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memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:00 PM
Can this situation get any more pathetic?

Yep. CNN is reporting that the Astrodome is now turning away the buses headed there way because they are 'full.' They originally said they could house around 20k, CNN is reporting there are approx. 5k in house at the moment.

:cuss: :mad: :banghead: :shake:

ChiTown
09-01-2005, 10:02 PM
Damnit, Bush! :cuss:

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:03 PM
Damnit, Bush! :cuss:

Don't make this political. :p

ENDelt260
09-01-2005, 10:03 PM
Start filling up Reliant Stadium.

Simplex3
09-01-2005, 10:04 PM
My guess is that Houston just figured out that they are already poor and desolate, and the last thing they need is 20k people with nothing and no money to leave.

Can't say as I blame them.

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:07 PM
My guess is that Houston just figured out that they are already poor and desolate, and the last thing they need is 20k people with nothing and no money to leave.

Can't say as I blame them.

Uh, no. The fire marshall said they were going to be over capacity in the facility. :cuss:

Simplex3
09-01-2005, 10:07 PM
Uh, no. The fire marshall said they were going to be over capacity in the facility. :cuss:
So he lied to cover their collective political asses. Who cares, grow up.

jspchief
09-01-2005, 10:08 PM
Uh, no. The fire marshall said they were going to be over capacity in the facility. :cuss:How could a professional sports stadium be over capacity with only 5k people in it?

Mr. Laz
09-01-2005, 10:08 PM
We should all go ahead and admit to ourselves that this country has let it's collective inner child take over for our pragmatic insticts. We will rebuild it because a few crybabies will whine long enough about how nobody will ever get to drink at some ancient ass bar again.
My guess is that Houston just figured out that they are already poor and desolate, and the last thing they need is 20k people with nothing and no money to leave.

Can't say as I blame them.
man, your a gunt

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 10:09 PM
How could a professional sports stadium be over capacity with only 5k people in it?


they aren't in the seats

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 10:10 PM
man, your a gunt

But he's right

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:10 PM
How could a professional sports stadium be over capacity with only 5k people in it?

They are on cots on the floor. What a fuggin mess. FEMA has now botched THIS aspect of their rescue... :shake: :cuss: :banghead:

ChiTown
09-01-2005, 10:11 PM
Don't make this political. :p

It can't help but be political. Our Gov't has mismanaged the living crap out of this deal. They should have mobilized 5-10X the number of guardsmen than the numbers they originally went with.

I can't figure out what the F the State and Fed Govt were thinking.

Simplex3
09-01-2005, 10:12 PM
man, your a gunt
No, I'm being practical. Is it rough? Yeah.

What they should have done was send one or two busses to each of a bunch of cities so that no one would get burried. No city can just take on 20,000 likely welfare recipients in a week and not be totally hosed.

Bowser
09-01-2005, 10:12 PM
I can't figure out what the F the State and Fed Govt were thinking.

They weren't.

jspchief
09-01-2005, 10:12 PM
they aren't in the seatsNo sh*t? I figured they were watching Nolan Ryan pitch an Astros game.

I still don't believe it can be full with only 5k people.

How could they have been so far off on their estimates? Thinking they could handle 20k, but it turns out they can only handle 25% of that? Who the f*ck is running these operations?

PRIEST
09-01-2005, 10:15 PM
Wow is there no end for these people.

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:16 PM
It can't help but be political. Our Gov't has mismanaged the living crap out of this deal. They should have mobilized 5-10X the number of guardsmen than the numbers they originally went with.

I can't figure out what the F the State and Fed Govt were thinking.

Well, this thread was intended as an FYI only. I agree with you though that anyone not thinking the Feds have botched this is just in deep denial or doing their best TOMMY impersonation.

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:17 PM
No sh*t? I figured they were watching Nolan Ryan pitch an Astros game.

I still don't believe it can be full with only 5k people.

How could they have been so far off on their estimates? Thinking they could handle 20k, but it turns out they can only handle 25% of that? Who the f*ck is running these operations?

FEMA and the WH.

Sorry.

nychief
09-01-2005, 10:17 PM
some are going on to the Alamo dome.

jspchief
09-01-2005, 10:19 PM
some are going on to the Alamo dome.They are also taking some to an arena in Dallas, don't remember the name though.

Frazod
09-01-2005, 10:19 PM
These people are going to end up in refugee camps. The only question is where and how long it will take to build them.

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:19 PM
And I just read this utterly shocking and despicable story on the BBC which was posted on a blog:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4206276.stm


There were also reports in the blog of evacuees in hotels in Tallahassee being asked to leave because their rooms were reserved months in advance for the big college football game there this weekend.

Simplex3
09-01-2005, 10:22 PM
And I just read this utterly shocking and despicable story on the BBC which was posted on a blog:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4206276.stm


There were also reports in the blog of evacuees in hotels in Tallahassee being asked to leave because their rooms were reserved months in advance for the big college football game there this weekend.
IF, and I mean IF, this is actually occurring then it's s**tty.

Mr. Laz
09-01-2005, 10:22 PM
But he's right
maybe ... but i refuse to be so flippant about so much pain and destruction.

Simplex3
09-01-2005, 10:24 PM
maybe ... but i refuse to be so flippant about so much pain and destruction.
I'm not being flippant, I'm being realistic. You can't fix the problem until you acknowledge the problem. You can't acknowledge the problem when you're busy crying about how unfair it is.

Mr. Laz
09-01-2005, 10:26 PM
It can't help but be political. Our Gov't has mismanaged the living crap out of this deal. They should have mobilized 5-10X the number of guardsmen than the numbers they originally went with.

I can't figure out what the F the State and Fed Govt were thinking.
all the city and state officials should be remove from office and put serving food to all the homeless.


complete incompetence ... they had absolutely no plan or idea about what to do.

ChiTown
09-01-2005, 10:28 PM
And I just read this utterly shocking and despicable story on the BBC which was posted on a blog:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4206276.stm


There were also reports in the blog of evacuees in hotels in Tallahassee being asked to leave because their rooms were reserved months in advance for the big college football game there this weekend.

They have a special place in hell for people like this :shake:

Simplex3
09-01-2005, 10:28 PM
all the city and state officials should be remove from office and put serving food to all the homeless.


complete incompetence ... they had absolutely no plan or idea about what to do.
If the news agencies had a heart they'd put down the cameras and use those choppers to rescue some people. There are lots of people on the scene right now that aren't doing anything to help.

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 10:28 PM
FEMA and the WH.

Sorry.
Stop spreading that bullshit whore....stupid Americans from top to bottom are making bad decisions.

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 10:29 PM
IF, and I mean IF, this is actually occurring then it's s**tty.

I believe it is...

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 10:30 PM
I'm not being flippant, I'm being realistic. You can't fix the problem until you acknowledge the problem. You can't acknowledge the problem when you're busy crying about how unfair it is.


An that's what leadership is...making the tough choices and being completely emotionless about it

the Talking Can
09-01-2005, 10:30 PM
And I just read this utterly shocking and despicable story on the BBC which was posted on a blog:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4206276.stm


There were also reports in the blog of evacuees in hotels in Tallahassee being asked to leave because their rooms were reserved months in advance for the big college football game there this weekend.

saw an interview with foreign tourists inside a hotel...they said when people were evacuating they were filling their cars with luggage and refusing to take extra people....heartless....

CosmicPal
09-01-2005, 10:31 PM
If the news agencies had a heart they'd put down the cameras and use those choppers to rescue some people. There are lots of people on the scene right now that aren't doing anything to help.

That's not entirely factual- I've been watching reports of reporters helping. But, the mere fact is- it is a chaotic situation and a lot of frustrated individuals without a care in the world are walking around with guns.

Not to be a wussy liddle fraidy cat, but I'd get the phuck out if I was a reporter too...

Mr. Laz
09-01-2005, 10:31 PM
If the news agencies had a heart they'd put down the cameras and use those choppers to rescue some people. There are lots of people on the scene right now that aren't doing anything to help.
they should have a major first aid/food/medical tent city up by now


with choppers making constant ferry runs starting with the sickest people.


i have no idea what they hell they are thinking about

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 10:31 PM
Stop spreading that bullshit whore....stupid Americans from top to bottom are making bad decisions.

My bad...I didn't think I put the word whore in there...but I was obviously thinking it.

KC Dan
09-01-2005, 10:32 PM
complete incompetence ... they had absolutely no plan or idea about what to do.
While I agree with your reasoning to a point, it must be taken into account that a diaster to this magnitude has NEVER occurred in this country. When was the last time that NO flooded completely and the gov't responded - never. Any other major US city? None...

Now having said that, the Federal Gov't (ALL OF IT), the Louisiana state and local gov't's have completely befuddled their response to this. Could they have gotten everyone that stayed behind fed, watered, housed, clothed by now - Most likely not. But, they could have and should have done a better job.

I would also think that every bottled water company would have semi's knocking down NO doors, but that's not happening either.

2cents

Miles
09-01-2005, 10:32 PM
No sh*t? I figured they were watching Nolan Ryan pitch an Astros game.

I still don't believe it can be full with only 5k people.

How could they have been so far off on their estimates? Thinking they could handle 20k, but it turns out they can only handle 25% of that? Who the f*ck is running these operations?

The astrodome hasnt been maintained in the least bit over the last few years. Basically its a rotting POS. Still it does seem like they could do more with the resources that Houston should have.

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:33 PM
Stop spreading that bullshit whore....stupid Americans from top to bottom are making bad decisions.

ewww, calling names because the truth hurts. In a national emergency the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS IN CHARGE.

You can call me a whore but you can't call me an in denial ignoramus...

that would be you.

CosmicPal
09-01-2005, 10:33 PM
I've also heard reports that as many as 80% of some police district's forces have simply walked off the job. They have no contacts, and they are outnumbered by angry mobs.

Simplex3
09-01-2005, 10:34 PM
they should have a major first aid/food/medical tent city up by now


with choppers making constant ferry runs starting with the sicking people.


i have no idea what they hell they are thinking about
Even more pathetic, they have several closed and nearly closed military bases not that far from there. You know, baracks, mess hall, bathroom facilities, medical facilities, etc.

alnorth
09-01-2005, 10:34 PM
When was the last time a city of this size was ABANDONED by every fleeing resident? Not in this century. Just about anyone would think that if a city was ever rendered inoperable for months, it would be after a nuclear strikes and youd have no survivors to worry about.

This isnt exactly something you plan for.

alnorth
09-01-2005, 10:35 PM
.

KC Dan
09-01-2005, 10:35 PM
Even more pathetic, they have several closed and nearly closed military bases not that far from there. You know, baracks, mess hall, bathroom facilities, medical facilities, etc.
I just told someone that 10 minutes ago. How hard can it be?

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:35 PM
Even more pathetic, they have several closed and nearly closed military bases not that far from there. You know, baracks, mess hall, bathroom facilities, medical facilities, etc.

And who's call would it be to open those facilities for emergency use?

Donald Rumsfeld? FEMA? The WH?

ChiTown
09-01-2005, 10:35 PM
Even more pathetic, they have several closed and nearly closed military bases not that far from there. You know, baracks, mess hall, bathroom facilities, medical facilities, etc.


:banghead:

Gawddamn, I just want to scream! WTF is wrong with us? WAKE THE F UP!

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:37 PM
When was the last time a city of this size was ABANDONED? Not in this century. Just about anyone would think that if a city was ever rendered inoperable for months, it would be after a nuclear strikes and youd have no survivors to worry about.

This isnt exactly something you plan for.

Not entirely true.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/12529090.htm

Last year, FEMA spent $250,000 to conduct an eight-day hurricane drill for a mock killer storm hitting New Orleans. Many of the scenarios now playing out, including a helicopter evacuation of the Superdome, were discussed in that drill.

Mr. Laz
09-01-2005, 10:38 PM
While I agree with your reasoning to a point, it must be taken into account that a diaster to this magnitude has NEVER occurred in this country. When was the last time that NO flooded completely and the gov't responded - never. Any other major US city? None...

Now having said that, the Federal Gov't (ALL OF IT), the Louisiana state and local gov't's have completely befuddled their response to this. Could they have gotten everyone that stayed behind fed, watered, housed, clothed by now - Most likely not. But, they could have and should have done a better job.

I would also think that every bottled water company would have semi's knocking down NO doors, but that's not happening either.

2cents

understood ... i didn't/don't expect them to be serving 7 course meals and sipping tea.


but dam ... is it too much to ask to have some kind of rallying point established and some form of communication going on. I mean even if it's just police with bullhorns moving through the city telling the people where to move to.

they had 48 hours notice after they knew that a cat 5 hurricane was hitting.

They could of had SOMETHING planned


as far as i can tell the extent of their plan was "get out of town ... if you can't then go to the superdome" :shrug:

ChiTown
09-01-2005, 10:38 PM
When was the last time a city of this size was ABANDONED by every fleeing resident? Not in this century. Just about anyone would think that if a city was ever rendered inoperable for months, it would be after a nuclear strikes and youd have no survivors to worry about.

This isnt exactly something you plan for.


Wrong. The Gov said that they had planened and strategized for such an event. What they hadn't planned on was absolutely freezing up and choking on the moment. Of course our Fed Govt has been about as helpful as one-armed paper hanger.

alnorth
09-01-2005, 10:38 PM
And who's call would it be to open those facilities for emergency use?

Donald Rumsfeld? FEMA? The WH?

I dont accept your underlying premise. You are heavily implying that since the astrodome cant take them, that means we are turning them loose on the Houston streets.

Your argueing that we should be sending these people to alternate locations if the Astrodome isnt available? Well no sh** Sherlock, WTF do you think we ARE doing?

To those who are echoing this particular arguement, you are being stupid. At least meme has the excuse of wanting to be deceptive for political gain.

alnorth
09-01-2005, 10:39 PM
Wrong. The Gov said that they had planened and strategized for such an event. What they hadn't planned on was absolutely freezing up and choking on the moment. Of course our Fed Govt has been about as helpful as one-armed paper hanger.

prove it

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 10:39 PM
ewww, calling names because the truth hurts. In a national emergency the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS IN CHARGE.

You can call me a whore but you can't call me an in denial ignoramus...

that would be you.

It's not that you're wrong...but you're not right either...It's not black or white. And that's the problem with you're politics...you want to depend on the government to a fault. I literally heard people say in the past few days...they didn't know to leave because the government didn't warn them in time...LMAO...Like I said...I didn't mean to type whore...but I was thinking it...obviously....carry on

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 10:41 PM
prove it

FEMA under the direction of the WH ran a drill last year after IVAN...basically a study...about what would happen if a CAT 3 cane hit NO. They've choked...big time...but it's not just them...it's everybody in the chain...

ChiTown
09-01-2005, 10:42 PM
prove it

What?

They had the Govenor on CNN the Sunday night before Katrina hit. She said they had planned and strategized for an event such as this.

Mr. Laz
09-01-2005, 10:42 PM
prove it

and let the DC'ing of the thread commence



goodnight folks

alnorth
09-01-2005, 10:42 PM
Not entirely true.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/12529090.htm

Last year, FEMA spent $250,000 to conduct an eight-day hurricane drill for a mock killer storm hitting New Orleans. Many of the scenarios now playing out, including a helicopter evacuation of the Superdome, were discussed in that drill.

uh huh, and did this scenario include murderous rampaging gangs of armed thugs who make relief efforts extremely difficult? Or did we just assume that human beings in the US would not start to behave like animals?

You can plan and plan all you want for the what-if scenarios to be ready if an armed robber breaks into your door with a gun, but what happens if he smashes into your living room with a car? Not expected, and makes all the plans in the world about as useful as if you never bothered in the first place.

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:43 PM
I dont accept your underlying premise. You are heavily implying that since the astrodome cant take them, that means we are turning them loose on the Houston streets.

Your argueing that we should be sending these people to alternate locations if the Astrodome isnt available? Well no sh** Sherlock, WTF do you think we ARE doing?

To those who are echoing this particular arguement, you are being stupid. At least meme has the excuse of wanting to be deceptive for political gain.

Where did I say they'd be in the streets? Where did I say alternate locations aren't available?

Regardless, these people traveled 3 hours by bus (some with no air conditioning) to a destination that was to be their shelter only to be told they can't stay there, go elsewhere? Come on.

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 10:43 PM
FEMA under the direction of the WH ran a drill last year after IVAN...basically a study...about what would happen if a CAT 3 cane hit NO. They've choked...big time...but it's not just them...it's everybody in the chain...
I'll also add that it's not like there is a book on this either

KC Dan
09-01-2005, 10:43 PM
understood ... i didn't/don't expect them to be serving 7 course meals and sipping tea.

but dam ... is it too much to ask to have some kind of rallying point established and some form of communication going on. I mean even if it's just police with bullhorns moving through the city telling the people where to move to.

they had 48 hours notice after they knew that a cat 5 hurricane was hitting.

They could of had SOMETHING planned

as far as i can tell the extent of their plan was "get out of town ... if you can't then go to the superdome" :shrug:
Yep, a little communication goes a long ways.

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:44 PM
uh huh, and did this scenario include murderous rampaging gangs of armed thugs who make relief efforts extremely difficult? Or did we just assume that human beings in the US would not start to behave like animals?

You can plan and plan all you want for the what-if scenarios to be ready if an armed robber breaks into your door with a gun, but what happens if he smashes into your living room with a car? Not expected, and makes all the plans in the world about as useful as if you never bothered in the first place.

Uh, those gangs wouldn't be able to roam the streets free if the levy hadn't broken and flooded the entire city...

this is no which came first scenario. It's crystal clear which came first.

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 10:44 PM
Where did I say they'd be in the streets? Where did I say alternate locations aren't available?

Regardless, these people traveled 3 hours by bus (some with no air conditioning) to a destination that was to be their shelter only to be told they can't stay there, go elsewhere? Come on.


You're doing exactly what he said..come on...

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:46 PM
It's not that you're wrong...but you're not right either...It's not black or white. And that's the problem with you're politics...you want to depend on the government to a fault. I literally heard people say in the past few days...they didn't know to leave because the government didn't warn them in time...LMAO...Like I said...I didn't mean to type whore...but I was thinking it...obviously....carry on

In a national disaster/emergency it's the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT who is responsible. That is why we freakin pay taxes.

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 10:46 PM
uh huh, and did this scenario include murderous rampaging gangs of armed thugs who make relief efforts extremely difficult? Or did we just assume that human beings in the US would not start to behave like animals?

You can plan and plan all you want for the what-if scenarios to be ready if an armed robber breaks into your door with a gun, but what happens if he smashes into your living room with a car? Not expected, and makes all the plans in the world about as useful as if you never bothered in the first place.

I can imagine that's a variable they leave out of a study...you really can't account for the un-educated people that happen to dwell in NO's.

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 10:47 PM
In a national disaster/emergency it's the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT who is responsible. That is why we freakin pay taxes.

No...it's everybody who's responsible...you don't get it.

KC Dan
09-01-2005, 10:47 PM
To those who are echoing this particular arguement, you are being stupid. At least meme has the excuse of wanting to be deceptive for political gain.
Who posted that Rumsfeld crap? mememimimi??? Jeez, The State & local gov't's can and should take over any and all available spaves to evacuate people to in an emergency. Waiting for the feds is a copout. The state gov't is there and should take whatever actions necessary for immediate public safety.

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:47 PM
You're doing exactly what he said..come on...

No, I've not said that. You are implying I said it by omission...nice. Clearly, other shelters MIGHT be available. But FEMA planned on 25k for THIS shelter. How the hell did they fugg up THIS plan so badly. Especially on top of the other plans they've fugged up.

alnorth
09-01-2005, 10:48 PM
Uh, those gangs wouldn't be able to roam the streets free if the levy hadn't broken and flooded the entire city...

this is no which came first scenario. It's crystal clear which came first.

What in the holy hell are you talking about?

You made it crystal clear that you were in a tizzy because the govt did not execute the relief effort to perfection, and I explained why their planning was about as useful as a 3 dollar bill. So now you apparently are saying that you understand why the govt didnt do well in the relief operation, but are instead upset that the govt allowed the levee to break? Make up your mind, WTF is the topic here anyway?

KC Dan
09-01-2005, 10:48 PM
No...it's everybody who's responsible...you don't get it.
state and local taxes as well, not to mention general neighborliness. You are correct

stevieray
09-01-2005, 10:49 PM
Where did I say they'd be in the streets? Where did I say alternate locations aren't available?

Regardless, these people traveled 3 hours by bus (some with no air conditioning) to a destination that was to be their shelter only to be told they can't stay there, go elsewhere? Come on.

Weren't you the one bitching about the media sensationalizing and using scare tactics trying to get people to evacuate before the storm hit?

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:49 PM
Who posted that Rumsfeld crap? mememimimi??? Jeez, The State & local gov't's can and should take over any and all available spaves to evacuate people to in an emergency. Waiting for the feds is a copout. The state gov't is there and should take whatever actions necessary for immediate public safety.

It was not a political reference. Afterall, Rumsfeld IS the Secretary of Defense. Would he not be able to order a facility to be used for emergency purposes? Or could he not ask the WH to make an executive order? I know he's been active in the base closing issue. Would something like this not fall under his jurisdiction?

ChiTown
09-01-2005, 10:49 PM
I can imagine that's a variable they leave out of a study...you really can't account for the un-educated people that happen to dwell in NO's.

I can't imagine why they wouldn't have thought about that. Come on, the city get's flooded and ravished by the storm, so of course a small contingent will see this as an opportunity to take advantage of the city's weakness. Certainly, this had to be part of their worst case scenario.

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 10:50 PM
No, I've not said that. You are implying I said it by omission...nice. Clearly, other shelters MIGHT be available. But FEMA planned on 25k for THIS shelter. How the hell did they fugg up THIS plan so badly. Especially on top of the other plans they've fugged up.

because right now FEMA is in panick mode and they're skipping steps...like consulting the fire marshall

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:51 PM
What in the holy hell are you talking about?

You made it crystal clear that you were in a tizzy because the govt did not execute the relief effort to perfection, and I explained why their planning was about as useful as a 3 dollar bill. So now you apparently are saying that you understand why the govt didnt do well in the relief operation, but are instead upset that the govt allowed the levee to break? Make up your mind, WTF is the topic here anyway?

You are correct. They have made serious and terrible errors of judgement in the following:

-executing the relief effort

-planning for the relief effort

-diverting funds for addressing the problem to the war in Iraq (not a political opinion but has been documented fact)

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:52 PM
:shake: like consulting the fire marshall

Well, that is reassuring.

And we are supposed to trust these guys to protect us against outside threats?

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 10:54 PM
I can't imagine why they wouldn't have thought about that. Come on, the city get's flooded and ravished by the storm, so of course a small contingent will see this as an opportunity to take advantage of the city's weakness. Certainly, this had to be part of their worst case scenario.

I don't know...I haven't read the study. Whenone conducts a study you hope the actual crtieria and the concpetual criteria overlap as much as possible. But there is no such thing as a perfect study...all confounds can not be accounted for...

Or maybe they did account for it, but based on what actually happened...there was a gap elsewhere...

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 10:55 PM
Well, that is reassuring.

And we are supposed to trust these guys to protect us against outside threats?
Like I said...you depend on the government to a fault. Sometimes you have to make decisions on your own. And really...because you want to depend on the government so I much...I don't see where you Denise have another option.

ChiTown
09-01-2005, 10:57 PM
I'm going to bed. I plan on praying for these people (refugees), as well as for the improved vision and wisdom of our state and Fed govt.

God bless the South and it's people.

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 10:58 PM
I'm going to bed. I plan on praying for these people (refugees), as well as for the improved vision and wisdom of our state and Fed govt.

God bless the South and it's people.

Amen


But it'll get worse for all of us before it gets better...and if you wonder what I mean by that...just wait...30 days should do it.

memyselfI
09-01-2005, 10:58 PM
Like I said...you depend on the government to a fault. Sometimes you have to make decisions on your own. And really...because you want to depend on the givernment so I much...I don't see where you Denise have another option.

You are a joke. You are willing to give away personal liberties so the government can 'protect' you against outside forces harming your safety. And yet, you diss people who expect the government to protect them and their safety at a time of national emergency?* It's ok to expect the protection if it's something that impacts you...that is the bottom line here.


(*borderline political commentary...I'm headed to bed before I go there completely)

stevieray
09-01-2005, 10:58 PM
This thread belongs in the DC froum

Logical
09-01-2005, 11:00 PM
What I don't get is why there is not a full on mobilization to build tent cities in the deactivated military bases in Northern Miss, Ala, and Northern Fla. It is a disgrace that someone in FEMA is not managing several such projects.

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 11:01 PM
You are a joke. You are willing to give away personal liberties so the government can 'protect' you against outside forces harming your safety. And yet, you diss people who expect the government to protect them at a time of national emergency?*


(*borderline political commentary...I'm headed to bed before I go there completely)

Now who's name calling?

I haven't given away any personal liberties...and I can only assume you are refering to things like the PA...I live my life exactly same as before the PA...and I bet you do to. G'Night

And I can tell by the way you whine you're a tubby one...lay off the food.

Logical
09-01-2005, 11:02 PM
What I don't get is why there is not a full on mobilization to build tent cities in the deactivated military bases in Northern Miss, Ala, and Northern Fla. It is a disgrace that someone in FEMA is not managing several such projects.

Hell I seem to have more ideas than the FEMA bozos maybe they should use me as a consultant. I will do the work as a volunteer service from my home.

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 11:05 PM
Hell I seem to have more ideas than the FEMA bozos maybe they should use me as a consultant. I will do the work as a volunteer service from my home.

If they've got empty bases there and not pulling the trigger on that...WTF...or perhaps they're getting them ready for exactly what you're talking about.

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 11:05 PM
And Denise...who's the Chiefs backup left tackle?

keg in kc
09-01-2005, 11:06 PM
who's the Chiefs backup left tackle?Is that anything like an H-back?

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 11:07 PM
Is that anything like an H-back?


LOL

Logical
09-01-2005, 11:08 PM
Is that anything like an H-back?No but I wish I knew the answer to that question as I bet Vermiel does as well.:(

Logical
09-01-2005, 11:10 PM
If they've got empty bases there and not pulling the trigger on that...WTF...or perhaps they're getting them ready for exactly what you're talking about.Many of them have been deactivated since shortly after Vietnam and of course are in disrepair but would be a great place to start on Tent Cities.

trndobrd
09-01-2005, 11:18 PM
FOX is now reporting that they will limit the Astrodome to 12k and send the rest to other shelters throughout the Houston area. 20K seemed like a large number to bed down in an arena.

WoodDraw
09-01-2005, 11:37 PM
FOX is now reporting that they will limit the Astrodome to 12k and send the rest to other shelters throughout the Houston area. 20K seemed like a large number to bed down in an arena.

This is a shitty situation but I don't think Houston is being unfair. They don't want to shove thousands of people into the stadium and end up not being able to comfortably take care of them all. From what I've heard, other cities close by have already prepared shelters and are ready for people. It sucks for the people who are being turning away but hopefully it will work out better for everyone.

Garcia Bronco
09-01-2005, 11:43 PM
Nor do they want to end up with the same situation as the superdome...you can take the people out of the gettio but you can't take the gettio out of the people

tk13
09-01-2005, 11:49 PM
Well, Denise got her fish on a hook. Eventually. Tis inevitable.

trndobrd
09-01-2005, 11:58 PM
This is a shitty situation but I don't think Houston is being unfair. They don't want to shove thousands of people into the stadium and end up not being able to comfortably take care of them all. From what I've heard, other cities close by have already prepared shelters and are ready for people. It sucks for the people who are being turning away but hopefully it will work out better for everyone.


It's one thing to put 50k bodies in Astrodome for three hours to pound a few beers and hotdogs and watch the Astros lose a baseball game. It's an entirely different situation to put people in there to eat, sleep, shower and live for what will be months on end.

It doesn't sound like they are just being told, "nope, can't stay here" but that they are being transported to other shelters.

Piper
09-02-2005, 05:04 AM
No, I'm being practical. Is it rough? Yeah.

What they should have done was send one or two busses to each of a bunch of cities so that no one would get burried. No city can just take on 20,000 likely welfare recipients in a week and not be totally hosed.
Don't send them to NY. We're already a welfare state!

Saulbadguy
09-02-2005, 05:20 AM
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Iowanian
09-02-2005, 07:10 AM
They are on cots on the floor. What a fuggin mess. FEMA has now botched THIS aspect of their rescue... :shake: :cuss: :banghead:

Maybe you should just hop on your broom, fly on down there, do your Shazam! and show them how a genius like you would handle this.....

Iowanian
09-02-2005, 07:16 AM
Well, that is reassuring.

And we are supposed to trust these guys to protect us against outside threats?

You ignorant skank........The fire marshall just might be, being extra cautious, due to the fact that some of these "Refugees" are doing shit like shooting at aid workers, and lighting fires in the superdome........whose to say they wouldn't do the same damn thing with a stadium full of people in Texas?

If they put 25K people in there, with ice, coolaide, showers and everything they could ask for....and some asshole lit it and killed a thousand of them......you'd blame Bush and the govt for that Too.

Once again, you do nothing but stand in the peanut gallery, bitching while others are doing the work.

Its EVERY bit as much of a responsibility to contribute to their own well being, those CITIZENS who have been displaced. Believe it or not....Its completely ok to try to help the situation, by at least cooperating....if not volunteering to help out.

Ari Chi3fs
09-02-2005, 07:35 AM
Damn, these poor people are going on the Dome/Arena Tour 2005. Shit bring a few up to Kemper... we dont use that ****er.

chagrin
09-02-2005, 07:38 AM
I'm curious, what about the Compaq Center? Joel Osteen's huge ass church? He seats 25k there each week.

StcChief
09-02-2005, 08:58 AM
On to San Antonio. Hoops won't be on for a while.

kchero
09-02-2005, 09:32 AM
You ignorant skank........The fire marshall just might be, being extra cautious, due to the fact that some of these "Refugees" are doing shit like shooting at aid workers, and lighting fires in the superdome........whose to say they wouldn't do the same damn thing with a stadium full of people in Texas?

If they put 25K people in there, with ice, coolaide, showers and everything they could ask for....and some asshole lit it and killed a thousand of them......you'd blame Bush and the govt for that Too.

Once again, you do nothing but stand in the peanut gallery, bitching while others are doing the work.

Its EVERY bit as much of a responsibility to contribute to their own well being, those CITIZENS who have been displaced. Believe it or not....Its completely ok to try to help the situation, by at least cooperating....if not volunteering to help out.

I agree with you 100%, I hate people trying to push their political "agenda" during a national emergency......Hey memyselfI, BUSH won get over it and move on.............ohh by the way find a life while your at it.

Mile High Mania
09-02-2005, 09:34 AM
This bitch drives me nuts...

KC Dan
09-02-2005, 09:38 AM
This bitch drives me nuts...
ignore, it's liberating and you have to deal with the quotes.

Soupnazi
09-02-2005, 09:40 AM
Seriously, why don't we just find a way to keep her in the DC forum only. She leaves a stench everywhere she goes. God knows the only reason she's on the board is to stir up political crap anyway.

KC Dan
09-02-2005, 09:41 AM
I think the real goal is to take this board down like Pigskin Park, that is my take. That way the Raiders finally beat the Chiefs. :)

kchero
09-02-2005, 09:48 AM
Seriously, why don't we just find a way to keep her in the DC forum only. She leaves a stench everywhere she goes. God knows the only reason she's on the board is to stir up political crap anyway.

Agreed!.....Talk about someone who cant get over it....let it go...Im sure there is a 12 step program out there or something.

Chief Henry
09-02-2005, 10:05 AM
-diverting funds for addressing the problem to the war in Iraq (not a political opinion but has been documented fact)



Hey Duh-nce Queen. The levee system in N'ahlens should have been
IMPROVED DECADES AGO. TO put the blame of this on the shoulders of President Bush and his ADM. is nothing more than crap which is what you must see everytime you look in the mirror.

N'ahlens was flooded out back in the 20's.... If the DUTCH are smart enough to build a system of 2 and 3 levee's wide protection, then the
N'ahlens and Lousiana leaders and US Army CORE of Engineers should have learned something in that 80 year time spand. Specially the people that LIVE RIGHT THERE in that area. You would think they would have had relied on more than just ONE LEVEE for protection.
What did they learn over that 80 years?

Chief Henry
09-02-2005, 10:13 AM
You ignorant skank........The fire marshall just might be, being extra cautious, due to the fact that some of these "Refugees" are doing shit like shooting at aid workers, and lighting fires in the superdome........whose to say they wouldn't do the same damn thing with a stadium full of people in Texas?

If they put 25K people in there, with ice, coolaide, showers and everything they could ask for....and some asshole lit it and killed a thousand of them......you'd blame Bush and the govt for that Too.

Once again, you do nothing but stand in the peanut gallery, bitching while others are doing the work.

Its EVERY bit as much of a responsibility to contribute to their own well being, those CITIZENS who have been displaced. Believe it or not....Its completely ok to try to help the situation, by at least cooperating....if not volunteering to help out.




Yesterday afternoon for the first time I spent about 20 minutes inside the Democrat Undergound message board. I can't beleave the HATE i was reading. They call white man that listen to talk radio angry and hateful. Go spend several minutes in that crap house and you'll see
HATE.



Iowanian,
If I could give you more reps I would, but i can't...

Lzen
09-02-2005, 11:18 AM
Den ise, I was watching a Houston authority (mayor?, city manager, I don't remember) and he was telling them that the Astrodome was ready to take 20 or 25k people. So, I don't see how that is FEMA's fault. It would seem to me that would fall on the shoulders of the city of Houston. But of course, we all know you won't let that stand in your way of political sniping. :rolleyes:

KC Dan
09-02-2005, 11:19 AM
I posted this over in DC but whaddya all think?

I'd like to see the Extreme Home Makeover team get hundreds home builders with gov't and private money building thousands of apt. complexes on land in NO, East TX, Ark. wherever. They could get gov't to take over the land (Sup.Ct case results) and start building. They could have thousands up in a couple of weeks. They just don't need to outfit them with plasma tv's. The refugees already have their own. Ok, that wasn't fair. :banghead:

Inspector
09-02-2005, 12:36 PM
Seeing those babies almost dead from dehydration.........

Man, that's hard to see. I keep seeing the faces of my grandchildren.

I must be a big baby cuz this makes me want to cry.

JOhn
09-02-2005, 03:39 PM
This bitch drives me nuts...
Yea well you are not alone. :shake:

memyselfI
09-02-2005, 03:53 PM
Seeing those babies almost dead from dehydration.........

Man, that's hard to see. I keep seeing the faces of my grandchildren.

I must be a big baby cuz this makes me want to cry.

Correction, you must be human.

memyselfI
09-02-2005, 03:55 PM
Den ise, I was watching a Houston authority (mayor?, city manager, I don't remember) and he was telling them that the Astrodome was ready to take 20 or 25k people. So, I don't see how that is FEMA's fault. It would seem to me that would fall on the shoulders of the city of Houston. But of course, we all know you won't let that stand in your way of political sniping. :rolleyes:

FEMA is coordinating the effort? You are telling me that no one thought to ask the fire marshall what the capacity is before sending 25k their way?

memyselfI
09-02-2005, 03:56 PM
This bitch drives me nuts...

:deevee: :deevee: :deevee:

I HAD to open this thread to be driven nuts. :deevee: :deevee: :deevee:

kchero
09-02-2005, 09:55 PM
:deevee: :deevee: :deevee:

I HAD to open this thread to be driven nuts. :deevee: :deevee: :deevee:

No, we opened this thread to read about the sad events concerning NO, not to listen to you push your political views during a national disaster of all times...Seriously stop with it and stop swinging from Kerry's left nut (I wonder if he botoxed that as well).

Frazod
09-02-2005, 09:58 PM
No, we opened this thread to read about the sad events concerning NO, not to listen to you push your political views during a national disaster of all times...Seriously stop with it and stop swinging from Kerry's left nut (I wonder if he botoxed that as well).

and THANK YOU for bringing it back to the top of the topic list, numbnuts. :shake:

Funny how the people who whine about her the most keep her threads alive and endlessly quote her so that the IGNORE function is rendered useless.

Take a blow. :shake:

kchero
09-02-2005, 10:05 PM
and THANK YOU for bringing it back to the top of the topic list, numbnuts. :shake:

Funny how the people who whine about her the most keep her threads alive and endlessly quote her so that the IGNORE function is rendered useless.

Take a blow. :shake:

I will thank you :clap:

Logical
09-02-2005, 10:23 PM
You ignorant skank........The fire marshall just might be, being extra cautious, due to the fact that some of these "Refugees" are doing shit like shooting at aid workers, and lighting fires in the superdome........whose to say they wouldn't do the same damn thing with a stadium full of people in Texas?

If they put 25K people in there, with ice, coolaide, showers and everything they could ask for....and some asshole lit it and killed a thousand of them......you'd blame Bush and the govt for that Too.

Once again, you do nothing but stand in the peanut gallery, bitching while others are doing the work.

Its EVERY bit as much of a responsibility to contribute to their own well being, those CITIZENS who have been displaced. Believe it or not....Its completely ok to try to help the situation, by at least cooperating....if not volunteering to help out.So it is DEnise's fault that some ignroant folks estimated initially they could hold 20 or 25K so that far too many people were put on buses to be sent to Texas where they would be turned away?

Is that what you are really saying?

redsurfer11
09-03-2005, 12:18 AM
Uh, no. The fire marshall said they were going to be over capacity in the facility. :cuss:


fire Marshal has only 1 L in the word. One L for the title Marshal. Two LL's for the name Marshall. FYI

Phobia
09-03-2005, 12:29 AM
So it is DEnise's fault that some ignroant folks estimated initially they could hold 20 or 25K so that far too many people were put on buses to be sent to Texas where they would be turned away?

Is that what you are really saying?

There's 15k in the dome right now. Another 10k are housed around the city. Is there a problem?

stumppy
09-03-2005, 12:35 AM
So it is DEnise's fault that some ignroant folks estimated initially they could hold 20 or 25K so that far too many people were put on buses to be sent to Texas where they would be turned away?

Is that what you are really saying?


I'm good with that.

Logical
09-03-2005, 12:55 AM
There's 15k in the dome right now. Another 10k are housed around the city. Is there a problem?That is not my point, my point is that was senseless bashing of DEnise just because she had the temerity to point out that a failure to properly estimate had been made. Some of the bashing of her is certainly warranted, much is just automatic.

stumppy
09-03-2005, 01:02 AM
That is not my point, my point is that was senseless bashing of DEnise


Santa Claus
Easter Bunny
Senseless bashing of Duhnise


No such thing.:p

Phobia
09-03-2005, 06:15 AM
That is not my point, my point is that was senseless bashing of DEnise just because she had the temerity to point out that a failure to properly estimate had been made. Some of the bashing of her is certainly warranted, much is just automatic.

Yeah, I feel sorry for her, too. She definitely doesn't deserve all the shit she gets. People act like she's always stirring the shit which definitely isn't true at all.

BigOlChiefsfan
09-03-2005, 06:27 AM
Those selfish Texans!

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050903/ap_on_re_us/katrina_refugees_hk4

And why oh WHY didn't the mayor of Houston activate all these New Orleans buses to haul out the poor and elderly back before the storm hit?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015

What? Not Houston's call? Mayor of New Orleans? Oh, in that case, nevermind.

Warrior5
09-03-2005, 08:29 AM
I officially make a motion to move this thread to DC.

Mile High Mania
09-03-2005, 09:43 AM
Yeah, I feel sorry for her, too. She definitely doesn't deserve all the shit she gets. People act like she's always stirring the shit which definitely isn't true at all.

That could very well be true, but she has an extremely high "ass whip factor" and I can't remember the last time I read a comment from her that made me think "hmmm, that was sports related" or "hmmm, that made sense".

Mile High Mania
09-03-2005, 09:46 AM
So it is DEnise's fault that some ignroant folks estimated initially they could hold 20 or 25K so that far too many people were put on buses to be sent to Texas where they would be turned away?

Is that what you are really saying?

It's her fault that over the course of the last several years, she has put herself into the postion she is today. I know "put her on ignore", that doesn't save me from the other replies, so I deal with it.

1% of her posts are sports related... she whips my ass and makes me cry for the future of humanity.

|Zach|
09-03-2005, 10:06 AM
Well, Denise got her fish on a hook. Eventually. Tis inevitable.Of course, people on this board are obsessed with her. They wouldn't know what to do without her. Some who wanted her booted the most converse with her the most.

Amazing.

|Zach|
09-03-2005, 10:08 AM
and THANK YOU for bringing it back to the top of the topic list, numbnuts. :shake:

Funny how the people who whine about her the most keep her threads alive and endlessly quote her so that the IGNORE function is rendered useless.

Take a blow. :shake:Damn Frazod beat me. You are right...it is incredible.

memyselfI
09-03-2005, 11:55 AM
There's 15k in the dome right now. Another 10k are housed around the city. Is there a problem?

Not at all. After the initial glitch, it seems that the folks in TX are doing things right. That is some very good news after all the bad that has come from the past week.

The initial frustration came from the idea that these people spent three days in hell, 6 hours in a bus, only to be turned away to places unknown. How much more could they take?

The good news is it sounds like Houston is doing a good job of hosting these people and now all we need to do is pray that there is nothing else headed to that region because they would not be able to handle much more.

PastorMikH
09-03-2005, 12:11 PM
I won't bother reading this thread so maybe my sentiments have already been expressed. I am wondering, with Denise slamming the astrodome, how many of the New Orleans refugees does she have staying at her house?

Skip Towne
09-03-2005, 12:24 PM
and THANK YOU for bringing it back to the top of the topic list, numbnuts. :shake:

Funny how the people who whine about her the most keep her threads alive and endlessly quote her so that the IGNORE function is rendered useless.

Take a blow. :shake:
Fuggin' n00bs!!!

Nelson Muntz
09-03-2005, 07:49 PM
And I just read this utterly shocking and despicable story on the BBC which was posted on a blog:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4206276.stm


There were also reports in the blog of evacuees in hotels in Tallahassee being asked to leave because their rooms were reserved months in advance for the big college football game there this weekend.


Yeah it isn't morally right to do that, but if you would research just a little bit you would discover that it is a law in Florida that a reservation must be kept by the hotel. Its even been discussed on Chiefsplanet, thats where I learned about it and then did some looking on my own. So you're saying these hotels should cancel these reservations and open themselves up to lawsuits? With the f*cked up courts in this country the disgruntled fans who wanted to watch a game would win.

jcl-kcfan2
09-03-2005, 08:17 PM
Nor do they want to end up with the same situation as the superdome...you can take the people out of the gettio but you can't take the gettio out of the people


I live south of Houston (League City), there are stories about what is going on down there, around the Astrodome, and it isn't good.

memyselfI
09-03-2005, 08:42 PM
I won't bother reading this thread so maybe my sentiments have already been expressed. I am wondering, with Denise slamming the astrodome, how many of the New Orleans refugees does she have staying at her house?

You should read the thread... :rolleyes:

memyselfI
09-03-2005, 08:44 PM
Yeah it isn't morally right to do that, but if you would research just a little bit you would discover that it is a law in Florida that a reservation must be kept by the hotel. Its even been discussed on Chiefsplanet, thats where I learned about it and then did some looking on my own. So you're saying these hotels should cancel these reservations and open themselves up to lawsuits? With the f*cked up courts in this country the disgruntled fans who wanted to watch a game would win.

Lawsuits, for canceling reservations during a national emergency? I don't think there is a judge in this country who wouldn't laugh a lawyer out of court if they tried to pull this.

memyselfI
09-03-2005, 08:45 PM
I live south of Houston (League City), there are stories about what is going on down there, around the Astrodome, and it isn't good.

As long as they are 'stories' then there should be no problem...

I bet there are people in Houston who don't want this problem and would be quite happy to 'hear' stories like those.

Bwana
09-03-2005, 08:58 PM
As long as they are 'stories' then there should be no problem...

I bet there are people in Houston who don't want this problem and would be quite happy to 'hear' stories like those.

Don't you have a roadside bomb to go make or something? :shake:

Logical
09-03-2005, 09:15 PM
Yeah, I feel sorry for her, too. She definitely doesn't deserve all the shit she gets. People act like she's always stirring the shit which definitely isn't true at all.Don't get me wrong, she probably does deserve much if not most of what she gets. I just thought it was not warranted this time. I don't think TJ gets as much for his shit stirring and I know I don't.

chiefs4me
09-03-2005, 09:17 PM
There's 15k in the dome right now. Another 10k are housed around the city. Is there a problem?




NO ONE is being turned away from Texas......Dallas said they would take in 25 thousand and they are...housing them around the city and small towns. I live in a city of 23 thousand and we have taken in more then 1000 people. I live a mile from our county fairgrounds, which hold 200 families right now......any building that is suitable and has air is being used. Houston is turning them away from the dome because it is full...they are not turning them away from the city.....they are housing them in homes, churchs,shelters, ect.....NO one is being turned away from Texas....my god people..these are our american people.

chiefs4me
09-03-2005, 09:20 PM
I probably quoted the wrong person, because I got so mad..take your ass back to your side of the board meme

memyselfI
09-03-2005, 09:23 PM
I probably quoted the wrong person, because I got so mad..take your ass back to your side of the board meme

Ya know, it's alittle silly for you to come to a thread almost 48 hours after it's started and give updates we've seen in the news since then.

But we'll give you an *A* for effort. :thumb:

chiefs4me
09-03-2005, 09:24 PM
Let's also not forget our other great cities San Antonio, Austin and Albuquerque.....they are also taking in thousands of people.

memyselfI
09-03-2005, 09:28 PM
Let's also not forget our other great cities San Antonio, Austin and Albuquerque.....they are also taking in thousands of people.

Yes, and they are also doing a fantastic job taking in the homeless pets too. They get major kudos from me for what they are doing.

chiefs4me
09-03-2005, 09:30 PM
Ya know, it's alittle silly for you to come to a thread almost 48 hours after it's started and give updates we've seen in the news since then.

But we'll give you an *A* for effort. :thumb:



I got something for you tooooo.....


silly...who says so? You? Got a news flash for you....I don't give a shit what you think......:rolleyes:

keg in kc
09-03-2005, 09:37 PM
If you don't give a shit what she thinks, then why are you reading and replying to what she says?

WilliamTheIrish
09-03-2005, 09:40 PM
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/topstory/3337672

A growing sense of calm settled in today among the 24,950 Hurricane Katrina evacuees housed on the Reliant Center grounds and the George R. Brown Convention Center.

"They are less restless today than yesterday," said Harris County Tax Assessor Paul Bettencourt, who is acting as a spokesman for the operation. "It's a different mood in the hall."

Offiicals said they have room for about 8,000 more flood victims if necessary.

Nearly 10,000 volunteers including more than 2,600 today have reported for work at the Reliant complex since the first buses pulled into the Astrodome parking lot Thursday night.

"We have had an awful lot of volunteers come here," said Lt. Joe Leonard of the U.S. Coast Guard, who is overseeing the Reliant complex shelter operation. "It's almost overwhelming."

Dozens of volunteers lined up shoulder to shoulder guiding 2,000 evacuees who spent Friday night in the Astrodome's bleachers toward awaiting cots in Reliant Center.

So many doctors showed up that there wasn't enough work to go around, said Dr. Kenneth Mattox of the Harris County Hospital District.

"Despite rumors to the contrary, we are not short of doctors and nurses," he said. "At one point, we had four doctors for every patient."

Doctors evaluated 749 patients in one three-hour period, sending six of them to the hospital for further treatment. Five of them were children suffering from gastrointestinal symptoms, raising fears that illness might spread quickly among the tightly packed evacuees.

"We have been concerned about that since the beginning of the operation," Mattox said.

"Almost every institution in the Texas Medical Center responded," said Mike McKinney, head of the clinic at the shelter at the George R. Brown Convention Center, at a news conference today.

McKinney, of the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston, said the onsite outpatient clinic has access to ambulances, specialists, nurses and mental health workers.

Meanwhile, the Red Cross set up a bank of computers at the Reliant complex so evacuees could register on the agency's family links site www.redcross.org said Dr. Chris Johnson, who is helping oversee the relief agency's Astrodome operation. About 1,000 registered on the site in the first three hours.

Local law enforcement agencies have assigned roughly 500 officers to the Reliant complex and surrounding neighborhoods, but they have made few arrests, said Assistant Chief Brian Lumpkin of the Houston Police Department. Police made six arrests in the area last night, including one for a felony assault. The rest were misdemeanors, he said.

Officers are also investigating a possible sexual assault of a child, Lumpkin said. No arrests had been made as of mid-afternoon.
Police also reported that crime is down city-wide this weekend, Bettencourt said.
===================================================

It's getting better. Long way to go.

WilliamTheIrish
09-03-2005, 09:42 PM
From the same article..

The George R. Brown

It was dangerous to stand still in the volunteer area of the George R. Brown Convention Center this afternoon. Thousands of fast-moving volunteers were likely to run you down moving carts, boxes or trucks.

Volunteers of every age, size, skin color and attire worked briskly and surprisingly smoothly together, sorting, piling, arranging, while hundreds of others waited their turn and enthusiastically applauded.

The vast room set aside for donations and volunteers was already near capacity with shoes, toys, books, toiletries, shirts, children's clothing and all the things needed by people who suddenly have nothing. The arrivals at the Polk Street door of the center were non-stop: it took four people working full-time just to sort and fold towels.

Officials late today were unable to say how many volunteers had arrived to help at the convention center but there easily were thousands prepared to offer assistance.

``This effort has just exploded,'' said Keith Amos, a surgical fellow at M.D. Anderson Cancer who was volunteering a third night after working Thursday and Friday night at Reliant Center. ``The scene in here is just amazing. It makes you feel good.''

Elsewhere, volunteers who showed up to start the 1 p.m. shift at the Houston Food Bank on the Eastex Freeway at Cavalcade today were told about 1:30 to leave. The food bank had so much food they were having to take time to organize and stack it out of safety concerns. About 200 volunteers outside the food bank had traffic stacked up in that area.



Star of Hope shelter

At the Star of Hope shelter, 1811 Ruiz, the pantry is well-stocked with donated supplies but word has been slow to circulate to those in need, City Councilman Gordon Quan said today.

``It's wonderful that so many people have given clothing and other things but it's important that people know how to access the system to receive needed supplies,'' said Quan, who had been assisting the shelter earlier.

Volunteers who turned out today to help distribute supplies had little to do, he said.

"People have volunteered time and sorted through everything, but they're just sitting around,'' Quan said. ``It's frustrating that people have been so generous but no one's picking it up.''

Evacuees can pick up clothes from 7:30 a.m. to 10 p.m. seven days a week.

Meanwhile inside and outside the Astrodome today, there have been many people walking around with signs listing the loved ones they're trying to find. Loudspeaker announcements directed evacuees to designated areas to find relatives - half of the alphabet on even hours and the other on odd hours. There was also an announcement of free flights to Denver. And there was a man walking around with a sign offering a ride out of town.

Outside, a phalanx of hundreds of volunteers created a 200-yard-long pathway for a number of evacuees to transfer from the Astrodome to Reliant Center this afternoon. Volunteers were carrying evacuees' belongings for them and pushing them in wheelchairs across the pavement.

One of these evacuees, Arthur Combre, 79, said amid dozens of attentive volunteers, he was rescued off a rooftop in East New Orleans after three days, made it to a church shelter and finally was evacuated.

"Nobody in New Orleans was helping," he said. But "we haven't wanted for anything since we've been here."

Over at the George R. Brown, volunteers welcomed evacuees with applause as they got off the buses.


The Houston Fire Department has mandated a limit of approximately 7,000 people for the convention center. Currently, there are beds for about 2,000, mostly large inflated mattresses. More beds, including cots or sleeping pads, are needed.

"We have calls out to try to get those resources," said Rep. Rick Noriega, who is in charge of the effort at the center.

Admitting they grossly over-estimated the number of evacuees who can be sheltered safely at the Astrodome, local leaders agreed Friday to open the convention center and other Reliant facilities to Katrina victims and canceled upcoming events at some of the venues.

About 200 evacuees arrived at the convention center about 11:30 p.m. Friday, most of them in private automobiles from Baytown, where they had been temporarily sheltered after driving from New Orleans. A busload of evacuees arrived about 8 a.m. today, but it was not known where they came from.

Local officials were also stationing people on the road between Houston and Lafayette, La., to count the buses en route here and to evaluate passengers so more will be known about their needs once that arrive here.

"Our system has been tested and we are ready for the rest of the week," City Councilman Adrian Garcia said. "We are expecting from a couple of hundred to 5,000 more people (at the convention center)."

Aaron Bayles, a registered nurse who works at St. Luke's Hospital, brought his stethescope and blood pressure cuff to the Astrodome this morning after he heard there was a need for medical personnel, but officials there asked him to go to the convention center instead, where they said there was a need for registered nurses.

Officials postponed today's scheduled Labor Day Classic at Reliant Stadium between football rivals Texas Southern University and Prairie View A&M. And they canceled Fiestas Patrias, a Mexican independence day celebration that had been expected to draw up to 50,000 to Reliant Center on Sunday.

Mayor Bill White said the situation was so dire in Louisiana and elsewhere on the Gulf Coast that the Houston area needs to do what is necessary to aid that region's homeless.

"We're going to kick people out who were planning to do things. This is an emergency," he said. "If it entails somebody suing us, then OK."

Six Flags Astroworld, across the South Loop from Reliant Park, announced it will be closed today, Sunday and Monday to ensure traffic does not interfere with relief efforts.

During a visit to Reliant Park Friday, Texas Gov. Rick Perry said he would be sending 1,000 National Guard troops to Houston to help with security around shelters. Some may be arriving by Sunday, he said.

The Astrodome housed 15,000 evacuees Friday night, with 3,000 at Reliant Arena and 8,000 at Reliant Center, Red Cross spokeswoman Denise Bishop said.

Local officials had planned since early Wednesday to use the Dome as shelter for 25,000 evacuees from the Louisiana Superdome in New Orleans, which lacked electricity, air conditioning and working toilets.

The plan was based on the premise that a stadium that held 62,000 for football could comfortably house 25,000.

But late Thursday, officials at the Astrodome stopped taking evacuees when its population reached 12,000, and Mike Ivy, interim fire marshal for the Houston Fire Department, deemed it overcrowded.

Some evacuees were moved into Reliant Arena, while others remained on the buses.

Harris County Judge Robert Eckels said emergency planning coordinators in the county Homeland Security & Emergency Management division are learning on the fly what works and what doesn't.

"The plan is evolving, continuously changing," he said.

About 35,000 cots had been delivered to the Astrodome, but only a few thousand were set up on the Dome floor, and the fire marshal's office concluded more would be dangerous.

Evacuees slept Thursday night in Dome seats, on the floor and in the grass outside.

"Easily, 800 people were sleeping outside the Dome on the grass on cardboard boxes," said Tracy McGaugh, a South Texas College of Law assistant professor who worked an overnight shift as a Dome volunteer.

On Friday night, only 4,500 of the 15,000 evacuees in the Dome had cots, Bishop said.

McGaugh and Kathy Bergin, a colleague from the law school who also volunteered, said security at the Dome seemed inadequate. Few officers were in sight, and groups of young men congregated in various places, making passers-by uneasy, McGaugh said.

Eckels said security has been added, along with an increased presence of volunteers among the evacuees.

White said Houstonians have nothing to fear of the recent arrivals. "I've met with some of the survivors," he said. "They are just people who are scared. They've been through hell and are thankful there's a city with a big heart to welcome them."

Eckels said he hoped to reduce the number of evacuees in the Dome from 15,000 to 12,000. Reliant Arena eventually will house 3,000, with another 8,000 in the large exhibition halls at Reliant Center. George R. Brown will take about 7,500, White said.

White's staff called an emergency City Council meeting for Monday to decide whether to set aside $10 million in a special fund to help with the evacuees.


Mayra Beltran / Chronicle
Officials hope to reduce the number of evacuees at the Astrodome, currently 15,000, by opening other shelters.
The council is expected to be briefed then on the efforts.

The money would pay for shelter, transportation, food vouchers and clothing. The city would seek reimbursement from the federal government.

Louisiana officials initially intended to send only Superdome evacuees to the Astrodome. That plan has changed. Evacuees from around Louisiana are now being bused to Houston, Eckels said.

Earlier Friday, a long line of cars formed on Kirby, waiting to turn into the Reliant Park complex or a makeshift donation site that has popped up nearby.

Gracie Conner of Sugar Land inched along in her SUV on a return trip to the site. Earlier, she had met evacuee Danielle Harper, who began crying, saying she couldn't find any clothes that fit her. Conner bought a load of clothes, gave some to Harper and dropped the rest off.

She invited Harper to stay with her and her husband, and Harper accepted.

"It hurts me. Can you imagine one day you wake up and you have no house, no car, no food? I am going to put people in my house," Conner said.

Volunteers from a number of churches may begin helping prepare meals for Reliant Park evacuees Tuesday or Wednesday, Eckels said. They would likely supplement the services of Aramark, which is providing food now.

Aramark is not taking food donated by area restaurants and residents on the orders of city officials, said company spokeswoman Kathleen Keenan

WilliamTheIrish
09-03-2005, 09:45 PM
So I guess a big "spoO" is in order for CNN and their leading biggest lamb?

Nice job D'nice.

Herzig
09-03-2005, 09:46 PM
Fort Smith, Arkansas took in 4000 today. I'm thinking Kansas City will get their share from New Orleans too.

Logical
09-03-2005, 09:46 PM
If you don't give a shit what she thinks, then why are you reading and replying to what she says?ROFL

memyselfI
09-03-2005, 09:51 PM
If you don't give a shit what she thinks, then why are you reading and replying to what she says?

Because it's an epidemic ailment around here... ROFL

memyselfI
09-03-2005, 09:57 PM
Fort Smith, Arkansas took in 4000 today. I'm thinking Kansas City will get their share from New Orleans too.

How sad to lose everything and then end up so far from home. I think the effort should fall on other states shoulders besides Texas, TN, FL, etc. But how sad for these refugees to not only lose everything but not even be able to stay close to their former homes. Hopefully it will be a temporary situation for them.

Nelson Muntz
09-04-2005, 01:01 AM
Lawsuits, for canceling reservations during a national emergency? I don't think there is a judge in this country who wouldn't laugh a lawyer out of court if they tried to pull this.

The law is the law. I do believe I've seen you type that before. Think of all the stupid rulings that lack common sense from our judicial system and tell me that its not a real possibility.

chiefs4me
09-04-2005, 11:25 AM
If you don't give a shit what she thinks, then why are you reading and replying to what she says?






Was I talking to you....I don't think so...so crawl back into your hole...:harumph:

stevieray
09-04-2005, 11:31 AM
I think if you post political crap in this forum you should be banished to the DC forum.

chiefs4me
09-04-2005, 11:35 AM
I think if you post political crap in this forum you should be banished to the DC forum.







:p

PastorMikH
09-04-2005, 03:07 PM
You should read the thread... :rolleyes:


Why don't you save me the time and just tell me the names of the people you have staying with you.


FWIW, we took up a sizable offering this morning to send to one of our churches down in TX that his helping house people in their church facilities and in member's homes. So yes, we are doing our part here.

chiefs4me
09-04-2005, 03:15 PM
Why don't you save me the time and just tell me the names of the people you have staying with you.


FWIW, we took up a sizable offering this morning to send to one of our churches down in TX that his helping house people in their church facilities and in member's homes. So yes, we are doing our part here.





owned by the Preacher....ROFL just made my day....:p

PastorMikH
09-04-2005, 03:22 PM
My appologies to the BB. I linked to the thread through my rep and forgot that this is on the main BB, not the DC Forum. Had I remembered that, I would have left this on the second page.

alanm
09-04-2005, 03:51 PM
It was not a political reference. Afterall, Rumsfeld IS the Secretary of Defense. Would he not be able to order a facility to be used for emergency purposes? Or could he not ask the WH to make an executive order? I know he's been active in the base closing issue. Would something like this not fall under his jurisdiction?
What the hell does Rumsfeld being the Sec of Defense have to do with the Hurricane? Was he supposed to scramble fighters to attack it??? :rolleyes:
Talk about f*cking dumb. :shake:

memyselfI
09-04-2005, 03:53 PM
What the hell does Rumsfeld being the Sec of Defense have to do with the Hurricane? Was he supposed to scramble fighters to attack it??? :rolleyes:
Talk about f*cking dumb. :shake:

Uh, the question was raised why the were not using local vacant military dormitories for shelters...

that is what he would have to do with the hurricane RELIEF.

memyselfI
09-04-2005, 03:56 PM
Was I talking to you....I don't think so...so crawl back into your hole...:harumph:

Lovely, a newbie with 5k posts telling a long time and respected member with 29k posts to crawl back to his hole...

Why don't you take your own advice? He'd be missed, I doubt many would notice if you did.

alanm
09-04-2005, 03:57 PM
Uh, the question was raised why the were not using local vacant military dormitories for shelters...

that is what he would have to do with the hurricane RELIEF.
I'm sure that Rumfeld isn't the micromanager that you seem to think he is. It's probably some nameless, faceless peon sitting in a cubicle in Baton Rouge that has the ability to pull the trigger on this decision.

memyselfI
09-04-2005, 03:59 PM
I'm sure that Rumfeld isn't the micromanager that you seem to think he is. It's probably some nameless, faceless peon sitting in a cubicle in Baton Rouge that has the ability to pull the trigger on this decision.

He is one of the people in the decision to open or close bases...

I imagine he'd have a say in opening one temporarily in a national emergency.

AirForceChief
09-04-2005, 04:29 PM
He is one of the people in the decision to open or close bases...

I imagine he'd have a say in opening one temporarily in a national emergency.

So I missed the answer...who have you helped out by taking them into your home? I'm sure you've done plenty, maybe you should do yourself a favor and let folks know how supportive you've been of the relief efforts:

{Enter what you've done here.}

chiefs4me
09-04-2005, 05:05 PM
Lovely, a newbie with 5k posts telling a long time and respected member with 29k posts to crawl back to his hole...

Why don't you take your own advice? He'd be missed, I doubt many would notice if you did.




you crazy woman.....I was talking about you..:rolleyes: or are you a HE nowdays..ROFL


remind again who respects you?

stevieray
09-04-2005, 05:13 PM
You know why Denise is consistantly allowed to break the rules?

Because she knows the mods won't enforce them.

chiefs4me
09-04-2005, 05:17 PM
You know why Denise is consistantly allowed to break the rules?

Because she knows the mods won't enforce them.



what rules......ROFL

memyselfI
09-05-2005, 12:02 PM
So I missed the answer...who have you helped out by taking them into your home? I'm sure you've done plenty, maybe you should do yourself a favor and let folks know how supportive you've been of the relief efforts:

{Enter what you've done here.}

-Donated money to American Red Cross and Humane Society
-Rounded up donated pet supplies and delivered them
-Assisting to co-ordinate a fund raising effort within my kids school

And you?

memyselfI
09-05-2005, 12:03 PM
you crazy woman.....I was talking about you..:rolleyes: or are you a HE nowdays..ROFL


remind again who respects you?


Really? Perhaps you are having memory failure... ROFL
If you are going to insult a regular poster at least have the balls to stand by it. :shake:



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Was I talking to you....I don't think so...so crawl back into your hole...:harumph:

Cntrygal
09-05-2005, 03:41 PM
Rapid City is getting ready for about 1K or so to come up here.


Just a side note for those that mentioned the closed/closing military bases not being utilized. When a base has been closed - it has been "canabalized". A tent city would work - but to start putting people in the dorms and other buildings - alot of maintenance would have to be done. Plumbing fixtures/HVAC to name just a couple. PLUS.... depending on the "closure" - service lines (water) may have been completely disconnected. This type of stuff can be restored - but not overnight.

We have 3 dorms that are used exclusively by summer ROTC cadets. We spend a month restoring everything for use and then when they leave - we have to take everything back apart for the winter. OHHH..... and before someone says - "yeah, but you're in a cold weather climate" - we did the same thing to buildings that were not going to be used when I was at Altus Oklahoma (SW OK).

So anyway.... I don't know if the bases that are being alluded to fall into this category or not. I just thought I would mention that if buildings have been shut down - it's not as simple as turning on a valve to restore complete service to it.

KC Dan
09-05-2005, 03:45 PM
So anyway.... I don't know if the bases that are being alluded to fall into this category or not. I just thought I would mention that if buildings have been shut down - it's not as simple as turning on a valve to restore complete service to it.Good post. But, while the "REFUGEES" are temporarily elsewhere, those bases closed nearest to N.O. could be and should be getting ready to open. The Home Makeover team could do it. Just had a thought, take the money earmarked for NPR and put it towards this purpose. That's the ticket!

Bowser
09-05-2005, 04:12 PM
Another interesting, if difficult, angle......

(sorry if re-post)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050905/us_nm/migration_dc

memyselfI
09-05-2005, 04:19 PM
Rapid City is getting ready for about 1K or so to come up here.


Just a side note for those that mentioned the closed/closing military bases not being utilized. When a base has been closed - it has been "canabalized". A tent city would work - but to start putting people in the dorms and other buildings - alot of maintenance would have to be done. Plumbing fixtures/HVAC to name just a couple. PLUS.... depending on the "closure" - service lines (water) may have been completely disconnected. This type of stuff can be restored - but not overnight.

We have 3 dorms that are used exclusively by summer ROTC cadets. We spend a month restoring everything for use and then when they leave - we have to take everything back apart for the winter. OHHH..... and before someone says - "yeah, but you're in a cold weather climate" - we did the same thing to buildings that were not going to be used when I was at Altus Oklahoma (SW OK).

So anyway.... I don't know if the bases that are being alluded to fall into this category or not. I just thought I would mention that if buildings have been shut down - it's not as simple as turning on a valve to restore complete service to it.


Thank you for the information. That would make it a less desireable place short term. My thinking was it would likely be a secure and stable facility and as it was there was no power, water, or beds at the Superdome.