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ROYC75
08-30-2005, 03:37 PM
CHIEFS MAKE NINE TRANSACTIONS, TRIM ROSTER TO 75 PLAYERS
Aug 30, 2005, 3:28:29 PM



Chiefs President Carl Peterson announced on Tuesday that the club has made nine transactions in order to comply with the NFLís first mandatory cutdown deadline. The Chiefs have trimmed their roster to 75 players, including 10 NFL Europe roster exemptions.

The Chiefs placed LB Shawn Barber on the Physically Unable to Perform List (PUP) and FB Robert Holcombe on the Reserve/Injured List. The club also waived T Thomas Barnett, WR Nathaniel Curry, S Shaunard Harts, WR Darrell Hill, P Nick Murphy, S Willie Pile and WR Richard Smith. Each team must finalize its 53-man roster on Saturday, September 3rd and can create an eight-man practice squad beginning on Sunday, September 4th.

beer bacon
08-30-2005, 03:38 PM
Brett Williams you slippery bastard.

eazyb81
08-30-2005, 03:38 PM
Harts and Pile.....:(

So if Holcombe is on IR, does that mean he is out for the year? If so, that sucks...

shakesthecat
08-30-2005, 03:38 PM
No big surprises.

Uatu
08-30-2005, 03:39 PM
I thought Harts would stick around. Never thought he was a bad player. Good luck to him.

cmh6476
08-30-2005, 03:39 PM
S Shaunard Harts

poor rain man :(

Bwana
08-30-2005, 03:39 PM
That all looks about right. I have a feeling someone will pick up Harts though.

Chief Faithful
08-30-2005, 03:39 PM
Looks to me like Woods made the team unless someone thinks Cannot can do.

KCTitus
08-30-2005, 03:39 PM
So if Holcombe is on IR, does that mean he is out for the year? If so, that sucks...

I'll bet Peterson is really regretting letting of Omar Easy...

Chief Faithful
08-30-2005, 03:40 PM
Harts and Pile.....:(

So if Holcombe is on IR, does that mean he is out for the year? If so, that sucks...

Once on IR they are out for the year.

cmh6476
08-30-2005, 03:40 PM
Harts and Pile.....:(


they were expendable because of William Bartee's athletic ability and transition into the safety position! :)

FloridaChief
08-30-2005, 03:41 PM
That all looks about right. I have a feeling someone will pick up Harts though.

Yep. He won't be w/o a job for long....

jynni
08-30-2005, 03:42 PM
So does Barber on PUP mean that Fujita, Scanlon and Grigsby might all make the team?

Hydrae
08-30-2005, 03:43 PM
Who is backing up TRich then?

Lzen
08-30-2005, 03:44 PM
they were expendable because of William Bartee's athletic ability and transition into the safety position! :)

I would agree. But he plays SS and Harts was a FS. Who are our safeties now?

eazyb81
08-30-2005, 03:44 PM
Who is backing up TRich then?

Ronnie Cruz or Dee Brown....pick your poison.

:)

BigRedChief
08-30-2005, 03:45 PM
So they must think that Barber will play again since they didn't just cut him outright?

I thought Smith looked good on Saturday. but otherwise no surprises

http://img172.exs.cx/img172/4656/52c7b9fb736b49bea4982ee03836a5.gif

eazyb81
08-30-2005, 03:45 PM
I would agree. But he plays SS and Harts was a FS. Who are our safeties now?

My guess:

SS: Knight and Bartee

FS: Wesley and Woods

cmh6476
08-30-2005, 03:46 PM
I would agree. But he plays SS and Harts was a FS. Who are our safeties now?

Sammy Knight
Greg Wesley
Jerome Woods
William Bartee


:shrug:

WisChief
08-30-2005, 03:46 PM
I'll bet Peterson is really regretting letting of Omar Easy...
I thought of him too and I didn't realize he's a Faid now to boot.

Lzen
08-30-2005, 03:46 PM
I just looked at the depth chart.

FS 1.Wesley 2. Woods
SS 1.Knight 2.Bartee 3.Connot

I assume they'll cut Connot. He sucks. But that leaves us with Woods. I was hoping they'd get rid of him because his salary is too large. WTH?

John_Wayne
08-30-2005, 03:46 PM
Once on IR they are out for the year. I thought he was due back in 3-4 weeks? It was first said that it was a minor injury and he might miss only the 1st regular season game. It must be much worse, I guess.

eazyb81
08-30-2005, 03:47 PM
I thought he was due back in 3-4 weeks? It was first said that it was a minor injury and he might miss only the 1st regular season game. It must be much worse, I guess.

That's what I thought too.....weird.

morphius
08-30-2005, 03:48 PM
I'll bet Peterson is really regretting letting of Omar Easy...
That's good humor right there.

Rudy lost the toss
08-30-2005, 03:48 PM
Harts AND Pile? :( I can't believe Woods is going to make this team

cmh6476
08-30-2005, 03:48 PM
My guess:

SS: Knight and Bartee

FS: Wesley and Woods


yep. Wesley was our SS last year, and then made the transition to FS with the addition of Knight. So Woods was our FS last year, and Bartee will backup Knight at SS I guess.

Or, if something were to happen to Knight, Wesley would prolly move back to SS and Woods would then play FS.

DaWolf
08-30-2005, 03:49 PM
So they must think that Barber will play again since they didn't just cut him outright?

After 6 weeks he can come back, and they can get him ready for two weeks after that without him counting against the roster if he doesn't play. So essentially we'd get him back around midseason if all goes well, which by that time either we'll have injury issues to address and he can step in or someone will suck and he can take over, or if neither of those cases happens we can cut him or place him on IR the rest of the year if he's still injured...

bgguitarman
08-30-2005, 03:50 PM
Damn Scanlon lives another day.

tyton75
08-30-2005, 03:50 PM
I really really liked Harts! granted, he didn't have some physical gifts, but he is a hard-nosed defensive player who gave 100% all the time.. too bad to see him go, but I understand it

hope he gets picked up soon

Mr. Laz
08-30-2005, 03:50 PM
I can't believe Woods is going to make this team

money or vermeil's hugs?

SNR
08-30-2005, 03:51 PM
That means Woods is hanging around

Rudy lost the toss
08-30-2005, 03:51 PM
I'll bet Peterson is really regretting letting of Omar Easy...
and Joe Hall

BigRedChief
08-30-2005, 03:51 PM
After 6 weeks he can come back, and they can get him ready for two weeks after that without him counting against the roster if he doesn't play. So essentially we'd get him back around midseason if all goes well, which by that time either we'll have injury issues to address and he can step in or someone will suck and he can take over, or if neither of those cases happens we can cut him or place him on IR the rest of the year if he's still injured...

I thought if you got put on the PUP list that wa sit for the year. OH well this makes more since then. See if we need help and see if he can help. WTF? Why not. Good move King Carl............chit I can't believe I just said that.

Hydrae
08-30-2005, 03:51 PM
Ronnie Cruz or Dee Brown....pick your poison.

:)


kcchiefs.com has Cruz listed on the depth chart behind TRich.

Height
6-0
Weight
237

Size looks ok but I don't know anything else abut the guy really.

Bwana
08-30-2005, 03:52 PM
That's good humor right there.

Indeed! ROFL

runnercyclist
08-30-2005, 03:53 PM
There are still 22 more cuts right? We have to be to 53 by when?

Count Alex's Losses
08-30-2005, 03:55 PM
****in' Woods. :banghead:

Rain Man
08-30-2005, 03:57 PM
poor rain man :(


If I was an Arab woman, I'd be wailing and beating my breasts. Harts was my #1 flea, tick, and receiver remover.

runnercyclist
08-30-2005, 03:58 PM
Who are the 10 that are exempt due to NFLEL? I thought the cutdown was to 65 today...

53 by 9/4...

Mr. Laz
08-30-2005, 03:59 PM
There are still 22 more cuts right? We have to be to 53 by when?Who are the 10 that are exempt due to NFLEL? I thought the cutdown was to 65 today...

53 by 9/4...

next week,

Booth, John WR
Connot, Scott S
Dixon, Arrion DT 6
McIntyre, Jeris WR
Scanlon, Rich LB
Smith, McKenzi RB

all i can remember

Count Alex's Losses
08-30-2005, 03:59 PM
Does anyone else think that Harts or Pile could have been more valuable to the team than Woods? Salary cap be damned.

Mr. Laz
08-30-2005, 04:04 PM
Does anyone else think that Harts or Pile could have been more valuable to the team than Woods? Salary cap be damned.
yes...

unless of course saving that cap room allows us to make a run at corey simon :p

ZootedGranny
08-30-2005, 04:15 PM
Does anyone else think that Harts or Pile could have been more valuable to the team than Woods? Salary cap be damned.

Those are exactly my thoughts. Disappointed that both were cut.

ROYC75
08-30-2005, 04:16 PM
yes...

unless of course saving that cap room allows us to make a run at corey simon :p


Connot salary would be cheaper than Harts or Pile, cutting Woods helps in some ways towards Simon.......

Of course, this is all speculation....

royr17
08-30-2005, 04:22 PM
Holcombe isnt on IR, he's just on the reserve/injured till he heals.

royr17
08-30-2005, 04:23 PM
My bad he is on IR and is finished for the year.

HemiEd
08-30-2005, 04:32 PM
Richard Smith surprises me. :rolleyes:

ct
08-30-2005, 04:37 PM
Cruz is a FB, Brown is a RB.

I thought Cruz has looked decent, so was guessing he would make the team at least initially to backup TRich. Plus he has been playing a lot of ST.

And Brown will be cut next week. McKenzi Smith has looked really good, and playing a ton of ST, esp. returning kickoffs. I believe this sets up Horn to get the ax, with Smith our RB3 and KR2.

siberian khatru
08-30-2005, 04:39 PM
Richard Smith. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

htismaqe
08-30-2005, 04:39 PM
I'm guessing we'll keep Cruz as backup FB and minimize the role of the FB somewhat in the offense.

siberian khatru
08-30-2005, 04:40 PM
I'm guessing we'll keep Cruz as backup FB and minimize the role of the FB somewhat in the offense.


More Kris Wilson at H-back?

ct
08-30-2005, 04:40 PM
next week,

Booth, John WR
Connot, Scott S
Dixon, Arrion DT 6
McIntyre, Jeris WR
Scanlon, Rich LB
Smith, McKenzi RB

all i can remember

Smith and Scanlon make the team, all the others are gone. Booth and Dixon, maybe McIntyre as well, are excellent PS candidates.

Mr. Laz
08-30-2005, 04:41 PM
Connot salary would be cheaper than Harts or Pile, cutting Woods helps in some ways towards Simon.......

Of course, this is all speculation....

i doubt it ... his contract is still pretty new, he's signing bonus is prolly gonna hit us more than losing his base salary will help

HolmeZz
08-30-2005, 04:50 PM
Harts is better than Woods. Sure somebody else will pick him up.

Inspector
08-30-2005, 04:52 PM
Wow....

Cut Harts?

Didn't see that coming. Oh well.

the Talking Can
08-30-2005, 05:00 PM
woods is still on the team because of his salary...he knows it, the players know it, the coaches know it.....yea for him...

Rausch
08-30-2005, 05:00 PM
Harts and Pile cut before Bartee?

No ****ing sense can be made of that...

Calcountry
08-30-2005, 05:04 PM
I am so happy that Scanlon might make it.

Calcountry
08-30-2005, 05:05 PM
Harts and Pile cut before Bartee?

No ****ing sense can be made of that...Vermiel's manlove for Bartee knows no bounds.

Big Slick
08-30-2005, 05:10 PM
Connot salary would be cheaper than Harts or Pile, cutting Woods helps in some ways towards Simon.......

Of course, this is all speculation....

I wouldn't read into this that Connot is pushing to make the club. He has the NFL-Europe exemption, that's what got him through today. No reason to cut a guy before you have to. That's my guess anyhow...

beavis
08-30-2005, 05:15 PM
More Kris Wilson at H-back?
More two back sets with Priest and LJ.

Big Slick
08-30-2005, 05:15 PM
I thought Cruz has looked decent, so was guessing he would make the team at least initially to backup TRich. Plus he has been playing a lot of ST.

Yeah, Cruz has been on lots of 1st team special teams. Translation - he's on the team.

Mr. Laz
08-30-2005, 05:17 PM
Vermiel's manlove for Bartee knows no bounds.

vermeil's manlove effects teh entire team

CHIEF4EVER
08-30-2005, 05:19 PM
How in the world did Burntee make the team and Harts didn't? Was it the "first NFL interception of his career"?

tk13
08-30-2005, 05:20 PM
Harts and Pile cut before Bartee?

No ****ing sense can be made of that...
Well Bartee has apparently been one of the better safeties in camp, he does have an INT.

But, personally, I don't want to cut him for special teams reasons. He's fast, and he can actually tackle. I hope we never have to worry about him playing, but he's a quality ST defender. I think that plays a part in the decision.

Bob Dole
08-30-2005, 05:27 PM
The Razorbacks are dropping like flies!

Mr. Laz
08-30-2005, 05:28 PM
Well Bartee has apparently been one of the better safeties in camp, he does have an INT.

But, personally, I don't want to cut him for special teams reasons. He's fast, and he can actually tackle. I hope we never have to worry about him playing, but he's a quality ST defender. I think that plays a part in the decision.

you know what ... for as many guys as vermeil keeps around JUST for special teams play our coverage units should do suck.

brent102fire
08-30-2005, 05:35 PM
I actually never thought that Woods would get cut. He is one of Gunthers' Boys. I think he's a pretty damn good backup to Wesley. :toast:

tk13
08-30-2005, 05:41 PM
you know what ... for as many guys as vermeil keeps around JUST for special teams play our coverage units should do suck.
Well they haven't in past years I don't think. Last year they did, but that's because we had to shove Beisel into a starting role, Boerigter was hurt, Kris Wilson was hurt, etc, etc. Lots of problems, weren't able to put all our biggest and fastest guys on the field.

HolmeZz
08-30-2005, 05:42 PM
What's with that hate for Bartee? He's actually starting to show signs of ability. You don't cut him NOW.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-30-2005, 05:49 PM
Damn Scanlon lives another day.

What you don't realize is that Scanlon did the cutting today, not Carl or DV.

You'd be a fool to think Scanlon has no input on who stays and who goes...

milkman
08-30-2005, 05:54 PM
What's with that hate for Bartee? He's actually starting to show signs of ability. You don't cut him NOW.

The guy was asked to play a position, corner, that he wasn't suited for.
Because he was left there, and sucked at it for so long, some people have blind hatred for him.

The fact is, if he had never been asked to make the transition to corner, but had been allowed to play the position that is natural for him, he would not be so despised today.

ROYC75
08-30-2005, 06:03 PM
I wouldn't read into this that Connot is pushing to make the club. He has the NFL-Europe exemption, that's what got him through today. No reason to cut a guy before you have to. That's my guess anyhow...


You are probally 99.99 % correct. Woods's salary is probally to much to cut...

Like I said, it was just speculation anyways since we knew the obivious ( NFLE exempt )...........

Chiefs Pantalones
08-30-2005, 06:04 PM
If Scanlon does get cut, it's because he wanted to.

Kansas City is too small of a market for him. He needs Jets, Pats, Ravens like PR. He may be Superman, but no one will know, because of KC being a small market.

The Chiefs are a farm team.

Frankie
08-30-2005, 06:11 PM
woods is still on the team because of his salary...he knows it, the players know it, the coaches know it.....yea for him...
Maybe he should see the light and retire.

Frankie
08-30-2005, 06:13 PM
How in the world did Burntee make the team and Harts didn't? Was it the "first NFL interception of his career"?
CB Bartee hasn't made this team. Safety Bartee has so far, and for good reasons.

milkman
08-30-2005, 06:21 PM
Maybe he should see the light and retire.

If he were to retire, we take the same cap hit that we would if he were cut.

And if he decided to retire now, after we already released Harts, I'd be just a little pissed.

Thig Lyfe
08-30-2005, 07:08 PM
Shaunard Harts???

NOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Bad move. Harts has way more upside than Woods, who should have been cut.

TRR
08-30-2005, 07:14 PM
Shaunard Harts???

NOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Bad move. Harts has way more upside than Woods, who should have been cut.

Woods' contract is too much to eat, especially when Harts isn't much better than Woods, if at all.

Thig Lyfe
08-30-2005, 07:21 PM
Woods' contract is too much to eat, especially when Harts isn't much better than Woods, if at all.
You don't have to eat it. just burn it and any evidence of it ever existing.

Rausch
08-30-2005, 07:26 PM
You don't have to eat it. just burn it and any evidence of it ever existing.

Hey, **** you buddy. Burns hurt...

Mr. Laz
08-30-2005, 08:46 PM
If he were to retire, we take the same cap hit that we would if he were cut.

And if he decided to retire now, after we already released Harts, I'd be just a little pissed.

BUZZZZZZ...

wrong answer, when a player retires the player/team has several months before they have to turn them in


IIRC it's like 18 months


if wood retires we could wait and turn the papers in after june 1st next year and (i believe) still spread the hit out over 2 years.

milkman
08-30-2005, 08:50 PM
BUZZZZZZ...

wrong answer, when a player retires the player/team has several months before they have to turn them in


IIRC it's like 18 months


if wood retires we could wait and turn the papers in after june 1st next year and (i believe) still spread the hit out over 2 years.

News to me.
I hope you're right.

I thought the deal was that they could wait to turn in the papers until June 1 if a player retired at the end of a season.

Mr. Laz
08-30-2005, 09:12 PM
News to me.
I hope you're right.

I thought the deal was that they could wait to turn in the papers until June 1 if a player retired at the end of a season.
i don't think so

Denver waited a loooong time before filing Elway's papers because they jacked around with it so much they couldn't afford the hit immediately.

unless they have change it

milkman
08-30-2005, 09:14 PM
i don't think so

Denver waited a loooong time before filing Elway's papers because they jacked around with it so much they couldn't afford the hit immediately.

unless they have change it

I'm just going to assume that you know more about this than I do.

jspchief
08-31-2005, 07:09 AM
I'm suprised at all the outrage over Harts. I never saw anything out of him to make me think he would ever be anything but depth. As someone else said, he's not noticeably better than Woods, and he's a much smaller cap hit.

As for "safety of the future", I didn't see that from him. But even so, I bet Harts and Pile don't get grabbed by anyone else.