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Wile_E_Coyote
08-20-2005, 05:03 AM
The Chiefs hope to settle their remaining questions tonight in their preseason home opener.

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BY ADAM TEICHER
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Kansas City Star
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. - KC uneasy at cornerback
They say the best attribute for an NFL cornerback is a short memory. If you get beat or have a bad play, forget about it and move on.
Evidently, Dexter McCleon has that quality. That's a good thing for McCleon and the Chiefs after a disastrous 2004 season.

"That's over," McCleon said. "I'm putting it behind me and moving forward. I'm not dwelling on that anymore. It's a new season, a brand new year. I'm looking forward to good things happening."

If only the Chiefs were infected with that attitude. But after a rotten 2004 season and then a training camp in which only Patrick Surtain distinguished himself at cornerback, uneasy is probably the best way to describe their feelings toward the position.

Tonight's preseason game against Arizona at Arrowhead Stadium provides the Chiefs another chance to assess. They would not only like to see a big game from McCleon, but also that young Benny Sapp and veterans Ashley Ambrose and Dewayne Washington play better than in last week's loss to Minnesota.

"There's still a lot of competition," coach Dick Vermeil said, referring to the third, fourth and fifth cornerback spots. "It'll probably take two more preseason games to determine."

If training camp was any indication, the Chiefs were wise to send their No. 2 pick to Miami and give a sizable chunk of their bank account to Surtain. He almost single-handedly ended a two-minute drill at camp this week by deflecting two passes away from Eddie Kennison as the defense enjoyed a four-play victory.

Surtain gives the Chiefs peace of mind at cornerback like nobody since James Hasty.

Nobody emerged in camp to challenge McCleon as the other starter in the absence of Eric Warfield, who will miss the first four games because of NFL suspension.

Perhaps because they have no other alternative, the Chiefs are showing an extraordinary amount of faith in McCleon after his season last year. He was benched at one point, and after a particularly awful game in Jacksonville, the Jaguars admitted to going after McCleon because they believed he was a weak link.

"It was an injury thing, and we put too much pressure on him," Vermeil said. "The emphasis on press coverage and the safeties not getting there to help him... you gradually find out what certain people can do and handle. People would audible against our blitz looks and man looks and take a shot at him and he'd have his guy covered and the guy would be 2 or 3 inches taller and the safety wouldn't get there to help him. We've adjusted that a little bit to help the entire scheme, let alone Dexter."

In his defense, McCleon played much of last season with nagging injuries, including a bad shoulder that needed off-season surgery.

"The main thing is to get back healthy and get my shoulder back as close to 100 percent as possible so I can get back to doing the things I'm capable of doing, the things I was limited on last year," he said.
Ideally, the Chiefs would prefer to leave McCleon as their nickelback. He probably will move back to that role when Warfield returns, but for now, the Chiefs don't have that option.

He figures to see plenty of action in the first four games as opponents throw away from Surtain.

"People throw the ball a ton in the NFL, so you'd better expect that no matter who you are," McCleon said. "As a corner, you can't shy away from anybody. I've been in this situation before playing with Aeneas Williams and Todd Lyght (with St. Louis). It won't be any different for me.

"In this league, you've got so many great players. Guys are going to make their plays, and you're going to make some plays."

Sapp is the nickelback. The Chiefs also have Ambrose and Washington, and at least one probably will make the opening day roster.

Also in the mix are rookies Alphonso Hodge and Justin Perkins. Both have shown some promise.

Then there's Warfield, who missed some practice time this week because of a sore back and may not play tonight. The Chiefs walked the delicate line in camp between getting Warfield enough work to last him through the suspension -- he can't practice during that time --and getting ready for those first four games.

Warfield received little work early in camp and more as time went on until the back soreness.

"It's not going to be enough," Warfield said. "I just need to stay with it in the time I do have off. Right now, I don't know whether I'm going to Arizona or Colorado because (his agents) have workout programs out there for professional athletes.

"We'll make that decision when the time comes. Right now, I've just got to make the best of the preseason games and whatever practice time I get."

Warfield, a four-year starter, is used to getting matched up against big-time receivers like Randy Moss and Cris Carter when the Chiefs play the Vikings. Last week, he was sent out with the other backups to play against receivers he'd never seen or heard of.


"Going up against guys that are threes and fours (on the depth chart) doesn't give you a lot of motivation to go out and give your best," he said. "I can't say I did bad. But I'm not going to say it was my best. I have to take advantage of this time. I have to do better."

chop
08-20-2005, 05:37 AM
"Going up against guys that are threes and fours (on the depth chart) doesn't give you a lot of motivation to go out and give your best," he said. "I can't say I did bad. But I'm not going to say it was my best. I have to take advantage of this time. I have to do better."

Shouldn't pride in what you do be motivation enough?

the Talking Can
08-20-2005, 05:46 AM
"People would audible against our blitz looks and man looks and take a shot at him and he'd have his guy covered (right......) "

it's going to be deja-vu all over again the first 4 games....

Bob Dole
08-20-2005, 05:48 AM
Then there's Warfield, who missed some practice time this week because of a sore back and may not play tonight.

Wasn't the back his excuse all of last season?

"Back pain": the universal excuse for drawing workers comp and ****ing up.

Saul Good
08-20-2005, 08:37 AM
How many teams in the NFL break camp saying, "We're very confident in our #2 and #3 corners." It's a concern that everyone has for their team. Hopefully we can mask it by rotating a safety over to help McCleon until Warfield gets back.

jiveturkey
08-20-2005, 08:41 AM
Wasn't the back his excuse all of last season?I don't remember Warfield making excuses last year???

Zebedee DuBois
08-20-2005, 09:02 AM
Shouldn't pride in what you do be motivation enough?

I found that quote of his a little troubling, as well.

the Talking Can
08-20-2005, 09:06 AM
Shouldn't pride in what you do be motivation enough?

I'll let Jr. Siavii field that question....

Saul Good
08-20-2005, 09:15 AM
I don't remember Warfield making excuses last year???

I don't either. He was one of the only bright spots on our defense last year.

ROYC75
08-20-2005, 09:39 AM
Wasn't the back his excuse all of last season?

"Back pain": the universal excuse for drawing workers comp and ****ing up.


Me thinks you have 2003 and 2004 confused ? :hmmm:

SDChief
08-20-2005, 09:44 AM
sounds to me like warfield is pouting. He needs to get over it. I'm sure he's seen the commercials on TV: You drink, You drive, You LOSE. I just hope that someone can hold down the fort on his side till he gets back, and that he comes back ready when his suspension is over.

alanm
08-20-2005, 09:47 AM
Teicher- KC uneasy at cornerback.


Well gee... There's a revelation of earth shattering proportions right there in that headline. I don't know how Teicher does it. :eek:

Rain Man
08-20-2005, 09:54 AM
"Going up against guys that are threes and fours (on the depth chart) doesn't give you a lot of motivation to go out and give your best," he said. "I can't say I did bad. But I'm not going to say it was my best. I have to take advantage of this time. I have to do better."


Holy hall of fame. You should be devouring those guys and spitting out the bones if you're a starter. You should be proving that you're going to help the team when you come back. You should be doing everything you can to offset the damage and humiliation of not playing for the first four games. Sheesh.

oldandslow
08-20-2005, 10:04 AM
Yeah, that's pretty poor.

We are going to have problems at the #2.

Moss (high or not) and Porter are licking their chops.

jynni
08-20-2005, 10:07 AM
Our only hope is that someone can kill the QB before he has a chance to throw the ball.

TEX
08-20-2005, 10:16 AM
When you consider the sorry -ass shape of our D-line, it makes our CB situation that much worse. IMO, we're in such sorry shape because we stayed pat after '03. We made significant changes this year and for that I'm glad, but we're still short on defensive talent because it's just too big of a job to get it all done in 1 off season with as many holes to fill as we had. Now all we can do is hope it works out.

Dave Lane
08-20-2005, 10:26 AM
Our only hope is that someone can kill the QB before he has a chance to throw the ball.

Yeah like our line is going to get pressure! They can't even beatup a cop... ROFL

Dave

mrbiggz
08-20-2005, 10:28 AM
We knew warfield was going to be suspended and we bring in two bumbs in ambrose and washington when we could of had someone like boldin from the jags or nick harper from the colts those guys arent all pro and wouldnt have cost an arm and a leg. they both are fairly young and may be ascending players. WHY DID WE BRING IN THESE BUMBS!!!!!!!!

Mr. Laz
08-20-2005, 10:34 AM
Shouldn't pride in what you do be motivation enough?

that's exactly what i thought

Mr. Laz
08-20-2005, 10:37 AM
Wasn't the back his excuse all of last season?

"Back pain": the universal excuse for drawing workers comp and ****ing up.
I don't remember Warfield making excuses last year???
Me thinks you have 2003 and 2004 confused ? :hmmm:

yea ... i believe the sore back excuses were the year before last

PHOG
08-20-2005, 10:50 AM
Shouldn't pride in what you do be motivation enough?
Pride? What is this commodity you speak of? :(

:shake: I'm not sure he relates to this term?

Pride..... ROFL








:deevee:

Wile_E_Coyote
08-20-2005, 11:43 AM
We knew warfield was going to be suspended and we bring in two bumbs in ambrose and washington when we could of had someone like boldin from the jags or nick harper from the colts those guys arent all pro and wouldnt have cost an arm and a leg. they both are fairly young and may be ascending players. WHY DID WE BRING IN THESE BUMBS!!!!!!!!

who ever was brought in would have to beat out Warfield or become the nickelback. I don't see how beating out Warfield for the #2 spot would be viewed as automatic. First four games, yes

whoman69
08-20-2005, 02:06 PM
Does Teicher get all his stuff from Yahoo? Talk about Captain Obvious.

McCleon will be burnt because he is not in the right scheme anymore in KC. He is simply not physical enough to do it, nor does he have the size.

Douche Baggins
08-20-2005, 02:07 PM
So Benny Sapp sucks too?

tk13
08-20-2005, 02:10 PM
See, if we'd signed Kelly Herndon, we wouldn't have had this problem... :)

Douche Baggins
08-20-2005, 02:12 PM
Hey another short corner! HE SUCKS! :rolleyes:

Rausch
08-20-2005, 02:15 PM
Warfield has had a ****ed up back for nearly 5 years. IIRC last year was the first he said it didn't bother him.

Hate to say it, but between the suspension, his back, and his additude I expect another suck-tacular season out of Warfield...

tk13
08-20-2005, 02:18 PM
Hey another short corner! HE SUCKS! :rolleyes:
Hey! You laugh! I said all along I'd like to seen us sign Herndon and another corner, we'd been able to sign Bell AND Hartwell, and been able to keep our 2nd round pick and draft somebody like Matt Roth or a DT/CB maybe.

DE - Hicks/Roth
DT - Dalton
DT - Sims
DE - Allen/Hall
LB - Bell
LB - Hartwell
LB - Johnson
CB - Herndon
CB - Another CB
CB - Warfield
S - Knight
S - Wesley

Betcha that's a better defense than the one we put on the field this year. Although that's based on the fact I think corners are extremely overrated in today's NFL compared to having a solid front 7.

Douche Baggins
08-20-2005, 02:25 PM
I wanted Herndon, too. I was making fun of retards who think short corners are the devil.

tk13
08-20-2005, 02:34 PM
Well usually I don't like short corners either... but I've watched Herndon play enough to think he can be physical enough to survive. He can actually play bump and run, unlike McCleon, who we have to play 10 yards off the ball to survive.

Saul Good
08-20-2005, 03:05 PM
Our only hope is that someone can kill the QB before he has a chance to throw the ball.

So you're saying it's hopeless, huh?

milkman
08-20-2005, 06:17 PM
Well usually I don't like short corners either... but I've watched Herndon play enough to think he can be physical enough to survive. He can actually play bump and run, unlike McCleon, who we have to play 10 yards off the ball to survive.

Which is the reason I'd like to see Benny Sapp get a shot at that #2 spot,
He is, despite his lack of size, still a hard hitting physical player at CB.

SNR
08-20-2005, 06:23 PM
McPasson DID get some good contact first 5 yards in the Minnesota game.

We'll see tonight

Saul Good
08-20-2005, 08:13 PM
Which is the reason I'd like to see Benny Sapp get a shot at that #2 spot,
He is, despite his lack of size, still a hard hitting physical player at CB.

I never really had an opinion either way on Sapp. Tonight, he's been the man. What a great game.

jiveturkey
08-20-2005, 08:15 PM
I never really had an opinion either way on Sapp. Tonight, he's been the man. What a great game.They sure love blitzing the little fella. I want to see what he can do in coverage.

Douche Baggins
08-03-2006, 05:56 PM
What a difference a year makes.

jAZ
08-03-2006, 06:29 PM
What a difference a year makes.
I read that and thought "Adam Teicher is such a fuggin scrub."

I guess I technically *have* to take that back now.