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Rain Man
08-07-2005, 03:39 PM
We started with a list of over 250 players who spent at least five seasons with the Chiefs OR started for at least two seasons. After hundreds of polls and millions of votes, with oversight from former President Jimmy Carter to ensure fair voting, it has come down to these five, the greatest legends of the greatest team that has ever walked on these fine American shores.

You get one vote. Who....is the greatest Chief of all time?


The 11 all-time greatest Chiefs, as determined by Chiefsplanet.

1. ???
2. ???
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???
6. Len Dawson, QB, 1962-1975
7. Tony Gonzalez, TE, 1997-Present
8. Priest Holmes, RB, 2001-Present
9. Otis Taylor, WR, 1965-1975
10. Deron Cherry, FS, 1981-1991
11. Jan Stenerud, K, 1967-1979

JOhn
08-07-2005, 03:49 PM
Man i really can't decide......

:hmmm:


Gonna have to think about this for awhile

|Zach|
08-07-2005, 03:51 PM
Lanier.

JOhn
08-07-2005, 03:55 PM
Lanier or Buchanan :banghead:

mlyonsd
08-07-2005, 03:59 PM
Lanier.

I'd agree. I can't see how you don't pick the MVP to the only SB you ever won, plus a guy named to the NFL All Time team.

Rain Man
08-07-2005, 04:07 PM
This is brutal, and it's almost impossible to pick one over the others.

I ended making a bit of a surprise choice. My initial thinking was to select Willie Lanier, because I think he was the icon of KC's defenses during the glory years. Then I levitated toward Bobby Bell, because the guy freakin' scored nine TDs as a defensive player, and his career more or less parallels the era in which KC was great.

DT? Perhaps the greatest playmaker in the history of the Chiefs. When he was on top of his game, he was a terror for other teams, and forcing 45 fumbles in his career is reason enough for consideration.

Then I looked objectively at figures, and Will Shields has more years and more pro bowls than any of them, and he's the dean of the best offense in the history of the NFL. High performance over a long period of time.

The guy who was initially fifth on my list was Buck Buchanan. He had fewer pro bowls than the others, though 8 is still astounding. The more I thought about it, however, the more impressed I was with him. He played for 13 years at defensive tackle in an era that was definitely more brutal and punishing than the modern era, and he was the team MVP twice. He could pass rush, defend the run, and chase down plays sideline to sideline. He was a 290 lb. DT in the days when 260 was large. He was, simply put, a longtime force at a punishing position for an entire era, and like Bell, his time in KC more or less parallels the Chiefs' rise to dominance. The more I think about it, Buck combines dominance, playmaking, and longevity better than anyone. Buck gets my vote.

JOhn
08-07-2005, 04:51 PM
The guy who was initially fifth on my list was Buck Buchanan. He had fewer pro bowls than the others, though 8 is still astounding. The more I thought about it, however, the more impressed I was with him. He played for 13 years at defensive tackle in an era that was definitely more brutal and punishing than the modern era, and he was the team MVP twice. He could pass rush, defend the run, and chase down plays sideline to sideline. He was a 290 lb. DT in the days when 260 was large. He was, simply put, a longtime force at a punishing position for an entire era, and like Bell, his time in KC more or less parallels the Chiefs' rise to dominance. The more I think about it, Buck combines dominance, playmaking, and longevity better than anyone. Buck gets my vote.


This is exactly what I'm thinking, with Lanier a close second and Bell & DT right behind them.

Then again Shields fits in the mix somewere after #1 :shrug:

So I'm really confused as to who to pick. Buck IS MY favorite player of all time.

JOhn
08-07-2005, 04:55 PM
Well I just made a decision, my mom who has followed the CHIEFS since the day they arrived, and actually knew many of the older players Including Lanier, Bell and Buchanan., made the choice for me.

Buck Buchanan :thumb:



**Edit**
WTF?!?

My vote didn't go to Buck?

chiefs4me
08-07-2005, 05:01 PM
What do you mean pick only one....I really don't think there is only ONE greatest chief of all times...maybe by decades I could pick one. But to have to pick only one, why that is a diss on the other great chiefs...I guess I won't vote on this poll....skip should be happy. But I didn't realize when it came down to it, I only got one vote...

chefsos
08-07-2005, 05:02 PM
http://www.hickoksports.com/biograph/lanierwillie.shtml
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=122
http://archive.sportingnews.com/nfl/100/42.html
http://www.hollywoodsportsbook.com/nflgreats/wlanier.cfm


W.F.L.

(Middle name - Freaking.)

luv
08-07-2005, 05:06 PM
DT. He's just my all time favorite as well as being great.

milkman
08-07-2005, 05:07 PM
This to me was easy, but I'd made up my mind long ago.

You could make a case for almost any one of the 5, except DT, IMO.

He was great at what he did.
A playmaker and a charismatic person.
But quite frankly, he was a one dimensional player.

Will Shields is an outstanding guard, who should be a no brainer for the HOF.

Buchanon is a guy that revolutionized the DT position, and is still the model for the position.

Bobby Bell was athletic, versatile, and a playmaker, who could have done anything that you could have asked him to do on a football field.

But Willie Lanier is among the greatest ever at MLB, most would place him top 5.
I would argue top 2 with Butkus.

He was the leader of one of the best defenses in NFL anals.

He played the position with intelligience, making the defensive calls for a defense that was more complex than some of the offenses he faced.

And he played with ferocious abandon.
He was the intimidator
He was the guy that opposing QBs, RBs and coaches feared when they faced that great D of the late 60s and early 70s.

Willie, to me, is the single greatest player to ever don the Red and Gold.

SNR
08-07-2005, 05:08 PM
I picked DT.

Logical
08-07-2005, 05:34 PM
...

But Willie Lanier is among the greatest ever at MLB, most would place him top 5.
I would argue top 2 with Butkus.

He was the leader of one of the best defenses in NFL anals.

He played the position with intelligience, making the defensive calls for a defense that was more complex than some of the offenses he faced.

And he played with ferocious abandon.
He was the intimidator
He was the guy that opposing QBs, RBs and coaches feared when they faced that great D of the late 60s and early 70s.

Willie, to me, is the single greatest player to ever don the Red and Gold.Couldn't of said it better meself.

Too bad these young-uns never had the chance to see the greatest Chief evah, and to think he played next to the second best Chief evah Mr Bobby Bell. Man it brings a drop of moisture to the ole eyes thinking of it.:D

cdcox
08-07-2005, 05:55 PM
I went with Lanier, but could have gone with Bell or Buchanan. But of those three great Chiefs, Lanier is the one that stands out most in my memory. Plus he was on the 75 year team, plus he was the highest ranked Chief on TSN's 100 Greatest Football Players.

mlyonsd
08-07-2005, 06:02 PM
Couldn't of said it better meself.

Too bad these young-uns never had the chance to see the greatest Chief evah, and to think he played next to the second best Chief evah Mr Bobby Bell. Man it brings a drop of moisture to the ole eyes thinking of it.:D

Amen. When I get out the ole game film from SB IV and watch how those guys played I remember vividely being stuck to the tv watching it in '70. Going into that SB as an underdog and watching the Chiefs D dominate the game was pure bliss.

Count Zarth
08-07-2005, 06:40 PM
Derrick Thomas. No question.

old_geezer
08-07-2005, 06:55 PM
I could cut and paste SideWinder's entire post because it represents my thinking almost exactly.

Lanier as the greatest of a great group of Chiefs. :clap: :clap: :clap:

old_geezer
08-07-2005, 07:00 PM
Derrick Thomas. No question.


Actually DT would be in 5th place on my ballot between these five players. He was great at what he did, but he could be run on. I pity the fool that ran at Lanier on purpose. ROFL

FWIW, I know these are just opinions. I wasn't trying to cut you down, just giving my side.

mlyonsd
08-07-2005, 07:11 PM
Derrick Thomas. No question.

Agh youth. So naive.

RedNeckRaider
08-07-2005, 07:13 PM
This to me was easy, but I'd made up my mind long ago.

You could make a case for almost any one of the 5, except DT, IMO.

He was great at what he did.
A playmaker and a charismatic person.
But quite frankly, he was a one dimensional player.

Will Shields is an outstanding guard, who should be a no brainer for the HOF.

Buchanon is a guy that revolutionized the DT position, and is still the model for the position.

Bobby Bell was athletic, versatile, and a playmaker, who could have done anything that you could have asked him to do on a football field.

But Willie Lanier is among the greatest ever at MLB, most would place him top 5.
I would argue top 2 with Butkus.

He was the leader of one of the best defenses in NFL anals.

He played the position with intelligience, making the defensive calls for a defense that was more complex than some of the offenses he faced.

And he played with ferocious abandon.
He was the intimidator
He was the guy that opposing QBs, RBs and coaches feared when they faced that great D of the late 60s and early 70s.

Willie, to me, is the single greatest player to ever don the Red and Gold.
I guess you know who I voted for. From the outside looking in as a non Chief fan this pick is a no brainer. Forgive the youngsters they have not a clue :)

milkman
08-07-2005, 07:23 PM
Agh youth. So naive.

No doubt.

What really gets me is that they actually have the audacity to argue with those of us who have actually seen all of these guys play.

Phobia
08-07-2005, 07:30 PM
I don't think you can go wrong with WL, Bell, or Buck. I'd have likely voted Bell because it is my understanding that he could have played any position on the field and played it well. He was an impressive player.

But when I read Buck's bio, I had to give my vote to him. All those accolades AND a 10.2 100 in the 60's? That was world class. A big man running world class sprints? Pound for pound, he's gotta be one of the fastest men of all time.

FloridaChief
08-07-2005, 07:46 PM
I don't think you can go wrong with WL, Bell, or Buck.

Agreeden. I could make an convincing argument for any of these three. In the end, I voted for Bobby Bell.

Thanks, Rain Man. Interesting and thought-provoking series of polls...

mikey23545
08-07-2005, 08:11 PM
I wish I could pick between Bell, Buchanon, or Lanier.

If Shields had ever sniffed a Super Bowl, he would definitely be in the hunt.

DT?...He was great for a one trick pony, but I could never seriously consider him for more than a specialized "freak" player. It would kinda be like voting for a place kicker or a punter as all-time greatest.

It's a choice between greatest athlete, greatest linebacker, or greatest defensive lineman....I'm stuck....

tk13
08-07-2005, 09:12 PM
I do think Derrick Thomas deserves to be on this list. He is the least complete player probably, but he more than made up for that by being one of the best "game changing" players of his era. I put a high value on turnovers though, and that doesn't even take into account all the sacks DT had.... and more importantly, the fact that the franchise stunk for two decades before he showed up, and hasn't been very good since he passed on. He maybe had a bigger individual impact on wins and losses than anybody on this list.

I also think Will Shields probably gets shafted a bit because he hasn't appeared in a Super Bowl. If he were to do that, maybe I'd voted him #1. Lots of personnel has come and gone on offense, from Joe Montana to Priest Holmes, Will has been the one constant that was always there, and always producing better than anybody at his position.

That said, I voted for Lanier. I figured a couple rounds ago that was probably who I was going to vote for, and I went with him. Considered one of the greatest players on one of the great defenses in the NFL, and on the one Chiefs team that won a Super Bowl, I had to vote for him.

Count Zarth
08-07-2005, 09:16 PM
he more than made up for that by being one of the best "game changing" players of his era. I put a high value on turnovers though, and that doesn't even take into account all the sacks DT had.... and more importantly, the fact that the franchise stunk for two decades before he showed up, and hasn't been very good since he passed on. He maybe had a bigger individual impact on wins and losses than anybody on this list.

That was pretty much my rationale.

luv
08-07-2005, 09:20 PM
No doubt.

What really gets me is that they actually have the audacity to argue with those of us who have actually seen all of these guys play.
I actually haven't seen anyone argue for or against DT. They simply stated that's who they voted for.

And if it's gonna be young (DT) vs. old (Lanier) on this board, Lanier will have it hands down... :p

Just kidding around.

Ari Chi3fs
08-07-2005, 09:20 PM
it was Lanier or DT... Im 32 and never saw Lanier play, so I had to go with DT... I wish I could have seen the others play.

but, then Id be an old grumpy fugger like most of the old coots on this site, so I take my youth... and DT.

Logical
08-07-2005, 09:20 PM
Let me echo FloridaChief, thanks Kevin for finding a way to entertain us in the offseason once again.


I will even forgive you for leaving Dreamsickle idlin with all of sweatin on the Tarmac.;)

chiefs4me
08-07-2005, 09:22 PM
I wish I could pick between Bell, Buchanon, or Lanier.

If Shields had ever sniffed a Super Bowl, he would definitely be in the hunt.

DT?...He was great for a one trick pony, but I could never seriously consider him for more than a specialized "freak" player. It would kinda be like voting for a place kicker or a punter as all-time greatest.

It's a choice between greatest athlete, greatest linebacker, or greatest defensive lineman....I'm stuck....



hey, hey, hey.....one trick pony, that's not very nice...:hmmm:

Rain Man
08-07-2005, 09:25 PM
I think the biggest argument that can be made for DT, even more than the sacks, is the extraordinary number of fumbles that he caused.

That said, he would be fifth on my list here, which rips my heart out. All of these guys are like brothers to me.

DJay23
08-07-2005, 09:25 PM
DT is my all time favorite player, but objectively I don't think you can go wrong with Lanier. He was the linchpin of one of the greatest D's of all time.

chefsos
08-07-2005, 09:25 PM
You kids think all the old farts are asleep, don't you?


Scoreboard!


Willie! Willie! Willie! ROFL

plbrdude
08-07-2005, 09:30 PM
Willie

Skip Towne
08-07-2005, 09:37 PM
What do you mean pick only one....I really don't think there is only ONE greatest chief of all times...maybe by decades I could pick one. But to have to pick only one, why that is a diss on the other great chiefs...I guess I won't vote on this poll....skip should be happy. But I didn't realize when it came down to it, I only got one vote...
Thank you for abstaining. You don't know shit about it. You've already proved that.

KCChiefsMan
08-07-2005, 09:39 PM
I would have thought Len Dawson would have been on that list, he would have got my vote, but I went for Shields

Rain Man
08-08-2005, 08:42 AM
One final bump for the weekday crew, and then we will crown the winner.

And KCChiefsman, Dawson didn't make the finals. He was one vote short of making it into the top five.

Crush
08-08-2005, 08:58 AM
Even though I wasn't around to see him play, I picked Lanier.

JOhn
08-08-2005, 01:38 PM
Kevin I voted for Buck, but my vote shows up for DT. Guess I'm just to dumb to vote on anymore polls :banghead:

Duck Dog
08-08-2005, 01:46 PM
I picked Shields because he is our Ripkin JR. Also when you play OL there aren't many stats to show how well you have performed. It takes a greater player to shine we he plays OL.

They were all great.

Saulbadguy
08-08-2005, 01:51 PM
Will Shields. Then Willie Lanier.

Miles
08-08-2005, 03:04 PM
Tough call but i went with Shields.

Goodys
08-08-2005, 03:14 PM
Willie: he was the leader of one of the best defenses ever on the field and off. The definition of the gentleman/warrior.

chagrin
08-08-2005, 03:15 PM
I should kill you for this

|Zach|
08-08-2005, 03:16 PM
Any of those guys work for me but DT.

chagrin
08-08-2005, 03:21 PM
Young 'un here, and I was ever so tempted to select Bobby Bell or Buck. I guess I am a 'victim' of the time in which I was raised. DT is my favorite player ever, period. I celebrated every great play and mourned his passing, and still wonder about the awesome plays he would have made for a few years after the 2000 season. I stick to my guns and that's who I selected - DT #58

With apologies to Bobby, Will, Buck and Willie.

Rain Man, I hate you

:cuss:

Rain Man
08-08-2005, 05:51 PM
The results are in. Henceforth, the all-time greatest Chiefs are presented in this order:

1. Willie Lanier, MLB, 1967-1977
2. Derrick Thomas, LB, 1989-1999
3. Will Shields, G, 1993-Present
4. Bobby Bell, LB, 1963-1974
5. Buck Buchanan, DT, 1963-1975
6. Len Dawson, QB, 1962-1975
7. Tony Gonzalez, TE, 1997-Present
8. Priest Holmes, RB, 2001-Present
9. Otis Taylor, WR, 1965-1975
10. Deron Cherry, FS, 1981-1991
11. Jan Stenerud, K, 1967-1979

The cool thing about this list is that we ended up with at least one QB, RB, WR, TE, OL, K, S, LB, and DL in our top 11. That's what you call balance.

Ironically, we have no CB on the list, and I would say that CB has historically been our strongest position with Lewis, Ross, Green, Carter, Hasty, Thomas, Marsalis, et. al. It's interesting that none of them made the top 11. Did they knock each other out to some extent?

milkman
08-08-2005, 06:17 PM
The results are in. Henceforth, the all-time greatest Chiefs are presented in this order:

1. Willie Lanier, MLB, 1967-1977
2. Derrick Thomas, LB, 1989-1999
3. Will Shields, G, 1993-Present
4. Bobby Bell, LB, 1963-1974
5. Buck Buchanan, DT, 1963-1975
6. Len Dawson, QB, 1962-1975
7. Tony Gonzalez, TE, 1997-Present
8. Priest Holmes, RB, 2001-Present
9. Otis Taylor, WR, 1965-1975
10. Deron Cherry, FS, 1981-1991
11. Jan Stenerud, K, 1967-1979

The cool thing about this list is that we ended up with at least one QB, RB, WR, TE, OL, K, S, LB, and DL in our top 11. That's what you call balance.

Ironically, we have no CB on the list, and I would say that CB has historically been our strongest position with Lewis, Ross, Green, Carter, Hasty, Thomas, Marsalis, et. al. It's interesting that none of them made the top 11. Did they knock each other out to some extent?

Well, at least we collectively got #1 right.

Rain Man
08-08-2005, 06:41 PM
Well, at least we collectively got #1 right.

Overall, I think it's a pretty good list. We can quibble about specific placements, but overall it's pretty good.

chiefs4me
08-08-2005, 07:38 PM
Overall, I think it's a pretty good list. We can quibble about specific placements, but overall it's pretty good.






skipper will find something he doesn't like about it.....ROFL

ct
08-09-2005, 12:29 PM
This to me was easy, but I'd made up my mind long ago.

You could make a case for almost any one of the 5, except DT, IMO.

He was great at what he did.
A playmaker and a charismatic person.
But quite frankly, he was a one dimensional player.

Will Shields is an outstanding guard, who should be a no brainer for the HOF.

Buchanon is a guy that revolutionized the DT position, and is still the model for the position.

Bobby Bell was athletic, versatile, and a playmaker, who could have done anything that you could have asked him to do on a football field.

But Willie Lanier is among the greatest ever at MLB, most would place him top 5.
I would argue top 2 with Butkus.

He was the leader of one of the best defenses in NFL anals.

He played the position with intelligience, making the defensive calls for a defense that was more complex than some of the offenses he faced.

And he played with ferocious abandon.
He was the intimidator
He was the guy that opposing QBs, RBs and coaches feared when they faced that great D of the late 60s and early 70s.

Willie, to me, is the single greatest player to ever don the Red and Gold.

I would love to offer my own opinion on why I vote for Willie Lanier, but could never come close to this passionate eloquence right here. Well said SideWinder, well said!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

FWIW, Buchanon was easily 2nd, Shields edging Bell for 3rd, with DT a distant 5th.

ct
08-09-2005, 12:41 PM
it was Lanier or DT... Im 32 and never saw Lanier play, so I had to go with DT... I wish I could have seen the others play.

but, then Id be an old grumpy fugger like most of the old coots on this site, so I take my youth... and DT.

That's a copout! I'm 34 and didn't even follow the Chiefs until DT was drafted, that's what got my attention to KC. And I already stated that of these 5, DT was a distant 5th. I hear the game-changer argument, and I'm all good with game-changer players, but when I'm asked for all-time greats, they had better be an all-around stud and a leader of the team.

HemiEd
08-09-2005, 12:53 PM
Willie Lanier got my vote. I do not remember watching a better player ever.

jidar1
08-09-2005, 12:59 PM
Willie Lanier. You gotta pick Lanier. No knock on their other players, but if you had to pick 10 of the greatest NFL players of all time from any team, Lanier would have a good shot to make that list. The man is a legend to all football fans, not just Chiefs fans. I think that says a lot.

whoman69
08-09-2005, 01:18 PM
Bobby Bell is perhaps the greatest athlete ever to play for the Chiefs. I give him the nod slightly over Lanier.

redsurfer11
08-09-2005, 05:46 PM
Bobby Bell is perhaps the greatest athlete ever to play for the Chiefs. I give him the nod slightly over Lanier.


Bell gets my slight nod over Lanier also. For the young ones on this board, DT couldn't hold Bells jock. DT was a great pass rusher and a favorite of mine, but he wasn't even 25% of the player Bobby Bell was.

RedDread
08-11-2005, 05:51 PM
I vote for a recount if we win the superbowl this year.

Count Zarth
08-11-2005, 06:54 PM
Bell gets my slight nod over Lanier also. For the young ones on this board, DT couldn't hold Bells jock. DT was a great pass rusher and a favorite of mine, but he wasn't even 25% of the player Bobby Bell was.

You are extremely stupid from what I've been told. I also picked Bell over Lanier.

Thig Lyfe
08-11-2005, 06:56 PM
I went with DT.

patteeu
08-11-2005, 09:09 PM
Where's the Derrick Johnson option? ;)

I voted for Willie Lanier (although apparently after the polls had closed). Bobby Bell was the only other option that tempted me. The other three were great, but they don't compare to Lanier and Bell IMO.

Rain Man
08-11-2005, 09:22 PM
Where's the Derrick Johnson option? ;)

I voted for Willie Lanier (although apparently after the polls had closed). Bobby Bell was the only other option that tempted me. The other three were great, but they don't compare to Lanier and Bell IMO.

I tried to call you, but the Republicans were jamming your phone.

patteeu
08-12-2005, 10:16 AM
I tried to call you, but the Republicans were jamming your phone.

LOL. Damn those dirty tricksters! Oh well, my guy still won. PBJ