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JOhn
09-05-2005, 05:25 PM
This has been a lovely freaking weekend. Woke up Friday with a horrible pain in my side, shooting through my stomach into my nuts. :eek:

Shit wouldn't go away, so finally wife took me to the ER. By the time we got there I was in so much pain I couldn't even walk, so they carried me in the ER. Well after the expensive tests including a CT, they found I have 2 kidney stones. :deevee:

One is just outside the kidney and the other is halfway to the bladder. Told me to drink lots of water and no caffeine :banghead:

So far I havn't passed them yet, but Mother F### they hurt. Get to pee in a strainer till I deliver, yeee haaa.

Anyone else had the pleasure of kidney stones before?

Phobia
09-05-2005, 05:26 PM
It's a good thing you quit smoking or they'd be even worse. Count your blessings.

JOhn
09-05-2005, 05:28 PM
It's a good thing you quit smoking or they'd be even worse. Count your blessings.
WHy is that?

Phobia
09-05-2005, 05:32 PM
I don't know the medical reasons, but I've heard smokers have a worse time with the stones.

JOhn
09-05-2005, 05:34 PM
I don't know the medical reasons, but I've heard smokers have a worse time with the stones.
:hmmm:

Never heard that before. But considering I smoked for 20+ years I doubt I did myself any favors.

Truthfully I'm not sure how they could hurt anymore than they allready are.

ROYC75
09-05-2005, 05:47 PM
Welcome to the fan club my friend.......

I have had 3 fights with these boys........ the 1st time was the worst, it was big enough to rip me open as it passed. Blood in the urine, so damn painful I thought I was going to pass out........ :banghead:

2 1/2 years later, I get another one....actually 3 of them, hurt like hell. III had to help me in and out of the car and to a wheelchair....... spent the night in the hospital. :cuss:

The last one was about 1 1/2 months ago, a small one but no less, painfull as it moved across.........

Been taking Saw Palmetto and Cranberry extract to help keep the kidneys cleaned out now.

Most stones are calcium, drink alot of water , daily, enough to float them around all the time.

Have fun .......... :)

Davechief
09-05-2005, 05:49 PM
John

I have had two seperate bouts with kidney stones. The first time I was unable to pass the stones and they were in an area where they couldn't be busted up by ultrasound, so they went in and removed them. That wasn't a pleasant experience, but it was better than dealing with the pain your probably in right now. The second time I passed the stone on my own in about 6 to 7 hours. That was the prefered method of getting rid of them. My attacks were about ten years apart. I have a brother who has probably had close to 20 attacks in the last ten years. Just hang in there and drink plenty of water and hope for the best. Send me a PM if you have any questions I can answer for you. Good Luck.

Bwana
09-05-2005, 05:55 PM
I don't know the medical reasons, but I've heard smokers have a worse time with the stones.
I read something in Mens Health about that several months ago as well. It had something to do with constriction of blood vessels in the body or something like that. Don't quote me, I'm no doc, but nicotine caused the constriction of blood vessels in the body which had a direct bearing on the "ouch, shit oh dear factor."

Best of luck JOhn!

Phobia
09-05-2005, 06:03 PM
Men's Health - yeah that's probably where I saw it then. I've been reading that rag for a decade.... It doesn't do me a damn bit of good, but the wife keeps paying for the renewal and I keep reading it on the shitter.

chiefs4me
09-05-2005, 06:05 PM
I only know when my brother had one....about 3 years ago, we thought he was dying. I remember the pain he had, sorry to hear this about you. Good Luck....btw...they wouldn't give him any pain meds....did they give you some?

4th and Long
09-05-2005, 06:07 PM
Been there, done that, did the trip to the ER, had the CT. You have my utmost sympathy. The pain is unreal. I've had broken bones that didn't hurt as bad as a kidney stone. On the plus side, I am now 3 years, soda pop free. After the stone, I have drank nothing but water since. OK, so I drink a beer now and again. Kill me already.

Oh and JOhn? Since you have not passed the stones yet, allow me to use the words my coworkers sent to my in a note during my time of suffering.

"Sorry to hear about the kidney stones. I hear passing one feels like you are pissing a football our of your pee hole. How bad can that be?"

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka
09-05-2005, 06:12 PM
I know a guy that lost half his leg and has a steel plate covering half his head from a grenade in Vietman, one tough SOB. He had some stones about 2 years ago and he was CRYING from them! Took him 4 days to pass them, poor bastard passed out 3 times from the pain! After seeing and hearing all that dude went through I HOPE HOPE HOPE to never have to go through that.

:grovel:

Phobia
09-05-2005, 06:13 PM
I think I'm gonna go get a glass of water.

ROYC75
09-05-2005, 06:16 PM
Been there, done that, did the trip to the ER, had the CT. You have my utmost sympathy. The pain is unreal. I've had broken bones that didn't hurt as bad as a kidney stone. On the plus side, I am now 3 years, soda pop free. After the stone, I have drank nothing but water since. OK, so I drink a beer now and again. Kill me already.

Oh and JOhn? Since you have not passed the stones yet, allow me to use the words my coworkers sent to my in a note during my time of suffering.

"Sorry to hear about the kidney stones. I hear passing one feels like you are pissing a football our of your pee hole. How bad can that be?"

Smaller ones you can feel, but not a lot of pain. It's the ones that want to split you open that hurt like hell...... I know from experence.

beavis
09-05-2005, 06:24 PM
I think I'm gonna go get a glass of water.
I drank a gallon after reading this thread. :eek:

CosmicPal
09-05-2005, 06:28 PM
Damn - we were talking about this the other day.

As I told my friends then, and I'll tell you now- I had gallstones a couple of times. The last time was a couple of years ago and had to stay overnight at the hospital. The pain was horrendous. I must've hit that damn morphine call button a hundred times. "No more, Mr. CosmicPal! You've had enough morphine."
"GET ME SOME PHUCKNG MORPHINE OR I'LL PHUCK YOUR DAUGHTER NOW!"
Ok, I didn't say that, but I damn near wanted to.

I've heard that kidney stones are the worst and all I know is- if gallstones were as bad as they were, then I pray holy healthy jesus I never get kidney stones.

Ari Chi3fs
09-05-2005, 06:33 PM
kidney stones? no thank you.

arrowheadnation
09-05-2005, 06:38 PM
No one ever expects to see their Dad cry, but I'll never forget last year when I walked into the ER and saw him doubled over with tears in his eyes. I was just speechless...and incredibly worried. He had a kidney stone and the doctors told him that the unbearable pain meant that the stone was "moving" from the kidney to the urethra (which was actually a good thing). He was told to start drinking lemonade and stop drinking tea and pop for a while. They also said he could let it pass naturally or they could bombard it with ions to break it up or they could do surgery to remove them if they're too big. Dad chose to let them pass naturally, which he said wasn't near as painful as when the stone was "moving" in his kidney.

My grandma had them when she was younger and she likened the pain to that of childbirth. So there ya go fellas, you can experience childbirth..."kinda."

PastorMikH
09-05-2005, 06:38 PM
Kidney Stones? Be a man! Go drink 2 pots of coffee in 30 minutes time and shoot those suckers right out!




:)


Yeah, I had one, hurt like crazy.

4th and Long
09-05-2005, 06:42 PM
Damn - we were talking about this the other day.

As I told my friends then, and I'll tell you now- I had gallstones a couple of times. The last time was a couple of years ago and had to stay overnight at the hospital. The pain was horrendous. I must've hit that damn morphine call button a hundred times. "No more, Mr. CosmicPal! You've had enough morphine."
"GET ME SOME PHUCKNG MORPHINE OR I'LL PHUCK YOUR DAUGHTER NOW!"
Ok, I didn't say that, but I damn near wanted to.

I've heard that kidney stones are the worst and all I know is- if gallstones were as bad as they were, then I pray holy healthy jesus I never get kidney stones.
Kidney stones and gall stones have a comparable level of pain. The glaring difference is, with a kidney stone, it can cut off your urine flow. Imagine having one of those "beer pisses" that makes your bladder scream for mercy. Now, hold that same piss for 4 hours. I can tell you from experience, that is singularly one of the worst things that has ever happened to me. Until it's happened to you, you can't even begin to imagine what it's like.

Oh and Cosmic, the refusal of more morphine it total bullshit on their part. It's next to impossible to kill someone with morphine, if administered properly.

I remember having a cancer patient on a morphine drip several years back. He lingered for about a week before he died, which was not caused by the morphine BTW. In a weeks time, we used more morphine on that one patient than we did the rest of the year in the entire hospital. We ordered so much in fact, the DEA showed up on our door step to make sure we didn't have a theft problem.

PastorMikH
09-05-2005, 06:44 PM
Had a guy in our church - he's an eye doctor - he had a bout with them, went to ER and told the nurse, whom he knew, what he had and that he needed morphine and saline. The surgeon that was on duty said that he wasn't so sure and wanted to make sure the guy wasn't suffering from a bad appendics. He told me he did not realize his appendics could have been checked from that orfice.

4th and Long
09-05-2005, 06:45 PM
Had a guy in our church - he's an optimitrist, he had a bout with them, went to ER and told the nurse, whom he knew, what he had and that he needed morphine and saline. The surgeon that was on duty said that he wasn't so sure and wanted to make sure the guy wasn't suffering from a bad appendics. He told me he did not realize his appendics could have been checked from that orfice.
ROFL

PastorMikH
09-05-2005, 06:47 PM
ROFL


Yeah, that's what I did when he told me. He didn't look to amused at my finding humor in the story.:)

CosmicPal
09-05-2005, 06:48 PM
Oh and Cosmic, the refusal of more morphine it total bullshit on their part..

Really? I didn't know that. Well, it's probably a good thing. I remember seeing the bill a month or so later and the charge for the morphine was something like $700.00 alone. Hell, I could have smoked a couple of joints for far less than that, and wouldn't be feeling the pain no more.

4th and Long
09-05-2005, 06:51 PM
Really? I didn't know that. Well, it's probably a good thing. I remember seeing the bill a month or so later and the charge for the morphine was something like $700.00 alone. Hell, I could have smoked a couple of joints for far less than that, and wouldn't be feeling the pain no more.
Here's a little tip from Uncle 4th. If that ever happens to you again, turn yourself into the world's loudest asshole and scream at the top of your lungs. Nurses hate that. :D Demand that they call the doctor and get a new order for morphine. Works like a charm. Trust me. :)

chiefs4me
09-05-2005, 06:52 PM
Kidney Stones? Be a man! Go drink 2 pots of coffee in 30 minutes time and shoot those suckers right out!




:)


Yeah, I had one, hurt like crazy.





ROFL ROFL

chiefs4me
09-05-2005, 06:53 PM
Here's a little tip from Uncle 4th. If that ever happens to you again, turn yourself into the world's loudest asshole and scream at the top of your lungs. Nurses hate that. :D Demand that they call the doctor and get a new order for morphine. Works like a charm. Trust me. :)






you are an evil one uncle 4th....ROFL

4th and Long
09-05-2005, 06:55 PM
you are an evil one uncle 4th....ROFL
True :D but that trick DOES work. :)

CosmicPal
09-05-2005, 06:56 PM
Here's a little tip from Uncle 4th. If that ever happens to you again, turn yourself into the world's loudest asshole and scream at the top of your lungs. Nurses hate that. :D Demand that they call the doctor and get a new order for morphine. Works like a charm. Trust me. :)

You should have seen the nurses though. Wow! A couple of them were hot. I mean smokin' hot. As soon as they'd come in, I'd pretend as best as I could that I could handle the pain. As soon as they'd leave, I was begging for mercy and crying like a baby. They were the only joy that evening.

As for me, when the second time hit- I walked right in and demanded we rip out the gall bladder. It's gone, and so are are the gallstones.

Jim Jones
09-05-2005, 06:56 PM
How does one generally get Kidney Stones? And can they prevented by drinking a lot of water?

4th and Long
09-05-2005, 06:59 PM
You should have seen the nurses though. Wow! A couple of them were hot. I mean smokin' hot. As soon as they'd come in, I'd pretend as best as I could that I could handle the pain. As soon as they'd leave, I was begging for mercy and crying like a baby. They were the only joy that evening.

As for me, when the second time hit- I walked right in and demanded we rip out the gall bladder. It's gone, and so are are the gallstones.
I'm glad your misery is over, just remember to stick to the diet they gave you or it can be an unpleasant experience ... but I'm sure you already know that.

4th and Long
09-05-2005, 07:01 PM
How does one generally get Kidney Stones? And can they prevented by drinking a lot of water?
There are numerous types of kidney stones but drinking lots of water will hewlp prevent them by flushing out your kidneys.

Kidney stones form when the salts and minerals that are normally found in the urine become out of balance. Different kinds of kidney stones are formed from salts in the urine.

Calcium stones: These are the most common type of kidney stones. They are made of calcium and oxalate, which are chemicals found naturally in certain foods (see "Prevention", below for examples of these foods). A diet with a high content of calcium and oxalate can increase the concentration of these chemicals in the urine and make it more likely for stones to form. Other factors include:

excess vitamin D,
overactive parathyroid glands,
medical conditions such as cancer, some kidney diseases, or a disease called sarcoidosis.

Uric acid stones: Excess amounts of uric acid can be caused by eating a lot of meat. Conditions such as gout and treatments such as chemotherapy can also increase the risk of getting uric acid stones.

Struvite stones (infection stones): These are caused by too much ammonia in the urine. Ammonia is a chemical produced by the bacteria that cause urinary tract infections. This kind of stone is most often found in women.

Cystine stones: These are caused by a hereditary disorder called cystinuria, which affects about one per cent of men and women.

stevieray
09-05-2005, 07:06 PM
do they just show up? are there any warning signs?

ENDelt260
09-05-2005, 07:07 PM
Men's Health - yeah that's probably where I saw it then. I've been reading that rag for a decade.... It doesn't do me a damn bit of good, but the wife keeps paying for the renewal and I keep reading it on the shitter.
Isn't Men's Health the magazine for gay men too timid to buy Playgirl?

ENDelt260
09-05-2005, 07:11 PM
As for me, when the second time hit- I walked right in and demanded we rip out the gall bladder. It's gone, and so are are the gallstones.

Don't you need your gall bladder for something?

4th and Long
09-05-2005, 07:12 PM
do they just show up? are there any warning signs?
Warning signs? Not really. There are "usually" symptoms however.

Many kidney stones don't move and are too small to cause symptoms. These are often referred to as "silent" stones.

If a kidney stone causes a blockage, or moves down the ureter, it may cause some of the following symptoms:

pain or aching in the back on one or both sides,
spasms of intense pain (anywhere between the bottom of the ribs and the groin),
bloody, cloudy or smelly urine,
nausea and vomiting,
a frequent urge to urinate,
a burning sensation during urination,
fever and chills.
These can also be symptoms of a urinary tract infection, or cystitis, which is much more common in young women than kidney stones. Anyone who has one or more of these symptoms should seek medical advice.

Knowing the exact cause and type of stone enables people to make changes that can help prevent further stones.

To help prevent any type of stone, fluid intake should be two to three litres per day - water is best.

People who get calcium stones should cut down on foods that have high levels of calcium (dairy products and leafy green vegetables), and oxalate (chocolate, tea, rhubarb, cooked spinach and asparagus). It's important to discuss dietary changes with a doctor not everyone finds them helpful.

People who get uric acid stones should eat less meat, fish and poultry. Also to help prevent uric acid stones, medicine may be prescribed to control the level of uric acid in the urine.

People who get struvite or "infection" stones need to keep the urine free of bacteria that can cause infection. This may mean taking long-term antibiotics.

stevieray
09-05-2005, 07:15 PM
Thank you.

Phobia
09-05-2005, 07:16 PM
Isn't Men's Health the magazine for gay men too timid to buy Playgirl?

I'm pretty sure I'm not gay. I could be mistaken because I've never tried the cock.

4th and Long
09-05-2005, 07:16 PM
Don't you need your gall bladder for something?
It stores the bile secreted by the liver. During a fatty meal, the gallbladder contracts, delivering the bile through the bile ducts into the intestines to help with digestion. If you watch your diet, you can live without it quite normally.

PastorMikH
09-05-2005, 07:28 PM
do they just show up? are there any warning signs?


Yeah, I got a warning sign - I got all the warning of an explosion - it was an intense pain in my groing that felt like I had just gotten kicked. That pain followed severe pain up to my kidneys.

I passed mine without the aide of a Doctor. That was primarily because we had traveled from Missouri to Kansas to meet the people of a church which we ended up being at when I came here. We had an HMO plan and if I went to ER in Kansas they would have paid a very small percentage of the bill. I suffered all night, then in the morning told the wife to point me in the direction of home and start driving. I was peeing in a 20 ounce pepsi bottle every few miles. About 2 hours in the drive it finally passed but I hurt for days afterwards. And that sensation that I was being racked in the groin continued from the point where I first felt the pain until it passed.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka
09-05-2005, 07:43 PM
I'm pretty sure I'm not gay. I could be mistaken because I've never tried the cock.


Maybe you should try it, better to know for sure than to be mistaken!
:p

ROYC75
09-05-2005, 07:54 PM
The 1st time I had one, it ripped me open, I bled like a cut pig. Doc said it will heal just fine but sent me to a specialist.

2 weeks later, checked into the clinic, they were to scope my urinary tract. Not knowing the procedure, the doc explained it to me..... Needless I was worried when he said how the scope went in.

Dropped the pants and crawled up on a table that had stirrups ..... here walks this older nurse in ( Naw, it couldn't be a nice, sexy, hot babe ) grabs my dick and says, "This could burn a bit ". She inserted the tip of a tube and squeezed a numbing solution in my dick. Then she clamped it off with a big clamp.... the kind you see on potato chips bags. :eek:BTW, it burned and hurt like hell with the head of my dick clamped off.

Then after about 10 minutes, the doc comes in and inserts a tube inside of my dick, he said," This could burn a little bit " . :banghead: :cuss: :cuss: Shit, I was ready to hit him, I liked to jumped off that table. :cuss:

chief99
09-05-2005, 07:54 PM
You take too many vitamin D pills ?

http://www.kidney-stone-symptoms.com/

You could be missing something in your diet or getting too much of one thing .

Phobia
09-05-2005, 08:00 PM
Maybe you should try it, better to know for sure than to be mistaken!
:p

Are you hitting on me, Mike?

JOhn
09-05-2005, 08:04 PM
Sorry I been neglecting my own thread, but wife ran me down to urgent care clinic. Damn this SHIT HURTS!!!!!!!!! but got a shot of morphine at the clinic, and supposed to go back in tomorrow am for another CT. They think it may have hung up on the valve to the bladder.

I thought back pain was bad, but this shit has got to be the tops. I know when I went in the ER the first time, i was in tears it hurt so freaking bad.

Been 3 days now, and nothing passed yet, other than a few flecks of it.

I appreciate the thoughts everyone, but the pain med is kicking in, so I'm going to try and sleep while I can.

JOhn
09-05-2005, 08:11 PM
Yeah, I got a warning sign - I got all the warning of an explosion - it was an intense pain in my groing that felt like I had just gotten kicked. That pain followed severe pain up to my kidneys.

.
Exactly :eek:

chefsos
09-05-2005, 08:27 PM
Yup, me too, 7 years ago, much the same as JOhn's story. Woke up with a pain in the side similar to the stitch you get fron running. Multiplied by, oh, 7.5.

Went to ER, got meds (goooood), and the doctor took the opportunity to give a physical. I still think and hope that was his finger. The last I remember, someone said my temp was way up, and we were going to OR. Gah!

I awoke in a bed 2 AM, felt around my back for stitches. None. Turns out they inserted a stent to open things up, and I'd have to whizz into a strainer to catch this thing, because the urologist wanted to see it. I walked around with the stent in for 3 weeks, then passed the stone three damn hours after it was removed.

The running joke at work for some time after that was, "Well, that's better than a tube up your dick!"

htismaqe
09-05-2005, 08:27 PM
Kidney stones suck...

Never had one myself, but my wife said she'd rather give birth again than pass another stone...

go bowe
09-05-2005, 09:52 PM
hell, I'D rather give birth than have another kidney stone...

chief99
09-05-2005, 10:19 PM
I read that the body has lost ability to dissolve that calcium shit. Thats why they happen.

Sounds like they need to come up with a drug to dissolve it. Passing it sounds medevil.

Pants
09-06-2005, 01:55 AM
Jesus ****ing Christ, after this case, I'm never drinking pop again. GAH!

keg in kc
09-06-2005, 02:04 AM
Hey, I appreciate the offer, but no thanks.

Swanman
09-06-2005, 08:01 AM
I've had 4 bouts with kidney stones. Two of them were not all that bad, the first bout was pretty bad, and the last bout was so bad I was vomiting from the pain (I had 2 stones, one in the urethra and one right next to the kidney).

According to the ER docs, my stones were brought on by too much pop. Two things that can cause stones are caffeine and phosphoric acid (present in colas like Coke and Pepsi).

If the stone isn't huge, passing it is actually the easiest part.

StcChief
09-06-2005, 09:27 AM
Avoid soda. Drink lots of water daily.

Beer is ok...made from water.

JOhn
09-07-2005, 08:06 PM
***UPDATE***

Well I went to the Dr yesterday, tuesday, and they continued the pain med, phenagren for nausua and put me on Flomax a smooth muscle relaxant to help it pass.

So far nothing, damn thing still hurts, but not as much. But today I slept all day, other than waking up for an hour at lunch and about 1/2 hour ago. I'm running a low grade temp. 99.7 and wondering wt f is going on. Wife says I'm going back to DR in the morning and find out what the heck is going on.

penchief
09-07-2005, 09:09 PM
I've always been in perfect health but for some reason I have always had a sense of doom when it comes to kidney stones. Maybe when I was a young lad I overheard someone talking about complications related to kidney stones and I somehow translated those horrors to an inevitabitlity in my own life.

I don't know why but I feel like kidney stones are my destiny.

I'm worried.

tommykat
09-07-2005, 09:33 PM
Without reading all of this.........sorry. Had them 2 times, in ER they asked me if I was pregnant???? I said '' DO I FREAKING LOOK LIKE IT", I hurt beyond belief. They told me, " Well that is the closest? to having a baby"

I told them at least you got something for that with the pain!!

Sorry you had to go through that, NOT FUN!

penchief
09-07-2005, 09:39 PM
Without reading all of this.........sorry. Had them 2 times, in ER they asked me if I was pregnant???? I said '' DO I FREAKING LOOK LIKE IT", I hurt beyond belief. They told me, " Well that is the closest? to having a baby"

I told them at least you got something for that with the pain!!

Sorry you had to go through that, NOT FUN!

I'm worried.