods after his testimony.

But when he got his 3000 hit he knew he had tested positive for steriods. Asswipe

jspchief
08-03-2005, 04:16 PM
Something is very fishy here.

New reports say he actually tested positive before he got his 3000th hit.

Why would MLB keep it under wraps until now?

BigRedChief
08-03-2005, 06:43 PM
Something is very fishy here.

New reports say he actually tested positive before he got his 3000th hit.

Why would MLB keep it under wraps until now?

He appealed the suspension. Remember his statement that the independent arbitrator had ruled against him.