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the Talking Can
08-08-2005, 08:08 AM
from the Chiefscoalition...don't know if I should post the whole thing, but here a couple snips...much better than anything coming out of the Star:

gunther (http://www.chiefscoalition.com/index.php?id=162)

DB: I was really disappointed when I read in the offseason that Kawika Mitchell didn't have the attitude to be physical. From what I was picking up, he didn't have the attitude of physicality, to dare you to even step on the field. Now how can that be when he's playing middle linebacker, the most physical position on the field.

GUN: "Well, we took six months and mentally beat him and he responded...The other night I tested him. I called him out in a meeting, told him to get out in front and talk. I sat down...And he said all the right things about how to play this game, the attitude you gotta bring to the table on every snap....I went out in the hall, called him over and I said, do you understand why I did that? He said, 'you wanted the guys to know that I'm the MLB.' I said no! I said it was just important to one guy and that was me. I wanted to believe you when you talked and I believe you....



DB: Ryan Sims looks different, he looks better.

GUN: Yeah, but he's got a long ways to go before he satisfies me...

htismaqe
08-08-2005, 08:10 AM
The comments on Mitchell here, and from others watching him at camp, are extremely encouraging. The guy seems to have a fire this year.

The comments on Sims I think are overall positive.

1) He's making progress, which is more than we could ever say about him before.

2) We know how hard Gunther is to "satisfy".

Chiefnj
08-08-2005, 08:13 AM
Former DB's interview with Sims is great. Sims all but admits that he wasn't giving 100% because he was fed up with Robinson, was tired of being yelled at for trying to get in the backfield, didn't feel he was being used right, etc.

the Talking Can
08-08-2005, 08:14 AM
The comments on Mitchell here, and from others watching him at camp, are extremely encouraging. The guy seems to have a fire this year.

The comments on Sims I think are overall positive.

1) He's making progress, which is more than we could ever say about him before.

2) We know how hard Gunther is to "satisfy".

yeah, I think he would be much harsher on Sims if there was a real lack of progress...he'll be better, the question is how much?

and I'm dying to see Mitchell in a real game...and why can't those lazy ****ers at the Star ask some interesting questions?

Coach
08-08-2005, 08:15 AM
Former DB's interview with Sims is great. Sims all but admits that he wasn't giving 100% because he was fed up with Robinson, was tired of being yelled at for trying to get in the backfield, didn't feel he was being used right, etc.

I remember that one game where Robinson was actually yelling at Sims for going in the backfield, and I'm assuming that Sims just lost respect for Robinson, to a point where he doesn't care anymore.

SIMS: My first two years here, that wasn't allowed -- getting in the backfield, because of the way we ran our defense, because of Greg. With Gunther, there's a lot less stuff to remember, it's about getting up the field and causing problems behind the line of scrimmage.

My first two years I use to get cussed out after every game for getting up field and getting behind the line and I hated it. I didn't like the situation I was in.

Here (http://www.chiefscoalition.com/index.php?id=158)

F**king Greg Robinson. 4321

htismaqe
08-08-2005, 08:18 AM
Former DB's interview with Sims is great. Sims all but admits that he wasn't giving 100% because he was fed up with Robinson, was tired of being yelled at for trying to get in the backfield, didn't feel he was being used right, etc.

That was the straw the broke the camel's back with me when it comes to Eric Hicks.

Even those of us sitting on the couch on Sundays could see that Robinson's scheme was losing games for us.

Sims tries to freelance and make some things happen and Hicks gets in his grill and calls him out for not being a team player.

Well Mr. "I can handle being 1-3" this game is your JOB. Being a team player doesn't mean shit if you're a LOSER.

wutamess
08-08-2005, 08:19 AM
Is it me or does Gunther resemble Billy Bob Thornton (Swingblade) in that pic?

the Talking Can
08-08-2005, 08:19 AM
whoa..I totally glossed over this statement:

"GUN: Yeah but I've got an outside linebacker (Derrick Johnson) that might be better than ALL those guys I had."

Chiefnj
08-08-2005, 08:20 AM
I remember that one game where Robinson was actually yelling at Sims for going in the backfield, and I'm assuming that Sims just lost respect for Robinson, to a point where he doesn't care anymore.

Here (http://www.chiefscoalition.com/index.php?id=158)

F**king Greg Robinson. 4321

"DB: Well why did you work out in Atlanta before, instead of working out with the team?

SIMS: Well, because I wasn't happy. I wasn't happy with the coaches. I didn't like what I was doing. I felt it was opposite of what I was doing in college. My first two years I use to get cussed out after every game for getting up field and getting behind the line and I hated it. I didn't like the situation I was in."

I can understand why Sims would be upset, but it isn't an excuse not to train in KC and go pout back home.

Chiefnj
08-08-2005, 08:23 AM
That was the straw the broke the camel's back with me when it comes to Eric Hicks.

Even those of us sitting on the couch on Sundays could see that Robinson's scheme was losing games for us.

Sims tries to freelance and make some things happen and Hicks gets in his grill and calls him out for not being a team player.

Well Mr. "I can handle being 1-3" this game is your JOB. Being a team player doesn't mean shit if you're a LOSER.

None of us enjoyed watching Robinson's scheme, but the guy has rings. In hindsight, he realized his team had no talent and he thought his BBDB was the best option - it probably was looking at how bad Gunther failed with the same players/different scheme.

htismaqe
08-08-2005, 08:28 AM
None of us enjoyed watching Robinson's scheme, but the guy has rings. In hindsight, he realized his team had no talent and he thought his BBDB was the best option - it probably was looking at how bad Gunther failed with the same players/different scheme.

Well, several of the players that "failed" under Robinson were drafted BY Robinson. He brought in Sims, who everybody has said is a 1-gap player and tried to make him a 2-gap player. If Mitchell busts out this year, he'll be the "proof".

Robinson may have suffered from a lack of talent at some positions, but at others, he simply had no idea how to use it.

Coach
08-08-2005, 08:30 AM
Well, several of the players that "failed" under Robinson were drafted BY Robinson. He brought in Sims, who everybody has said is a 1-gap player and tried to make him a 2-gap player. If Mitchell busts out this year, he'll be the "proof".

Robinson may have suffered from a lack of talent at some positions, but at others, he simply had no idea how to use it.

Not to mention that I would be more inclined to believe that the players gave up on Robinson because of his complicated schemes as well, in my opinion.

BigRedChief
08-08-2005, 08:41 AM
Not to mention that I would be more inclined to believe that the players gave up on Robinson because of his complicated schemes as well, in my opinion.

Yes he did need better players to work with but I agree Coach...the players were frustrated as hell with the system.

Chiefnj
08-08-2005, 08:54 AM
Well, several of the players that "failed" under Robinson were drafted BY Robinson. He brought in Sims, who everybody has said is a 1-gap player and tried to make him a 2-gap player. If Mitchell busts out this year, he'll be the "proof".

Robinson may have suffered from a lack of talent at some positions, but at others, he simply had no idea how to use it.

I'm not sure I put too much stock into Robinson having the power to tell CP who to draft.

htismaqe
08-08-2005, 08:55 AM
I'm not sure I put too much stock into Robinson having the power to tell CP who to draft.

Look at the profile of players we drafted...

Robinson influenced Vermeil and Vermeil influenced the drafts...

Brock
08-08-2005, 08:57 AM
I'm not sure I put too much stock into Robinson having the power to tell CP who to draft.

I dunno. He convinced Peterson to bring in old donkey rejects as free agents. Granted, they were cheap, but....

htismaqe
08-08-2005, 08:58 AM
I dunno. He convinced Peterson to bring in old donkey rejects as free agents. Granted, they were cheap, but....

I {heart} Glenn Cadrez.

stevieray
08-08-2005, 08:59 AM
I <heart> Glenn Cadrez.

Ray Crockett

Crush
08-08-2005, 09:26 AM
I still say the major reason Robinson failed here was Vermeil. I mean Vermeil gave him complete control of the defense. At least in Denver, Shanarat somewhat kept Robinson in line.

Coogs
08-08-2005, 09:37 AM
IF Mitchell's starting MLB stint hinged on giving a good speech, will the next addition to our defense be picked because he goes sleeveless in the wint... :)

BossKiller
08-08-2005, 11:43 AM
from the Chiefscoalition...don't know if I should post the whole thing, but here a couple snips...much better than anything coming out of the Star:

gunther (http://www.chiefscoalition.com/index.php?id=162)

DB: I was really disappointed when I read in the offseason that Kawika Mitchell didn't have the attitude to be physical. From what I was picking up, he didn't have the attitude of physicality, to dare you to even step on the field. Now how can that be when he's playing middle linebacker, the most physical position on the field.

GUN: "Well, we took six months and mentally beat him and he responded...The other night I tested him. I called him out in a meeting, told him to get out in front and talk. I sat down...And he said all the right things about how to play this game, the attitude you gotta bring to the table on every snap....I went out in the hall, called him over and I said, do you understand why I did that? He said, 'you wanted the guys to know that I'm the MLB.' I said no! I said it was just important to one guy and that was me. I wanted to believe you when you talked and I believe you....



DB: Ryan Sims looks different, he looks better.

GUN: Yeah, but he's got a long ways to go before he satisfies me...

Formerdb did an outstanding job. He asked a lot of questions we all want asked and answered. He should have some more stuff up later. Feel free to cut and paste all the stuff you guys want to. I was there this last week and I can tell you Sims looks like a 1st round pick. I think he will show up this year.

the Talking Can
08-08-2005, 12:03 PM
Formerdb did an outstanding job. He asked a lot of questions we all want asked and answered. He should have some more stuff up later. Feel free to cut and paste all the stuff you guys want to. I was there this last week and I can tell you Sims looks like a 1st round pick. I think he will show up this year.

thanks...the info is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than anything the KC media is putting out...by the way if the identity of Formerdb a secret or do we know who he is?

Chiefnj
08-08-2005, 12:09 PM
thanks...the info is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than anything the KC media is putting out...by the way if the identity of Formerdb a secret or do we know who he is?


Formerdb is the screen name that everyone knows him by. Most old timers on this board and others know his name. I don't know if he wants to keep it secret or not.

the Talking Can
08-08-2005, 12:11 PM
Formerdb is the screen name that everyone knows him by. Most old timers on this board and others know his name. I don't know if he wants to keep it secret or not.

cool..I understand

the Talking Can
08-08-2005, 12:12 PM
here's a camp wrapup with more good stuff:

Sims and Kawika (http://www.chiefscoalition.com/index.php?id=163)

snips:

"Don't assume gloom and doom for Sims. You should expect a player three times better than what you've seen until now. To understand Sims, just look at a meter bar, from 0 to 10; Sims was at 5 before the offseason. Sims, during his first two seasons was badly injured, out of shape and playing in the wrong scheme. The scheme was so bad that Carl "Big Daddy" Hairston cussed out Greg Robinson and stormed out of one of their meetings in Sims' second year. Remember too the frustration Sims expressed in our interview about playing under Robinson. Last year Gun introduced him to the style he likes to play, but Sims wasn't in the proper shape to play it aggressively. So that's why he trained with the team this offseason, rather than yuck it up in Atlanta. So now Sims is passing the 7 mark on the meter, because he's fine-tuned the physical attributes needed to be the dominant tackle everyone predicted he'd be when taken with the sixth pick overall in the 2002 draft."

J Diddy
08-08-2005, 12:16 PM
Good stuff.

the Talking Can
08-08-2005, 12:19 PM
'Keyaron Fox... ENOUGH SAID!!! I actually entertained thoughts on the field, based on what I was seeing, that one of two things will happen: Fox will leave after his contract is up and become a star for another team, or he will bump Kendrell Bell to second team. That might not be a bad thing, because Bell's contract is based on a bunch of incentives because of his injury history, including his signing bonus, so the Chiefs won't waste a bunch of money... I think. I'm not a capologist, but the point is this: Fox is fast, tough and is always in the right place."

htismaqe
08-08-2005, 12:59 PM
I hope this stuff is true. If we can get a big contribution out of both Sims and Mitchell, our defense could potentially be ALOT better.

Coach
08-08-2005, 01:33 PM
'Keyaron Fox... ENOUGH SAID!!! I actually entertained thoughts on the field, based on what I was seeing, that one of two things will happen: Fox will leave after his contract is up and become a star for another team, or he will bump Kendrell Bell to second team. That might not be a bad thing, because Bell's contract is based on a bunch of incentives because of his injury history, including his signing bonus, so the Chiefs won't waste a bunch of money... I think. I'm not a capologist, but the point is this: Fox is fast, tough and is always in the right place."

Heh, I love the last line on that one.

But DJ and Fox get there like they were shot out of a cannon aimed at a terrorist camp.

ROFL

Brock
08-08-2005, 01:44 PM
Formerdb is the screen name that everyone knows him by. Most old timers on this board and others know his name. I don't know if he wants to keep it secret or not.

This is the guy.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/wtae/301746/detail.html

BigRedChief
08-08-2005, 01:51 PM
This is the guy.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/wtae/301746/detail.html

narc :p