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chappy
08-05-2005, 10:21 PM
Someone who knows alot of details. could you please explain the falcon defense and when we used it and what is the benefit?

Fire Me Boy!
08-05-2005, 10:22 PM
IIRC, it basically was stick DT out there to sack the passer... that's about it. Let DT get after the QB.

Crush
08-05-2005, 10:23 PM
IIRC, it basically was stick DT out there to sack the passer... that's about it. Let DT get after the QB.


Dan Williams

chappy
08-05-2005, 10:28 PM
so it was a base 4-3 with dt out on the side of a de? was dt the 3rd backer or was he a lineman?

Phobia
08-05-2005, 10:29 PM
Are you familiar with the box & 1 defense in basketball?

Same concept. DT was the 1.

It was a 3-4 hybrid that put DT's hand on the ground wherever he wanted on the line, most frequently from the edges.

Phobia
08-05-2005, 10:30 PM
so it was a base 4-3 with dt out on the side of a de? was dt the 3rd backer or was he a lineman?

Technically it was a 3-4, but DT mostly lined up with his hand on the ground so it looked a lot like a 4-3. It basically allowed DT to freelance.

chappy
08-05-2005, 10:33 PM
what years did we use this?

Fire Me Boy!
08-05-2005, 10:34 PM
'97 only, I think.

chappy
08-05-2005, 10:35 PM
i wonder what our defense ranked that year?

Deberg_1990
08-05-2005, 10:36 PM
Ironically in 1995 and 1997, DT only had 8 and 9.5 sacks. I remember there were alot of people at the time that didnt think DT was very good when he lined up in the Falcon.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/930/career

Fire Me Boy!
08-05-2005, 10:36 PM
i wonder what our defense ranked that year?


http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan1997.htm


Points scored: 375 (#6 of 30 in the NFL)
Points allowed: 232 (#1 of 30 in the NFL)

Phobia
08-05-2005, 10:41 PM
Ironically in 1995 and 1997, DT only had 8 and 9.5 sacks. I remember there were alot of people at the time that didnt think DT was very good when he lined up in the Falcon.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/930/career

Yeah. I think the concept was great and played to DT's strengths. But it didn't work out well for the front 3 and DT spent a lot of time injured while the Falcon was deployed. Pellom McDaniels wasn't a very good backup for DT either. Who would have been?

Deberg_1990
08-05-2005, 10:44 PM
Yeah. I think the concept was great and played to DT's strengths. But it didn't work out well for the front 3 and DT spent a lot of time injured while the Falcon was deployed. Pellom McDaniels wasn't a very good backup for DT either. Who would have been?

Whats funny is, he had some of his biggest sack seasons before Gunther ever came to KC. Who was our D-Coordinator in the early 90's? Dave Adolph??

chappy
08-05-2005, 10:46 PM
no wonder i don't remember i was pretty young then. i liked football but didn't study in to the game like i do now.

chappy
08-05-2005, 10:49 PM
he tore it up in '90!!!!! i was 7 years old then wow thats along time ago.

Phobia
08-05-2005, 10:50 PM
Whats funny is, he had some of his biggest sack seasons before Gunther ever came to KC. Who was our D-Coordinator in the early 90's? Dave Adolph??

Yeah. I'm not sure Gunther had a chance to really work out the Falcon defense. If he had pursued it another year, maybe they'd have worked out some of the weaknesses but somebody put the kibash to the Falcon.

Deberg_1990
08-05-2005, 10:52 PM
he tore it up in '90!!!!! i was 7 years old then wow thats along time ago.

Yes he did...I honestly believe that 1990 team was Martys best.

chappy
08-05-2005, 10:58 PM
could bell or dj play the roaming part in the falcon defense?

Ebolapox
08-06-2005, 12:26 AM
Whats funny is, he had some of his biggest sack seasons before Gunther ever came to KC. Who was our D-Coordinator in the early 90's? Dave Adolph??

none other than ole' duckbill himself...bill cowher

-EB-

Nightfyre
08-06-2005, 12:33 AM
I want cowher to coach here... :(

Demonpenz
08-06-2005, 12:47 AM
you always wanted to run directly at DT and try to punish him. Anything away from him or passing he was just to quick

J Diddy
08-06-2005, 01:53 AM
I want cowher to coach here... :(


It would be interesting but it ain't gonna happen.

alanm
08-06-2005, 02:15 AM
he tore it up in '90!!!!! i was 7 years old then wow thats along time ago.
You're lucky. You're still young enough where the years still pass slowly for you. Wait till you hit 30. The years start wizzing by so fast that if you blink you've missed 5. 1990 may seem like a long time ago for you. But it seems like last week to me. :D

mcan
08-06-2005, 03:01 AM
Like others have said, it was a 3-4, but the outside backer (usually Derrick) would line up as the right defensive end. Unfortunately this put him in a position where if the tackle got ahold of him, he was OUT of the play entirely. It was also very suspect against the run. This was the year of our "Bend but don't break" defense, when Mark McMillian led the AFC in interceptions as a nickle back, and we seemed to score a touchdown a week on defense or special teams.

Rausch
08-06-2005, 03:14 AM
Yes he did...I honestly believe that 1990 team was Martys best.

I have yet to see a Chiefs team match the magic of 93. Wow.

In 50 years no one will know who Keith Cash was outside of Missouri... :)

J Diddy
08-06-2005, 03:15 AM
I have yet to see a Chiefs team match the magic of 93. Wow.

In 50 years no one will know who Keith Cash was outside of Missouri... :)

Captain block a punt.......................

Rausch
08-06-2005, 03:20 AM
Captain block a punt.......................

I don't remember that.

I do remember him tossing the pigskin into a huge banner of Buddy Ryan's mug.

Good thing too, 'cause we haven't won a ****ing playoff game since...

alanm
08-06-2005, 03:24 AM
I have yet to see a Chiefs team match the magic of 93. Wow.

In 50 years no one will know who Keith Cash was outside of Missouri... :)
Oh I don't know, the magic of 1969 wasn't too shabby. I was 12 that fall. The memory keeps getting more fragmented. It was a lifetime ago.
It's all Carl's fault!! Damnit Carl, You Promised!! :cuss: :cuss:
Where's my f*cking Super Bowl!! :cuss: :cuss:
What was that song that bratty little girl sang in Willy Wonka " I Want It Now!!"
I WANT IT NOW CARL!! DAMNIT.. GIVE ME A SUPER BOWL!! :# :cuss:

J Diddy
08-06-2005, 03:31 AM
I don't remember that.

I do remember him tossing the pigskin into a huge banner of Buddy Ryan's mug.

Good thing too, 'cause we haven't won a ****ing playoff game since...

http://www.journaliststoolbox.com/clips8.html

Rausch
08-06-2005, 03:50 AM
http://www.journaliststoolbox.com/clips8.html

Wow. I always thought Lewis blocked that. :hmmm:

J Diddy
08-06-2005, 03:52 AM
Wow. I always thought Lewis blocked that. :hmmm:


Nope I almost freaking died, I was pretty sure they lost the game.

That's about the only thing I remember about Keith Cash.

Deberg_1990
08-06-2005, 07:06 AM
I have yet to see a Chiefs team match the magic of 93. Wow.

In 50 years no one will know who Keith Cash was outside of Missouri... :)

that team was pretty magical...ill admit...Mostly Montana magic.

CrazyHorse
08-06-2005, 07:34 AM
Technically it was a 3-4, but DT mostly lined up with his hand on the ground so it looked a lot like a 4-3. It basically allowed DT to freelance.

This is the correct answer.

It was a floating LB position. DT lined up where ever he wanted. DT was a great talent as a player. But he was no defensive coordinator. The team was more effective without it.

The idea might work wit the right player. But when DT played it he became completely one dimmensional. All he wanted to do was rush the passer.