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Kurt Surber
09-07-2000, 01:55 PM
Here you go Chiefs fans, Lamar Hunt is opening Royals stadium for the Monday Night game against Seattle. He has permission from the NFL to broadcast the game over the tron in the stadium. Admission is $10 per person, parking is the normal price.

They are doing this under the ruse that they wish to break the single game/one location attendance record of 90,000 plus. Horsesh&*T!

They want the $$$ that it will generate. Does this leave any doubt that this franchise is more interested in filling seats than it is in producing a superior product?

MR Hunt-You have done nothing for the city of KC that hasn't benefited you 1000 fold! It's time to buck up and give back to the city what you have taken from it......try to break the single season wins record of 14-0 held by the 1972 Dolphins, that is a record worth breaking!!!!

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HC_Chief
09-07-2000, 02:12 PM
Lamar is a business man -- he has every right to make $$ this way if he sees fit. If people are willing to pay, then why not?

It is still not going to change the fact that this game is going to blow chunks! Talk about an exercise in futility...

TheFly
09-07-2000, 02:19 PM
They're going to have a hard time filling Arrowhead after the Titans game...

Luzap
09-07-2000, 02:20 PM
Kurt,

Have you ever read a book titled, "The Power of Positive Thinking"?

Luz
just curious...

Kurt Surber
09-07-2000, 02:27 PM
Luz-Yes I have, probably about six times minimum! It's Peale with an "e."Bamn man, are you making a living slamming on me these days?

HC-I am a money hungry capitalist, I have no problem with making money. I do think that you should produce a superior product to do so. That's just me.

HC_Chief
09-07-2000, 02:34 PM
Kurt - absolutely! Lamar will soon find out just how important having a successful team is! If we don't start winning, and make a return to the playoffs, I can see A LOT of fans bailing on this team. Currently, he's still coasting on the massively successful 90's teams.

Phobia
09-07-2000, 02:35 PM
I kinda agree. I think breaking a record that was "created" with one venue in mind is kinda cheesey if you break it at two venues based on a technicality that those two venues just happen to share the same sports complex.

I personally wouldn't go but that's just me... If people actually pay money to go then more power to Lamar!

Kurt Surber
09-07-2000, 02:40 PM
Phobia-If breaking the record was his motivation he would open the stadium for free! NO? I would! (if THAT were my motivation.)

Luz, Seems that you need to take your own advice, me thinks that you said something once about attacking the thought not the person. Your tactics remind me of someone else from our past that we both know.....

Now that you have gotten your slam in on me what do you think about the post/idea?

Clint in Wichita
09-07-2000, 02:52 PM
It's a good idea if people are actually stupid enough to pay $10 plus parking and concessions & fight the crowd to watch the game on TV.

I don't get how turning Kaufmann Stadium into the world's largest sports bar constitutes breaking an attendence record. People watching the game on TV shouldn't count towards attending fans just because they happen to be next door.

Why not count me? I'll be watching the game on TV too!!

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Phobia
09-07-2000, 02:56 PM
Kurt,
I didn't read Luz's comment as a stab at you. I don't know though. Just thought you might be interested in an unbiased opinion. You want to see someone that has way too much time on their hands, witness Gump trying his best to get me fired.

Kurt Surber
09-07-2000, 03:04 PM
KP-Actually Luz and I are great friends. He thinks that I am negative because I don't agree with the direction this franchise is moving. He also preaches attack the post not the post-er, me thinks he is a bit of a hypocrite (as am I!)

BTW, How can someone get you fired from a position that you volunteered for? One that pays nothing. Gump must be Big Daddy in drag! http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif

redbrian
09-07-2000, 03:10 PM
For the life of me I can't see what all of the bitching is about.
Name one sportsbar or anyone who has a TV as big as the Diamond Screen at Kaufman.
If you don't think it's worth it don't go, damn its as simple as that.
I can't think of anouther venue which would have the same atmospher.
I say more power to the Chiefs and Royals for trying something new.<BR>

Clint in Wichita
09-07-2000, 03:14 PM
The reason I don't like it is this:

Lamar has football issues to worry about, but once again money seems to be a higher priority.

I guess he'd better get it while he can, because if the Chiefs play at home the way they did on Sunday 4 or 5 more times, the sellouts will come to an abrupt end, IMO.

That's when the REAL changes will take place.

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gh4chiefs
09-07-2000, 05:50 PM
This seems like a strange move to me, or least the timing seems kind of strange. I guess it just worked out that way though because this has been in the works for awhile. But as many of you stated, if the Chiefs don't turn things around, they won't be able to fill up Arrowhead, let alone the K. Maybe it was because of the heat Sunday, but I noticed what I thought was a large number of empty seats for a home opener. And there were LOTS of people selling tickets before the game.

Luzap
09-07-2000, 06:00 PM
Kurt,

It wasn't at all an attack, but it was a personal question.

Saying that Lamar (or something he's doing) is bogus, however, is a personal attack (bogus implies premeditation/scam). I pointed out that book because I knew you would be familiar with it and it does refer to the idea of assuming the best about other people ~ not the worst.

If I lived in KC and if I didn't have tickets to the game I would certainly go (and be glad to have had the opportunity). Several years ago, after a chiefs game, they showed the end of an important Denver game on the big replay screens at Arrowhead and it was fantastic.

I don't understand why people feel the need to constantly bash or run things down? If I don't like something I don't do it (I don't try to make other people feel bad if they like it and I don't try to talk them out of doing it).

This isn't about you Kurt; it's about a trend in our society that I don't like.

Luz
going way past .02 cents...

Logical
09-07-2000, 06:11 PM
This is truly terrible timing. The Chiefs coaching looks contemptible. The team itself is trying to get its act together. The organization has had many black eyes during the off-season and a potential 0-4 Chiefs may be facing a potential 1-3 (I assume Seattle cannot lose to New Orleans) during a Monday night game. Those things alone should be plenty of fodder for the MNF crew to ridicule the game, but then we add this publicity debacle of a simulcast next door at Kaufmann. Now if the fans want to come on and talk about CP and LH greed, how do we argue.

This is truly sad.

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Logical
09-07-2000, 06:13 PM
Kurt,

No offense, but how do you break the single season record of 16-0, tie it sure, but break it?

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gh4chiefs
09-07-2000, 06:13 PM
Luz,

I think I kind of understand where Kurt is coming from. Many of us, and I probably count myself in this group, are somewhat suspicious of Mr. Hunt's or Carl Peterson's main motivations, i.e. winning a championship or filling seats. Now we are watching what seems like our team disentegrating before our eyes, and what do get from the owner? Another money making scheme.

I'm not saying that's a fair assesment of Mr. Hunt's motivations, but it's just kind of coming at a bad time for some of us, who were already suspicious.

BIG_DADDY
09-07-2000, 06:17 PM
Kurt,
Not to be confused with the real BIG DADDY. That clown isn't over here is he?. If not then lets drop talking about that loser.

BIG DADDY doesn't like the affiliation

DaWolf
09-07-2000, 06:22 PM
You have to consider that the thing was signed off on in July. At that time Carl and Lamar were probably assuming we'd be a good team, and it would be a big game. And it still wll be if we run off a few wins and right the ship. Of course news of it coming out right now in the wake of this week and how things look do not make it look good. Everyone tries to make money in this league. I think it is a nice idea in terms of Lamar wanting to put KC in the record books for having the largest crowd to watch a game. The final goal however is always to win. I'm sure if you went back and told Lamar if he could trade this event for a Chiefs win, he'd take the win. I have a sense he wanted both. Unfortunately, it may not happen that way...

gh4chiefs
09-07-2000, 06:29 PM
I agree Wolf and that's why I kind of had a measured response. Just by sheer bad luck, the timing of the announcement kind of sucked.

Logical
09-07-2000, 06:37 PM
They could have postponed the idea and kept their mouths shut. Allowance by the league did not bind their hand to push on with this bad idea (at least timing wise)

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Cannibal
09-07-2000, 06:39 PM
The '72 Dolphins didn't go 16-0, they went 14-0. They only played fourteen games in the regular season back then. If you count the playoffs and Superbowl, they went 17-0.<P>

Logical
09-07-2000, 06:43 PM
Cannibal,

That is true, but I actually was just responding to his statement of breaking the record at 16-0. I did not look up the record, he said 16-0 and for the Dolphins not me.

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KCWolfman
09-07-2000, 07:00 PM
Kurt - While I agree that I would not pay 10.00 a pop to sit next door, I sincerely doubt that Lamar needs the money. Hunt will make 4 bucks a ticket for 25,000 people - profit. That is a mere 100,000. His worth is well over 600 million.... a hundred thousand doesn't mean diddly to him.

Kurt, while I value your opinion, I truly believe that you listen to a certain radio station way too much. They are influencing your words.

This is a man who is attempting to push up the value of morale. Whether it is right or wrong is a different issue. But there is nothing wrong in him doing this.

You of all people understand a fair market. If the people want it, he has a right to sell it. If they don't, then he won't achieve his goal.

Kurt Surber
09-07-2000, 07:12 PM
Russ- I agree with nearly everything you say. That is why if Lamars REAL motivation was to break the record he would make the admission free. Simple as that. If it doesn't mean diddly to him, make it free.

In regard to 810, I listen a max of 30 min/day, average it out, it is much less than that. Frankly I am the one that is responsible for my opinions, not JW or KK. In my view they are much too kind to this organization.

Luzap
09-07-2000, 07:20 PM
Kurt,

Just for clarification...

The record is for paid attendance http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif

Luz
this has been a public service announcement...

Packfan
09-07-2000, 07:22 PM
Who the hell is going to pay to watch two bad teams with two rotten QBs battle for last place in the worst division in football on a JUMBOTRON!

Russ, Luzap, you guys going?

What they ought to do is give a drug screen to anyone who enters Kaufmann stadium.

I told you guys two years ago that this organization was more concerned about the almighty dollar and less concerned about winning.

Who cares about that stupid record? What I want if the ongoing streak of seven years without a playoff victory snapped. Thats all I care about.

Cannibal
09-07-2000, 07:24 PM
Damn!

Packfan I have to admit that is funny as hell!

KCWolfman
09-07-2000, 07:26 PM
Cannibal - While Lamar tries to break the record (A bogus one I admit), in GB they can't even get enough votes to update the dilapidated cheese factory. Some opinions aren't even worth addressing.

Packfan
09-07-2000, 07:27 PM
I am glad you liked it cannibal. Sadly, I am not trying to be funny.

gh4chiefs
09-07-2000, 07:28 PM
It will be interesting to see if they can actually sell this event. With the abundance of tickets for sale in the parking lot before the game, you would think people would go for the real thing rather than watching it on TV.

It could be a fun time, especially if the weather is nice, and I have to agree with Luz. Watching that Denver game at the end of the Chiefs game back in 97 was a blast. But if we're sitting at 1-3 or 2-2 come that game, will the fans turn out? I have my doubts.

Packfan
09-07-2000, 07:28 PM
Russ,

You going to the simulcast game?

Cannibal
09-07-2000, 07:28 PM
True,

There is some horrible football being played in KC and Greenbay.

Packfan
09-07-2000, 07:31 PM
gh4chiefs,

2-2?? The Chiefs have a better chance of being 0-4 than 2-2. I hate to say it, but I am hoping that they are winless come that Monday night game. Kauffman will be empty and it will be a bit embarassing. Then maybe, just maybe, Carl and Lamar will get a clue.

Packfan
09-07-2000, 07:33 PM
Cannibal,

No doubt about that. The Packers stink. At least I can admit it. They are looking at a 6-10 season. I hope I am wrong, but they too will start off 0-2. As you know, it is very difficult to get to the top and stay on top. Very few teams are able to do that.

Cannibal
09-07-2000, 07:38 PM
The Packers should probably begin the rebuilding process as well. There is a lot of mediocre talent on that football team.

How far over the cap will they be next year?

I know it's not as bad as we have it here in KC, but I was just wondering.

Packfan
09-07-2000, 07:46 PM
They are in good shape. Chumura and Butler come off. They havent done squat in FA because they pay the big three big money (Favre, Freeman, and Levens). You have to pay for success. The Packers won when Freeman and Levens were still under their rookie contracts. Thats how it is done in the NFL. The problem for the Packers is that these guys havent produced for a year and a half. When the cap goes up, they will have plenty of room. I just hope Wolf doesnt waste on a guy like Chester.

sun
09-07-2000, 08:48 PM
not sure why this bothers anyone????....

WHO CARES??? if someone wants to pay ten bucks to watch the game on diamond vision after tailgating at arrowhead.....I say thanks for an opportunity to enjoy the game in an unique way.

and another thing.....if any of you think there is an owner out there who doesnt try to make every last cent he can....you are sadly mistaken..... ie. dan snyder charging 10 bucks to watch practice.

and another thing.....the chiefs and lamar do not own arrowhead.....they do not get the same stadium revenue other clubs get (ie naming rights) so whats wrong with them trying to make a few extra bucks????...i would think most of you who squawk about how we should go out and get the big time playmakers would be happy they are trying to scape up a few extra bucks


bottom line:
if you think this is a terrible thing and lamar should be ashamed and duh duh duh.....
DONT GO!!!!

stevieray
09-07-2000, 09:14 PM
The most hilarious thing on this board is certain people dogging Lamar "just wants to fill the seats" and "make money" Hunt.

How conveinent for all of you to forget the writing on the wall. Lamar has lost more money in football than most of will ever make in our lives. He lost One MILLION dollars trying to promote the AFL...remember this is the late 50's, you do the math ...Who is his father? H.L. Hunt. Like money has ever been a "problem" for the Hunt family.

If anything, he deserves your respect for creating the AFL...Those players back then practiced on high school fields. When the Jets won the Super Bowl, Namath commented on the three players waiting for them at the airport to celebrate overcoming the NFL...Willie, Buck, and maybe Abner....Chiefs pride runs deeper than any rant of horrible they are, or have been. This organizations is bigger than all of us. It is the reason for many joys and sorrows. It is football in Kansas City...Thanks to Lamar Hunt.

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Kurt Surber
09-07-2000, 09:57 PM
Stevie-Some of what you say is true, one thing I take issue with is this though;

"This organizations is bigger than all of us."

Actually, individually you are correct, collectively it doesn't hold a candle to "us." In fact collectively we ARE the organization. WE are what has allowed Lamar to prosper in KC. Don't give many any song and dance about philanthropy either............Mr Kauffman was a philanthropist in KC. If you could hold every thing that Lamar has done for KC in your hand you couldn't hold what Mr Kauffman did (and still does) for KC inside Arrowhead.

Lamar did not create the great fans of KC (and surrounding area) he benefited from them. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just growing weary of the idea that he is a God or something.

Joe Seahawk
09-07-2000, 10:00 PM
Sun, good post.. I completely agree with that........Joe

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stevieray
09-07-2000, 10:01 PM
I don't think he is a God...But I do respect what he did for football...And that is bigger than you and I. Being a fan doesn't put us anywhere close to Lamar's props...

Kurt Surber
09-07-2000, 10:20 PM
SR-I won't try to take your opinion from you, just realize that it is what it is. I am convinced that the consumers in any market are larger than the producer. (Not you, not I, not the two of us together, but all of us as a group.)Without the consumer what would be the need for the product? Don't think that I don't respect what Lamar did for football but just to put it into perspective, it's a freaking game, it's entertainment. Nothing more.

stevieray
09-07-2000, 10:41 PM
I agree...But blame the game, not the player...

When he lost that million, hid dad replied "At this rate, he's got another 150 years."

Let's be honest here, The Chiefs don't make or break Lamar.

KC Jones
09-08-2000, 05:37 AM
Wow!

People have really been whipped into an anti-Chiefs craze recently. Lamar Hunt is a tinkerer and eccentric. He's doing this as an experiment for the rest of the NFL more than anything else. This fits Lamar to a bill. Sure, he tries to figure ways of making more money - like maybe filling Arrowhead for away games. Who here owns a business and doesn't try to improve it? It's also something he needs to do for the future of this club. If the collective bargaining agreement ever goes down, this club will be in the same position as the Royals - unable to compete.

I can understand if you have no interest in going - I don't. But to say this is somehow 'wrong' or corporate greed run amok, or Hunt trying to take advantage of us is just silly. There are no black helicopters at One Arrowhead Drive, turn down the radio and step back into reality.

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DaWolf
09-08-2000, 06:50 AM
Let's put it in this light: Lamar Hunt, who lives in Dallas, is at least trying to do something to put KC in the national spotlight and garner national attention and positive press. Which other KC sports team is trying or able to try to do that? What are the other KC politicians doing to try and make KC move towards becoming more of a big time city like the people in St Louis have? In a city that had to wait 7 years to find an owner for the Royals, and then it was an out of towner, what has anyone from KC actually done to try and make us big league? Renovate Kemper? At least Mr Hunt gives a damn and will promote the city, the sports complex, and the fans...

Mosbonian
09-08-2000, 06:59 AM
Funny how the only thing I can think of when you guys are moaning about the "free vs $10" cost, is how much I would give just to be in a place where there are more Chiefs fans than there are Panther, Dolphin, Jaguar, Falcon or Cowboy fans. If you live anywhere else but KC, you plop down,at the very minimum, $15 to $20 bucks just to see a game at a local sportsbar, where you are treated to a great deal of abuse when your team plays like they have over the past 3 years.

Being in KC spoils a great many of you as to availability to the Chiefs and everything attached to it.

Kurt, I know you view Lamar as a man more concerned with making more money than getting a winner there in Arrowhead, but I think you are wrong. It has to be pretty embarassing watching the trophy named after you being given to everyone else but you.

The one thing I will fault Lamar for is being WAY TOO loyal to people, and that rubs off on all who work for him. That is the only reason I can fathom the Stock,Raye, and Kurt still have jobs.

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King_Chief_Fan
09-08-2000, 07:20 AM
Much to do about nothing. If you don't like the idea, don't go. It does not work for me so I am not going. But, there are lots of others who it does work for. They can go enjoy themselves. Who gives a rats *** about where the money goes. Again, if you don't like it, don't go.

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Packfan
09-08-2000, 02:01 PM
What is going to be very funny (and embarassing) is seeing 50 people watching the jumbotron at kauffman. Because after the Chiefs start the season 1-3 or 0-4, the "NFL's greatest" fans will abandon the team and spend their entertainment dollar in other ways - such as a rodeo.

I cant wait to see that. Maybe that will wake up Lamar Hunt and he will make some drastic changes in this mediocre team.

stevieray
09-08-2000, 02:07 PM
Out of all the thousands of Chiefs fans, fifty is the number of people that agree with you, Ken.

KC Jones
09-08-2000, 02:08 PM
Maybe that will wake up Lamar Hunt and he will make some drastic changes in this mediocre team.

Why do you want drastic changes in this team? Are you really a closet Chief fan?

Phobia
09-08-2000, 02:24 PM
In light of Ken's latest comments on this issue, I would like to change my initial assessment that very few people would drop the clams to attend. I think they'll sell all 12,000 tickets and break the record now.

Clint in Wichita
09-08-2000, 02:33 PM
Sun,

Very few owners actually own the stadiums their teams play in. I'm no expert on the subject, but the only 2 I can think of are Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder. The outrageous cost of building new stadiums will soon render the stadium-owning owner extinct.

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Phobia
09-08-2000, 02:41 PM
Wayne Heizingus, Browns owner, Modell? all own their stadiums, Clint.

mlyonsd
09-08-2000, 02:47 PM
What's wrong with Hunt trying to make a little more money?

If you don't want to pay $10 don't go.

Some people like to make mountains out of mole hills.

sun
09-08-2000, 03:15 PM
the point is clint, how many arrowheads are left???

they are all twa, pro player, fed ex, bs.com. etc. etc.........those companies pay the teams 8-10 Million to put their names on a stadium.......

not that i wouldnt go into a deep depression over it but the chiefs do not control that in kansas city

Packfan
09-08-2000, 04:54 PM
Its only a matter of time before those naming rights are sold off.

"You are looking live at Price Chopper Stadium in Kansas City Missouri......."

Red Till Dead
09-08-2000, 11:41 PM
Packfan,
When the Packers go 0-2 this week any chance that 1/2 cent sales tax is going to pass to refurbish the stadium.

Have heard there is a strong possiblility it won't. Guess it is just the Green Bay fans stating they won't put up with a mediocre team. Eh?

Dr. Red
09-08-2000, 11:51 PM
I got tickets to the real game 10 rows up in the endzone for the seattle game. If I didn't I would seriously think about going to this event and just tailgate on my own. Forget about paying 15$ for some picked over food. 26$ for parking and a chance to be on Monday Night Football is pretty intriguing to me and a lot of other fans. If you don't like it don't go though. I could see that someone would want to stay home and see me on TV having fun watching the game.