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Logical
09-06-2005, 05:39 PM
If so why? Here is your chance Bush whackers.

Donger
09-06-2005, 05:45 PM
If so why? Here is your chance Bush whackers.

Worse? I don't know.

As overwhelmed? Absolutely.

This isn't a Democrat versus Republican issue, IMO. I know that folks enjoy (with some justification) calling Bush an idiot, chimp, et al. But, I'm of the opinion that Katrina didn't give a sh*t about who was in office.

A major US city was hit by a Category 4 hurricane (not to mention MS and AL). That city has been almost totally evacuated. Local and state government (i.e., the first responders) were not prepared. The federal government was not prepared.

Mr. Laz
09-06-2005, 05:46 PM
nope ...

heck as far as i can tell ANY of the previous administrations of my life time seem more organized and focused than the current one.

republican or democrat


clinton,reagan,bush sr, ford ... prolly even Carter wpuld of done better

Donger
09-06-2005, 05:48 PM
heck as far as i can tell ANY of the previous administrations of my life time seem more organized and focused than the current one.

republican or democrat


clinton,reagan,bush sr, ford ... prolly even Carter

And how many of them were apparently tasked with being primarily responsible for the evacuation/defense/restoration of a major US city?

Mr. Laz
09-06-2005, 05:49 PM
btw ...

they way you set up poll questions is kinda screwy imo


"does anyone think the the clinton administration would of handle the katarina better"

seems a more natural question to ask

Mr. Laz
09-06-2005, 05:50 PM
And how many of them were apparently tasked with being primarily responsible for the evacuation/defense/restoration of a major US city?

did i say they were ... i said virtually any of the recent administrations seemed more focused and organized than this one.

Donger
09-06-2005, 05:53 PM
did i say they were ... i said virtually any of the recent administrations seemed more focused and organized than this one.

I take it you were not around during Carter's administration.

Mr. Laz
09-06-2005, 05:56 PM
I take it you were not around during Carter's administration.
i was young...

that's why i put the little caveat before carter


"prolly even Carter"

cause i remember some kind of screwy things back then too.. but i was younger and don't remember them very clearly.

gblowfish
09-06-2005, 05:58 PM
It woulda killed Bubba.

When he heard Katrina was blowin' on shore, he would have been standing in the French Quarter with his underoos around his ankles!

penchief
09-06-2005, 06:00 PM
If so why? Here is your chance Bush whackers.

I can't help but say how refreshing it was to see Clinton responding to questions in a way that actually exhibited a comprehension of the issue.

After yesterday I'd be surprised if we see very much more of the Bush/Clinton tour. I'm sure the White House doesn't appreciate the fact that James Lee Witt is in New Orleans doing Brown's job. In the same vein, I doubt they are thrilled that Clinton makes Bush look like a first-rate amateur.

Donger
09-06-2005, 06:01 PM
i was young...

that's why i put the little caveat before carter


"prolly even Carter"

cause i remember some kind of screwy things back then too.. but i was younger and don't remember them very clearly.

Fair enough.

I just find it amusing to a certain extent how politicized this has become. The federal government is the federal government, regardless of whom is POTUS. Anyone expecting or demanding that it respond quickly and efficiently to a crisis is, quite simply, unfamiliar with it.

But, it's easier to blame Bush. He's admittedly an easy target right now. But, anyone that is familiar with the governments of the state of Louisiana and the city of New Orleans will tell you that there should be no surprise that they failed their people.

Mr. Laz
09-06-2005, 06:04 PM
I can't help but say how refreshing it was to see Clinton responding to questions in a way that actually exhibited a comprehension of the issue.

After yesterday I'd be surprised if we see very much more of the Bush/Clinton tour. I'm sure the White House doesn't appreciate the fact that James Lee Witt is in New Orleans doing Brown's job. In the same vein, I doubt they are thrilled that Clinton makes Bush look like a first-rate amateur.
clinton is a very intelligent guy .... VERY


if he could of just kept his pants on :shake:


and yet i'd take him back as president in a heartbeat over our current situation.


i wish he'd take over the United Nations ... he' be great at it

penchief
09-06-2005, 06:12 PM
I take it you were not around during Carter's administration.

I'm still waiting for Bush to get the Carter treatment which he wholeheartedly deserves.

Let's see now...........high gas prices and a foreign policy blunder.

Carter was an oil industry outsider and at the mercy of OPEC. Bush is an oil insider who has presided over increasing annual gas prices and increasing annual record profits posted by the oil companies. No contradiction there, huh?

Hmmmm........Carter bad. Bush good.

Carter had to play the cards that were dealt him in the Iranian hostage crisis. Little did he know that the Reaganites were undermining his efforts to negotiate a release of the hostages by negotiating a deal themselves which insured that Iran kept them longer in order to secure Carter's demise. Bush manipulated intel as well as the American public in order to attack another country, ultimately costing us untold numbers of lives, billions upon billions of dollars, a loss of America's integrity, and most likely a weakened nation whose future prosperity and security are at serious risk.

Hmmmmm........Carter bad. Bush good.

Messier
09-06-2005, 06:14 PM
Donger, you can at least admit that the comment Bush made about Trent Lott's house was uncalled for and poorly timed. If a leader can be that unaware and thoughtless it scares me.

Donger
09-06-2005, 06:18 PM
Donger, you can at least admit that the comment Bush made about Trent Lott's house was uncalled for and poorly timed. If a leader can be that unaware and thoughtless it scares me.

Absolutely. It was an idiotic thing to say.

Bush has a history of trying to use humor to lift spirits. This was, at the minimum, very bad timing.

Then again, I think that most people would acknowledge that if every public word was recorded and dessimated, we'd all have a few "WTF was I thinking?" moments.

Donger
09-06-2005, 06:18 PM
I'm still waiting for Bush to get the Carter treatment which he wholeheartedly deserves.

Let's see now...........high gas prices and a foreign policy blunder.

Carter was an oil industry outsider and at the mercy of OPEC. Bush is an oil insider who has presided over increasing annual gas prices and increasing annual record profits posted by the oil companies. No contradiction there, huh?

Hmmmm........Carter bad. Bush good.

Carter had to play the cards that were dealt him in the Iranian hostage crisis. Little did he know that the Reaganites were undermining his efforts to negotiate a release of the hostages by negotiating a deal themselves which insured that Iran kept them longer in order to secure Carter's demise. Bush manipulated intel as well as the American public in order to attack another country, ultimately costing us untold numbers of lives, billions upon billions of dollars, a loss of America's integrity, and most likely a weakened nation whose future prosperity and security are at serious risk.

Hmmmmm........Carter bad. Bush good.


Wow. Stop channeling jettio, penchief. It does not become you.

NewChief
09-06-2005, 06:37 PM
Not sure that the actual administration would have done better, but I'm entirely confident that Clinton would have handled himself much better than Bush has thus far. Bill would have been down there hugging babies and shedding tears at the drop of the hat.

penchief
09-06-2005, 06:38 PM
Wow. Stop channeling jettio, penchief. It does not become you.

Bush is a far worse president than Carter ever dreamed of being. And that's saying something considering that he has had the full force of the power-quo backing him instead of working against him, as it did Carter.

penchief
09-06-2005, 06:55 PM
Not sure that the actual administration would have done better, but I'm entirely confident that Clinton would have handled himself much better than Bush has thus far. Bill would have been down there hugging babies and shedding tears at the drop of the hat.

One thing Clinton did, for the most part, was appoint qualified people to important positions (see James Lee Witt). Another thing, Clinton was hands on. He had a working knowledge and an in-depth understanding of his job. He also enlisted the advice and expertise of those who were most qualified.

In short, he was a pragmatist. And pragmatists always make the best leaders because they look at the big picture and attempt to affect the greatest good by the most practical means. They forego ideological extremism and divisiveness in favor of practical government in their attempts to affect the greater good.

Clinton would have handled this situation infinitely better than Bush because he would not have played petty politics nor would he have had to rely on the performance of unqualified people in positions that really do matter.