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Fried Meat Ball!
09-05-2005, 07:39 AM
First off, your team has problems just like all other teams but your problems are diffrent from others, meaning you have bartee out 4 games, your back up welbourn out for the same reason green wont be 100%, woods wants out, chemistry with your defense is going to be a problem, your secondary with the exception of surtain are the same for a couple of years they werent good then whats gonna make them good now?

Your offense is high powered but our team knows your weaknesses and strengths because of cheifs being together good amount of time. You guys have had the same offense and players for a while now, with exception of certain recievers, and priest holmes is getting old, he is no curtis martin.

Our defense is hungrier has more talent and has more playmakers then your D has, we can stop your offense, with maybe the exception of gonzalez, and one man isnt enough against our D, your WR dont scare anybody. Ty law is rusty but will shutdown your 1 and barrett can shut down your 2 (see last year in the playoffs) our DLINE is too much for any OLINE to handle honestly(see last year)
Our linebackers do i really need to elaborate on our LB's.

Our offense will chew up your defense, why?
Because our offensive playbook is new, we have coles back he can make any DB look silly especially surtain he has done it b4,
Curtis martin is curtis martin, our OLINE can dominate your DLINE mawae can handle anybody so can kendall, and fabini is a beast he is so strong and can punish, moore was a surprise last year and will be alot better, jones can be another McKenzie.

Im not saying you wont score you will, but we will score more, 35-24 we win.

neckdemon
09-05-2005, 07:44 AM
thats actually the worse of the two jets message boards. you wanna go to the better one, try www.jetsinsider.com

Fried Meat Ball!
09-05-2005, 07:45 AM
Thanks!

elvomito
09-05-2005, 07:48 AM
darn we're gonna miss bartee for those 4 games i just know it

Braincase
09-05-2005, 07:55 AM
Gosh - their one o-line pro-bowler is superior to that broken down O-line we've got... you guys know what I'm talking about, that Chiefs O-line with 4 Pro-Bowlers and the best blocking tight end in the game...

Big Chief Homer
09-05-2005, 07:57 AM
What was it John Rocker said about crack heads in New york?

I think It applies to that guy.

eazyb81
09-05-2005, 08:01 AM
"..and priest holmes is getting old, he is no curtis martin."

ROFL Ahhh......I needed that. ROFL

the Talking Can
09-05-2005, 08:04 AM
Willie Roaf is afraid of Abraham.




Not.





Brian Waters is afaird of [insert Jets player here].






Not.



etc...

PRIEST
09-05-2005, 08:08 AM
I belive this is where the resident jet's troll came from, I read a post that said we attacked him ROFL .No menchin of what kinda crap he posted over here ofcourse.

cdcox
09-05-2005, 08:10 AM
Ah, those sunny New Yorkers, you gotta love them.

elvomito
09-05-2005, 08:41 AM
i just got done reading a bunch of crap over there (http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/showthread.php?t=98465&page=3&pp=20).
they are so deceived but what do you expect? they've got a new super o-coordinator.. ooh watch out for the "helicopters"

the Talking Can
09-05-2005, 08:51 AM
I understand the Jet's fans feeling confident. They should be favored to win. They should make of fun of Bartee, even if they think he's Warfield. They should assume our defense is still terrible.

But our OL?

And our OL includes Dunn and T-Rich, two of the best blockers at their positions in the league. Our OL made Ray-Ray and all his knives cry on national tv.

Roaf has turned Freeney into a dingleberry on two occassions.

Shit, we Babe Ruth teams. We point left. We yell "We're running to the left!"....and then we run to the left. Over and over again. I'm pretty sure Waters laughs while he does it.

Whatever smack you're dumb enough to talk...be smart enough to leave the best OL in the league out of it.

Bowser
09-05-2005, 08:59 AM
"..and priest holmes is getting old, he is no curtis martin."

ROFL Ahhh......I needed that. ROFL

That was brilliant!

ROFL

the Talking Can
09-05-2005, 09:00 AM
bowser, nice avatar

:clap:

Bowser
09-05-2005, 09:02 AM
bowser, nice avatar

:clap:

Moocho grassyass!

:D

Katie
09-05-2005, 09:05 AM
Dosn't every team, on a weekly basis, study and pinpoint weaknesses on the opposition? I mean KNOWING your opponents Achilles heel and being able to ATTACK it are two different things.

Assuming our O-line is old and no longer a force is as dumb as mistaking Bartee for Warfield...

jspchief
09-05-2005, 09:07 AM
...and priest holmes is getting old, he is no curtis martin.

Priest Holmes is younger than Curtis Martin.

Not to mention having a lot less mileage on him.

Bowser
09-05-2005, 09:07 AM
Dosn't every team, on a weekly basis, study and pinpoint weaknesses on the opposition? I mean KNOWING your opponents Achilles heel and being able to ATTACK it are two different things.

Assuming our O-line is old and no longer a force is as dumb as mistaking Bartee for Warfield...

Hey! We will not allow facts to cloud Jets fan from thinking their defense is a replica of the '85 Bears, and their offense a replica of the 2003 Chiefs!

elvomito
09-05-2005, 09:09 AM
Moocho grassyass!
shave?

Bowser
09-05-2005, 09:10 AM
shave?

Wax. Brazilian. It's fun.

Dave Lane
09-05-2005, 09:14 AM
Gosh - their one o-line pro-bowler is superior to that broken down O-line we've got... you guys know what I'm talking about, that Chiefs O-line with 4 Pro-Bowlers and the best blocking tight end in the game...

Give some love to Tony R too!

Dave

mlyonsd
09-05-2005, 09:17 AM
Shit, we Babe Ruth teams. We point left. We yell "We're running to the left!"....and then we run to the left. Over and over again. I'm pretty sure Waters laughs while he does it.



ROFL

BigMeatballDave
09-05-2005, 09:42 AM
Priest Holmes is younger than Curtis Martin.

Not to mention having a lot less mileage on him.That's just what I was thinking...

KCinNY
09-05-2005, 09:48 AM
"..and priest holmes is getting old, he is no curtis martin."

Yeah, that's kinda like the New Yorker friend of mine who tries to convince me that Jeremey Shockey is "way better" than Tony Gonzales.

Bowser
09-05-2005, 09:50 AM
Yeah, that's kinda like the New Yorker friend of mine who tries to convince me that Jeremey Shockey is "way better" than Tony Gonzales.

When it comes to pissing off Mike Ditka, Shockey is far superior to Gonzalez.

milkman
09-05-2005, 09:58 AM
Yeah, that's kinda like the New Yorker friend of mine who tries to convince me that Jeremey Shockey is "way better" than Tony Gonzales.

I don't think that's a valid comparison.

I think Priest Holmes, if healthy, is a little bit more elusive than Martin, and at this point in their careers, a little faster.

They are different type runners.

But Curtis Martin is one of the most underrated players, not RBs, but players ever.

I mean, all the guy does is put up good to great numbers season after season after season.

Where is he on the all time list now, 6th?

He may be older, but I don't think he's yet ready to be put out to pasture.

tiptap
09-05-2005, 09:59 AM
The Jets had a great running game last year. They were successful running in all directions, left, right and in the middle. And you are always helped by having a great RB and Martin is. But the Jets face the same problem the 2003 Chiefs faced last year. They lost a very good RT. Maybe the weak link on the line? But the production numbers point to better running to the right and outside of tackle on the right then to the left last year. This year they will have to demonstrate that they can run to the right with a first year starter at RT. I don't how good he gets along the season. He will be having problems in the first game. The Jets running game may be coming down a notch. And even the bad DE play of last year doesn't cover up the Tackle play of the Chiefs. We were one of the better teams to stop runs for lost or no gain on 1st down. This is when most teams run inbetween tackles and most teams had little success there.
So I am looking forward to the game. I am more concerned about our own RT especially in the passing game. And I do have concerns for the our secondary. But I expect a lot of zone coverage early on and we won't see the blitzing man coverage until we are ahead.

jspchief
09-05-2005, 10:09 AM
I don't think that's a valid comparison.

I think Priest Holmes, if healthy, is a little bit more elusive than Martin, and at this point in their careers, a little faster.

They are different type runners.

But Curtis Martin is one of the most underrated players, not RBs, but players ever.

I mean, all the guy does is put up good to great numbers season after season after season.

Where is he on the all time list now, 6th?

He may be older, but I don't think he's yet ready to be put out to pasture.I'm not sure that Martin is under-rated. The biggest thing he has going for him is he just stays healthy. Starting close to every game for 10 years straight will get you some big career totals.

His career avg is a pretty unimpressive 4.1 ypc. He's only scored 21 rushing TDs in the last three years combined.

He's a heck of a workhorse, but he won't break a game open like Holmes or LJ could.

My prediction is he gets around 80 yards, but the Jets have to abandon the run to keep up with us.

Brock
09-05-2005, 10:15 AM
Their defense is hungrier....whatever that means.

milkman
09-05-2005, 10:19 AM
I'm not sure that Martin is under-rated. The biggest thing he has going for him is he just stays healthy. Starting close to every game for 10 years straight will get you some big career totals.

His career avg is a pretty unimpressive 4.1 ypc. He's only scored 21 rushing TDs in the last three years combined.

He's a heck of a workhorse, but he won't break a game open like Holmes or LJ could.

My prediction is he gets around 80 yards, but the Jets have to abandon the run to keep up with us.

Good point.

I think the one thing that has hurt Martin, and his YPC overall, is that until last season, he has been historically a slow starter at the beginning of the season.

Usually takes him 3-4 games to find his rhythm and legs.

Herzig
09-05-2005, 11:22 AM
Their defense is hungrier....whatever that means.

It must mean they can eat more.

Katipan
09-05-2005, 11:30 AM
Shit, we Babe Ruth teams. We point left. We yell "We're running to the left!"....and then we run to the left. Over and over again. I'm pretty sure Waters laughs while he does it.

ROFL

thats beautiful

alanm
09-05-2005, 11:43 AM
I understand the Jet's fans feeling confident. They should be favored to win. They should make of fun of Bartee, even if they think he's Warfield. They should assume our defense is still terrible.

But our OL?

And our OL includes Dunn and T-Rich, two of the best blockers at their positions in the league. Our OL made Ray-Ray and all his knives cry on national tv.

Roaf has turned Freeney into a dingleberry on two occassions.

Shit, we Babe Ruth teams. We point left. We yell "We're running to the left!"....and then we run to the left. Over and over again. I'm pretty sure Waters laughs while he does it.

Whatever smack you're dumb enough to talk...be smart enough to leave the best OL in the league out of it.
As of this morning the Chiefs are listed as a 3 pt favorite.

Herzig
09-05-2005, 11:48 AM
As of this morning the Chiefs are listed as a 3 pt favorite.

That means the odds makers believe it's an even matchup. 3pts is always figured in for the home team advantage.

the Talking Can
09-05-2005, 11:50 AM
As of this morning the Chiefs are listed as a 3 pt favorite.

I'm a little surprised by that. They must believe some of the hype about our D. Jets were a better team last year and their only huge question mark is Pennington's shoulder.

alanm
09-05-2005, 11:50 AM
That means the odds makers believe it's an even matchup. 3pts is always figured in for the home team advantage.
Did you happen to watch the Sports Illustrated special on the NFL Network yesterday. SI picked the Chiefs to win the West.
We're Doomed!! :banghead: :)

milkman
09-05-2005, 11:54 AM
I'm a little surprised by that. They must believe some of the hype about our D. Jets were a better team last year and their only huge question mark is Pennington's shoulder.

I don't think they believe the hype.

I'm not a gambler, but I'm betting oddsmaker actually do a lot of research, and pay close attention to games, even preseason.

They have a whole hell of lot more to lose than the so called media "experts".

Herzig
09-05-2005, 11:55 AM
Did you happen to watch the Sports Illustrated special on the NFL Network yesterday. SI picked the Chiefs to win the West.
We're Doomed!! :banghead: :)

Yeah, but that jinx only applies to Superbowls.

alanm
09-05-2005, 11:59 AM
Yeah, but that jinx only applies to Superbowls.
And the magazine cover. :)

cdcox
09-05-2005, 12:01 PM
Remember, the goal of the odds makers is to get even money on both sides of the game. Big market teams always get a little bit of extra money flowing their direction and the line must be adjusted accordingly to even things out.

Herzig
09-05-2005, 12:21 PM
Remember, the goal of the odds makers is to get even money on both sides of the game. Big market teams always get a little bit of extra money flowing their direction and the line must be adjusted accordingly to even things out.

So, you're saying the Chiefs actually have a chance :hmmm: :)

Herzig
09-05-2005, 12:24 PM
Remember, the goal of the odds makers is to get even money on both sides of the game. Big market teams always get a little bit of extra money flowing their direction and the line must be adjusted accordingly to even things out.

Agreed...also..that's just the opening line. The more money that gets placed on one team over another results in the oddsmaker and casinos adjusting the line accordingly. So, I guess I should wait until the last minute to place a bet when the line will be KC -2 or -2 and half.

cdcox
09-05-2005, 12:42 PM
Agreed...also..that's just the opening line. The more money that gets placed on one team over another results in the oddsmaker and casinos adjusting the line accordingly. So, I guess I should wait until the last minute to place a bet when the line will be KC -2 or -2 and half.

Nah, go ahead and place your bet. The Chiefs will win this one by a couple of touchdowns.

Chiefs Pantalones
09-05-2005, 12:51 PM
I hope that gay porn star fireman that's a Jets fan is traveling to the game so I can kick his ass. I hate that guy. Dude is wack. "Look at me!! Look at me!! I should spend my money better than this!!! Look at me!!! Look at me!!! My priorities are messed up!!! Wanna reach around, Mr. Pennington?!?!"

milkman
09-05-2005, 01:01 PM
I hope that gay porn star fireman that's a Jets fan is traveling to the game so I can kick his ass. I hate that guy. Dude is wack. "Look at me!! Look at me!! I should spend my money better than this!!! Look at me!!! Look at me!!! My priorities are messed up!!! Wanna reach around, Mr. Pennington?!?!"

So what you are saying is that you want to unleash the Vanilla Thunder on a gay porn star?

ROFL

Chiefs Pantalones
09-05-2005, 01:03 PM
So what you are saying is that you want to unleash the Vanilla Thunder on a gay porn star?

ROFL

:mad:

I just really hate that guy for some reason.

I'm not a person of rage, but if I ever see that guy I'll kick his ass. ROFL

Rain Man
09-05-2005, 01:11 PM
Here is the head to head starting roster. I divide up 10 points among each pair of players based on my own uninformed impressions.

Italics means a player has not been a starter in the NFL in the past. Bold means that he's new to the team or to the position this year.

Chiefs/Jets

HB - Holmes/Martin - 6/4 - Evenly matched, both players are strong. I like Holmes better, but I won't disresprect Martin. Holmes produces a little more.
FB - Richardson/Sowell - 7/3 - Sowell's career is similar to Richardson's but a couple of years behind him. He's where Richardson was before Richardson began being named to Pro Bowls.
QB - Green/Pennington - 6/4 - Jets fans won't like this, but Green is the higher performer and is more durable. Green has AVERAGED 4,000 yards passing per year for the past four years. Nonetheless, Pennington is a very strong quarterback, too.
WR - Kennison/Coles - 3/7 - Kennison has more long-yardage plays than Coles over the past 3 seasons (57 v. 56), but Coles has more first-down catches and more overall production.
WR - Parker/McCareins - 2/8 - Parker is a first-year starter with no performance record. McCareins is a proven #2/#3 receiver. Hopefully, Parker will close this gap quickly, but for now McCareins is more proven.
TE - Gonzalez/Chris Baker - 10/0 - Gonzalez is Gonzalez. Baker has one career start, and had a career year last year with 18 catches.
LT - Roaf/Fabini - 9/1 - Fabini is a solid multi-year starter, but he's 10 pro bowls behind Roaf, who is looking as strong as ever this year. Fabini is the only 300-lb. starter on the Jets' OL.
LG - Waters/Kendall - 8/2 - Waters made his first pro bowl last year, and is the strongest and perhaps most mobile KC o-lineman. Kendall is a solid but very undersized G at 280 lbs, while Waters is a beast.
C - Wiegman/Mawae - 4/6 - Mawae has a strong reputation, even if he has made a couple of "overrated" lists. Wiegman is underrated and deemed "small" even though he's only 4 pounds lighter than Mawae. Mawae gets the nod due to past performance.
RG - Shields/Brandon Moore - 10/0 - Shields has 10 pro bowls to his credit, and Moore won a starting job last year. Shields has advantages in size, experience, and skill. No contest.
RT - Sampson/Adrian Jones - 5/5 - Players have similar pedigrees. Both are new starters in their second year. Call it even.
K - Tynes/Nugent - 4/6 - Tynes is in his second year, Nugent is a rookie who was a high draft pick. Could be even, but a slight advantage to Nugent based on pedigree.
P - Colquitt/Graham - 6/4 - Two left-footed rookies coming in. Colquitt gets a slight advantage due to his pedigree as a high draft pick, but Graham has experience kicking in Australia under a different Coriolis effect.
KR - Hall/Justin Miller - 9/1 - All-pro Dante Hall versus an untested rookie, but one who excelled at kick returns in college. Hall gets most of the points until proven otherwise, but this gap could close to some extent.
FS - Wesley/Eric Coleman - 3/7 - Wesley makes the shift to free safety, and Coleman started as a rookie last year. Wesley has more experience and more turnovers per year, but has been off and on. Coleman had a good rookie year. Advantage Coleman.
SS - Knight/Oliver Celestin - 10/0 - Knight is a former pro bowler who produces lots of turnovers. Celestin is a second-year player who has not yet been a starter and was an undrafted free agent.
CB - Surtain/Law - 5/5 - Two high-profile cornerbacks playing for new teams. Who knows? Both are solid, with the question mark being Law's health. Call them even for now.
CB - McCleon/David Barrett - 3/7 - Two journeymen, with Barrett being somewhat more solid. McCleon produced more turnovers while Barrett produces more tackles. Knowing McCleon, we'll give Barrett an advantage at the moment.
OLB - Johnson/Victor Hobson - 6/4 - Johnson's a rookie, but a very high-caliber rookie. Hobson was a 2nd round pick in 2003 entering his third year as a non-impact starter. Slight advantage for Johnson at the moment, with the potential to make this no contest.
OLB - Bell/Eric Barton - 3/7 - Bell is a former all-pro who's had trouble staying on the field. Barton is a high achiever. Advantage Barton until Bell proves himself, but that may happen quickly.
MLB - Mitchell/Vilma - 0/10 - Let's just go on to the next comparison here. Mitchell has improved dramatically this season, so maybe he can steal a point or two.
LDE - Hicks/S. Ellis - 0/10 - Um, okay, maybe the one after this. I could probably give Hicks a point for being a veteran, but I won't.
RDE - Wilkerson/Bryan Thomas - 0/10 - Thomas is listed as the starter, but it'll probably be Abraham. Wilkerson could surprise some people, but he's proven nothing yet. Keep moving, keep moving, nothing to see here.
DT - Sims/Robertson - 1/9 - Well, crap. This is no fun. And I'm giving Sims the one point based on potential since he's played well in training camp.
DT - Dalton/James Reed - 4/6 - Okay, here's one that's close. Dalton and Reed are more or less the same guy, but Dalton's bigger and stronger. Reed has been very slightly more productive, so he'll get a slight advantage.

Our totals:

Offense: Chiefs 70, Jets, 40
Special Teams: Chiefs 19, Jets 11
Defense: Jets 75, Chiefs 35

Total: Jets 126, Chiefs 124

Critique away.

Chiefs Pantalones
09-05-2005, 01:14 PM
Here is the head to head starting roster. I divide up 10 points among each pair of players based on my own uninformed impressions.

Italics means a player has not been a starter in the NFL in the past. Bold means that he's new to the team or to the position this year.

Chiefs/Jets

HB - Holmes/Martin - 6/4 - Evenly matched, both players are strong. I like Holmes better, but I won't disresprect Martin. Holmes produces a little more.
FB - Richardson/Sowell - 7/3 - Sowell's career is similar to Richardson's but a couple of years behind him. He's where Richardson was before Richardson began being named to Pro Bowls.
QB - Green/Pennington - 6/4 - Jets fans won't like this, but Green is the higher performer and is more durable. Green has AVERAGED 4,000 yards passing per year for the past four years. Nonetheless, Pennington is a very strong quarterback, too.
WR - Kennison/Coles - 3/7 - Kennison has more long-yardage plays than Coles over the past 3 seasons (57 v. 56), but Coles has more first-down catches and more overall production.
WR - Parker/McCareins - 2/8 - Parker is a first-year starter with no performance record. McCareins is a proven #2/#3 receiver. Hopefully, Parker will close this gap quickly, but for now McCareins is more proven.
TE - Gonzalez/Chris Baker - 10/0 - Gonzalez is Gonzalez. Baker has one career start, and had a career year last year with 18 catches.
LT - Roaf/Fabini - 9/1 - Fabini is a solid multi-year starter, but he's 10 pro bowls behind Roaf, who is looking as strong as ever this year. Fabini is the only 300-lb. starter on the Jets' OL.
LG - Waters/Kendall - 8/2 - Waters made his first pro bowl last year, and is the strongest and perhaps most mobile KC o-lineman. Kendall is a solid but very undersized G at 280 lbs, while Waters is a beast.
C - Wiegman/Mawae - 4/6 - Mawae has a strong reputation, even if he has made a couple of "overrated" lists. Wiegman is underrated and deemed "small" even though he's only 4 pounds lighter than Mawae. Mawae gets the nod due to past performance.
RG - Shields/Brandon Moore - 10/0 - Shields has 10 pro bowls to his credit, and Moore won a starting job last year. Shields has advantages in size, experience, and skill. No contest.
RT - Sampson/Adrian Jones - 5/5 - Players have similar pedigrees. Both are new starters in their second year. Call it even.
K - Tynes/Nugent - 4/6 - Tynes is in his second year, Nugent is a rookie who was a high draft pick. Could be even, but a slight advantage to Nugent based on pedigree.
P - Colquitt/Graham - 6/4 - Two left-footed rookies coming in. Colquitt gets a slight advantage due to his pedigree as a high draft pick, but Graham has experience kicking in Australia under a different Coriolis effect.
KR - Hall/Justin Miller - 9/1 - All-pro Dante Hall versus an untested rookie, but one who excelled at kick returns in college. Hall gets most of the points until proven otherwise, but this gap could close to some extent.
FS - Wesley/Eric Coleman - 3/7 - Wesley makes the shift to free safety, and Coleman started as a rookie last year. Wesley has more experience and more turnovers per year, but has been off and on. Coleman had a good rookie year. Advantage Coleman.
SS - Knight/Oliver Celestin - 10/0 - Knight is a former pro bowler who produces lots of turnovers. Celestin is a second-year player who has not yet been a starter and was an undrafted free agent.
CB - Surtain/Law - 5/5 - Two high-profile cornerbacks playing for new teams. Who knows? Both are solid, with the question mark being Law's health. Call them even for now.
CB - McCleon/David Barrett - 3/7 - Two journeymen, with Barrett being somewhat more solid. McCleon produced more turnovers while Barrett produces more tackles. Knowing McCleon, we'll give Barrett an advantage at the moment.
OLB - Johnson/Victor Hobson - 6/4 - Johnson's a rookie, but a very high-caliber rookie. Hobson was a 2nd round pick in 2003 entering his third year as a non-impact starter. Slight advantage for Johnson at the moment, with the potential to make this no contest.
OLB - Bell/Eric Barton - 3/7 - Bell is a former all-pro who's had trouble staying on the field. Barton is a high achiever. Advantage Barton until Bell proves himself, but that may happen quickly.
MLB - Mitchell/Vilma - 0/10 - Let's just go on to the next comparison here. Mitchell has improved dramatically this season, so maybe he can steal a point or two.
LDE - Hicks/S. Ellis - 0/10 - Um, okay, maybe the one after this. I could probably give Hicks a point for being a veteran, but I won't.
RDE - Wilkerson/Bryan Thomas - 0/10 - Thomas is listed as the starter, but it'll probably be Abraham. Wilkerson could surprise some people, but he's proven nothing yet. Keep moving, keep moving, nothing to see here.
DT - Sims/Robertson - 1/9 - Well, crap. This is no fun. And I'm giving Sims the one point based on potential since he's played well in training camp.
DT - Dalton/James Reed - 4/6 - Okay, here's one that's close. Dalton and Reed are more or less the same guy, but Dalton's bigger and stronger. Reed has been very slightly more productive, so he'll get a slight advantage.

Our totals:

Offense: Chiefs 70, Jets, 40
Special Teams: Chiefs 19, Jets 11
Defense: Jets 75, Chiefs 35

Total: Jets 126, Chiefs 124

Critique away.

S Kerry Rhodes is starting, btw. He's a rookie. So Chiefs win!!!

Thig Lyfe
09-05-2005, 01:16 PM
"..and priest holmes is getting old, he is no curtis martin."

ROFL Ahhh......I needed that. ROFL

Bwahahahaha

Rain Man
09-05-2005, 02:33 PM
In head to head matchups of Jets O vs. Chiefs D, I see the following:

Jets' left OL vs. Chiefs' right DL - Big advantage Jets, unless Kendrell Bell shows up at LB

Jets' RBs against Chiefs' LBs - Big question mark. The Chiefs added major talent, but they haven't played together yet.

Jet' right OL vs. Chiefs' left DL - Sims has had a good camp, and once in a while Hicks is okay. With Derrick Johnson occasionally blitzing, this is where the Chiefs have their best chance of being disruptive.

Jets' TE and short passing against Chiefs' LBs and SS - Advantage KC. Johnson is a terror in pass defense and can run with WRs. Knight is good at sniffing out plays, and Mitchell at MLB is at his best against screens and short passes.

Jets' WRs against Chiefs' DBs - Surtain can hold his own against Coles. McCleon has a bad matchup against McCareins. Wesley is moving to a good position, from SS to FS. If the Jets are smart, they'll ignore Coles and throw non-stop at McCareins to see if McCleon can stop him.

Jets QB vs. Chiefs pass defense - The Chiefs have two good ball hawks at safety now, and linebackers who can cover the pass well. This is not last year's defense. Can Pennington find the open man without telegraphing? And then deliver a zippy ball?


Keys: Can the inexperienced right side of the Jets' OL protect Pennington against some really fast blitzers? Can Kendrell Bell stop rushes to the Jets' left? Can McCleon hold his own against McCareins? Can Pennington look off Wesley and Knight?

In head to head matchups of Chiefs O vs. Jets D, I see the following:

Jets LE vs. Chiefs RT - Can Kevin Sampson hold off Shaun Ellis without keeping Tony Gonzalez in to help? This is going to be a key.

Gonzalez vs. Hobson and whoever's at SS. Gonzalez will eat these young guys alive ... if he's out running patterns and not helping out in pass blocking.

Richardson and Wiegman vs. Vilma. Can we keep Vilma from making tackles on the inside and outside running game? This will be key. I like our two blockers against players like Vilma.

Holmes and the OL vs. the DL. The Jets' DL is good enough that Holmes won't consistently have the enormous holes that he's used to. Fortunately, he's got the vision to make yards in small creases, so I'm not too worried about this.

Linebackers vs. the short passing game. The Chiefs are strong at throwing to non-WRs like Holmes and Gonzalez. Can the Jets' LBs keep up with them? They may match up well in this case since they're pretty mobile.

Green vs. the DBs. If Law isn't in form, the advantage tilts toward KC. If he is, we'll probably not try a lot of deeper routes. Parker's debut performance is a bit of a mystery right now.


Keys: Can Sampson hold his own well enough to let Tony G. run wild? Can Priest make yards when the OL is in a stalemate situation?


I think a big deciding factor in this game will be the right sides of the two offensive lines. KC will strongly test NY's young'uns over there, and the Sampson/Ellis battle will go a long way toward determining how big a factor Tony Gonzalez will be in the passing game.

C-Mac
09-05-2005, 04:13 PM
I think a big deciding factor in this game will be the right sides of the two offensive lines. KC will strongly test NY's young'uns over there, and the Sampson/Ellis battle will go a long way toward determining how big a factor Tony Gonzalez will be in the passing game.

Nice work Hawkins.:thumb:
I think the ace in the whole is Larry Johnson.
I really think he and sprinkle in a little Kris Wilson, is going to be the difference in this game.

SNR
09-05-2005, 04:17 PM
LOOK AT MEEEEEE! I can make it seem like we'll blow the Jets out of the water using ideal conditions as the truth and blind homerism!

Paul Hackett is still with the offense of the New York Jets. We still have a few players from our team who remember that offense, like Will Shields and Tony Gonzalez. We'll know exactly what they're doing at all times. Curtis Martin is old and slow, he's no Larry Johnson (okay, that DOES make sense)

Your TEs and backup receivers don't scare anybody and Chad Pennington is a noodle arm. Hungry fast players like Surtain will intercept every single one of his passes. He puts no zip on the ball whatsoever. The Chiefs D is vastly improved. Kendrell Bell will shut down every draw play you try. On the offensive line, your only decent player is Kevin Mawae. Don't forget, we have a Scanimal on our D that will burn down your villages and make slaves of your women and children.

On defense your defensive line will be shut down like little pussies with Roaf, Waters, and Shields out on the field. Your LBs won't be able to do shit with TRich putting on pancake blocks similar to the ones that made Ray Ray cry. Our receivers are fast, and Ty Law is still not 100%. Trent Green had his surgery and will have plenty of time to practice this week. When Priest Holmes starts making you shit yourselves, and you think he'll get worn down, we'll throw Larry Johnson at you, with fresh legs and more speed. Tony Gonzalez is the best TE in the NFL. And everybody has known about this offesne for 3+ years now, and nobody has yet been successful in stopping it.

Pennington sucks. Coles sucks. Martin sucks. Abraham sucks. Jets suck. Chiefs rule. Chiefs win 80-0.

Fried Meat Ball!
09-05-2005, 04:21 PM
Here's another nice nugget from that board. :shake:

Our defense, quite simply, will outclass your offense.

SNR
09-05-2005, 05:24 PM
neckdemon says we're abusive rival fans :(

Wallcrawler
09-05-2005, 05:28 PM
Last I heard, Paul Cant Hack it was hired as the QB coach for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.


Anyway, as for the guy raving about the Jets D-line, I still see some big question marks. The loss of Jason Ferguson inside is going to be big, and John Abraham has missed all of camp. Not to mention that the guy has had trouble staying on the field in the past with injuries. If his self imposed work regimen doesnt match up to what the Jets normally do, he could end up being less effective or less durable, especially early on in the season.


Pennington is still a big question mark as well in regard to the health and rehab progress of his shoulder.

Ty Law hasnt been overly impressive in the playing time that he has had thusfar either.


I just dont see the New York Jets coming into Arrowhead stadium and walking out of there with a win. Not with the way Holmes and Johnson have looked in the pre-season, and Im sure that the defense can get the stops needed to put the offense back out on the field to hand the Jets several helpings of our 1-2 punch backfield.

Skip Towne
09-05-2005, 05:28 PM
Dosn't every team, on a weekly basis, study and pinpoint weaknesses on the opposition? I mean KNOWING your opponents Achilles heel and being able to ATTACK it are two different things.

Assuming our O-line is old and no longer a force is as dumb as mistaking Bartee for Warfield...
That's rep.

Fried Meat Ball!
09-05-2005, 05:35 PM
Dude over there just said Sowell was a better FB than Richardson... :shake:

redhed
09-05-2005, 05:42 PM
Somebody over there posted a score of 35-24 Jits. ROFL

They'll be lucky to score 20.
28-17 Good guys.

Evsbabes
09-05-2005, 06:09 PM
I must tell you guys; to compare offense to offense is stupid.

You must compare the Jets offense to the Chiefs defense, and vice versa.

Who cares if the Chiefs offense is better or not than the Jets offense.

It is how will the Jets offense do against the Chiefs defense that really matters; and how the Chiefs offense will do against the Jets defense.

Chiefs are dynamic on offense; but, the Jets defense will fare better than the Chiefs defense.

I see the Jets giving up field goals against the Chiefs; difference in the game will be who can get in the end zone more often.

Overall yardage will go to the Chiefs; Chiefs will win tale of the stats.

Jets will win the game. Close game; will be decided in the 4th quarter.

Phobia
09-05-2005, 06:12 PM
This thread is new and fresh:

Chiefs fans think the Chiefs will win the game.
Jets fans think the Jets will win the game.

Color me baffled.

Count Zarth
09-05-2005, 06:26 PM
Jets O is new...they won't be ready for hell in week one.

tk13
09-05-2005, 06:32 PM
Jets O is new...they won't be ready for hell in week one.
I don't know about that. Heimerdinger's game plan last year was "Hey Drew Bennett, run as fast as you can down the field, let's chuck it up to him". Until McCleon proves he can stop that, I would imagine he'd keep going to it. Not exactly rocket science...

Phobia
09-05-2005, 06:33 PM
neckdemon says we're abusive rival fans :(

Did he really? He's a cute kid. I'll bet my big wheel is faster than his.

Uatu
09-05-2005, 06:33 PM
I can't wait to see the Paul Hackett offense return.

1. Run straight ahead
2. Run straight ahead
3. Run straight ahead
4. Screen pass
5. Run straight ahead
6. Run straight ahead
7. Run straight ahead unless it's 3rd and long, in that case, draw play straight ahead.
8. Dumpoff to the running back
9. Run straight ahead
10. Run straight ahead

Count Zarth
09-05-2005, 06:35 PM
I don't know about that. Heimerdinger's game plan last year was "Hey Drew Bennett, run as fast as you can down the field, let's chuck it up to him". Until McCleon proves he can stop that, I would imagine he'd keep going to it. Not exactly rocket science...

That alone won't be enough. Lelie didn't burn us last year.

Anytime you install a new offense, there's going to be growing pains. Hopefully our D can make them hurt more. :evil:

Phobia
09-05-2005, 06:35 PM
Why do people keep talking about Paul Hackett on this thread?

milkman
09-05-2005, 06:36 PM
I can't wait to see the Paul Hackett offense return.

1. Run straight ahead
2. Run straight ahead
3. Run straight ahead
4. Screen pass
5. Run straight ahead
6. Run straight ahead
7. Run straight ahead unless it's 3rd and long, in that case, draw play straight ahead.
8. Dumpoff to the running back
9. Run straight ahead
10. Run straight ahead

Paul Hackett is gone.
Replaced by Mike Heimerdinger.

milkman
09-05-2005, 06:37 PM
Why do people keep talking about Paul Hackett on this thread?

Wishful thinking? :shrug:

stevieray
09-05-2005, 06:37 PM
Why do people keep talking about Paul Hackett on this thread?
nightmares. or therapy.

tk13
09-05-2005, 06:59 PM
That alone won't be enough. Lelie didn't burn us last year.

Anytime you install a new offense, there's going to be growing pains. Hopefully our D can make them hurt more. :evil:
That was with Jake Plummer at QB, come on now. He was the only guy all year that made McCleon look like Deion Sanders, threw two pics right to him. I finally got to see some of the Rams game... it didn't make me feel any better about McCleon, he looks vulnerable over there. That is easily my biggest worry, nobody is going to throw at Surtain anyway, so McCleon will be peppered, he has to actually make plays. I hope he's ready.

stevieray
09-05-2005, 07:01 PM
That was with Jake Plummer at QB, come on now. He was the only guy all year that made McCleon look like Deion Sanders, threw two pics right to him. I finally got to see some of the Rams game... it didn't make me feel any better about McCleon, he looks vulnerable over there. That is easily my biggest worry, nobody is going to throw at Surtain anyway, so McCleon will be peppered, he has to actually make plays. I hope he's ready.

four games...just four games....we can only hope.

tk13
09-05-2005, 07:08 PM
four games...just four games....we can only hope.
Oh I'm hoping, I just want to survive. I think we can, although I think it probably isn't going to be very pretty at times. I think some of these early games might look like the shootouts last year, which will cause some people to flip out, but that's how it goes.

milkman
09-05-2005, 07:16 PM
Oh I'm hoping, I just want to survive. I think we can, although I think it probably isn't going to be very pretty at times. I think some of these early games might look like the shootouts last year, which will cause some people to flip out, but that's how it goes.

I think that, with the lack of speed at LB, poor exection of the blitz, and telegraghing the blitz, that the Chiefs made it easy for QBs to burn McPassOn in man coverage.

I think that he will still be burned, but not nearly as often, because we've addressed the issues with far better talent, speed, and intelligience.

Add the fact that Sims and Dalton have been getting penetration, QBs won't be able to make those plays with the same frequency that they have.

Wile_E_Coyote
09-05-2005, 07:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingElvis
What, not even a link to this Chiefs website?



Fair question.

Here's a link to the site:

http://chiefs.scout.com/ (http://chiefs.scout.com/) [this link takes you to Warpaint Illustrated]

Here' a link to the article I wrote when you guys signed Ty Law:

http://chiefs.scout.com/2/420170.html (http://chiefs.scout.com/2/420170.html)

Please note: In the Ty Law article there is a sentence talking about him being a potential bust. That was an edit added by the owner of the site. That was not and is not my opinion.

htismaqe
09-05-2005, 09:05 PM
I think people are going to be shocked when they see the difference Sammy Knight makes underneath. That will free up Wesley to help out over the top and take pressure off of McCleon.

I think people are going to be shocked when McCleon actually DOES NOT get burnt up and down the field...

Count Zarth
09-05-2005, 09:10 PM
I think people are going to be shocked when they see the difference Sammy Knight makes underneath. That will free up Wesley to help out over the top and take pressure off of McCleon.

I think people are going to be shocked when McCleon actually DOES NOT get burnt up and down the field...

Yup. Having a safety who actually knows WTF he's doing out there and can HIT is going to be huge.

No one's going to be compensating for atrocious linebackers this year, either.

Cochise
09-05-2005, 09:24 PM
I think people are going to be shocked when they see the difference Sammy Knight makes underneath. That will free up Wesley to help out over the top and take pressure off of McCleon.

I think people are going to be shocked when McCleon actually DOES NOT get burnt up and down the field...

McCleon's not as bad as the rap he takes around here. I like him as the nickelback. Maybe, if Wesley has issues, we could even use him at safety like St. Louis was doing toward the end of his time there.

Did anyone else raise an eyebrow when our first week's opponent picked up Jeris McIntyre? Especially already having Blaylock, they are bound to have some pretty good intelligence on our offense.

Martin is still a good runner, they have talent on D, talent on O, should be a good game. I think we take it though.

BigRock
09-05-2005, 09:30 PM
Did anyone else raise an eyebrow when our first week's opponent picked up Jeris McIntyre? Especially already having Blaylock, they are bound to have some pretty good intelligence on our offense.

McIntyre is on the Chiefs' practice squad.

tk13
09-05-2005, 09:52 PM
I think people are going to be shocked when they see the difference Sammy Knight makes underneath. That will free up Wesley to help out over the top and take pressure off of McCleon.

I think people are going to be shocked when McCleon actually DOES NOT get burnt up and down the field...
I agree, theoretically it should be alright, but the guys have to actually go out and do it. Wesley was not Wesley last year, and he's still allowed McCleon to get burned in this preseason. Wesley still seems to get caught asleep at the wheel from time to time, hopefully he's awake when the lights come on.

Valiant
09-05-2005, 10:07 PM
I agree, theoretically it should be alright, but the guys have to actually go out and do it. Wesley was not Wesley last year, and he's still allowed McCleon to get burned in this preseason. Wesley still seems to get caught asleep at the wheel from time to time, hopefully he's awake when the lights come on.


Im hoping that is to the Vanilla O and D we ran all preseason... I honestly dont know how good our team is yet... Hopefully good enough for a 45-23 spanking of the jets...

Bowser
09-05-2005, 10:10 PM
I hope our blitz resembles what Florida State was laying on Miami all night long.......

Phobia
09-05-2005, 10:30 PM
I hope our blitz resembles what Florida State was laying on Miami all night long.......

Doesn't matter. I hope the Jets' interior line has slow feet like the 'canes did all night.

Bowser
09-05-2005, 10:35 PM
Doesn't matter. I hope the Jets' interior line has slow feet like the 'canes did all night.

That, too.

I think we should take a poll to see which of us is nominated to sneak into the Jets locker room and dump a bunch of Visine into their Gatorade.

Cochise
09-05-2005, 10:40 PM
McIntyre is on the Chiefs' practice squad.

I thought I read he had been claimed. Probably mistaken then... :doh!:

HolmeZz
09-05-2005, 10:45 PM
I thought I read he had been claimed. Probably mistaken then... :doh!:

You probably did read it. It was just a mistake.

Rausch
09-05-2005, 11:06 PM
We should bury their asses by double digits...

alanm
09-05-2005, 11:11 PM
We should bury their asses by double digits...
As of this evening the Chiefs are still listed as 3 pt. favorites. With a O/U of 48. That's the highest of any game listed. Unless the Chiefs are able to put up 30+ I'd lay off the over/under.

Rain Man
09-06-2005, 02:05 AM
Here's a cool quote by a guy on jetsinsider named snowy51:

"And in response to the Chiefs having the best offense in football, thats probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. How about the Colts? How about the Vikings? I'm not comparing Green to Pennington, but Trent Green is nothing special. And to say the Jets dont have as much talent on offense is completely ridiculous. Tony Gonzalez isn't clear cut the best TE in football, Antonio Gates has a strong case for that now, but even if you did say Gonzalez is the best, so what? They dont have a WR even in the same realm as Coles. Priest Holmes is unbelieveable, and I would say he's better that Curtis also, but only by very little. Their offensive lines are both very good, the Chiefs just lost a starting lineman, and the Jets 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receiving options are definitely better than anything the Chiefs have. I'm not being biased whatsoever. If we were playing the Colts I wouldnt be saying that Coles is better than Marvin Harrison or that Pennington is better than Manning. The Chiefs have a better offense and I CLEARLY said that, but the Jets are more talented on offense IMO. It has nothing to do with bias. RB, QB, and OL is a wash, TE in favor of the Chiefs, and WR in favor of the Jets. Since you dont put 4 TEs on the field at once and you can put 4 WRs, I would have to say the Jets are more talented. The Chiefs offense is better because they are all used to the system and they make it work extremely well, the Jets have a new system and there are still a lot of kinks that need to be worked out. I dont think there is anything wrong with that."

keg in kc
09-06-2005, 02:06 AM
That's a tough over/under to call. I'm figuring on a 27/28 to 24 game. I think we'll win.

I think there's also a chance we come out and just demolish them, a la the chargers 2 years ago.

tk13
09-06-2005, 02:16 AM
I mean I know people are biased and all, but you just know that guy has never actually watched Tony Gonzalez play. That is pretty funny. I point and laugh at his stupidity.

Pants
09-06-2005, 02:28 AM
I mean I know people are biased and all, but you just know that guy has never actually watched Tony Gonzalez play. That is pretty funny. I point and laugh at his stupidity.

We need to sick goat on dey ass with his stats ownage. Compare their O players' stats with ours as well as the overall O. That would shut them the f*ck up. Remeber when he owned the donkeyFans with his CB/Safety comparison? Still makes me feel all warm and cozy inside.

Count Zarth
09-06-2005, 02:37 AM
We need to sick goat on dey ass with his stats ownage. Compare their O players' stats with ours as well as the overall O. That would shut them the f*ck up. Remeber when he owned the donkeyFans with his CB/Safety comparison? Still makes me feel all warm and cozy inside.

Good times.

I'm not going to do hit-and-run's on opposing teams message boards this year, though. I had enough of that last year. It's like beating your head against a brick wall.