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Braincase
09-01-2005, 01:55 PM
Not saying I agree with everythng in the column, but there are some facts presented that ought to be easily verifiable. BC

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372455,00.html

"No One Can Say they Didn't See it Coming"

By Sidney Blumenthal

In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.

A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.

The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the hurricane published a series on the federal funding problem, and whose presses are now underwater, reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it coming ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."

The Bush administration's policy of turning over wetlands to developers almost certainly also contributed to the heightened level of the storm surge. In 1990, a federal task force began restoring lost wetlands surrounding New Orleans. Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent City and the Gulf reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no net loss" of wetlands, a policy launched by his father's administration and bolstered by President Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003, unleashing the developers. The Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency then announced they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were somehow related to interstate commerce.

In response to this potential crisis, four leading environmental groups conducted a joint expert study, concluding in 2004 that without wetlands protection New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much less a Category 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to describe how mindless a policy that is when it comes to wetlands protection," said one of the report's authors. The chairman of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality dismissed the study as "highly questionable," and boasted, "Everybody loves what we're doing."

"My administration's climate change policy will be science based," President Bush declared in June 2001. But in 2002, when the Environmental Protection Agency submitted a study on global warming to the United Nations reflecting its expert research, Bush derided it as "a report put out by a bureaucracy," and excised the climate change assessment from the agency's annual report. The next year, when the EPA issued its first comprehensive "Report on the Environment," stating, "Climate change has global consequences for human health and the environment," the White House simply demanded removal of the line and all similar conclusions. At the G-8 meeting in Scotland this year, Bush successfully stymied any common action on global warming. Scientists, meanwhile, have continued to accumulate impressive data on the rising temperature of the oceans, which has produced more severe hurricanes.

In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists, including 20 Nobel laureates, warned in a statement, "Restoring Scientific Integrity in Policymaking": "Successful application of science has played a large part in the policies that have made the United States of America the world's most powerful nation and its citizens increasingly prosperous and healthy ... Indeed, this principle has long been adhered to by presidents and administrations of both parties in forming and implementing policies. The administration of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this principle ... The distortion of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease." Bush completely ignored this statement.

In the two weeks preceding the storm in the Gulf, the trumping of science by ideology and expertise by special interests accelerated. The Federal Drug Administration announced that it was postponing sale of the morning-after contraceptive pill, despite overwhelming scientific evidence of its safety and its approval by the FDA's scientific advisory board. The United Nations special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush administration of responsibility for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's evangelical Christian agenda of "abstinence." When the chief of the Bureau of Justice Statistics in the Justice Department was ordered by the White House to delete its study that African-Americans and other minorities are subject to racial profiling in police traffic stops and he refused to buckle under, he was forced out of his job. When the Army Corps of Engineers' chief contracting oversight analyst objected to a $7 billion no-bid contract awarded for work in Iraq to Halliburton (the firm at which Vice President Cheney was formerly CEO), she was demoted despite her superior professional ratings. At the National Park Service, a former Cheney aide, a political appointee lacking professional background, drew up a plan to overturn past environmental practices and prohibit any mention of evolution while allowing sale of religious materials through the Park Service.

On the day the levees burst in New Orleans, Bush delivered a speech in Colorado comparing the Iraq war to World War II and himself to Franklin D. Roosevelt: "And he knew that the best way to bring peace and stability to the region was by bringing freedom to Japan." Bush had boarded his very own "Streetcar Named Desire."

go bowe
09-01-2005, 01:59 PM
somebody already posted this article in one of the n.o. threads...

dirk digler
09-01-2005, 02:01 PM
This is the part that bothers me the most.

But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of the Corps to impose a hiring freeze.

Braincase
09-01-2005, 02:08 PM
somebody already posted this article in one of the n.o. threads...

Yep, you're correct sir.

Sorry for the redundancy, just thought the story was worthwhile, although inflamatory to some.

StcChief
09-01-2005, 02:09 PM
Level NO and forget trying to protect it from water.

Building houses in a flood plan is never a good idea.

Braincase
09-01-2005, 02:20 PM
Level NO and forget trying to protect it from water.

Building houses in a flood plan is never a good idea.


But...but....but.... you can't do a proper Mardi Gras in Desoto!

MarcBulger
09-01-2005, 02:22 PM
Yea it was Bush's fault.

Hydrae
09-01-2005, 02:50 PM
The United Nations special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush administration of responsibility for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's evangelical Christian agenda of "abstinence."

Huh? What am I missing here? How could the US administration's stance on abstinence affect Uganda's supply of condoms?

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 03:52 PM
No way the American people will continue to support the Iraq War when they realize the scope of the disaster and how the WH had no planning for Iraq and now Katrina.

Donger
09-01-2005, 04:23 PM
No way the American people will continue to support the Iraq War when they realize the scope of the disaster and how the WH had no planning for Iraq and now Katrina.

Wow. I guess it's time for me to try out the ignore feature finally.

That's a shame, D-nise. I disagree with you on probably 90% of what you say, but what you just said is simply insane.

Goodbye.

KC Dan
09-01-2005, 04:27 PM
I blame Duh-neese & Bluementhal for not alerting the President as good citizens should and preventing this catastrophe from occuring in NO. They obviously know more than every other single living organism on earth and are never prone to any failures. Yeah, my post is stupid just like every single one of your bashing ones are.

KC Dan
09-01-2005, 04:30 PM
BTW, I finally put someone on "ignore". Her stupidity is like a cat that pisses everywhere inside and won't stop. You just wish you could slam it with a hammer to make it stop and think.:banghead:

Duck Dog
09-01-2005, 04:38 PM
Seems like the people still in N.O. are trying their best to be the next Iraqis. They are shooting at the poeple trying to help them and then complain when the help doesn't arrive fast enough.

Two worlds apart...same ignorant mentality.

jAZ
09-01-2005, 04:41 PM
I'm not sure right now is the right time to point fingers. And I am sure the Bush administration agrees with me on that at least.

However, a very real set of questions exist, and there will come a time when those very real questios should be addressed.

My question to this board is: When does it become OK to ask these questions? How long before it's ok?

My guess is once the city is drained. It's going to be years before things are "fixed", so waiting "years" to discuss this issue is as in appropriate as talking about it right now.

Donger
09-01-2005, 04:44 PM
I'm not sure right now is the right time to point fingers. And I am sure the Bush administration agrees with me on that at least.

However, a very real set of questions exist, and there will come a time when those very real questios should be addressed.

My question to this board is: When does it become OK to ask these questions? How long before it's ok?

My guess is once the city is drained. It's going to be years before things are "fixed", so waiting "years" to discuss this issue is as in appropriate as talking about it right now.

Perhaps you should ask D-nise; she seems to have an answer.

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 04:46 PM
I'm not sure right now is the right time to point fingers. And I am sure the Bush administration agrees with me on that at least.

However, a very real set of questions exist, and there will come a time when those very real questios should be addressed.

My question to this board is: When does it become OK to ask these questions? How long before it's ok?

My guess is once the city is drained. It's going to be years before things are "fixed", so waiting "years" to discuss this issue is as in appropriate as talking about it right now.


When will the time be?

This fuggin administration had no plan for the debacle that is Iraq. They have no plan that is the devastation that is Katrina. They need to be held accountable for both. Most people were entirely too disaffected by the Iraq War and possibly even Katrina and thus were not going to get angry...

but DUHbya did nothing to help with rising gas prices when he had THE CHANCE. Now, it's too late and he can do nothing and people are pizzed. It FINALLY affects them.

WilliamTheIrish
09-01-2005, 04:46 PM
I'm not sure right now is the right time to point fingers. And I am sure the Bush administration agrees with me on that at least.

However, a very real set of questions exist, and there will come a time when those very real questios should be addressed.

My question to this board is: When does it become OK to ask these questions? How long before it's ok?

My guess is once the city is drained. It's going to be years before things are "fixed", so waiting "years" to discuss this issue is as in appropriate as talking about it right now.

How about we wait until people are outta that shiothole? I'm certain Sid and Co. could wait another week.

OTOH I remember the finger pointing (and the resulting deflection) in 1993. It went on all summer.

ChiefsCountry
09-01-2005, 04:49 PM
I thinks it sad that people blame other people for natural disasters.

KC Dan
09-01-2005, 04:50 PM
I thinks it sad that people blame other people for natural disasters.
Mis-informed cattle following their pack, that only care that others convert to their line of thinking. Right or wrong! Very sad indeed.

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 04:53 PM
I thinks it sad that people blame other people for natural disasters.

Get a clue. No one is blaming anyone FOR the hurricane. I think there is plenty of blame to go around for the handling of the aftermath of the hurricane, you know the man-made disaster after the mother nature made disaster.

CHIEF4EVER
09-01-2005, 04:59 PM
Get a clue. No one is blaming anyone FOR the hurricane. I think there is plenty of blame to go around for the handling of the aftermath of the hurricane, you know the man-made disaster after the mother nature made disaster.

Horse manure. You have done nothing but beat your chest, gnash your teeth and break stuff in your house since the Iraq war began. And every other event in the country, including this one, you attempt to spin in such a way as to make the administration to blame. Fire up a fattie and relax a bit kiddo, you're gonna pop a vein or something if you don't.

Baby Lee
09-01-2005, 05:19 PM
How about we wait until people are outta that shiothole? I'm certain Sid and Co. could wait another week.

OTOH I remember the finger pointing (and the resulting deflection) in 1993. It went on all summer.
We must travel in different circles. I don't recall "flood of 1993" and "fault" being in the same sentence, unless it was in reference to asshats who busts levies for shits and grins.
I certainly, at no point, even had the thought "that damn Clinton [or any other political leader]" in reference to the flood.

Braincase
09-01-2005, 05:31 PM
I thinks it sad that people blame other people for natural disasters.

Some Kuwaiti minister is giving the credit to Allah, and that all hurricanes are a divine wind upon the unbelievers. (http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/front2453615.183333333.html) I'd like to break some wind right across his nose.

We've been the divine wind there to save Kuwait's ass.

Chiefnj
09-01-2005, 05:36 PM
I'm not sure right now is the right time to point fingers. And I am sure the Bush administration agrees with me on that at least.

However, a very real set of questions exist, and there will come a time when those very real questios should be addressed.

My question to this board is: When does it become OK to ask these questions? How long before it's ok?

My guess is once the city is drained. It's going to be years before things are "fixed", so waiting "years" to discuss this issue is as in appropriate as talking about it right now.


Following the Rove school of attack-and-don't-let-up (which is a great school of thought and has been extremely successful in politics the last few years) the Democrats should follow suit and point fingers every chance they get. Their pussy attitude hasn't gotten them far the last 8 years.

Taco John
09-01-2005, 05:38 PM
http://www.thebscorner.com/archives/PatRobertson.jpg

"Personally, I blame all the fags."

ChiefsCountry
09-01-2005, 06:30 PM
http://www.thebscorner.com/archives/PatRobertson.jpg

"Personally, I blame all the fags."

If that was the case San Fran would have been destroyed.

alanm
09-01-2005, 06:31 PM
They've been saying N.O. was a disaster waiting to happen for over 40 yrs. So now all of a sudden it's Bush's fault. :rolleyes:

RedDread
09-01-2005, 06:58 PM
Some Kuwaiti minister is giving the credit to Allah, and that all hurricanes are a divine wind upon the unbelievers. (http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/front2453615.183333333.html) I'd like to break some wind right across his nose.

We've been the divine wind there to save Kuwait's ass.


What short memories we have...I guess the earthquake that killed 15,000 in Iran in 2003 was the work of OUR god punishing the unbelievers then too....

fuggin retards :shake:

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 08:53 PM
Horse manure. You have done nothing but beat your chest, gnash your teeth and break stuff in your house since the Iraq war began. And every other event in the country, including this one, you attempt to spin in such a way as to make the administration to blame. Fire up a fattie and relax a bit kiddo, you're gonna pop a vein or something if you don't.

Oh, I don't have to blame the Administration for this one. I did make the prediction that Katrina will derail his ridiculous Iraq War but I'm not blaming the WH for a damn thing...

I'm going to sit back and watch while the American people connect the dots and the lightbulbs FINALLY start going off in people's heads. :clap:

StcChief
09-02-2005, 07:42 AM
Oh, I don't have to blame the Administration for this one. I did make the prediction that Katrina will derail his ridiculous Iraq War but I'm not blaming the WH for a damn thing...

I'm going to sit back and watch while the American people connect the dots and the lightbulbs FINALLY start going off in people's heads. :clap:

Most of the bulbs your counting on are dim and the filiment about to break. The short attention span of america will wait for the next event.

patteeu
09-02-2005, 10:06 AM
I'm not sure right now is the right time to point fingers. And I am sure the Bush administration agrees with me on that at least.

However, a very real set of questions exist, and there will come a time when those very real questios should be addressed.

My question to this board is: When does it become OK to ask these questions? How long before it's ok?

My guess is once the city is drained. It's going to be years before things are "fixed", so waiting "years" to discuss this issue is as in appropriate as talking about it right now.

It's never OK to ask these questions if one's goal is to cast blame on one political party or one administration (as it appears to be in Sydney's case). Is the realization that a category 5 hurricane poses a catastrophic threat to NO new in the past few years? Did we not have just as much awareness of this problem during the Clinton years? How about the Bush I and Reagan years? When they built these levee's, a conscious decision to build them to Category 3 specs was made.

This isn't a potential crisis that was identified only after GWBush was elected. This isn't a potential crisis that was unforseen until after the war in Iraq began. It has nothing to do with the Bush administration or the spending for the GWoT. This was a calculated risk from the beginning and as it turns out, the calculation didn't pay off. GWBush didn't do that calculation. But in hindsight, you can always find people who have been arguing that something different should have been done. It's only after the fact that it's clear they were right. I would bet that there were local New Orleansers who were arguing for increased protection during the Clinton administration. They were right too. But that doesn't mean that Clinton made bad decisions even though he didn't make the decision that would have ultimately saved NO.

Right now (and for as long as I can remember) there are people predicting a massive earthquake along the New Madrid fault (that could impact both St. Louis and Memphis). I'd bet there are "experts" who are suggesting that the local, state, and federal governments should be spending more money to earthquake-proof buildings in that region. Should we cut medicare, head start, foreign aid, and the F-22 program so we can prepare for New Madrid? I don't know, but I do know that if New Madrid blows and we have widespread destruction in St. Louis and Memphis, it will seem like a much better idea than it sounds like today.

Sydney Blumenthal will rot in hell.

StcChief
09-02-2005, 10:09 AM
What did Clinton do for all the black votes he got down there?

Neil Young's lyrics 'Welfare mothers make better lovers' was Clinton's motto.