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Wile_E_Coyote
08-22-2005, 03:14 PM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2005/08/22/qa_with_dick_vermeil20/

Q&A with DICK VERMEIL

Aug 22, 2005, 3:42:54 PM



DICK VERMEIL: “We’re back at it having finished analyzing the (Arizona) game from a scheme standpoint and a personnel standpoint, young players as well as vets. Now we’re in preparation for the next two days of real football practice and not preparation for any specific game. Thursday we’ll go into a little game-plan type practice vs. Seattle.

“Saturday night we’ll play our veterans a little longer and maybe into a series in the third quarter. We’ll rotate some guys that we want to see with the veterans in the first half. Fortunately, we’re getting some veterans back to play. We had a lot of guys out last Saturday night, but this week we won’t have as many.

“Offensively, I think we’ll give Will Shields some playing time for the first time. We should have Tony Gonzalez and Jason Dunn back which is going to help us. I think John Welbourn has done a pretty good job at guard even though he’s normally a left guard or right tackle. Jordan Black we’ll prepare to play more at right tackle because if Sampson isn’t ready to go we’ll have him ready to go for the Jets game.

“Defensively, we should get both defensive tackles back. John Browning we’ll hold out of contact work and not play in the game, but we’ll get Junior Siavii back. We’ll get Carlos Hall back and I think Kendrell Bell back. We’ll get Jerome Woods back, too, I think. So, there’ll be some new faces on the practice field tomorrow.

“Special teams-wise, Dante (Hall) banged his knee a little bit but the MRI was found. He had a visit to make to Houston so he was excused today.

Q: You said after the game the other night you’re going to get your first-team a little more work. Is that because they need it or…

VERMEIL: “Sure they need it. Some guys need it more than others, but we need unit work, we need cohesiveness work, we need to improve our pass protection. Therefore, that will help Trent (Green) improve his rhythm and accuracy. He’s got to get sharper and has to practice more and play more. Our receivers have to do a better job – our young guys especially. When they get in a game they break the route short and it fouls the quarterback up. All those things can be ironed out within the next three weeks.”

Q: The things you mentioned were all offensive things. Is that where your attention is?

VERMEIL: “No, that’s where I just stopped talking. We have a lot of things to do on defense yet. I thought we played better last week. I told the guys it’s glaring the way people are making improvement. But we had a shut-out in the pre-season last year in the first half. We’re not taking anything for granted.

“We had a mistake in the secondary and gave up a big play that was called. A corner was supposed to get safety deep help and he didn’t get safety deep help. In a real game if they didn’t call it back you could get beat by that one play. We have a ways to go on defense but I think it’s coming. This week we play a more experienced, gifted, successful offensive team. It’ll be a bigger challenge but I did like the growth.”

Q: You expressed some concern Saturday night with your place kicker. Has that changed at all?

VERMEIL: “No, I have concern about it. We’ve gone back and analyzed every field goal he made and missed over the last two years. We’re working around his plant and making sure it gets more consistent. When he misses it looks like he has a little different placement of his plant foot than he does when he makes it. Plus, the one he got credited for a miss the other day was tipped. So, it really wasn’t his fault, but at the same time, if it had been down the middle it wouldn’t have gotten tipped. He has a ways to go and he knows the pressure is on him.”

Q: Any plans to look at anybody right now?

VERMEIL: “Anybody that was worth bringing in we’d bring in. But that might not happen for a while. Right now it’s to see if we can’t get

Tynes through the slump. I’ve been through this so many times it seems like I have that disease, that I should know how to handle it by now.”

Q: What do you expect out of Kendrell Bell this week?

VERMEIL: “I expect him to participate in the game unless I get notice from the doctor. I think he’s sort of excited about picking up the tempo and getting more involved.”

Q: You’ve only scored one touchdown with your first team offense in two games. The one was a gift. What can you point to?

VERMEIL: “We’re just not functioning as a unit as efficiently as we did last year in the first two pre-season games. We’re aware of that and not making excuses for it. We’ve got guys not in there. You take Tony Gonzalez out of there, you take Jason Dunn out of there; you get in your goal line and short yardage and it’s a different ball game. You take your right tackle out of there; you add the experience of a Will Shields who’s out…all those things make a difference.

“Our emphasis hasn’t been placed on game planning and the typical approach we take to scoring plays. We’ve been looking at different things with different people each week. There are certain things we wanted to accomplish last week. One thing we wanted to do was score more points than we did, but we wanted to see how Kris Wilson could handle the blocking as a tight end inside. So, we found out about that.

“We wanted to do some specific things with Samie Parker and emphasize him in a game. There were different scenarios, but within those scenarios you’d like to score more points and we didn’t.”

Q: What about Warfield’s condition?

VERMEIL: “He said he could have played Saturday night but the medical staff said no.”

Q: Todd Collins?

VERMEIL: “Not ready.”

Q: Will Huard practice tomorrow?

VERMEIL: “No, he’ll be out. He’s doubtful for the week.”

Q: So, you’ve just got two quarterbacks.

VERMEIL: “I think we will bring in Jonathan Quinn sometime today or tomorrow. At least bring him in for a couple of weeks. He knows the offense and lives in town. He’s convenient and a smart guy.”

Q: We’ll Todd be ready by September 11?

VERMEIL: “I can’t tell you that. I don’t know.”

Q: What about Freddie Mitchell?

VERMEIL: “I don’t know. I talked to him today and I don’t know when he’ll be ready to go full bore.”

Q: What would be his time frame?


VERMEIL: “You know, it’s hard for him to compete when he can’t compete. It’s different if someone is on your roster and misses three weeks and you had three years with him and he’s been a starter all along. You know where he ranks. But when someone’s off the street like (Mitchell) is, it’s tough for him. We talked about him. Hopefully, he’ll be back to compete 100% next week going into the last game.”

kcjayhawks5
08-22-2005, 03:20 PM
what did he mean that the MRI was found when they were talking about Dante Hall's knee? somebody please explain

Count Zarth
08-22-2005, 03:20 PM
“We had a mistake in the secondary and gave up a big play that was called. A corner was supposed to get safety deep help and he didn’t get safety deep help.

Holy shitbats! I think some of you owe htismaqe an apology. ROFL

Chief Faithful
08-22-2005, 03:25 PM
Holy shitbats! I think some of you owe htismaqe an apology. ROFL

Does this mean McLeon didn't get burned?

morphius
08-22-2005, 03:27 PM
Does this mean McLeon didn't get burned?
Pretty much.

Count Zarth
08-22-2005, 03:27 PM
Does this mean McLeon didn't get burned?

It means that McCleon throttled off from a full sprint because he thought he had deep help.

He was doing EXACTLY what he was supposed to do.

Greg Wesley is the one to blame.

jiveturkey
08-22-2005, 03:28 PM
Greg Wesley is the one to blame.Again

Bring in the Bartee. :hmmm:

Count Zarth
08-22-2005, 03:29 PM
The good news is, that's a pretty minor mental error.

Gunther just needs to get in Wesley's face.

Wile_E_Coyote
08-22-2005, 03:31 PM
this has got to be one of the more informative DV Q & A's I have read

Count Zarth
08-22-2005, 03:32 PM
this has got to be one of the more informative DV Q & A's I have read

No kidding. Cuttin' out the BS! Glad to hear Bell should be starting.

tk13
08-22-2005, 03:33 PM
VERMEIL: “No, I have concern about it. We’ve gone back and analyzed every field goal he made and missed over the last two years. We’re working around his plant and making sure it gets more consistent. When he misses it looks like he has a little different placement of his plant foot than he does when he makes it. Plus, the one he got credited for a miss the other day was tipped. So, it really wasn’t his fault, but at the same time, if it had been down the middle it wouldn’t have gotten tipped. He has a ways to go and he knows the pressure is on him.”

This right here is where coaches earn their money. And why they are NFL coaches. You could pick a bum of the street (or off an internet forum), and show them tape 1000 times and they'd never pick up on that. Of course it's one thing to recognize it, it's another for Tynes to mentally get that consistency down, just takes reps I guess.

TRR
08-22-2005, 03:38 PM
I'm cutting Wesley some slack. This is his first Preseason as a free safety. He has the ability, he just needs to get it all in gear.

Greg Wesley is the least of my worries.

TRR
08-22-2005, 03:39 PM
FWIW, I think Quinn is 5 times the QB Damon Huard is. At least when he's sucking, he can still make a play with his arm. Huard has a noodle arm to boot.

jiveturkey
08-22-2005, 03:44 PM
FWIW, I think Quinn is 5 times the QB Damon Huard is. At least when he's sucking, he can still make a play with his arm. Huard has a noodle arm to boot.I wouldn't mind getting Quinn back.

HemiEd
08-22-2005, 03:44 PM
FWIW, I think Quinn is 5 times the QB Damon Huard is. At least when he's sucking, he can still make a play with his arm. Huard has a noodle arm to boot.


I am in the totally un-impressed with Huard camp. I also agree with you that Quinn is a better option than Huard. I sure hope Collins makes it back in time for the regular season.

htismaqe
08-22-2005, 03:47 PM
Holy shitbats! I think some of you owe htismaqe an apology. ROFL

Vermeil lies, at least according to some people around here.

Like namely ME.

ROFL

It does worry me a bit that Wesley blew the coverage though...

TRR
08-22-2005, 03:47 PM
I am in the totally un-impressed with Huard camp. I also agree with you that Quinn is a better option than Huard. I sure hope Collins makes it back in time for the regular season.

The thing is, Collins broken finger is on his non-throwing hand if I'm not mistaken. So if he had to play, he could. Anyone know if that's correct. I believe it's on his left hand.

tk13
08-22-2005, 03:51 PM
Quinn was horrible last year with the Bears. It doesn't matter if it's Huard or Quinn, if any of these guys have to play because Green's hurt, we're sunk.

jspchief
08-22-2005, 03:53 PM
It means that McCleon throttled off from a full sprint because he thought he had deep help.

He was doing EXACTLY what he was supposed to do.

Greg Wesley is the one to blame.Throttled off? Bullsh*t. Did you even see the play? McCleon quit on the route because he thought we had Warner.

Straight up, he f*cked up. Wesley f*cked up too, by not being over there, but McCleon did f*ck up that play.

What was Vermeil's excuse for the other plays where McCleon was ten yards off his man? I could care less what he did in '03, he still sucks.

TRR
08-22-2005, 03:53 PM
Quinn was horrible last year with the Bears. It doesn't matter if it's Huard or Quinn, if any of these guys have to play because Green's hurt, we're sunk.

True, but it seemed like we won a couple more Preseason games with Quinn at the helm in the 4th quarter, then we did with Huard.

I am thoroughly convinced you could have put Peyton Manning with that Bears offense last season, and he would have looked about like Quinn did.

TRR
08-22-2005, 03:56 PM
Throttled off? Bullsh*t. Did you even see the play? McCleon quit on the route because he thought we had Warner.

Straight up, he f*cked up. Wesley f*cked up too, by not being over there, but McCleon did f*ck up that play.

What was Vermeil's excuse for the other plays where McCleon was ten yards off his man? I could care less what he did in '03, he still sucks.

You are absolutely full of it. I've watched that play 10 times. There was a breakdown in fundamentals. It had nothing to do with McCleon not being able to physically get the job done.

Your going to have that in the Preseason, with a new FS, etc.

HemiEd
08-22-2005, 03:56 PM
Quinn was horrible last year with the Bears. It doesn't matter if it's Huard or Quinn, if any of these guys have to play because Green's hurt, we're sunk.


IMO, the Bears entire offense was horrible. Every QB they have had in the last ten years (17?) has had to run for his life because of the Offensive Line.
They drafted a RB again this year, in the spirit of Salaam and Enis. ROFL

IIRC, Quinn had the highest completion percentage of all of the Bear's QBs last year, but he did choke under pressure it appeared.

Count Zarth
08-22-2005, 03:56 PM
Throttled off? Bullsh*t. Did you even see the play? McCleon quit on the route because he thought we had Warner.

Straight up, he f*cked up. Wesley f*cked up too, by not being over there, but McCleon did f*ck up that play.

What was Vermeil's excuse for the other plays where McCleon was ten yards off his man? I could care less what he did in '03, he still sucks.

OK, this is garbage. McCleon did not quit. He thought the receiver was breaking off the route, and he KNEW he had deep help, so he throttled off.

Wesley ****ed it up.

As for the "other plays", they never happened. McCleon was manned up from what I can tell.

jspchief
08-22-2005, 04:10 PM
OK, this is garbage. McCleon did not quit. He thought the receiver was breaking off the route, and he KNEW he had deep help, so he throttled off.

Wesley ****ed it up.

As for the "other plays", they never happened. McCleon was manned up from what I can tell.He was watching the QB the entire way, and when he thought we had Warner, he let off. You make it sound like he released the WR to Wesley's zone, and that's nowhere near what happened. He f*cked up. Period.

As for "other plays"...

(8:06) K.Warner pass to A.Boldin pushed ob at KC 49 for 13 yards (D.McCleon).


(7:01) K.Warner pass to B.Johnson to KC 27 for 16 yards (D.McCleon). He was open by 10 yards

And those are just two that came to mind. McCleon's guys were wide open all night.

Count Zarth
08-22-2005, 04:14 PM
He was watching the QB the entire way, and when he thought we had Warner, he let off. You make it sound like he released the WR to Wesley's zone, and that's nowhere near what happened. He f*cked up. Period.

As for "other plays"...

(8:06) K.Warner pass to A.Boldin pushed ob at KC 49 for 13 yards (D.McCleon).


(7:01) K.Warner pass to B.Johnson to KC 27 for 16 yards (D.McCleon). He was open by 10 yards

And those are just two that came to mind. McCleon's guys were wide open all night.

OK, see, you have NO WAY of knowing what McCleon was thinking. Given the fact that DV said he was SUPPOSED to have deep help, we can only assume he was throttling off, not GIVING UP. :rolleyes:

As for the other plays, what did you expect? McCleon to COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN the WR?

the Talking Can
08-22-2005, 04:23 PM
I realize I'm paranoid...but I don't remember DV saying "if the Doctor says so" about Bell last week.....we've gone from "He'll play next week" to "Yeah, I'm pretty sure he'll play next week..I haven't talked to him about it" to "if he responds well in practice, then he'll play" to "“I expect him to participate in the game unless I get notice from the doctor."


ok, yes, I'm worrying too much...but it just seems to me DV is laying some ground work here...I can't wait for the first report that Bell is practicing full speed AND full contact...

jspchief
08-22-2005, 04:26 PM
OK, see, you have NO WAY of knowing what McCleon was thinking. Given the fact that DV said he was SUPPOSED to have deep help, we can only assume he was throttling off, not GIVING UP. :rolleyes:

As for the other plays, what did you expect? McCleon to COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN the WR?It's blatantly obvious from watching the play. He stopped running, then started running again when he realized the WR was still going. Why the f*ck would he "throttle off" anyway? So as long as you have deep help, you can stop trying? That makes no sense.

And I don't expect him to shut down the WR. I do expect him to be within 10 yards of his man though. I do expect him to make a play on occasion. He was thrown at 3 times in the 2nd qtr, and his guy was WIDE OPEN on all three of those plays.

I don't know why I'm bothering you. For whatever reason, you like to attach yourself to these sh*tty players and try and make excuses for them. McCleon was horrible all night. I challenge you to name one time where he made a play.

jiveturkey
08-22-2005, 04:26 PM
I realize I'm paranoid...but I don't remember DV saying "if the Doctor says so" about Bell last week.....we've gone from "He'll play next week" to "Yeah, I'm pretty sure he'll play next week..I haven't talked to him about it" to "if he responds well in practice, then he'll play" to "“I expect him to participate in the game unless I get notice from the doctor."
We're both paranoid because that's the first thing that I thought when I read it.

jiveturkey
08-22-2005, 04:28 PM
And I don't expect him to shut down the WR. I do expect him to be within 10 yards of his man though. I do expect him to make a play on occasion. He was thrown at 3 times in the 2nd qtr, and his guy was WIDE OPEN on all three of those plays.He may have been in a zone coverage on the plays where he's 10 yards away??? :shrug:

Pants
08-22-2005, 04:29 PM
FWIW, I saw McCleon yell at Wesley right after that catch.

the Talking Can
08-22-2005, 04:33 PM
FWIW, I saw McCleon yell at Wesley right after that catch.

Wesley hasn't impressed me yet either...thank god for Knight

bringbackmarty
08-22-2005, 04:48 PM
I'm cutting Wesley some slack. This is his first Preseason as a free safety. He has the ability, he just needs to get it all in gear.

Greg Wesley is the least of my worries.
I think the play of both Greg Wesley and Jerome Woods has slipped dramatically the past few seasons. It seems like Wesley is always out of position, showing up to make a play on the ball too late and\or getting a personal foul for a hit after the whistle. They're also looking real slow to react to stuff, but it seems like everyone looks slow when #56 is on the field. I say put him at safety if you have to. that fugger is quick, and knows where the ball is. First play of the game on sat is a perfect illustration of just that.

Count Zarth
08-22-2005, 04:59 PM
I Why the f*ck would he "throttle off" anyway? So as long as you have deep help, you can stop trying? That makes no sense.

He was coming back to the ball. He knew he had deep help, and he figured they were throwing a comeback route. He didn't "stop trying."

morphius
08-22-2005, 05:04 PM
Wesley hasn't impressed me yet either...thank god for Knight
Its still depressing how we had one of the best young safety tandems to both barely being worthy of a spot on the team, especially how quickly it happened.

Pants
08-22-2005, 05:06 PM
He was coming back to the ball. He knew he had deep help, and he figured they were throwing a comeback route. He didn't "stop trying."

From where I was, it looked like he got burned, but then again, he WAS yelling at G-Wes. I still think McCleon can be a decent CB...

Bob Dole
08-22-2005, 05:43 PM
The Mighty Quinn returns.

HemiEd
08-22-2005, 05:46 PM
The Mighty Quinn returns.


ROFL

philfree
08-22-2005, 06:01 PM
“Special teams-wise, Dante (Hall) banged his knee a little bit but the MRI was found. He had a visit to make to Houston so he was excused today.


I take it they left out the word negative in regards to the MRI. So we're bringing in Quinn because Huard is banged up now? I didn't realize he was injured. Wesley to me just isn't getting it done at FS. He's always late when he's supposed to help over the top. Pile, Harts or perhaps McCleon(after Warfield gets back) should get a shot at FS. I was worried about Wesley moving to FS if he was struggling at SS last year. That move just doesn't make sense to me.


PhilFree:arrow:

jiveturkey
08-22-2005, 06:04 PM
Wesley to me just isn't getting it done at FS. He's always late when he's supposed to help over the top. Pile, Harts or perhaps McCleon(after Warfield gets back) should get a shot at FS. I was worried about Wesley moving to FS if he was struggling at SS last year. That move just doesn't make sense to me.


PhilFree:arrow:How about Bar-freakin'-tee?

I heard that he's fast but I don't know which safety position they've been playing his at.

Harts and Pile are in the same category as Wesley (and that's streching it).

alanm
08-22-2005, 06:13 PM
“Special teams-wise, Dante (Hall) banged his knee a little bit but the MRI was found. He had a visit to make to Houston so he was excused today.


I take it they left out the word negative in regards to the MRI. So we're bringing in Quinn because Huard is banged up now? I didn't realize he was injured. Wesley to me just isn't getting it done at FS. He's always late when he's supposed to help over the top. Pile, Harts or perhaps McCleon(after Warfield gets back) should get a shot at FS. I was worried about Wesley moving to FS if he was struggling at SS last year. That move just doesn't make sense to me.


PhilFree:arrow:
I think it may have been a typo also. It might have been the MRI was sound.
Anyway he's excused to go home to Houston tomorrow so it sounds like he's OK. :thumb:

ct
08-23-2005, 03:18 PM
Holy shitbats! I think some of you owe htismaqe an apology. ROFL

uh, think that would be me! Hate when that happens... :banghead:

htismaqe
08-23-2005, 03:26 PM
uh, think that would be me! Hate when that happens... :banghead:

Don't sweat it. I'm rarely right.

Lzen
08-23-2005, 03:32 PM
For all of you calling for someone else to play FS, I don't think you will like the results. Harts, Pile, etc. aren't any better. Bartee is still a big question mark at this point. But that might be worth a shot. However, what position is he playing right now? FS or SS?