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KChiefsQT
08-03-2005, 02:14 AM
Yeah...you heard me. There's so many...but I broke it down to a list of 15 and an other option.

luv
08-03-2005, 02:16 AM
Yeah...you heard me. There's so many...but I broke it down to a list of 15 and an other option.
I have a feeling this is going to remind me of the Greatest American Athlete thread. I can already tell you that the majority will probably say Ali.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-03-2005, 02:17 AM
#1 of all time is Michael Jordan. I don't even need to explain why. Best ever.

KChiefsQT
08-03-2005, 02:18 AM
I have a feeling this is going to remind me of the Greatest American Athlete thread. I can already tell you that the majority will probably say Ali.

Maybe their minds will change. Only time will tell, right?

Rudy lost the toss
08-03-2005, 02:18 AM
Jim Thorpe

Chiefs Pantalones
08-03-2005, 02:18 AM
Please take Tiger Woods and Jack N. off the list. Golfers aren't athletes.

Tribal Warfare
08-03-2005, 02:20 AM
Achilles son of Peleus

or

Cassius Clay AKA Muhammand Ali

Logical
08-03-2005, 02:20 AM
i had a difficult time between Muhammed Ali and Jim Brown. But Brown was a great multisport athlete prior to his NFL career so I had to go with him.

Logical
08-03-2005, 02:21 AM
Please take Tiger Woods and Jack N. off the list. Golfers aren't athletes.Tiger is definitely an athlete. Weight trained, superb runner, have you actually ever read about him. Now if you want to argue Golf is not an athletic sport that is a different issue.

KChiefsQT
08-03-2005, 02:23 AM
Please take Tiger Woods and Jack N. off the list. Golfers aren't athletes.

Thanks for the input but nah, I'm leaving them on the list. Although I don't think either compare to many of the others on the list, someone may disagree ..sooooo. so be it... :)

Reaper16
08-03-2005, 02:23 AM
I'm not seeing the obligatory Gaz option.

Tribal Warfare
08-03-2005, 02:24 AM
I'm surprised Mark Spits or Pavel Nerme isn't apart of this list either

KChiefsQT
08-03-2005, 02:25 AM
I'm not seeing the obligatory Gaz option.

If u wish... use Gaz as ur OTHER.

Tribal Warfare
08-03-2005, 02:26 AM
there is also Carl Lewis, Lance Armstrong, Alexander Korelin

KChiefsQT
08-03-2005, 02:27 AM
there is also Carl Lewis, Lance Armstrong, Alexander Korelin

Lance Armstrong is on the List.

Tribal Warfare
08-03-2005, 02:29 AM
Lance Armstrong is on the List.
I picked other, because there is many through the ages

luv
08-03-2005, 02:29 AM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=120082&highlight=Greatest American

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=120131&highlight=Greatest+American

At least you put options. Maybe the conversation will be a little more controlled.

tk13
08-03-2005, 02:30 AM
Jim Thorpe.

KChiefsQT
08-03-2005, 02:33 AM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=120082&highlight=Greatest American

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=120131&highlight=Greatest+American

At least you put options. Maybe the conversation will be a little more controlled.

Yikes....that was just a few days ago too... but I was on vacation so I wasn't aware of those!! Thanks though... :clap:

Tribal Warfare
08-03-2005, 02:34 AM
Micheal Johnson , and another is Don Hudson If you want to go with the greatest football player of all-time.

tk13
08-03-2005, 02:36 AM
Of course if you want to go with pure athlete, I'm sure many would say Bo Jackson...

Tribal Warfare
08-03-2005, 02:37 AM
Of course if you want to go with pure athlete, I'm sure many would say Bo Jackson...

Dan O'Brien

luv
08-03-2005, 02:37 AM
Of course if you want to go with pure athlete, I'm sure many would say Bo Jackson...
Bo knows sports.

luv
08-03-2005, 02:39 AM
Dan O'Brien
How many greatest are you gonna choose? Greatest usually refers to one above all others.

tk13
08-03-2005, 02:39 AM
Kim Jong-il. He once had 11 holes-in-one in a single round of golf.

KChiefsQT
08-03-2005, 02:41 AM
How many greatest are you gonna choose? Greatest usually refers to one above all others.

LMAO... I was thinking the same thing. :)

Rudy lost the toss
08-03-2005, 02:44 AM
others that should be considered (just throwing out names)
Jesse Owens
Dan Gable
Pele
Bo Jackson
Magic
bobby orr
Jim thorpe (my vote)

Tribal Warfare
08-03-2005, 02:45 AM
How many greatest are you gonna choose? Greatest usually refers to one above all others.

The point is there is so many great athletes, and for that fact their is more than one. For example the most intimadating and dominating greats is Alexander Korelin when Wrestling is concerned, greates track and field athlete is between Pavel Nerme or Carl Lewis

Tribal Warfare
08-03-2005, 02:47 AM
basketball's is concerned it is Bill Russell with out a doubt

Tribal Warfare
08-03-2005, 02:50 AM
forgot Soccer which is Peli

SoCalBronco
08-03-2005, 02:56 AM
Probably Thorpe. Maybe Jesse Owens though.

Prince22
08-03-2005, 03:00 AM
You're all wrong! ----------- It's Rich Scanlon

Tribal Warfare
08-03-2005, 03:03 AM
for female gymnastics its Natalia Comenche

Prince22
08-03-2005, 03:08 AM
1st Rajon Rondo
2nd Shagari Alleyne
3rd Michael Jordan

Ultra Peanut
08-03-2005, 04:20 AM
Jim Thorpe

stumppy
08-03-2005, 05:21 AM
Gotta be Jim Thorpe.

DaKCMan AP
08-03-2005, 06:30 AM
jim thorpe

Baby Lee
08-03-2005, 06:41 AM
Edson Arantes do Nascimento

1281 goals in 1363 matches

Friday December 17, 1999

Pele named NOC's top athlete

In claiming the award, Pele beat out a list of Olympic greats including Muhammad Ali and Carl Lewis. AP

LAUSANNE, Switzerland (AP) -- The world's National Olympics Committees have voted Brazilian soccer star Pele as No. 1 in their top five Athletes of the Century even though he's the only one of the five who didn't take part in the Olympics.

Behind Pele come Muhammad Ali, who won the Olympic light-heavyweight boxing title in 1960 before becoming a heavyweight megastar as a pro, Carl Lewis, who won nine athletics gold medals in four Games between 1984-96, basketball star Michael Jordan, who was among the United States "Dream Team" gold medalists in '92, and Mark Spitz, who won seven swimming titles at the '72 Games at Munich.

Baby Lee
08-03-2005, 06:45 AM
Peli
Natalia Comenche
The dangers of growing up in a lead paint house.

papasmurf
08-03-2005, 06:45 AM
Jim Thorpe or Bo Jackson.

UKMike
08-03-2005, 06:46 AM
Michael Johnson

Skip Towne
08-03-2005, 06:48 AM
The dangers of growing up in a lead paint house.
Yeah, brain damage.

Braincase
08-03-2005, 06:51 AM
The mark of the greatest athlete is simple - you win the decathlon in multiple Olympics. Run short, run long, rrun mid, run hurdles, jump high, jump long, and vault, throw spear, throw shot, throw discus.

With that criteria, the best in his day was Bob Matthias.

http://www.olympics.org.uk/Library/gallery/Discus.jpg

Dan O'Brien was the best American in recent years, but currently, the best athlete in the world is...




Roman Sebrle. Pictured hear as he snaps a javelin in two with his ass-muscles.

http://estaticos.elmundo.es/jjoo/2004/html/albums/fichas/roman_sebrle/roman_sebrle3.jpg

lawrenceRaider
08-03-2005, 06:53 AM
Bo has to be in any discusion of greatest ATHLETE of all time. Guy was the original freak.

Skip Towne
08-03-2005, 06:56 AM
Babe Didrikson

Baby Lee
08-03-2005, 07:01 AM
Bo has to be in any discusion of greatest ATHLETE of all time. Guy was the original freak.
That'd be my second choice.

Phobia
08-03-2005, 07:16 AM
Thorpe with honorable mention to Bo.

HemiEd
08-03-2005, 07:36 AM
Lance Armstrong

Phobia
08-03-2005, 07:41 AM
#1 of all time is Michael Jordan. I don't even need to explain why. Best ever.

Maybe you don't feel the need to explain to us, but maybe you could explain why to the Chicago Whitesox? If Jordan were the "greatest ATHLETE of all time", he'd have been able to beat out one of 100 or so professional outfielders.

Buster's Dad
08-03-2005, 07:46 AM
Jim Thorpe



The man could do just about anything in any sport

KCFalcon59
08-03-2005, 07:46 AM
Thorpe. I'd love to say Bo. If he wouldn't have hurt his hip we would be talking about him as the greatest ever.

Jenson71
08-03-2005, 08:09 AM
How cool that the greatest athletes of all time are all from 20th century United States...

Baby Lee
08-03-2005, 08:12 AM
How cool that the greatest athletes of all time are all from 20th century United States...
Brazil is not a state. ;)

alanm
08-03-2005, 08:14 AM
Jim Thorpe.
Yep, It's been generally regarded throughout the years that Jim Thorpe still reins supreme. :thumb:

Infidel Goat
08-03-2005, 09:01 AM
Nobody has voted for the right guy yet.

10.9 100 M dash time in high school
Pennsylvania State Champ in the 110 M Hurdles AND the shot put
24 foot broad jump
Big Eight Champ in the high jump

Bench pressed 500 lbs.

Offered a pro football contract by the Chiefs in 1966.

7'1" tall
275 lbs.

31,419 career points
100 points in one game
55 rebounds in one game
played in 79 complete games in one season

Professional caliber volleyball player

Ran the Honolulu Marathon and a 50 mile Canadian race (when he was 60 years old).

and possibly bedded 20,000 women.

I give you the greatest athlete:

http://www.skiff.tcu.edu/SkiffWeb101399/wilt06_lg_01.jpeg

--Infidel Goat

ROYC75
08-03-2005, 09:09 AM
Jim Brown followed by Jim Thorpe.........

You young'ns did get to see athletes with multiple talents, other than Bo Jackson.

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-03-2005, 09:12 AM
It's gotta be Jordan. BB players expend more energy than just about any other sport on a nightly basis have to be in tremendous shape. That plus the level he played at for the length of time he played makes him the obvious choice to me.

eazyb81
08-03-2005, 09:12 AM
I didn't bother to read through all of the replies, but this poll is worthless when you don't include Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Jim Brown OR Jim Thorpe. I would vote for any of these guys before I would vote for anyone on your list.

Having Lance Armstrong on here instead of any of these guys is laughable.

Nzoner
08-03-2005, 09:13 AM
Thorpe

ROYC75
08-03-2005, 09:15 AM
I didn't bother to read through all of the replies, but this poll is worthless when you don't include Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Jim Brown OR Jim Thorpe. I would vote for any of these guys before I would vote for anyone on your list.

Having Lance Armstrong on here instead of any of these guys is laughable.


Oh, Lance is deserving as mention here.........

I agree with Brown, Thorpe and Bo not listed........ Fug Sanders. I hate that prick.

eazyb81
08-03-2005, 09:20 AM
Oh, Lance is deserving as mention here.........

I agree with Brown, Thorpe and Bo not listed........ Fug Sanders. I hate that prick.

The poll is about the best ATHLETE, not who has the most stamina or who dominated their individual sport the most. I'm sorry, but Lance Armstrong is not anywhere near the same type of athlete as a guy like Jim Brown or Bo Jackson, guys who could probably dominate any sport they put their mind to.

Also, like him or hate him, Neon Deion was a stud of an athlete and was great in pro football and baseball. He had the fastest 40 time at the combines in history, until it was broken this year by Fabian Washington. The guy just defines the word "athlete".

Donger
08-03-2005, 09:25 AM
The poll is about the best ATHLETE, not who has the most stamina or who dominated their individual sport the most. I'm sorry, but Lance Armstrong is not anywhere near the same type of athlete as a guy like Jim Brown or Bo Jackson, guys who could probably dominate any sport they put their mind to.

Also, like him or hate him, Neon Deion was a stud of an athlete and was great in pro football and baseball. He had the fastest 40 time at the combines in history, until it was broken this year by Fabian Washington. The guy just defines the word "athlete".

Many people either don't know or have forgotten that Armstrong was a world-class triathlete as well. You, running and swimming as well as cycling.

ChiTown
08-03-2005, 09:30 AM
Jesse Owens.

Frankie
08-03-2005, 09:30 AM
Any Ant. So I voted "Other."

eazyb81
08-03-2005, 09:31 AM
Many people either don't know or have forgotten that Armstrong was a world-class triathlete as well. You, running and swimming as well as cycling.

I don't know about "world-class", I have only heard that he did very well as a kid and competed against kids the same age.

Again, Lance Armstrong has made a great career for himself, but if we are talking pure "athlete", I would put a lot of guys ahead of him.

stumppy
08-03-2005, 09:32 AM
ESPN.com: No limits (http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/features/00194728.html)


Find someone who can top that.

Donger
08-03-2005, 09:37 AM
I don't know about "world-class", I have only heard that he did very well as a kid and competed against kids the same age.

He actually competed against much older guys, and won.

Again, Lance Armstrong has made a great career for himself, but if we are talking pure "athlete", I would put a lot of guys ahead of him.

One entry found for athlete.
Main Entry: ath·lete
Pronunciation: 'ath-"lEt, ÷'a-th&-"lEt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin athleta, from Greek athlEtEs, from athlein to contend for a prize, from athlon prize, contest
: a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina

I don't know if winning arguably the most physically-challenging sporting event in the world seven times in a row makes Armstrong the greatest athlete ever, but it sure as h*ll puts him in the top 5.

Bowser
08-03-2005, 09:47 AM
Kim Jong-il. He once had 11 holes-in-one in a single round of golf.

F*CK YOU, HANS BRIX!! I'M BIZZY HERE...............

eazyb81
08-03-2005, 10:03 AM
I don't know if winning arguably the most physically-challenging sporting event in the world seven times in a row makes Armstrong the greatest athlete ever, but it sure as h*ll puts him in the top 5.

Yes, we all know that he won the Tour De France 7 times, but that just means he is a fantastic ENDURANCE athlete, not just a great overall athlete. I guess my definition of a great athlete is different then yours, I don't consider Lance Armstrong one of best athletes of our era.

Donger
08-03-2005, 10:08 AM
Yes, we all know that he won the Tour De France 7 times, but that just means he is a fantastic ENDURANCE athlete, not just a great overall athlete. I guess my definition of a great athlete is different then yours, I don't consider Lance Armstrong one of best athletes of our era.

It's not just about endurance. To win the Tour once, let alone seven times, requires tremendous power as well, and agility. Going down a mountain at 70 mph on two tires less than an inch across requires a certain amount of agility, not to mention tremendous courage.

So, by the definition I provided, I'd say that more than makes Armstrong a strong contender.

Out of curiosity, what is your definition?

eazyb81
08-03-2005, 10:22 AM
I guess I consider guys like Bo Jackson, Jim Thorpe, Jim Brown, and even Deion better athletes because I feel that they could excel at pretty much any athletic sport they put their mind to. I feel like if you put one of these guys and Lance Armstrong out to compete on a basketball court, or a tennis court, or a sand volleyball pit, etc., the aforementioned guys would be better at the sport right off the bat then Lance.

Now if they all had one year to train for this particular sport, then Lance would probably be comparable and may even be better at certain ones. However, when comparing pure, god-given, natural athletic ability, I think Lance falls just a bit short of the guys I named earlier. I'm not saying i'm right and you're wrong, but this is just my opinion.

Donger
08-03-2005, 10:30 AM
I guess I consider guys like Bo Jackson, Jim Thorpe, Jim Brown, and even Deion better athletes because I feel that they could excel at pretty much any athletic sport they put their mind to. I feel like if you put one of these guys and Lance Armstrong out to compete on a basketball court, or a tennis court, or a sand volleyball pit, etc., the aforementioned guys would be better at the sport right off the bat then Lance.

Based on what?

eazyb81
08-03-2005, 10:33 AM
Based on what?

What do you mean "based on what"? The four guys that I mentioned each have dominated at least two sports. All of them were either exceptionally fast, exceptionally strong, or both.

Donger
08-03-2005, 10:36 AM
What do you mean "based on what"? The four guys that I mentioned each have dominated at least two sports. All of them were either exceptionally fast, exceptionally strong, or both.

Just as Lance Armstrong is both very strong and very fast. So how did you reach the conclusion that if you were to take the fish out of the water and put them somewhere else, that the guys you mention would immediately be successful in comparison to Lance?

65 to Bust
08-03-2005, 10:38 AM
Thorpe

Ari Chi3fs
08-03-2005, 10:46 AM
jim thorpe.

Kerberos
08-03-2005, 10:48 AM
Percy Snow


:D


.

eazyb81
08-03-2005, 10:48 AM
Just as Lance Armstrong is both very strong and very fast. So how did you reach the conclusion that if you were to take the fish out of the water and put them somewhere else, that the guys you mention would immediately be successful in comparison to Lance?

I don't think Lance Armstrong is as naturally fast or naturally strong as either one of the guys I mentioned, I would bet the large majority of people would agree with me.

Bearcat2005
08-03-2005, 10:51 AM
When you say best Athlete I assume you mean best overall and I would say Jim Thorpe.

jidar1
08-03-2005, 10:53 AM
The only way you don't think it's Michael Jordan, is if you have absolutely no interest in basketball. I don't watch BBall anymore but when I did it was just obvious. In his prime the man was head and shoulders above everyone else, there will probably never be another player as dominant as Jordan was in any sport. Some people will mention Wilt, but wilt played when basketball was mostly white people. heh.
Honorable nods to Gretzky, Armstrong and Ali though.

Donger
08-03-2005, 10:54 AM
I don't think Lance Armstrong is as naturally fast or naturally strong as either one of the guys I mentioned, I would bet the large majority of people would agree with me.

On a football BB? Absolutely.

Like you said, it's a highly subjective question. As an endurance athlete and cyclist, I tend to view the athletic world through the criteria that make up that sport and discipline.

If the primary basis for determining who was/is the world's greatest athlete is the ability to dominate in various different sports, then obviously Armstrong is not at the top.

eazyb81
08-03-2005, 10:54 AM
The only way you don't think it's Michael Jordan, is if you have absolutely no interest in basketball. I don't watch BBall anymore but when I did it was just obvious. In his prime the man was head and shoulders above everyone else, there will probably never be another player as dominant as Jordan was in any sport. Some people will mention Wilt, but wilt played when basketball was mostly white people. heh.
Honorable nods to Gretzky and Ali though.

If MJ was the best athlete, why was he such a failure at baseball?

jidar1
08-03-2005, 10:55 AM
If MJ was the best athlete, why was he such a failure at baseball?

too tall for a good swing?
How many people are superstars in multiple sports?

Chief Henry
08-03-2005, 11:01 AM
Dan Gable....Wrestler

Go do a google search on this dude and you'll
become very impressed.

eazyb81
08-03-2005, 11:02 AM
too tall for a good swing?
How many people are superstars in multiple sports?

Just a few are, that's why they are considered some of the greatest athletes of all-time.

ROYC75
08-03-2005, 11:05 AM
Looks like it's a Thorpe , hard to argue against it.

Cept the modern day kiddies who is pimping ( I'm a bogey golfing basball playa that is good at basketball ) MJ.

jidar1
08-03-2005, 11:10 AM
Looks like it's a Thorpe , hard to argue against it.

Cept the modern day kiddies who is pimping ( I'm a boagie golfing basball playa that is good at basketball ) MJ.


washed up old bastards.

You're right though. I'll rescind my vote and instead say it's Steve Bartman.
He singlehandedly brought the Cubs to their knees.

milkman
08-03-2005, 11:11 AM
too tall for a good swing?
How many people are superstars in multiple sports?

I'm fairly sure that Dave Winfield was the same height as MJ.

ROYC75
08-03-2005, 11:14 AM
I'm fairly sure that Dave Winfield was the same height as MJ.


I think 6'6", or something like that.

Dave Kingman was tall ..........

milkman
08-03-2005, 11:14 AM
I'm fairly sure that Dave Winfield was the same height as MJ.

Yep, just googled both DW and MJ.

Both were 6"6" tall.

Demonpenz
08-03-2005, 11:16 AM
there has to be some old warrier in some tribe that was the best athlete of all time. Strenth to take down a elephant yet ran for days could jump over large puddles of water and impregnat woman from 4 or 5 tribes

Chief Chief
08-03-2005, 11:22 AM
How about Jim Thorpe?...

Why aren't there females on the list?...

Babe Didrickson, Jackie Joyner-Kersee, and Anika Sorenstam would be top choice...

But I can obviously understand why ya didn't put Cal "Mr. Ironman" Ripken, Jr., on the list...

tyton75
08-03-2005, 11:29 AM
Bo freaking Jackson

Goapics1
08-03-2005, 11:30 AM
#1 of all time is Michael Jordan. I don't even need to explain why. Best ever.
Exactly, nuff said.

ROYC75
08-03-2005, 11:34 AM
Yep, just googled both DW and MJ.

Both were 6"6" tall.

Honestly, I did not ..........

ROYC75
08-03-2005, 11:36 AM
MJ couldn't make a pimple on Thorpes ass.........

The only thing MJ could do was play basketball..... He was dominate at his position in his time, just like Wilt was, just like Russell was......

Oh, I forgot, MJ could retire more times and better than any other athlete.

milkman
08-03-2005, 11:38 AM
Honestly, I did not ..........

I believe you Roy. And I'm not being sarcastic.

I also was fairly certain of the height before I googled, but I wanted to be sure to be accurate when I did post the heights.

Baby Lee
08-03-2005, 11:42 AM
The problem with naming Thorpe, is that many of his accomplishments are in track and field, where the #s are concrete and have been surpassed by the march of progress.
If you want to make a case for him being the althete most dominant over his peers, maybe. Or a case for the most diverse abilities, maybe. But he can't be greatest athlete ever when his #s can be surpassed by HS kids of today.
I mean does anyone think he would dominate today's NFL like he did back then, or MLB, or that he'd outperform a Dan O'Brien in the decathalon?

buddha
08-03-2005, 11:47 AM
Jim Thorpe.

Thorpe was dominant in every sport he played, including football. If you learn more about him, you will probably change your mind.

Greatest athlete is very different from most dominant player in a sport. Gretzky would be the answer to that question.

ROYC75
08-03-2005, 12:01 PM
The problem with naming Thorpe, is that many of his accomplishments are in track and field, where the #s are concrete and have been surpassed by the march of progress.
If you want to make a case for him being the althete most dominant over his peers, maybe. Or a case for the most diverse abilities, maybe. But he can't be greatest athlete ever when his #s can be surpassed by HS kids of today.
I mean does anyone think he would dominate today's NFL like he did back then, or MLB, or that he'd outperform a Dan O'Brien in the decathalon?

Once must consider that in his time, where the structure of athletes have changed over time.

Athletes 40 - 60 years ago were slower than athletes of today.......

Anyone of our 4 current MLB's ( Pre Maz Injury ) are faster than Dick Butkis, but who was the better player / athlete ?

Baby Lee
08-03-2005, 12:04 PM
Once must consider that in his time, where the structure of athletes have changed over time.

Athletes 40 - 60 years ago were slower than athletes of today.......
But how can you be the GREATEST athlete of ALL TIME when you are objectively slower and weaker than other athletes?

I'm 1/2 Cherokee, and Thorpe's profile as a Native American icon is a source of pride, but I don't get saying someone is the greatest at something that has objective measurements that others surpass him in.
It's like saying Weissmueller was the greatest swimmer of all time, when HS girls beat his times nowadays.

MOhillbilly
08-03-2005, 12:07 PM
Jim Thorpe-1
Jack Johnson-2
Rocky Marciano-3
Jim Brown-4
Carl Lewis-5
Dr.J tied -5

RedDread
08-03-2005, 12:08 PM
I voted Ali, he must be the greatest!

Otter
08-03-2005, 12:10 PM
1. Michael Jordan
2. (tie) Joe Montana / Wayne Gretzky
.
.
.

MOhillbilly
08-03-2005, 12:10 PM
I mean does anyone think he would dominate today's NFL like he did back then, or MLB, or that he'd outperform a Dan O'Brien in the decathalon?
NO.
but givin the same advantages of todays athletes,yes.

ROYC75
08-03-2005, 12:13 PM
But how can you be the GREATEST athlete of ALL TIME when you are objectively slower and weaker than other athletes?

I'm 1/2 Cherokee, and Thorpe's profile as a Native American icon is a source of pride, but I don't get saying someone is the greatest at something that has objective measurements that others surpass him in.
It's like saying Weissmueller was the greatest swimmer of all time, when HS girls beat his times nowadays.


Well you know Johnny was, I've seen all of those movies ! :)

I understand what you are saying, I think it is only fair to keep athletes in their own era. Tiger Woods is a dominate force, better than Jack Nicklaus due to physical ability and technology of the clubs, but someday he will be surpassed by a younger person. Tiger has not passed Jack in terms of wins, but in time he will.

Somebody will come along and break records and people will proclaim them the greatest.........

From Ali to Tyson as with any sport, it's all passed along the lines in time.

Now if you want to debate records...... There are many records that will probally never be broken again......... 7 straight Tour DeFrance will probally never be reached again.

milkman
08-03-2005, 12:20 PM
I think it's relative to one's era.

Yes, Thorpe's numbers are surpassed by today's athlete's, and players are faster and bigger and stronger today.

But no one has excelled in as many athletic endeavors as Thorpe did in his era, before or since.

Baby Lee
08-03-2005, 12:26 PM
I think it's relative to one's era.
Then I nominate Goliath, who probably turns out to be a fat dude of about 6'2".

Brock
08-03-2005, 12:30 PM
Bo freaking Jackson

Yeah, probably.

Baby Lee
08-03-2005, 12:33 PM
I think it's relative to one's era.

Yes, Thorpe's numbers are surpassed by today's athlete's, and players are faster and bigger and stronger today.

But no one has excelled in as many athletic endeavors as Thorpe did in his era, before or since.
I just can't wrap my mind around it. Thorpe is the greatest athlete of all time, even though he was NOT the fastest, biggest, or strongest, BUT because his competition was vastly inferior overall?
Maybe if we'd had the foresight to relegate Bo Jackson to the Special Olympics, he'd be a demi-god by now.

BIG_DADDY
08-03-2005, 12:40 PM
A friggen BB player is not the greatest athlete of all time give me a break.

milkman
08-03-2005, 12:59 PM
I just can't wrap my mind around it. Thorpe is the greatest athlete of all time, even though he was NOT the fastest, biggest, or strongest, BUT because his competition was vastly inferior overall?
Maybe if we'd had the foresight to relegate Bo Jackson to the Special Olympics, he'd be a demi-god by now.

Yeah, I can see your point.
Based on this idea, the greatest athlete of all time would have to be whoever is the all time record holder in the pentathlon?

Is there another event that has more competitions?

I really can get behind this idea.

I can't get behind the idea of an athlete who has excelled in only a single sport.

Ari Chi3fs
08-03-2005, 01:32 PM
Mildred 'Babe' Didrikson Zaharias was voted the outstanding woman athlete of the century in a 1950 Associated Press poll. Though she gained her greatest professional fame as a golfer, she rivalled Jim Thorpe in her remarkable ability to excel at nearly any sport. She began as a basketball All-American, then won two track and field golds at the 1932 Olympics. Next she turned professional and began touring the country, exhibiting her prowess in track, swimming, tennis, baseball, and even billiards. In 1935 Zaharias took up golf and excelled at that, too, winning 82 tournaments in a 20-year career. She was only 42 when she died of cancer in 1956.

papasmurf
08-03-2005, 02:28 PM
other should be running away with this.

Infidel Goat
08-03-2005, 03:32 PM
Ali has 6 votes to Wilt's 4?

I think not . . .

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/SumoCartman/ali-wilt.jpg

--Infidel Goat

papasmurf
08-03-2005, 08:34 PM
bump: I am still pulling for other.

luv
08-03-2005, 08:37 PM
Tonya Harding

Logical
08-03-2005, 08:46 PM
It's gotta be Jordan. BB players expend more energy than just about any other sport on a nightly basis have to be in tremendous shape. That plus the level he played at for the length of time he played makes him the obvious choice to me.Even I know that for pure energy expenditure Soccer players trump basketball players and the people that do the Iron Man Triathlon top them all. Jordan may be the greatest BB player ever but even that is in question as convincing cases could be made for Chamberlain and Russell as well.

old_geezer
08-03-2005, 09:37 PM
Jesse Owens...............he even made Hitler look silly.

chefsos
08-03-2005, 09:39 PM
Tonya Harding


Is hubcap flinging a sport?

duncan_idaho
08-03-2005, 10:12 PM
Are we simply talking about pure God-given ability, or does achievement have to be considered, too?

From everything I've read, every person who saw Mickey Mantle before he tore up his knee on that storm drain said he was the most amazing athlete they'd seen (even better than Mays).

Phobia
08-03-2005, 10:17 PM
But how can you be the GREATEST athlete of ALL TIME when you are objectively slower and weaker than other athletes?

I'm 1/2 Cherokee, and Thorpe's profile as a Native American icon is a source of pride, but I don't get saying someone is the greatest at something that has objective measurements that others surpass him in.

It's still subjective. Put Thorpe in a pair of Nike spikes, on a modern track, having trained with modern training techniques and he'd still be dominant. I'm not sure people are being bred faster, I just think our capabilities are better given the big business that athletic facilities/gear is now....

Frankie
08-04-2005, 08:55 AM
Pele anyone?

MOhillbilly
08-04-2005, 09:00 AM
Pele anyone?

yeah i thought about that after id made my list.

chagrin
08-04-2005, 09:10 AM
Gotta give the nod to Lance, when I think of "athlete" I think of endurance. Being a cancer survivor myself I cannot understand how he recovered so quickly and regained his strength, other than focus and endurance. Winning that tour 7 times, constant cycling over that much ground is too much to not be considered top Athlete. I could go on and on but he gets my vote.

C-Mac
08-04-2005, 09:14 AM
Bo Jackson
He is one of very few, if any, that actually excelled and was at the top of 2 different sports

Rain Man
08-04-2005, 09:41 AM
The best athlete is the one that would place best if we threw them all together and had them all compete against each other in all sports.

In that instance, someone like Lance Armstrong would get broken in two. We already know that Jordan can't play baseball, and I have a lot of trouble envisioning Montana playing under the basket.

The best athlete is therefore someone who has shown that they can compete at a high level in many sports, which would be Jim Thorpe. He was a one-man track team, he played pro baseball, he played pro football, and he owns (owned) Olympic medals.

chagrin
08-04-2005, 09:46 AM
Well put. ya old fart

(Thorpe was a superior athlete though - you are right about that)

And what the heck, you want them to have a royal rumble?

Baby Lee
08-04-2005, 09:55 AM
Pele anyone?
I'll stick with Edson Arantes. ;)

onescrewleftuntwisted
08-04-2005, 10:25 AM
nice to see im the only one that voted for montana

C-Mac
08-04-2005, 10:27 AM
The best athlete is the one that would place best if we threw them all together and had them all compete against each other in all sports.

In that instance, someone like Lance Armstrong would get broken in two. We already know that Jordan can't play baseball, and I have a lot of trouble envisioning Montana playing under the basket.

The best athlete is therefore someone who has shown that they can compete at a high level in many sports, which would be Jim Thorpe. He was a one-man track team, he played pro baseball, he played pro football, and he owns (owned) Olympic medals.

Agreed but I wonder how his track numbers compared to Bo Jackson's, that would be a good measuring stick.

C-Mac
08-04-2005, 10:28 AM
nice to see im the only one that voted for montana

He shouldnt even be on the list.

Garcia Bronco
08-04-2005, 10:33 AM
John Elway

C-Mac
08-04-2005, 10:38 AM
John Elway

I could even beat John Elway in a 40 yd dash.
:rolleyes:

C-Mac
08-04-2005, 11:02 AM
Agreed but I wonder how his track numbers compared to Bo Jackson's, that would be a good measuring stick.

Found these numbers just for comparison:

Bo Jackson-ran a 10.39 second time in the 100 meters dash.

Jim Thorpe-ran 11 second time in the 100 meter dash(Olympics)

Rain Man
08-04-2005, 11:04 AM
Well put. ya old fart

(Thorpe was a superior athlete though - you are right about that)

And what the heck, you want them to have a royal rumble?

"Next up is boxing. Round 1: Lance Armstrong versus Larry Allen."

katman1
08-04-2005, 02:48 PM
When it comes to scoring (with women) Wilt Chamberlain hands down.

Rain Man
08-04-2005, 04:01 PM
Found these numbers just for comparison:

Bo Jackson-ran a 10.39 second time in the 100 meters dash.

Jim Thorpe-ran 11 second time in the 100 meter dash(Olympics)

Hey, that's pretty cool.

The next question is, do we assume that we could give Jim Thorpe the nutrition and training regimen that Bo got? If so, I'll bet Jim would beat him. If not, then Bo wins.

Tinlar
08-04-2005, 04:14 PM
*spits in the dirt* Bo Jackson should be on the list.

Clint in Wichita
08-04-2005, 04:28 PM
As far as pure physical ability, Bo Jackson is at the top. A Pro Bowler in the NFL and an All-Star in MLB.

Carl Lewis is right there IMO.

Rain Man
08-04-2005, 04:32 PM
As an interesting exercise, maybe we should define 20 sports that, in combination, would comprise "the world's greatest athlete." Then we would go through and rate how we think a list of candidate would rank in each of those sports.

If no one minds, I'll start a new thread about that.

Son of Logical
08-04-2005, 05:01 PM
Jim Thorpe. Won the Decatholon, the Pentatholon in the same olympics, also was a pro baseball player, and pro football player. There shouldn't even be an argument. He is by far the greatest athlete ever. I don't understand how people overlook this guy.

Rain Man
08-04-2005, 05:05 PM
I'm sure I'll be ridiculed for this, but having seen him in person, I think Dennis Rodman is a legitimate candidate for this list. That guy had an amazing physique, and I think it all came naturally without even working out very much.

Rudy lost the toss
08-04-2005, 05:10 PM
Jim Thorpe. Won the Decatholon, the Pentatholon in the same olympics, also was a pro baseball player, and pro football player. There shouldn't even be an argument. He is by far the greatest athlete ever. I don't understand how people overlook this guy.
Maybe it has something to do with him dying over 50 years ago :shrug:

Son of Logical
08-04-2005, 05:30 PM
Maybe it has something to do with him dying over 50 years ago :shrug:

Yeah, well FDR died over 50 years ago as well, maybe if people brought up a list of the greatest Presidents he could be easily over looked sinse he died so long ago aswell.

I am just saying who can argue against that type of versatile achievements at a professional level. All I know is if I could emulate anyones athletic ability ever it would be Jim Thorpes. Give me his ability and combine it with the athletic regiments that have been around since I was born, I am telling you he would be the best athlete out there today.

Rudy lost the toss
08-04-2005, 05:36 PM
Yeah, well FDR died over 50 years ago as well, maybe if people brought up a list of the greatest Presidents he could be easily over looked sinse he died so long ago aswell.

I am just saying who can argue against that type of versatile achievements at a professional level. All I know is if I could emulate anyones athletic ability ever it would be Jim Thorpes. Give me his ability and combine it with the athletic regiments that have been around since I was born, I am telling you he would be the best athlete out there today.
oh I agree with you about Thorpe, I'm just saying that a lot of people just don't know about him. People don't learn about Thorpe in their school's history books like they would FDR, and ESPN sure doesn't talk about sports history unless it's baseball.

WolfDawg
08-04-2005, 05:42 PM
Jim Brown

Rausch
08-04-2005, 05:43 PM
Montana is a good argument for best QB of all time but not Athlete.

As far as pure talent I'd go with Bo Jackson, Jim Brown, or Ali...

Son of Logical
08-04-2005, 05:48 PM
oh I agree with you about Thorpe, I'm just saying that a lot of people just don't know about him. People don't learn about Thorpe in their school's history books like they would FDR, and ESPN sure doesn't talk about sports history unless it's baseball.

I could see your point there, but I think a person would be hard pressed to find a truly knowledgable sports person that didn't know who Jim Thorpe was. I pretty sure they made a movie about him. He also did make the top 10 of ESPN 100 greatest athletes. I think he was number 5. Not saying I support that list though, they did have Jordan at number one. I mean if the list was 100 greatest athletes that dominated their one sport, I could see the argument. Overall greatest athlete, I think not.

Son of Logical
08-04-2005, 05:51 PM
I also want to ask, maybe I just don't get it. Why is Ali considered one of the world greastest athletes. I do agree that he was probably the world greatest boxer, but did he do something else besides box. I know Jim Brown played all types of sports, and did it very well, as did Bo. But Ali as far as I know only boxed.

Baby Lee
08-04-2005, 06:02 PM
Carl Lewis is right there IMO.
Funny you should mention him, as he throws out a first pitch to make the Queer Eyes giggle in embarassment.

Also, I guess singing the Nat'l Anthem isn't a criteria.

Baby Lee
08-04-2005, 06:05 PM
Jim Thorpe. Won the Decatholon, the Pentatholon in the same olympics, also was a pro baseball player, and pro football player. There shouldn't even be an argument. He is by far the greatest athlete ever. I don't understand how people overlook this guy.
I recognize him. I know his achievements. I admire him. Still, for reasons already discussed in this thread, I dismiss him as the greatest ever.
Read the thread before questioning people's knowledge and reasoning.

Frankie
08-04-2005, 06:30 PM
I'll stick with Edson Arantes. ;)I'd say they are about equal.
;)