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Mr. Kotter
08-30-2005, 08:51 PM
So much of the poor, mournful mother bit.

...interesting story, at the very least:

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200508290901.asp

Cindy Sheehan's Radical Strategist
National Review | April 29, 2005 | Byron York

Posted on 08/29/2005 7:46:19 AM PDT by conservativecorner

Have you heard of Lisa Fithian? A veteran of the Seattle WTO riots and scores of other protests, she’s been with Sheehan from the start.

A notice on Cindy Sheehan's website, meetwithcindy.org, asks for donors who might be able to offer a camper, or an RV, or just money, for Sheehan's upcoming cross-country tour, scheduled to begin Wednesday in Crawford, Texas, and end in Washington at the big antiwar demonstration scheduled for September 24. At the end of the note, readers with something to offer are asked to "please call organizer Lisa Fithian."

To anyone familiar with the world of professional protesting — protests against globalism, capitalism, war, police tactics, and dozens of other causes — the presence of Fithian is a sign of how far Cindy Sheehan has strayed from the roots of her "one mom" crusade against George W. Bush. Or, perhaps more accurately, it is a sign that the "one mom" crusade was never just one mom. Fithian is a legendary organizer who operates in the world of anti-globalism anarchists, antiwar protesters, and union activists; an advocate of aggressive "direct action" demonstrations, she protested the first Gulf war, played an important role in the violent shutdown of Seattle during the 1999 World Trade Organization meeting, was a key planner in protests at the Republican and Democratic national conventions in 2000 and 2004, and organized demonstrations at trade meetings in Washington, D.C., Prague, and Genoa.

Although she has received virtually no attention from reporters covering Sheehan, Fithian has been part of the Crawford protest from the very beginning. In a telephone interview with National Review Online on Sunday, she explained that she was with Sheehan in Dallas at a meeting of the antiwar group Veterans for Peace during the first days of August when the decision was made for Sheehan to go to the president's ranch. On August 6, when Sheehan went to Crawford — in a bus with the words "Impeachment Tour" emblazoned on the side — Fithian went along. "I came the first day and helped her [Sheehan] set up the initial encampment," Fithian said. With the exception of one brief absence, she has been there ever since.

Switching back and forth between talking to NRO and giving out orders — "When's your meeting? 5:15? Can you get your people together for that?" — Fithian was modest about her role in the Sheehan protest. "I vary from janitor to facilitator to action organizer," she said. "There's not any one person in charge." In general, she explained, her work involves "a lot of coordination." But Fithian's history suggests it is unlikely she is playing a subordinate role.

In November 2003, Fithian was profiled by The New York Times Magazine as she prepared to take part in protests at the Free Trade Area of the Americas meeting in Miami. As she did with NRO, Fithian demurred when asked if she was a leader of the demonstrations — she claimed that the movement was "nonauthoritarian" and "nonhierarchical" and had no leaders at all — but the Times was not convinced. "To say that Fithian is not a leader is an admirable political idea, but it's not entirely honest," the paper reported.

And she was a tough-minded leader, not at all a peace-and-love type. Her specialty was action; she wanted to break in, cut through fences, and shut things down. "You don't go to Fithian when you want to carry a placard," the Times profile said. "You go to her when you want to make sure there are enough bolt cutters to go around." Asked for a fuller explanation of her role in the protests, Fithian said, "When people ask me, 'What do you do?' I say I create crisis, because crisis is that edge where change is possible."

That sometimes involves breaking things. In an July 2001 interview with The International Socialist Review, Fithian — who told NRO she's been arrested "probably at least 30 times" — spoke of moving beyond the tradition of civil disobedience as practiced by Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr.; her inspiration, she explained, was not so much those leaders as the anarchist movement in Spain in the late 19th and early 20th century. And that meant different ways of doing things. "Nonviolence is a strategy. Civil disobedience is a tactic," Fithian said. "Direct action is a strategy. Throwing rocks is a tactic."

"I guess my biggest thing is that as people who are trying to create a new world, I do believe we have to dismantle or transform the old order to do that," Fithian continued. "I just fundamentally don't believe it will ever serve our interests as it's currently constructed."

These days, Fithian's tactic for dismantling the old order — at least her tactic for the moment — is Cindy Sheehan. On Wednesday, Sheehan will begin her cross-country tour, winding her way toward Washington. And Lisa Fithian will be with her.

— Byron York, NR's White House correspondent

go bowe
08-30-2005, 09:08 PM
have you seen the new t.v. ads with cindy yet?

Mr. Kotter
08-30-2005, 09:10 PM
have you seen the new t.v. ads with cindy yet?

That would require me to be able to watch a TV....:shrug:

Got the Cliff Notes? :hmmm:

go bowe
08-30-2005, 09:30 PM
not exactly, but i'll try...

she seemed to start out fairly strong as a greiving mom with some tough but fair questions for the president, but then it seemed like she went a little overboard with unnecessarily shrill anti-war rhetoric...

she had me then she kinda lost me... :shrug:

btw, it's a pretty professional production, somebody with some bucks is behind it...

Mr. Kotter
08-30-2005, 09:47 PM
... but then it seemed like she went a little overboard with unnecessarily shrill anti-war rhetoric...

she had me then she kinda lost me... :shrug:

btw, it's a pretty professional production, somebody with some bucks is behind it...

I'll have to look for it...that's pretty much Fithian.

Code Pink and other radical/violent anti-war groups (the irony there is amusing), along with Moveon.org would be more than willing to bankroll this effort.... :hmmm:

memyselfI
08-30-2005, 09:49 PM
Cindy Sheehan is old news now. Nothing she did or said will impact the Iraq war as much as a helluva bitch named Katrina will.

go bowe
08-30-2005, 09:53 PM
katrina is going to impact the iraqi war?

[channeling donger]care to elaborate?[/donger]

memyselfI
08-30-2005, 09:54 PM
katrina is going to impact the iraqi war?

[channeling donger]care to elaborate?[/donger]

You think the American people will be willing to continue to throw billions at rebuilding/fixing Iraq (lost cause) when those billions will be needed here?

Mr. Kotter
08-30-2005, 09:57 PM
You think the American people will be willing to continue to throw billions at rebuilding/fixing Iraq (lost cause) when those billions will be needed here?

:spock:




:rolleyes:

memyselfI
08-30-2005, 09:59 PM
:spock:




:rolleyes:

Mark my words. The largest national disaster (as being speculated) in the history of the country will be a factor with American people's continued tolerance/intolerance of the Iraq war.

Mr. Kotter
08-30-2005, 10:00 PM
Mark my words. The largest national disaster (as being speculated) in the history of the country will be a factor with American people's continued tolerance/intolerance of the Iraq war.

Marked and noted. :)

jettio
08-30-2005, 10:20 PM
Sounds like this Lisa Fithian is about 60x more talented at logistical planning than Messrs. Rumsfeld-Cheney-Bremer-and the Dumbazz in Chief.

Logical
08-30-2005, 10:40 PM
I saw Cindy on Bill Maher's show and I was very impressed with her sincerity for her cause. Like many people who become activist she tends to go overboard but unlike what I had heard she did not claim her son was against the war or mislead. All in all a pretty good representative for the anti-war cause.

Michael Michigan
08-31-2005, 12:22 AM
I saw Cindy on Bill Maher's show and I was very impressed with her sincerity for her cause. Like many people who become activist she tends to go overboard but unlike what I had heard she did not claim her son was against the war or mislead. All in all a pretty good representative for the anti-war cause.

Okay--I have to ask at least once.

Are you playing the idiot role as a gimmick?

Joe Seahawk
08-31-2005, 12:54 AM
Okay--I have to ask at least once.

Are you playing the idiot role as a gimmick?

I was wondering the same thing..

Uatu
08-31-2005, 05:40 AM
Read something else that there's a professional marketing firm or somesuch that was hired to work on the 'one mom' protest at the start.

Seems like this was well-organized from the start.

RedDread
08-31-2005, 05:52 AM
cause you know....No one should ever use the memory of the dead as justification for their cause.

Garcia Bronco
08-31-2005, 06:05 AM
What's the surprise....she's got a full on political machine behind here.

Mr. Kotter
08-31-2005, 06:42 AM
Read something else that there's a professional marketing firm or somesuch that was hired to work on the 'one mom' protest at the start.

Seems like this was well-organized from the start.

You notice no one is denying that--now.

Mr. Kotter
08-31-2005, 06:47 AM
cause you know....No one should ever use the memory of the dead as justification for their cause.

Point taken.

However, denying that it is a politically motivated, well-orchestrated, and partisan ploy and nothing more than a blatant attempt to gain credibility with ignorant observers....that, is what I find disingenuous and galling.

Radar Chief
08-31-2005, 07:48 AM
Mark my words. The largest national disaster (as being speculated) in the history of the country will be a factor with American people's continued tolerance/intolerance of the Iraq war.
Marked and noted. :)

:titus: ROFL

Radar Chief
08-31-2005, 07:51 AM
I saw Cindy on Bill Maher's show and I was very impressed with her sincerity for her cause. Like many people who become activist she tends to go overboard but unlike what I had heard she did not claim her son was against the war or mislead. All in all a pretty good representative for the anti-war cause.

I’ve heard the interview where she claimed this myself.
She claimed he was misled by recruiters, yea that’s why he re-uped in ’04. :rolleyes:

homey
08-31-2005, 07:57 AM
Republican slime machine. Go after war heroes (some from their own party)and mother's who lose their sons in this war they believe so strongly in. Soulless bastards. Besides, what do Republicans know about exploiting someone/thing for their cause (Terri Schivo-9/11)?

Mr. Kotter
08-31-2005, 08:07 AM
Republican slime machine. Go after war heroes (some from their own party)and mother's who lose their sons in this war they believe so strongly in. Soulless bastards. Besides, what do Republicans know about exploiting someone/thing for their cause (Terri Schivo-9/11)?

Yeah, Democrats would NEVER/have never done that.....heh.

KCTitus
08-31-2005, 08:23 AM
Republican slime machine. Go after war heroes (some from their own party)and mother's who lose their sons in this war they believe so strongly in. Soulless bastards. Besides, what do Republicans know about exploiting someone/thing for their cause (Terri Schivo-9/11)?

Is this called slime or soulless just because it's true? She readily admits pulling the strings behind the curtain.

Mr. Kotter
08-31-2005, 10:47 AM
Is this called slime or soulless just because it's true? She readily admits pulling the strings behind the curtain.

Everyone KNOWS Democrats aren't capable of such.....;)

go bowe
08-31-2005, 12:34 PM
Point taken.

However, denying that it is a politically motivated, well-orchestrated, and partisan ploy and nothing more than a blatant attempt to gain credibility with ignorant observers....that, is what I find disingenuous and galling.ok, let me gall you for a moment...

at the outset, i don't think the woman's antiwar protest was "politically motivated" or "partisan" at all...

she was using classic antiwar rhetoric, and at the outset, i don't think she personally was interested in with partisan politics...

when exercising their first amendment rights, antiwar protestors have historically protested the war activities of presidents from both parties...

(see johnson and nixon...)

now, what was one woman's sincere protest has indeed become completely dominated by politically motivated organizations...

sadly...

antiwar protestors sometimes have strange bedfellows...

Uatu
08-31-2005, 01:00 PM
at the outset...

now, ... [it]has indeed become completely dominated by politically motivated organizations...

I don't know that those two were ever two different points in time.

Logical
08-31-2005, 01:19 PM
I’ve heard the interview where she claimed this myself.
She claimed he was misled by recruiters, yea that’s why he re-uped in ’04. :rolleyes:My point was that even if she did in the past she did not on this nationally televised show. So she may have stopped.

Radar Chief
08-31-2005, 01:37 PM
My point was that even if she did in the past she did not on this nationally televised show. So she may have stopped.

Ok, I’ll take your word for it.

Eye Patch
08-31-2005, 02:19 PM
Cindy Sheehan abruptly cut off an interview with National Public Radio Monday, well before the segment was scheduled to end. For a couple minutes Sheehan answered questions about her mother's health and the life of her late son. But when host Neal Conan asked her to describe her meeting with President Bush last year, she at first refused, saying she's talked about it enough. When Conan asked again, she told him she only had two minutes left for the interview.

She then gave a brief answer, and after another round of questions, told Conan she was having trouble hearing him, insisting, "We have a really bad connection ... It's very spotty cell service out here." A minute or so after that, just as she was being asked about past statements she's made, she said, "I have to go," and hung up.

KCTitus
08-31-2005, 02:21 PM
You've gone beyond moonbat when NPR seems 'combative'...

Mr. Kotter
08-31-2005, 02:40 PM
...at the outset, i don't think the woman's antiwar protest was "politically motivated" or "partisan" at all...

...now, what was one woman's sincere protest has indeed become completely dominated by politically motivated organizations...

sadly...

antiwar protestors sometimes have strange bedfellows...

From the article:
...Fithian has been part of the Crawford protest from the very beginning. In a telephone interview with National Review Online on Sunday, she explained that she was with Sheehan in Dallas at a meeting of the antiwar group Veterans for Peace during the first days of August when the decision was made for Sheehan to go to the president's ranch.

I've not seen those facts questioned or challenged--at all, let alone seriously and credibly challenged.

So I don't understand how your view of this thing "evolving" comports with that. It seems to me, she pretended to be sincere in the beginning, and fooled quite a few of us in the process. :shrug:

memyselfI
09-22-2005, 07:26 AM
Marked and noted.

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08-30-2005, 10:59 PM
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Mark my words. The largest national disaster (as being speculated) in the history of the country will be a factor with American people's continued tolerance/intolerance of the Iraq war.-MMI

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08-30-2005, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by memyselfI
You think the American people will be willing to continue to throw billions at rebuilding/fixing Iraq (lost cause) when those billions will be needed here?
08-30-2005, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by go bo
katrina is going to impact the iraqi war?

[channeling donger]care to elaborate?[/donger]


08-30-2005, 10:49 PM
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Cindy Sheehan is old news now. Nothing she did or said will impact the Iraq war as much as a helluva bitch named Katrina will.-MMI

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FYI for your notes, Kotter.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050922/ap_on_go_pr_wh/katrina_iraq_impact

Eye Patch
09-22-2005, 09:13 AM
Is grieving mother Sheehan still calling for U.S troops to pull out of New Orleans from their occupation.