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Chief Henry
09-08-2005, 05:31 PM
Louisiana Dept. of Homeland Security officials are the ones
that told the RED Cross not to go to the SUPERDOME with food-water and personal sanitary products.

www.worldnetdaily.com

Lets see ABC-NBC-CBS-MSNBC-CNN grill the local N'ahlens and state of Louisiana officials over this. I won't hold my breath.


Sorry I can't stick around. I just saw this before leaving the office.

I thought you should see this tonight.

Adept Havelock
09-08-2005, 05:51 PM
Yes Henry, we know. You are upset the press isn't asking tough questions of the state and city officals.

The Moonbats are upset the press isn't doing the same to Bush.

I am still disgusted with all three.

mlyonsd
09-08-2005, 06:04 PM
According to ABC News FEMA director Brown himself the night before the hurricane hit assured the President they were in place and ready to handle it.

Ugh, Lucy, you got some 'splainin to do.

Calcountry
09-08-2005, 06:22 PM
The Teflon President?

Adept Havelock
09-08-2005, 06:31 PM
The Teflon President?

Not according to the new Bloomberg numbers. Check the Mod/Cons. repub. numbers for why.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aRkZB.b60HiY&refer=u


Reflects what I've been seeing, largely. People aren't buying the "It's all the locals' fault" BS anymore than they buy the "It's all Bush's fault" BS. Plenty of blame at all levels. And it should be distributed with a heavy brush, IMO.

whoman69
09-08-2005, 10:54 PM
There was a story reported today on the Daily show that the official position of the administration is that this is not the time to be pointing fingers. This is, of course, because they do not want any of the fingers pointed at them. Yet there were quotes from several high ranking Republicans and administration figures including DeLay and the head of Homeland Security all throwing the blame to local officials.

dirk digler
09-09-2005, 12:02 AM
I take it NewsMax is a conservative site or journal. I never have read them or been to their site until now. But I heard Sean Hannity refer to this article today in passing.

If this is true then the Governor needs to be impeached.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/7/235423.shtml

Gov. Kathleen Blanco's Bureaucrats Blocked Food and Water

The Red Cross was reportedly ready to deliver food, water and other supplies to flood-ravaged refugees who were sweltering inside New Orleans' Superdome last week - but the relief was blocked by bureaucrats who worked for Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco.

Fox News Channel's Major Garrett reported Wednesday that the Red Cross had "trucks with water, food, hygiene equipment, all sorts of things ready to go ... to the Superdome and Convention Center."

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But the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security, Garrett said, "told them they could not go."

"The Red Cross tells me that Louisiana's Department of Homeland Security said, 'Look, we do not want to create a magnet for more people to come to the Superdome or Convention Center, we want to get them out,'" he explained.

"So at the same time local officials were screaming where is the food, where is the water, the Red Cross was standing by ready [and] the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security said you can't go."

Logical
09-09-2005, 12:24 AM
Not according to the new Bloomberg numbers. Check the Mod/Cons. repub. numbers for why.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aRkZB.b60HiY&refer=u


Reflects what I've been seeing, largely. People aren't buying the "It's all the locals' fault" BS anymore than they buy the "It's all Bush's fault" BS. Plenty of blame at all levels. And it should be distributed with a heavy brush, IMO.Mark me down as one who feels there is plenty of blame to go around, but the only blame I care about is the administration blame because their failure can affect my future in similar events of national scope, it is only their performance that affect my family.

Rausch
09-09-2005, 01:18 AM
Mark me down as one who feels there is plenty of blame to go around, but the only blame I care about is the administration blame because their failure can affect my future in similar events of national scope, it is only their performance that affect my family.

Agreed.

Indecision had a lot to do with this situation. I don't want W or the Governor of Loui as my QB in the the last two minutes...

|Zach|
09-09-2005, 01:40 AM
Mark me down as one who feels there is plenty of blame to go around, but the only blame I care about is the administration blame because their failure can affect my future in similar events of national scope, it is only their performance that affect my family.
Well said.

Taco John
09-09-2005, 02:12 AM
I definitely think the local government was inept. So why should that pardon the ineptness of the Federal Government?

A horse show trainer. This is the guy who is making decisions that could mean the difference between life and death. Of course, why should I be suprised that this guy is unqualified when the guy in the most powerful seat in the world is too.

I can't wait for this ulgy time in American history to be done with. Clinton wasn't the best president ever, but at least he was presidential. Same with Bush I, who I hate. He was at least up to the job. And Reagan. Man was he ever Presidential. I can't wait for the days when the person in the office is actually capable.

StcChief
09-09-2005, 07:54 AM
The insurection act has to be invoked to take over the situation. (See LA Riots under Bush I ). by Fed Govt.

If Bush invokes this takes over immediately, the La - D Woman Governor refuses. He looks like a federal bully.

The fact she didn't do anything first or ask for help.
She didn't even know she had to ask for help.
Does she know what her job is or the rules of running it. She had days before to plan for CAT 5 hurricane.

City, State are first responders period.


Fed were a little slow to respond but please.
La, NO officials are not getting off blaming Bush.

alnorth
09-09-2005, 08:03 AM
The federal government is not the first responder, folks. Its easy to say "sure the locals screwed up too", as if paying lip-service to it excuses you from future charges that you are letting the locals off, but the locals bear the vast majority of the responsibility to respond to ANY disaster ANYWHERE. Given enough time, the feds can help too, but if the locals dont do jack, the feds can only do so much. ESPECIALLY when the locals not only IGNORE their own emergency plans, not only REFUSE to ask the feds for help as they must untill far too late, but also DENY help from charitable organizations.

You cant just shrug off the local ineptness as unimportant and shift most of the blame to the feds. Local government is the most responsible and bears the primary responsibility for aiding their citizens. Federal aid is NOT supposed to be the primary form of help, it is supposed to help fill in the cracks days after the disaster. There are a tremendous amount of things the locals should have done and refused to do.

I blame the feds for not intelligently using the resources they had when they got there, but not the speed of their aid. The feds should not escape all blame, BUT the VAST MAJORITY of the blame belongs to the governor and local officials, not a minority of the blame, not an equal share, but the vast majority.

Radar Chief
09-09-2005, 08:17 AM
I definitely think the local government was inept. So why should that pardon the ineptness of the Federal Government?

A horse show trainer. This is the guy who is making decisions that could mean the difference between life and death. Of course, why should I be suprised that this guy is unqualified when the guy in the most powerful seat in the world is too.

I can't wait for this ulgy time in American history to be done with. Clinton wasn't the best president ever, but at least he was presidential. Same with Bush I, who I hate. He was at least up to the job. And Reagan. Man was he ever Presidential. I can't wait for the days when the person in the office is actually capable.

Do you know anything ‘bout him other than this?

And just FYI, but I believe that’d be “show horse trainer”. ;)

mlyonsd
09-09-2005, 08:20 AM
Mark me down as one who feels there is plenty of blame to go around, but the only blame I care about is the administration blame because their failure can affect my future in similar events of national scope, it is only their performance that affect my family.

I don't totally agree. I think it's possible that the local breakdowns helped snowball the federal ineptness. If the feds came in expecting X on the ground but instead found Y it should be studied so in the future FEMA can plan for it.

I too think there is plenty of blame to go around. But the levels all have to work together. This disaster was an eye opener and should be used as a learning experience.

But, if Brown was as inept as it sounds and fudged is resume to get the FEMA job he should go now, and Bush should stand up and admit it was a mistake picking him.

memyselfI
09-09-2005, 08:45 AM
I don't totally agree. I think it's possible that the local breakdowns helped snowball the federal ineptness. If the feds came in expecting X on the ground but instead found Y it should be studied so in the future FEMA can plan for it.

I too think there is plenty of blame to go around. But the levels all have to work together. This disaster was an eye opener and should be used as a learning experience.

But, if Brown was as inept as it sounds and fudged is resume to get the FEMA job he should go now, and Bush should stand up and admit it was a mistake picking him.

Nice idea. But this administration does not admit mistakes. To do so would mean they accept responsibility that their mistakes may have caused and they just can't seem to find the ability to do it. Not just on this issue but others as well.

memyselfI
09-09-2005, 08:52 AM
The insurection act has to be invoked to take over the situation. (See LA Riots under Bush I ). by Fed Govt.

If Bush invokes this takes over immediately, the La - D Woman Governor refuses. He looks like a federal bully.

The fact she didn't do anything first or ask for help.
She didn't even know she had to ask for help.
Does she know what her job is or the rules of running it. She had days before to plan for CAT 5 hurricane.
City, State are first responders period.


Fed were a little slow to respond but please.
La, NO officials are not getting off blaming Bush.

Nice spin.

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976

August 27, 2005


The President
The White House
Washington, D. C.

Through:
Regional Director
FEMA Region VI
800 North Loop 288
Denton, Texas 76209

Dear Mr. President:

Under the provisions of Section 501 (a) of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 5121-5206 (Stafford Act), and implemented by 44 CFR § 206.35, I request that you declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina for the time period beginning August 26, 2005, and continuing. The affected areas are all the southeastern parishes including the New Orleans Metropolitan area and the mid state Interstate I-49 corridor and northern parishes along the I-20 corridor that are accepting the thousands of citizens evacuating from the areas expecting to be flooded as a result of Hurricane Katrina.

In response to the situation I have taken appropriate action under State law and directed the execution of the State Emergency Plan on August 26, 2005 in accordance with Section 501 (a) of the Stafford Act. A State of Emergency has been issued for the State in order to support the evacuations of the coastal areas in accordance with our State Evacuation Plan and the remainder of the state to support the State Special Needs and Sheltering Plan.

Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal.

Preliminary estimates of the types and amount of emergency assistance needed under the Stafford Act, and emergency assistance from certain Federal agencies under other statutory authorities are tabulated in Enclosure A.

The following information is furnished on the nature and amount of State and local resources that have been or will be used to alleviate the conditions of this emergency:
• Department of Social Services (DSS): Opening (3) Special Need Shelters (SNS) and establishing (3) on Standby.
• • Department of Health and Hospitals (DHH): Opening (3) Shelters and establishing (3) on Standby.
• Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness (OHSEP): Providing generators and support staff for SNS and Public Shelters.Louisiana State Police (LSP): Providing support for the phased evacuation of the coastal areas.
• Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries (WLF): Supporting the evacuation of the affected population and preparing for Search and Rescue Missions.


Mr. President
Page Two
August 27, 2005


• Louisiana Department of Transportation and Development (DOTD): Coordinating traffic flow and management of the evacuations routes with local officials and the State of Mississippi.



The following information is furnished on efforts and resources of other Federal agencies, which have been or will be used in responding to this incident:
• FEMA ERT-A Team en-route.

I certify that for this emergency, the State and local governments will assume all applicable non-Federal share of costs required by the Stafford Act.

I request Direct Federal assistance for work and services to save lives and protect property.

(a) List any reasons State and local government cannot perform or contract for performance, (if applicable).

(b) Specify the type of assistance requested.

In accordance with 44 CFR § 206.208, the State of Louisiana agrees that it will, with respect to Direct Federal assistance:

1. Provide without cost to the United States all lands, easement, and rights-of-ways necessary to accomplish the approved work.

2. Hold and save the United States free from damages due to the requested work, and shall indemnify the Federal Government against any claims arising from such work;

3. Provide reimbursement to FEMA for the non-Federal share of the cost of such work in accordance with the provisions of the FEMA-State Agreement; and

4. Assist the performing Federal agency in all support and local jurisdictional matters.

In addition, I anticipate the need for debris removal, which poses an immediate threat to lives, public health, and safety.

Pursuant to Sections 502 and 407 of the Stafford Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 5192 & 5173, the State agrees to indemnify and hold harmless the United States of America for any claims arising from the removal of debris or wreckage for this disaster. The State agrees that debris removal from public and private property will not occur until the landowner signs an unconditional authorization for the removal of debris.


I have designated Mr. Art Jones as the State Coordinating Officer for this request. He will work with the Federal Emergency Management Agency in damage assessments and may provide further information or justification on my behalf.

Sincerely,




Kathleen Babineaux Blanco
Governor
Enclosure


ENCLOSURE A TO EMERGENCY REQUEST


Estimated requirements for other Federal agency programs:
• Department of Social Services (DSS): Opening (3) Special Need Shelters (SNS) and establishing (3) on Standby. Costs estimated at $500,000 per week for each in operation.
• Department of Health and Hospitals (DHH): Opening (3) Shelters and establishing (3) on Standby. Costs estimated at $500,000 per week for each in operation.
• Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness (OHSEP): Providing generators and support staff for SNS and Public Shelters. Costs estimated to range from $250,000-$500,000 to support (6) Shelter generator operations.
• Louisiana State Police (LSP): Costs to support evacuations - $300,000 for a non-direct landfall.
• Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries (WLF): Costs to support evacuations - $200,000 for a non-direct landfall.
• Louisiana Department of Transportation and Development (DOTD): Costs to support evacuations - $2,000,000 for a non-direct landfall.


Totals: $ 9,000,000

Estimated Requirements for assistance under the Stafford Act:

Coordination: $0
Technical and advisory assistance: $0
Debris removal: $0
Emergency protective measures: $ 9,000,000
Individuals and Households Program (IHP): $0
Distribution of emergency supplies: $0
Other (specify): $0

Totals: $ 9,000,000
Grand Total: $ 9,000,000

Radar Chief
09-09-2005, 09:01 AM
Nice spin.

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976

August 27, 2005


The President
The White House
Washington, D. C.

Through:
Regional Director
FEMA Region VI
800 North Loop 288
Denton, Texas 76209



Weird, she asks for help then refuses it. Sounds kinda bipolar.
Do you know’er Denise? ;)

memyselfI
09-09-2005, 09:10 AM
Weird, she asks for help then refuses it. Sounds kinda bipolar.
Do you know’er Denise? ;)

She asked for help according to the law. It was the WH who realized their post 9/11 regulations were going to complicate their response. And while they were arguing amongst themeselves how to address the situation they did nothing...

Don't believe me? How about hearing it from a RWNJ talking head.

http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200509090821.asp

September 09, 2005, 8:21 a.m.
FEMA as DMV
Bureaucracy@work.



Among all the perils facing survivors in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina — drowning, starvation, toxic waters, poisonous snakes — sexual harassment had to be far down the list. But days after the disaster, the Federal Emergency Management Agency had 1,400 firefighters from around the country who had volunteered to help in New Orleans sitting in a conference room in Atlanta undergoing eight hours of training that included a sexual-harassment class. All this before they were allowed even to go to the Gulf Coast area to give out fliers and FEMA’s phone number.


Hurricane Katrina has laid bare the peculiar perversities of the bureaucratic mind: its utter commitment to niggling rules, its inability to take risks, its failure to the think on the fly. Leadership matters, and in the disaster’s initial days, it was hard to tell when FEMA head Michael Brown was doing more harm — when he tried to do his job, or when he tried to explain on TV how he was doing his job. But at the end of the day, FEMA is a close cousin to your local DMV, which you would never want to trust with your life.

In so much of the Katrina response, senselessness ruled the day. Post-9/11 regulations meant that FEMA couldn’t put evacuees on flights at the New Orleans airport without security screening and federal air marshals on the flights. Apparently, the fear was that terrorists had positioned themselves in New Orleans prior to Katrina so they could pose as bedraggled evacuees, on the off chance an opportunity would arise for them to hijack a rescue plane. Since the power was down, the X-ray machines and metal detectors didn’t work, and it was decided that manual searches would have to suffice. Don’t forget to pat down the children!

The president of Jefferson Parish, south of New Orleans, has complained that FEMA turned away three Wal-Mart trailer trucks with water and kept the Coast Guard from delivering 1,000 gallons of diesel fuel. Republican Sen. Trent Lott criticized FEMA for blocking thousands of trailers sitting in Atlanta ready to head to the Mississippi coast. Surely, there were carefully crafted rules and procedures that accounted for these and other decisions to turn away aid. The only eventuality that such rules and procedures can’t be written for is when someone should say, “to hell with all these rules and procedures.” Louisiana Rep. Bobby Jindal, a Republican, writes: “My office became so frustrated with the bureaucracy that we often turned to private companies. They responded more quickly and flexibly.”

Of course, the only thing Washington politicians love more than beating up on bureaucracy is creating it. It’s one of the few things Washington can do — make new offices and hire bureaucrats to fill them. So, after 9/11, all of Washington supported stapling together as many agencies as possible, including FEMA, in the Department of Homeland Security — such a sprawling bureaucratic monstrosity that it will take a generation to make it work, if ever. But everyone from the president on down pretended he had protected homeland security through the mere act of naming a department after it.

Unfortunately, there is not much that can be done to make bureaucracy less bureaucratic. It makes sense to keep as much authority at the state and local levels as possible, since there officials will at least be more aware of local circumstances (although they can also be scandalously incompetent, as we’ve seen in New Orleans). Political leaders must constantly ride herd on the bureaucracy to keep it from giving in entirely to its inbred, irrational tendencies. This is where the Bush administration really fell down. Finally, there is no substitute for old-fashioned individual initiative. A great hero of New Orleans is the 20-year-old who commandeered a school bus and drove evacuees all the way to Houston, arriving before any of the official convoys. The key to his success? He acted without bureaucratic approval.

Radar Chief
09-09-2005, 09:12 AM
She asked for help according to the law. It was the WH who realized their post 9/11 regulations were going to complicate their response. And while they were arguing amongst themeselves how to address the situation they did nothing...

Oh take a joke already. :rolleyes:

memyselfI
09-09-2005, 09:14 AM
Oh take a joke already. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, I missed the joke. With all the CYA coming from the CONS these days it's hard to decipher what they know, what they admit to, and what they are joking about...

Chief Henry
09-09-2005, 09:47 AM
Yes Henry, we know. You are upset the press isn't asking tough questions of the state and city officals.

The Moonbats are upset the press isn't doing the same to Bush.

I am still disgusted with all three.


Basically its been the National news media thats been railing ON PRESIDENT BUSH. If you can't see that. Thenits time for an eye exam.

Late last night I did see a CNN report that briefly mention'd this
local problem the red cross had. But it was by no means anywhere
near the berating that the administration has been taking.
So, yes, I am irritated about the press coverage when it comes to finger pointing.

BigOlChiefsfan
09-10-2005, 01:04 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/10/national/nationalspecial/10emt.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/10/opinion/10tierney.html?ex=1284004800&en=d1c63c04ce127646&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/08/AR2005090802165.html

BigOlChiefsfan
09-10-2005, 05:11 PM
http://www.reason.com/hod/dk091005.shtml

Pitt Gorilla
09-10-2005, 05:13 PM
Basically its been the National news media thats been railing ON PRESIDENT BUSH. If you can't see that. Thenits time for an eye exam.

Late last night I did see a CNN report that briefly mention'd this
local problem the red cross had. But it was by no means anywhere
near the berating that the administration has been taking.
So, yes, I am irritated about the press coverage when it comes to finger pointing.
Interesting. You appear to be the one having trouble "seeing." All parties have been blamed, from what I have seen. Hell, don't you watch Fox News?!?