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mlyonsd
08-17-2005, 07:59 AM
Says the reason the information wasn't shared with the FBI was because of legal concerns of the military looking into people within US borders.

Agent Defends Military Unit's Data on 9/11 Hijackers
Wednesday, August 17, 2005
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WASHINGTON — Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer, a military intelligence specialist who worked on a secret pre-Sept. 11 investigative unit called Able Danger, has gone on the record, telling FOX News that he personally briefed staffers with the Sept. 11 commission in October 2003 about Mohamed Atta.

A statement from the commission — formally known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States — said that three staffers attended the meeting, but none, including Executive Director Phil Zelicow, remembers Shaffer mentioning Atta.

Still, the intelligence agent is standing by his claim that he told them that the lead hijacker in the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks had been identified in the summer of 2000 as an Al Qaeda operative living in the United States.

"What we talked about to the 9/11 commission was we found that these guys matched a pattern, a pattern, which in this case with Atta and the other four terrorists, matched the Brooklyn location," Shaffer said in his first television interview.

He said the intelligence unit used algorithms based on many items of information that popped out patterns that linked individuals to a group or location. The other three terrorists linked were Khalid al-Mihdhar, Nawaf al-Hazmi and Marwan al-Shehhi.

Shaffer's briefing with the staffers took place in Bagram, Afghanistan. A Sept. 11 commission spokesman said the commission made two broad requests to the Pentagon for information relating to Able Danger, but received nothing to back up Shaffer's claim.

"None of the documents turned over to the commission mention Mohamed Atta or any of the other future hijackers," the spokesman said. Shaffer said the commission never received the whole story.
"I'm told confidently by the person who moved the material over, that the 9/11 commission received two briefcase-sized containers of documents. I can tell you for a fact that would not be one-twentieth of the information that Able Danger consisted of during the time we spent" investigating, Shaffer said.

Shaffer said in the late summer of 2000, he tried three times to set up meetings between the FBI's Washington field office and officials with Able Danger who believed the information about Atta should be shared with domestic law enforcement.

Michael Mason, head of the FBI field office, said it's possible the meetings were arranged, but that cannot be verified by any means.
It is "premature at best to suggest that the information gathered at such a meeting would have prevented the events of 9/11," Mason added.

Shaffer said each of the meetings was cancelled on short notice — by members of the special operations command.

"On these occasions when we had set up these meetings between the FBI and special operations command, special operations command pulled out of all three. They decided not to show up," he said.

Shaffer said the meetings were canceled for a variety of reasons, including concern about the military investigating individuals who were in this country legally. Some of the hijackers had valid visas. They also were concerned that if any fallout came from the FBI's activities, the special operations people feared they would take the hit.

According to two sources, Able Danger was set up in the late 1990s to track Usama bin Laden's terror network worldwide. Shaffer said its omission from the final Sept. 11 commission report makes it a "partial record."

"Leaving out a project targeting Al Qaeda as a global threat a year before we're attacked by Al Qaeda is equivalent to having an investigation into Pearl Harbor and leaving, somehow, out the Japanese," Shaffer said.


FOX News has learned that Shaffer's security clearance was suspended last year over a disputed phone bill and allegations that he had not gone through the proper chain of command to obtain an award for Able Danger. Shaffer's lawyer told FOX News that no formal action has ever been taken against Shaffer — and since then he was promoted by the Army to lieutenant colonel.

A military spokesman told FOX News that the Pentagon wants more clarity on the issue and continues to interview those involved. Shaffer said he has now spoken with senior defense officials.

Radar Chief
08-17-2005, 08:02 AM
Forgot the “ooops”.

KCTitus
08-17-2005, 08:03 AM
War for oil?

mlyonsd
08-17-2005, 08:29 AM
I'm still not blaming Clinton for 911, just asking that the moonbats do the honorable thing and quit trying to stick it on Bush.

KCTitus
08-17-2005, 08:48 AM
I'm still not blaming Clinton for 911, just asking that the moonbats do the honorable thing and quit trying to stick it on Bush.

Good point. It's clear that the snafu that was the 'Goerelik Wall' was at issue here. I dont assign nefarious purposes to it, it is what it was. A typically liberal response to dealing with criminals or those that dont have societies best interest at heart. It was a pre 9/11 world...a different time.

mlyonsd
08-17-2005, 09:07 AM
Good point. It's clear that the snafu that was the 'Goerelik Wall' was at issue here. I dont assign nefarious purposes to it, it is what it was. A typically liberal response to dealing with criminals or those that dont have societies best interest at heart. It was a pre 9/11 world...a different time.

Yea us nutjobs really are blind sheep aren't we?

Uatu
08-17-2005, 09:25 AM
Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer, a military intelligence specialist who worked on a secret pre-Sept. 11 investigative unit called Able Danger, has gone on the record, telling FOX News that he personally briefed staffers with the Sept. 11 commission in October 2003 about Mohamed Atta.

A statement from the commission — formally known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States — said that three staffers attended the meeting, but none, including Executive Director Phil Zelicow, remembers Shaffer mentioning Atta.


butbutbutbutbutbutbutbut I thought the 911 comission's findings were the solemn word of God!

Are you telling me that a bunch of beurocrats with agendas who were only interested in showboating during free TV time and pointing fingers at each other got something WRONG?

Say it ain't so.

homey
08-17-2005, 10:04 AM
I'd say someone's about due for a promotion.

Chief Henry
08-17-2005, 10:35 AM
Forgot the “ooops”.
:LOL:

These "Abel Danger" Whistle Blowers have guts to come out
and shove this right into the face of the established Washington
Political hacks. I bet Mrs. and Mr. Clinton are sweating bulletts right now.

I wonder what info Sandy Burglar put his reputation and career on the line for ??? :hmmm:

Uatu
08-17-2005, 11:16 AM
I wonder what info Sandy Burglar put his reputation and career on the line for ??? :hmmm:

At the time, I didn't care about that story much, but with able danger, the intelligence wall that was erected... I REALLY want to know what Sandy Berger was hiding now.

BIG_DADDY
08-17-2005, 11:16 AM
Friggen lawyers. I wonder if they will ever expose who they were.

Mr. Laz
08-17-2005, 11:18 AM
I'm still not blaming Clinton for 911, just asking that the moonbats do the honorable thing and quit trying to stick it on Bush.
might get a better response if you dropped the "moonbats" tag

BigMeatballDave
08-17-2005, 11:36 AM
might get a better response if you dropped the "moonbats" tagNo, you've got it wrong, that's a term of endearment...



:D

Area 51
08-17-2005, 11:50 AM
Somebody needs to use the freedom of information act and get transcripts of the meetings this guy is talking about. If he said it the recorder would have put it in the minutes.

mlyonsd
08-17-2005, 12:15 PM
might get a better response if you dropped the "moonbats" tag

Anyone that wants to blame 911 on Bush is a moonbat IMO.

Kraut
08-18-2005, 10:06 AM
Friggen lawyers. I wonder if they will ever expose who they were.
I'm sure they never will. One thing I am sure of is that lawyers will be the downfall of this country in the end.