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chiefsfan58
08-20-2005, 08:46 PM
This is absurd... what a POS. This is gonna cost come playoff time...

Kerberos
08-20-2005, 08:57 PM
This is absurd... what a POS. This is gonna cost come playoff time...


At this point in preseason who would you suggest we bring in to battle for the position ???

It's kinda late to be getting any quality kickers that would be any better than what we got IMO.

Not that I think Tynes deserves a roster spot ... but we don't have allot of choice either.

Is Morton Anderson still kicking? :hmmm:

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ArrowheadHawk
08-20-2005, 09:05 PM
i think they just need to get him some competition

mikey23545
08-20-2005, 09:07 PM
Come playoff time?!!?!?!

What difference will it make who kicked for the Chiefs while the playoffs are on?

Electric
08-20-2005, 09:08 PM
Come playoff time?!!?!?!

What difference will it make who kicked for the Chiefs while the playoffs are on?

Watch and see, you might be surprised.

Mecca
08-20-2005, 09:08 PM
Well, Carl is talking now and his tone of voice and comments made it sound as though Tynes just got himself cut.

LiL stumppy
08-20-2005, 09:11 PM
Is Morton Anderson still kicking? :hmmm:

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Yea atleast he would made it WHEN he did kick it.Hehe

htismaqe
08-20-2005, 09:12 PM
Yea atleast he would made it WHEN he did kick it.Hehe

Just make sure we're inside the 25.

tommykat
08-20-2005, 09:13 PM
Well, Carl is talking now and his tone of voice and comments made it sound as though Tynes just got himself cut.

I heard that...............sounds like Tynes is a gone...:deevee: :clap:

DaKCMan AP
08-20-2005, 10:24 PM
The Vikings have Paul Edinger and Aaron Elling. One of them will get cut.

htismaqe
08-20-2005, 10:32 PM
The Vikings have Paul Edinger and Aaron Elling. One of them will get cut.

One of them will get cut, but both of them will continue to SUCK.

Seriously, why does everybody keep bringing this up?

Lawrence Tynes, career: 17-23 FG (74%), 58-60 PAT

Paul Edinger, career: 110-146 (75%), 133-133 PAT
Aaron Elling, career: 19-27 (70%), 50-50 PAT

tk13
08-20-2005, 10:40 PM
Those numbers are kinda deceiving, as Edinger has been 41-60 the last couple years, just above 67% or so...

blsilks
08-20-2005, 10:42 PM
Tynes last words will be "HEY CARL, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THAT SLING BLADE?"

blsilks
08-20-2005, 10:46 PM
I say cut Tynes and add an extra linebacker. We can make up for not having a kicker by always going for the onside kick and 2 point conversions.

Mr. Kotter
08-20-2005, 10:53 PM
It was a big mistake not bringing somebody, anybody, in to compete....Tynes seemed to need that.

htismaqe
08-21-2005, 05:36 AM
Those numbers are kinda deceiving, as Edinger has been 41-60 the last couple years, just above 67% or so...

Yep. My point was to show that even AT BEST, Elling and Edinger suck just as bad as Tynes, if not worse.

HemiEd
08-21-2005, 06:08 AM
Wheels are wobblin' on the Tynes band wagon, did not go very far. :rolleyes:

4th and Long
08-21-2005, 06:12 AM
Wheels are wobblin' on the Tynes band wagon, did not go very far. :rolleyes:
After missing that second kick last night, I believe the sonic force create by the fans booing so loudly knocked those wheels right the hell off that wagon.

Count Zarth
08-21-2005, 06:24 AM
OK. I have to agree, sadly. Two misses under 40 yards in two preseason games is definitely a concern.

At the same time, I don't really see anyone better out there, although you could argue if he continues to miss, there is.

Just say no to Todd Peterson.

Electric
08-21-2005, 06:25 AM
OK. I have to agree, sadly. Two misses under 40 yards in two preseason games is definitely a concern.

At the same time, I don't really see anyone better out there, although you could argue if he continues to miss, there is.

Just say no to Todd Peterson.

Isn't TP already kicking for someone?

Count Zarth
08-21-2005, 06:26 AM
I thought someone said he was a free agent or a possible cut last week.

Who is available?

HemiEd
08-21-2005, 06:30 AM
After missing that second kick last night, I believe the sonic force create by the fans booing so loudly knocked those wheels right the hell off that wagon.


I am suprised no one is blaming Dick V. for this. We all know how he "fuggs with the kickers." :rolleyes:







But he has been very supportive of Tynes this fall, so that can not be it. :doh!:

4th and Long
08-21-2005, 06:35 AM
I am suprised no one is blaming Dick V. for this. We all know how he "fuggs with the kickers." :rolleyes:

But he has been very supportive of Tynes this fall, so that can not be it. :doh!:
Grandpa Dick has made a conscience effort to stay away from Tynes this year. He said something to the effect of, every time he goes near a kicker with anything critical to say whatsoever, the kicker goes to hell in a hand basket.

HemiEd
08-21-2005, 06:44 AM
Grandpa Dick has made a conscience effort to stay away from Tynes this year. He said something to the effect of, every time he goes near a kicker with anything critical to say whatsoever, the kicker goes to hell in a hand basket.


Exactly, he has tried everything. I think the reason no competitors for Tynes were brought in was an effort to try a different strategy. Last year he had a tendancy to try and kick it too hard, similar to over swinging in Golf. I think giving him a relaxed atmosphere was an effort to solve this, but it did not work.

Kickers! :banghead:

PastorMikH
08-21-2005, 07:40 AM
Tynes has the makings of a good kicker. But right now he has no confidence and now is not the time to try to build a kicker's confidence. He may have another pre-season game left to show a different side since the first cuts won't be made for another week. There should be a good number of kickers in the reject pile to sort through after cuts are made.

Personally, I'd rather see him get his head on straight and start kicking, but he's getting progressively worse instead of better and from what Carl was saying last night, it sounds like Tynes is already gone.

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
08-21-2005, 07:44 AM
I just can't believe that out of all the former kickers floting around this league, all the arena football kickers, Canadian League kickers, recently graduated College kickers, Australian rules Football kickers, European or English League Soccer Players, etc., our scouting department can't find <b>ONE</b> person to come in and at least give Tynes some competetion?

No, <b>I</b> don't have a name off the top of my head, but then again <b>I'm</b> not being paid to be a talent scout either.

mlyonsd
08-21-2005, 07:47 AM
I'll bet last night after the game DV privately met with Saunders and told him to come up with 50 or 60 new plays specifically for 4th downs.

There's nothing worse then a kicker with no confidence.

OPChief
08-21-2005, 08:00 AM
What exactly did Carl say?

tomahawk kid
08-21-2005, 08:01 AM
Tynes is outta here. You could hear it in Carl's voice last night.

Morten Anderson is still out there. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Chiefs are going to have another go round with old man winter.....

If that's the case, I'd like to see them carry another kicker for KO's, but I know Vermiel won't do that.

Count Zarth
08-21-2005, 08:19 AM
Be nice if Colquitt could do kickoffs.

greg63
08-21-2005, 08:48 AM
Tynes may be going through a slump, but we need someone who is game ready now. I seem to remember a playoff game a few years back with the Colts where if the kicker, who shall forever remain nameless, makes just one of his four or five field goals - we win. This position is crucial, and we need someone who can do the job. I just don't know who that would be.

TRing
08-21-2005, 08:53 AM
I tried to tell you guys last week and I will say it again. I like Tynes but he is so inconsistant.

Bring in some competition for the last two preseason games and light a fire under his ass.

The problem is.... I think that Tynes might be the best kicker out there right now available.

We'll see.. but something has to happen.

jspchief
08-21-2005, 08:22 PM
What exactly will "competition" accomplish? Is he slacking in practice? He's supposed to perform better under more pressure? I'm sure he realizes that if he keeps it up, he's going to lose his job. He doesn't need competition to figure that out.


The simple truth is, there are only about 15 decent kickers in the world. KC doesn't appear to have one of them. They aren't the only team with a sh*tty kicker either. And the reason all those other names are out there is because they all suck too.

I'd just as soon stick with Tynes. At least he's a young kid that might grow into a good kicker. These journeymen guys have had a chance to grow, and still suck. I've already said I think Tynes will lose us a game this year, but even feeling that way, I don't think there's someone better out there.

TEX
08-21-2005, 08:32 PM
Tynes is outta here. You could hear it in Carl's voice last night.

Morten Anderson is still out there. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Chiefs are going to have another go round with old man winter.....

If that's the case, I'd like to see them carry another kicker for KO's, but I know Vermiel won't do that.


Then I hope we can 'P for K" when kicking off!

Halfcan
08-22-2005, 12:21 AM
I think we will be stuck with Tynes unless you want one of the dancing Gramatica brothers. Maybe we can get a two for one special. One kicks the other dances when he makes it.

greg63
08-22-2005, 12:50 AM
What exactly will "competition" accomplish? Is he slacking in practice? He's supposed to perform better under more pressure? I'm sure he realizes that if he keeps it up, he's going to lose his job. He doesn't need competition to figure that out.


The simple truth is, there are only about 15 decent kickers in the world. KC doesn't appear to have one of them. They aren't the only team with a sh*tty kicker either. And the reason all those other names are out there is because they all suck too.

I'd just as soon stick with Tynes. At least he's a young kid that might grow into a good kicker. These journeymen guys have had a chance to grow, and still suck. I've already said I think Tynes will lose us a game this year, but even feeling that way, I don't think there's someone better out there.
I just hope the game he loses for us isn't in the post season. But, I think your right - I don't know that there's anyone else out there that's any better. I just hope Tynes can crawl out of his slump before then.

el borracho
08-22-2005, 12:54 AM
All kickers miss kicks. Tynes is still young and could become better (seems like kickers sometimes take a while to get it). In any case, you don't cut a talented kicker for preseason misses.

Tynes stays until he starts screwing up the regular or post season.

B_Ambuehl
08-22-2005, 12:56 AM
Where is the Cowboys old kicker from a couple of years ago playing or is he? I can't remember his name but he was also a school teacher....pretty good kicker from what I recall but they brought in Cundiff who seemed to win the job for his range even though he was less consistent.

Halfcan
08-22-2005, 12:59 AM
hey greg63- that is a tough looking kid-can he kick field goals? How about push the center off the ball and smash a QB, cause if he can't kick he can still take Simms spot.

greg63
08-22-2005, 01:57 AM
hey greg63- that is a tough looking kid-can he kick field goals? How about push the center off the ball and smash a QB, cause if he can't kick he can still take Simms spot.
Thanks Halfcan, but shhhhhh - don't say that too loud his head is too big to get through the front door as it is. LOL! Well, he tried to practice kicking once, it was embarrassing. But, he does happen to play Simms position, and right guard, but I think the Chiefs are pretty solid at that position.

Electric
08-22-2005, 03:55 AM
Tynes is outta here. You could hear it in Carl's voice last night.

Morten Anderson is still out there. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Chiefs are going to have another go round with old man winter.....

If that's the case, I'd like to see them carry another kicker for KO's, but I know Vermiel won't do that.

If you were Anderson would you come back to the Chiefs?

ExtremeChief
08-22-2005, 04:54 AM
If you were Anderson would you come back to the Chiefs?

Hell yes. He could either go to whoever will have him, or sit at home and not get the records he wants.

Skip Towne
08-22-2005, 05:20 AM
I just can't believe that out of all the former kickers floting around this league, all the arena football kickers, Canadian League kickers, recently graduated College kickers, Australian rules Football kickers, European or English League Soccer Players, etc., our scouting department can't find <b>ONE</b> person to come in and at least give Tynes some competetion?

No, <b>I</b> don't have a name off the top of my head, but then again <b>I'm</b> not being paid to be a talent scout either.
I'd also check Montana State for Norwegian skiers.

Skip Towne
08-22-2005, 05:24 AM
All kickers miss kicks. Tynes is still young and could become better (seems like kickers sometimes take a while to get it). In any case, you don't cut a talented kicker for preseason misses.

Tynes stays until he starts screwing up the regular or post season.
Yep. Nick Lowery was cut eight times before we got him.

BigRedChief
08-22-2005, 07:12 AM
Tynes stays until he starts screwing up the regular or post season.

So you are saying until he pulls a Linn Elliot he stays? Okay got it.

htismaqe
08-22-2005, 08:00 AM
If you were Anderson would you come back to the Chiefs?

According to Holthus, Andersen wasn't happy with the Chiefs and probably wouldn't come back here.

Brock
08-22-2005, 08:05 AM
If you were Anderson would you come back to the Chiefs?

As opposed to sitting around unpaid? Yes, of course he would.

I sure as hell don't want him back though.

greg63
08-22-2005, 08:08 AM
According to Holthus, Andersen wasn't happy with the Chiefs and probably wouldn't come back here.

I must have been on Mars when this occured.:hmmm: What happened between Anderson and the Chiefs organization?

BigRedChief
08-22-2005, 08:15 AM
I must have been on Mars when this occured.:hmmm: What happened between Anderson and the Chiefs organization?

Same old story. He's comfortable. Gonna kick till he's 50. Drinks wine with DV. Misses a few kicks. Competion in spring training. loses battle and gets cut. Becomes bitter towards former team.

htismaqe
08-22-2005, 08:23 AM
Same old story. He's comfortable. Gonna kick till he's 50. Drinks wine with DV. Misses a few kicks. Competion in spring training. loses battle and gets cut. Becomes bitter towards former team.

Yep.

BIG_DADDY
08-22-2005, 09:29 AM
Tynes isn't going anywhere.

jidar1
08-22-2005, 09:31 AM
Tynes isn't going anywhere.


In more ways than one. :banghead: :banghead:

greg63
08-22-2005, 09:38 AM
Same old story. He's comfortable. Gonna kick till he's 50. Drinks wine with DV. Misses a few kicks. Competion in spring training. loses battle and gets cut. Becomes bitter towards former team.

Oh, ok. It figures.

tomahawk kid
08-22-2005, 09:52 AM
Tynes isn't going anywhere.

I don't know. I just heard a sound bite on 610 and Tynes was inferring that his misses were Colquitts fault.

Doesn't sounds like a "profile" guy to me. His play, coupled with the incident in River Falls should get his a$$ cut......

jynni
08-22-2005, 09:53 AM
I just heard a sound bite on 610 and Tynes was inferring that his misses were Colquitts fault.
LACES OUT!!!

Brock
08-22-2005, 09:55 AM
Tynes isn't going anywhere.

I dunno. Peterson basically hung a toe-tag on him during his pressbox interview during the game.

BIG_DADDY
08-22-2005, 10:01 AM
I don't know. I just heard a sound bite on 610 and Tynes was inferring that his misses were Colquitts fault.

Doesn't sounds like a "profile" guy to me. His play, coupled with the incident in River Falls should get his a$$ cut......

I am not sure what to do about it at this point. I wouldn't hold breaking a bouncers nose against him but missing the way he is now is a big concern especially this close to regular season. Who's available?

TRR
08-22-2005, 10:04 AM
I just liked the vibe I got when Morten Andersen was kicking here. I wouldn't mind having that vibe again with Mort or Gary, or even Steve Christie.

I'm a fan of the old, veteran kickers. The old reliable....

htismaqe
08-22-2005, 10:04 AM
Well, in all honesty, the team has talked about Colquitt and his holding. He IS a rookie.

That being said, even IF it's a valid excuse for Tynes missing kicks in training camp, what was his excuse LAST YEAR?!?!

tomahawk kid
08-22-2005, 10:06 AM
I just liked the vibe I got when Morten Andersen was kicking here. I wouldn't mind having that vibe again with Mort or Gary, or even Steve Christie.

I'm a fan of the old, veteran kickers. The old reliable....

Sounds like Holtus shot that idea down on the radio this morning.

Mitch inferred Morty was pretty bitter when he was cut last year. I'm seriously about ready to jump on the "bring Stenerud out of retirement" bandwagon....... :)

TRR
08-22-2005, 10:06 AM
Well, in all honesty, the team has talked about Colquitt and his holding. He IS a rookie.

That being said, even IF it's a valid excuse for Tynes missing kicks in training camp, what was his excuse LAST YEAR?!?!

Exactly. Tynes has rubbed me the wrong way. It's time for him to be cut. His accuracy problems are beyond repair in my mind. He cut his own throat when he decided to get arrested in River Falls.

BIG_DADDY
08-22-2005, 10:56 AM
Exactly. Tynes has rubbed me the wrong way. It's time for him to be cut. His accuracy problems are beyond repair in my mind. He cut his own throat when he decided to get arrested in River Falls.

I have issues with his kicking but he should get a metal for breaking a bouncers nose. I can't believe those of you that want him cut for that.

Predarat
08-22-2005, 11:03 AM
Gary Anderson did a great job for the Titans the past two years. Pretty much money from 45 in but you either need a KO specialist or punter to handle the long kicks.

Count Zarth
08-22-2005, 11:16 AM
Well, in all honesty, the team has talked about Colquitt and his holding. He IS a rookie.

That being said, even IF it's a valid excuse for Tynes missing kicks in training camp, what was his excuse LAST YEAR?!?!

I don't follow you here. Tynes only missed six kicks last year, and one of them was blocked.

htismaqe
08-22-2005, 11:31 AM
I don't follow you here. Tynes only missed six kicks last year, and one of them was blocked.

He also missed two PAT's.

Tynes has been inconsistent ever since he got here, and he really hasn't been better, or worse, this preseason. He's still just inconsistent.

If he had been GOOD last year, I could see it, but right now, blaming his problems on the rookie punter is Bush league at best.

Calcountry
08-22-2005, 11:37 AM
i think they just need to get him some competitionDoes anyone know if that bouncer can kick field goals? That would light a fire under his ass.

el borracho
08-22-2005, 11:37 AM
Well, in all honesty, the team has talked about Colquitt and his holding. He IS a rookie.

That being said, even IF it's a valid excuse for Tynes missing kicks in training camp, what was his excuse LAST YEAR?!?!
First off, I disagree that Tynes had a bad year last year. He made some good kicks and some bad kicks. It happens with all kickers.

Secondly, Tynes was a rookie last year. If Colquitt gets a pass on his holds this year because he is a rookie then Tynes should get a pass on his performance in his rookie year, no?

htismaqe
08-22-2005, 11:43 AM
First off, I disagree that Tynes had a bad year last year. He made some good kicks and some bad kicks. It happens with all kickers.

Secondly, Tynes was a rookie last year. If Colquitt gets a pass on his holds this year because he is a rookie then Tynes should get a pass on his performance in his rookie year, no?

I NEVER said Tynes had a "bad" year last year. I said he was no better or worse this year than last, yet he appears to be blaming this year on the new holder.

And nobody is giving anybody a pass. But Tynes should sack up instead of trying to pass the buck.

jidar1
08-22-2005, 11:49 AM
And nobody is giving anybody a pass. But Tynes should sack up instead of trying to pass the buck.

What if it really is the holding?

htismaqe
08-22-2005, 11:54 AM
What if it really is the holding?

Then I will ask again, why did he miss 2 PAT's LAST YEAR? He can't blame that on Colquitt.

Count Zarth
08-22-2005, 11:56 AM
Again, I have to disagree.

Last year he missed 6 field goals out of 23 attempts.

This year he's missed 3 field goals out of 7.

Something is wrong. Last year he usually hooked his misses, this year, he hooked the first miss and the other two just went straight.

el borracho
08-22-2005, 12:02 PM
Then I will ask again, why did he miss 2 PAT's LAST YEAR? He can't blame that on Colquitt.
I guess I would have to answer your question with another question: How many abodiginals do you see in modeling?

Oh, and why did Morten Anderson miss the short kick in the playoffs?




The answer is because all kickers miss kicks. Tynes was a rookie last year. Give him a break.

Count Zarth
08-22-2005, 12:03 PM
At this point I'm chalking up the extra points to "freak occurrence."

If he shanks two more this year, though...

Chief Chief
08-22-2005, 12:15 PM
Why isn't Todd "Mr. Maytag Repairman" Collins being the holder anymore? Does he have too many charts to take care of on the sideline?

htismaqe
08-22-2005, 12:16 PM
I guess I would have to answer your question with another question: How many abodiginals do you see in modeling?

Oh, and why did Morten Anderson miss the short kick in the playoffs?

The answer is because all kickers miss kicks. Tynes was a rookie last year. Give him a break.

I'm seriously resisting the need to ask you if you're dense.

I'm NOT FAULTING Tynes for missing kicks. EVERY kicker misses kicks.

Not every kicker BLAMES HIS HOLDER FOR HIS PROBLEMS. That's what I take issue with, if he did it.

carlos3652
08-22-2005, 12:39 PM
I'm seriously resisting the need to ask you if you're dense.

I'm NOT FAULTING Tynes for missing kicks. EVERY kicker misses kicks.

Not every kicker BLAMES HIS HOLDER FOR HIS PROBLEMS. That's what I take issue with, if he did it.

Im not sure if I follow you on this...

Every Kicker makes mistakes - you agree

Tynes did not have a bad year last year considering that he was a rookie. - you agree

This Preseason and in TC he is more inconsistent than last year - you agree

But in no possible way can the holder have anything to do with the misses? Why not? He has missed 2 <40 in PS in 2 games, how many <40 did he miss last year in 16 games.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt for the last 2 PS games, have collins hold next game, if he still misses the <40 fg then we have an issue. Not sure who to replace him with, because even after the cuts he will be the best available out there...

But I think he will be ok... I cant believe that Carl and DV are so eager to bitch about their K/P/ST players but when it comes to the shitty D players, (lets given them 1 more year to prove themselves...) they get a whole season.

We are giving tynes the boot after 2 ps games... Think about it... SD should cut their K in a heartbeat if we go by this philosophy...

He will be ok...

htismaqe
08-22-2005, 01:02 PM
Im not sure if I follow you on this...

Every Kicker makes mistakes - you agree

Tynes did not have a bad year last year considering that he was a rookie. - you agree

This Preseason and in TC he is more inconsistent than last year - you agree

But in no possible way can the holder have anything to do with the misses? Why not? He has missed 2 <40 in PS in 2 games, how many <40 did he miss last year in 16 games.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt for the last 2 PS games, have collins hold next game, if he still misses the <40 fg then we have an issue. Not sure who to replace him with, because even after the cuts he will be the best available out there...

But I think he will be ok... I cant believe that Carl and DV are so eager to bitch about their K/P/ST players but when it comes to the shitty D players, (lets given them 1 more year to prove themselves...) they get a whole season.

We are giving tynes the boot after 2 ps games... Think about it... SD should cut their K in a heartbeat if we go by this philosophy...

He will be ok...

Kickers make mistakes - I agree.

Tynes is worse this year than last - I DON'T agree.

We heard the same things from DV last year that we hear this year all through camp. He's "inconsistent". He hits 2 and then misses one.

Yes, it COULD be the holder. But to say that, in a radio interview? That's passing the buck plain and simple, and it's not something that team players do.

Halfcan
08-22-2005, 01:14 PM
I heard the interview-and he said "WE" will get it worked out. He never shed blame. But he did say "We" so that says to me there is a holding issue this year that possibly wasn't there last year. What if he goes 4 for 4 this weekend then what? Do we still bring in an old guy and carry two kickers a punter and a long snapper-that just seems silly to me.

carlos3652
08-22-2005, 01:17 PM
Kickers make mistakes - I agree.

Tynes is worse this year than last - I DON'T agree.

We heard the same things from DV last year that we hear this year all through camp. He's "inconsistent". He hits 2 and then misses one.

Yes, it COULD be the holder. But to say that, in a radio interview? That's passing the buck plain and simple, and it's not something that team players do.

Ok... that makes sense, I like your point of view on most of the things you post, just didnt get this one....

carlos3652
08-22-2005, 01:23 PM
I heard the interview-and he said "WE" will get it worked out. He never shed blame. But he did say "We" so that says to me there is a holding issue this year that possibly wasn't there last year. What if he goes 4 for 4 this weekend then what? Do we still bring in an old guy and carry two kickers a punter and a long snapper-that just seems silly to me.

I dont think we carry 2 kickers, I dont think we will cut Tynes... We might bring competition but I think Tynes deserves a chance.

If he is no worse than last year (Preseason/Camp) he should have another ok to solid year...

Last year he made

12/13 <40
3/6 >40-49
2/4 >50

carlos3652
08-22-2005, 01:37 PM
Other Stats to consider...

4-5 Kickers who attempted 50+ XP last 2 years missed

2004
Tynes (2) 60 XPA
Vanderjaqt (1) 60 XPA
Kaeding (1) 55 XPA

2003
M. Anderson (1) 59 XPA
Longwell (0) 51 XPA


Also those people wanting Anderson back are crazy...

2003 KC STATS

11/11 <40
5/8 <40-49
0/1 <50 (We had to punt or go for it on anything over 45 yards)
58/59 XP
And he kicked off for shite

2004 Vikings Stats (almost the same as Tynes) but indoors...

13/16 <40
4/6 <40-49
0/0 <50 (They had to punt or go for it on anything over 45 yards)
KO was shite

htismaqe
08-22-2005, 01:38 PM
Ok... that makes sense, I like your point of view on most of the things you post, just didnt get this one....

Yeah, I don't have a big problem with him missing kicks...YET.

My problem is that he's reportedly blaming his problems on his holder in public. I don't care how much I dislike a co-worker, I take up my problems with them, not everyone else in the office.

carlos3652
08-22-2005, 01:47 PM
My problem is that he's reportedly blaming his problems on his holder in public. I don't care how much I dislike a co-worker, I take up my problems with them, not everyone else in the office.

Unless the media made this bigger than what is was... Tynes said "we" need to work on getting better, I dont think he flat out said that it wasnt his fault and that it was Dustin's fault for holding,

I think that the media is assuming that the holding is an issue at this point...

Kinda like in the office if there are any issues, an account manager says "we" are working on a better solution, people take it as an internal issue and not as a personal issue... Hope this makes sense... its hard for me to understand this... ROFL...

Rausch
08-22-2005, 01:49 PM
I dont think we carry 2 kickers, I dont think we will cut Tynes... We might bring competition but I think Tynes deserves a chance.

If he is no worse than last year (Preseason/Camp) he should have another ok to solid year...

Last year he made

12/13 <40
3/6 >40-49
2/4 >50

It's the the misses, it's the situation.

Morton Anderson is not here because of the kick he missed against the Colts. Period.

**** that preseason he got cut. He was here because he was clutch, gay-ron-teed pts in the heat of battle. A lock.

After that Colts game he wasn't. And that was a kick he made 99 out of 100 times. Hard to argue it wasn't a pressure miss.

Same with Tynes. That Texans game was terrible. The whole game. Kickoffs, all of it. We can have a kicker miss a kick, but not a kicker that gets in a funk and doesn't come out of it until the next week after DV and co. have had 5 days to rub his balls and make him feel better.

In conclusion: missing kicks happens and should be accepted as part of the position, $#itting in your hat in pressure situations should not.

Count Zarth
08-22-2005, 01:51 PM
What are you talking about, Rausch? Tynes had a bad game in Jacksonville, but the only other time he had a pressure kick to make, he nailed it against Oakland.

carlos3652
08-22-2005, 02:00 PM
Morton Anderson is not here because of the kick he missed against the Colts. Period.


I agree but we couldnt ask him to make a kick over 40... and he could not KO...

Area 51
08-22-2005, 02:05 PM
After reading all the posts here I'd guess that if the Chiefs keep Tynes he will be the step child that nobody wanted. One miss and the world will collapse around him.

I don't know what to think of his ability, but given there are no big names out there what choices do we have? Call up some of the area college kickers that didn't get drafted?

At any rate, go for a skiier. It worked twice before!!!

carlos3652
08-22-2005, 02:05 PM
In conclusion: missing kicks happens and should be accepted as part of the position, $#itting in your hat in pressure situations should not.

I dont think Tynes missed any pressure situations last year, last second misses for the win or tie....

Remember our Defense sucked and we were easy pluckings... If we had a decent D, maybe Jacksonville would have lost or tried a long FG, but if he would have made that, the Chiefs would have still lost, but by a point less...

Rausch
08-22-2005, 02:14 PM
I dont think Tynes missed any pressure situations last year, last second misses for the win or tie....

Remember our Defense sucked and we were easy pluckings... If we had a decent D, maybe Jacksonville would have lost or tried a long FG, but if he would have made that, the Chiefs would have still lost, but by a point less...

Looking back that was a team effort in teh suck. He wasn't the only guy ****ing up...

carlos3652
08-22-2005, 02:19 PM
Looking back that was a team effort in teh suck. He wasn't the only guy ****ing up...

Right... my point is that he was a rookie, yet had an ok year, if he does the same this year he will have an ok year... there really is no one to replace him with at this point...

i just didnt like the way people boo'd him on Sat. I was at the game, and I found it a bit concerning... his confidence is shite right now...

I will be sweating every FG and KO but I think he can have a good year...

Area 51
08-22-2005, 02:22 PM
RETRO-REFLECTION:

Wait until they announce the cuts and then go crazy. Save our sanity for another day.

TEX
08-22-2005, 02:59 PM
Kickers make mistakes - I agree.

Tynes is worse this year than last - I DON'T agree.

We heard the same things from DV last year that we hear this year all through camp. He's "inconsistent". He hits 2 and then misses one.



True but there is no denying the fact that Tynes has missed more kicks during games this preseaso than last up to this point. So, by that measurig stick - he is worse.

I agree that the holder could have somethng to do with it. :hmmm:

htismaqe
08-22-2005, 03:56 PM
True but there is no denying the fact that Tynes has missed more kicks during games this preseaso than last up to this point. So, by that measurig stick - he is worse.

I agree that the holder could have somethng to do with it. :hmmm:

According to most who were at camp, he's just as bad this year as last. So far he's missed more in games, but that's 2 games, and what like 6 attempts?

It's the repetition of camp that concerns me, and we heard basically the same thing last year -- "he missed a couple today", "he's inconsistent".

el borracho
08-22-2005, 04:19 PM
I'm seriously resisting the need to ask you if you're dense.

I'm NOT FAULTING Tynes for missing kicks. EVERY kicker misses kicks.

Not every kicker BLAMES HIS HOLDER FOR HIS PROBLEMS. That's what I take issue with, if he did it.

I guess I must be. I mistook your post Well, in all honesty, the team has talked about Colquitt and his holding. He IS a rookie.

That being said, even IF it's a valid excuse for Tynes missing kicks in training camp, what was his excuse LAST YEAR?!?!

to be a critique of Tynes performance last year.

By the way, it it Tynes or is it the team that has suggested that Colquitt is the potential problem?