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ROYC75
08-03-2005, 02:24 PM
OK, if you can believe this , here ya go .............


Chiefs coach Vermeil having second thoughts about retirement
DOUG TUCKER
Associated Press


RIVER FALLS, Wis. - Maybe this won't be Dick Vermeil's last year after all.

In January, at the end of Kansas City's tough and disappointing 7-9 season, the oldest head coach in the NFL honestly thought it would be.

"I've told my assistant coaches that next year will be my last," he announced.

But now the bounce is back. Despite his 69 years, the only man to coach teams to victory in both the Super Bowl and the Rose Bowl feels animated, energetic and eager.

Everything will hinge on how the 2005 Chiefs do. Provided they compete and he still feels up to the job, Vermeil just might return for his 16th campaign in a league that twice has honored him as coach of the year.

"If the team plays real well and it looks like the way we do things is capable of producing a good football team, then I might stay," Vermeil said. "I'm just going to play it out and see what happens."

He already hastily retired once and lived to regret it. Shortly after the St. Louis Rams won the Super Bowl in the 1999 season, he unexpectedly stepped down and returned to his 114-acre estate in rural Pennsylvania.

"I realized very quickly that that was a mistake. I don't sit and wallow in regret, but it was a mistake," he said. "I'm just not going to be as impulsive as I was with the Rams."

It has been four seasons since Chiefs president Carl Peterson, Vermeil's friend from UCLA and Philadelphia days, fired then-head coach Gunther Cunningham and talked Vermeil into taking his place.

A 34-30 Kansas City record, with only one playoff appearance in 2003, has left him feeling dissatisfied, hungry to see the project to a successful end. But forcing an old friend into a painful decision is the last thing he wants.

"If it doesn't seem to be working out, I certainly would not want to put Carl in the position where he would have to tell me to go," he said. "I think too much of him."

For now at least, amid the sights and sounds of Kansas City's scenic North Woods training camp, last winter's weariness has given way to a refreshing sense of renewal.

"I feel great," Vermeil said. "But we've got to get the job done. That's what they brought me here to do. So far we've only done it once. And we should have been a playoff team two other times."

A raft of new defensive players has been brought in. If the defense gels and the high-scoring offense keeps going, the Chiefs could be headed for something special.

If they reach the Super Bowl, Vermeil would be the only head coach in league history to get there with three separate franchises.

"There are times you get frustrated, you get tired," he said. "But I love my responsibilities."

In many ways, he shows no sign of slowing down. In fact, the leadership skills that have characterized a coaching career that began in a California high school 45 years ago have probably never been put to a sterner test than when Cunningham came back.

Often moody and insecure, Cunningham shocked even his closest friends when he accepted Peterson's offer to return as defensive coordinator and work for the man who took away his dream job.

It's an unusual and potentially awkward position for both men, a situation that would seem ripe with the seeds of staff discontent. But Vermeil, always a people person, made his sensitive predecessor feel welcome the moment he arrived in 2004.

He still gives the delicate relationship extra care. Just days before camp opened last month, he called Cunningham in for a private chat. They met in the spacious office of the head coach, the one Cunningham once occupied.

"It was mostly about his coaching philosophy and the way we want to approach the season," Cunningham said. "But the rest of it was real personal. I appreciated it. No matter what is done, I'm going to be loyal to Dick Vermeil."

Earning loyalty has never been a problem for Vermeil, who still hears from many men he coached in high school in the early '60s.

"I love being a leader," he said. "I love coaching. I love working with my coaches, and I love my players. And if you don't have that passion for those people, then you shouldn't be in this business. That's what's always driven me.

"Does that light still burn? You darn right it does."

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Donger
08-03-2005, 02:33 PM
"I feel great," Vermeil said. "But we've got to get the job done. That's what they brought me here to do. So far we've only done it once. And we should have been a playoff team two other times."

What?

beavis
08-03-2005, 02:36 PM
What?
I think he's trying to say, if we didn't suck, and had one 3 or 4 more games, we would have been right there.

ptlyon
08-03-2005, 02:36 PM
CP: "Well Dick, it has been an honor and a pleasure working with you..."

Dick: "Carl, I don't think I'm going to retire. I want to coach one more year."

CP: "Well Dick..." (putting his arm around him and heading him for the door), "I think it is time in the Chiefs organization where we make some chang..."

Dick: "I'm not dead yet!"

CP: "Like I say Dick, there comes a time..."

Dick: "I'm getting better!"

Donger
08-03-2005, 02:38 PM
I think he's trying to say, if we didn't suck, and had one 3 or 4 more games, we would have been right there.

I took it to be that he thinks "getting the job done" is going to the playoffs. I agree, of course, but I sure as h*ll hope he doesn't think that just getting there is getting the WHOLE job done.

wasi
08-03-2005, 02:39 PM
I hope he stays.

jspchief
08-03-2005, 02:43 PM
If we don't make the play-offs, I'm ready to move on to the next chapter.

Mr. Laz
08-03-2005, 02:48 PM
don't really care whether he stays or not


i'm good either way

Goapics1
08-03-2005, 02:50 PM
If we don't make the play-offs, I'm ready to move on to the next chapter.
What if Rich Kotite is the next chapter?

Mr. Laz
08-03-2005, 02:53 PM
What if Rich Kotite is the next chapter?
wah,wah,wah

and what if we have a great head coach next?

jspchief
08-03-2005, 02:54 PM
What if Rich Kotite is the next chapter?Yea. I'm sure Kotite would be a leading candidate. :rolleyes:

Maybe we won't do better than Vermeil, but if his thing isn't working after 5 years, I don't believe it's going to work.

DTLB58
08-03-2005, 03:15 PM
I was ready to move on at the end of last year.

I just hope when he leaves he takes his body Carl (I know he signed an extension) with him.

Just my opinion, But I think IF we fail again this year the franchise would be better without both of them.

Saulbadguy
08-03-2005, 03:18 PM
Yea. I'm sure Kotite would be a leading candidate. :rolleyes:

Maybe we won't do better than Vermeil, but if his thing isn't working after 5 years, I don't believe it's going to work.
I agree. However, if our defense isn't better this year..something is inheritly wrong with the Chiefs.

If we do make the playoffs and at least win a game, i'd love to see him back.

Nzoner
08-03-2005, 08:19 PM
But now the bounce is back. Despite his 69 years, the only man to coach teams to victory in both the Super Bowl and the Rose Bowl feels animated, energetic and eager.

Well I'm glad somebody feels good but I guess millions of dollars has a way of doing that.

I like coach alot,but personally,thanks to the last 20 years of my undying loyalty to this team there's days when my 42 feels more like 72.So enough of next year and if this if that,can they please just get this thing done while I'm halfway young enough to really enjoy it.

Dayze
08-03-2005, 08:22 PM
CP: "Well Dick, it has been an honor and a pleasure working with you..."

Dick: "Carl, I don't think I'm going to retire. I want to coach one more year."

CP: "Well Dick..." (putting his arm around him and heading him for the door), "I think it is time in the Chiefs organization where we make some chang..."

Dick: "I'm not dead yet!"

CP: "Like I say Dick, there comes a time..."

Dick: "I'm getting better!"


"...I think I'll go for a walk".

Chiefs Pantalones
08-03-2005, 08:56 PM
No matter what, I want him gone after this year.

Flame away...

Mr. Kotter
08-03-2005, 09:22 PM
Yea. I'm sure Kotter would be a leading candidate. :rolleyes:
.

Why not? :shrug:

I've coached HS Freshman....this year I'm doin' PeeWee coaching. I'll be ready. :p

Mr. Kotter
08-03-2005, 09:23 PM
No matter what, I want him gone after this year.

Flame away...

If he makes it to the SB, it'll be hard to push him out if he wants to stay...

Chiefs Pantalones
08-03-2005, 09:41 PM
That is the only way I would accept him back, is if we win the Super Bowl. If not, it's time to move on. I want a real 5 year plan, not one that lasts 15 years like Carl's. I want a coach and a GM that will give it their best shot for 5 years, and if they haven't done anything, let someone else try instead of overstaying their welcome like Carl has.

Boyceofsummer
08-03-2005, 09:52 PM
At least I have seen the Chiefs in two Superbowls. I've seen the pinnacle of the AFL and many great AFL and KC players. Some here are not old enough to have seen all the glory. I on the other hand will not hold out much hope anymore. Just can't get motivated like the old days and continually now wait for bad karma to rise up during every game.

Mr. Kotter
08-03-2005, 09:53 PM
That is the only way I would accept him back, is if we win the Super Bowl. If not, it's time to move on. I want a real 5 year plan, not one that lasts 15 years like Carl's. I want a coach and a GM that will give it their best shot for 5 years, and if they haven't done anything, let someone else try instead of overstaying their welcome like Carl has.

Dude, regardless of what DV does....I'm resigned to the fact CP will be around at least 2 or 3 more years. He just re-upped this off-season... :banghead:

TEX
08-03-2005, 10:55 PM
I agree. However, if our defense isn't better this year..something is inheritly wrong with the Chiefs.

If we do make the playoffs and at least win a game, i'd love to see him back.

Yep.

DaWolf
08-04-2005, 01:00 AM
I'm fine with it. I like Vermeil. If we make the playoffs he can come back. If we miss the playoffs I fully expect him to walk away...

Chiefs Pantalones
08-04-2005, 01:04 AM
If DV does come back, so goodbye to Al. He won't wait around another year, IMO. And who knows if it's a good thing or not yet...

Wallcrawler
08-04-2005, 01:38 AM
Well, Al Saunders has previous head coaching experience also, and even with his offensive knowledge, he didnt impress anyone.

I really believe that Al Saunders is another Mike Martz waiting to happen.

I think that guys like that who are such gurus at one side of the ball need to stay as coordinators. The same could be said for Vermiel, save for the fact that he somehow was able to overcome his complete and total lack of knowledge about the defensive side of the ball and have two superbowl appearances and split the two.


All the time I hear stuff like "Well, you cant be great at offense without knowing something about defense."

The only thing I would say to that is that there is a helluva lot more to knowing the defensive side of the ball than just knowing how to attack a defense. If you dont know how to fix your own defense, youre in a boatload of trouble.


Personally, Id much rather have the next head coach of the Chiefs, whoever that may be, to have a grasp of all facets of the game and not just be awesome one side of the ball and horrendous on the other.

kc1977
08-04-2005, 06:35 AM
Vickie D needs to go.

Mile High Mania
08-04-2005, 06:45 AM
IF the Chiefs were to win a SB this season... DV will retire. In all likelihood two on the Oline retire, and Holmes would likely consider it.... DV would retire.

StcChief
08-04-2005, 06:59 AM
Let's just win this year so he can retire and Vermeil can go to HOF.

Move AS in keep rolling.

MOhillbilly
08-04-2005, 07:03 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mr. Kotter
08-04-2005, 07:16 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, cousin Greg is gonna have to wait at least another year....heh.

MOhillbilly
08-04-2005, 07:18 AM
Yeah, cousin Greg is gonna have to wait at least another year....heh.

Uncle

Mr. Kotter
08-04-2005, 07:19 AM
Uncle

Uncle, cousin, brother, mother....aren't they all the same for you folks? Heh. ;)

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-04-2005, 07:22 AM
Everything will hinge on how the 2005 Chiefs do. Provided they compete and he still feels up to the job, Vermeil just might return for his 16th campaign in a league that twice has honored him as coach of the year.

"If the team plays real well and it looks like the way we do things is capable of producing a good football team, then I might stay," Vermeil said. "I'm just going to play it out and see what happens."


Maybe it's just me but it seems that if the fire still burns inside you to coach then you should coach. Basing it all on how good your team is seems a bit petty/selfish to me. Coaches coach bad team all over because they love what they do and it's a part of them. Saying we have to be good for him to want to do this anymore just strikes me wrong.

MOhillbilly
08-04-2005, 07:34 AM
Uncle, cousin, brother, mother....aren't they all the same for you folks? Heh. ;)

shit,you know ive got a list.
right?

Mr. Kotter
08-04-2005, 07:55 AM
shit,you know ive got a list.
right?

Is that a list to keep the relatives straight? :hmmm:

Or a list of people to kill at future CP tailgate gatherings? :(

MOhillbilly
08-04-2005, 07:57 AM
Is that a list to keep the relatives straight? :hmmm:

Or a list of people to kill at future CP tailgate gatherings? :(

heh,wouldnt ya like to know.:p

J Diddy
08-04-2005, 08:00 AM
Maybe it's just me but it seems that if the fire still burns inside you to coach then you should coach. Basing it all on how good your team is seems a bit petty/selfish to me. Coaches coach bad team all over because they love what they do and it's a part of them. Saying we have to be good for him to want to do this anymore just strikes me wrong.


Not really. Think of it like this, if they are gonna have to rebuild again then he is saying he isn't the man for the job.

jidar1
08-04-2005, 08:38 AM
I hope he stays, hes a great coach. Admittedly he's weak on the D side of the ball, but with Gun taking care of that part what more do you want? We've got one of the best head coaches the league has seen, and he's finally letting the D be run by a proven coodinator.

morphius
08-04-2005, 08:50 AM
IF the Chiefs were to win a SB this season... DV will retire. In all likelihood two on the Oline retire, and Holmes would likely consider it.... DV would retire.
Actually I think the only way he stays around is if the Chiefs get to or win the superbowl. He regreted leaving StL after winning the superbowl and not seeing if he could do it twice in a row, at least that is how I always took what he was saying on the subject.

deadbabyseal
08-04-2005, 08:54 AM
"...I think I'll go for a walk".
You're not fooling anyone.