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leviw
09-11-2005, 07:21 PM
Johnson, new defense spark Chiefs win

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By John Clayton
ESPN.com

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- The game ball from Sunday's convincing 27-7 Chiefs victory didn't go to halfback Larry Johnson, who broke down the Jets for 110 yards and two touchdowns in nine carries. Nor did it go to linebackers Derrick Johnson or Kawika Mitchell, who combined for 16 tackles, a sack, a forced fumble and two fumble recoveries. Grandfatherly coach Dick Vermeil was bypassed, as well.
This one went to team president Carl Peterson. Despite their prominence in the league, coaches are still the employees, and the boss is the boss. Peterson, very close friends with Vermeil, is the boss and at times has made some player acquisitions that might not have been the most popular.


It was Peterson who went against the coaching staff's interest a couple years ago and used a first-round pick on Larry Johnson, a star running back at Penn State who was nearly invisible during his first year-and-a-half in the league. Johnson is going to alternate series with Priest Holmes this year. Holmes gets two series. Johnson gets one. Both should get a great deal of carries.

It also was Peterson who brought back Gunther Cunningham to coordinate a defense that underachieved and diminished any good done by the high-scoring Chiefs offense. Players complained in 2003 that their defensive problems involved the scheme. Cunningham brought a player-friendly approach, and the Chiefs defense still stunk last season. So Cunningham took a wish list to Peterson that included linebacker Kendrell Bell, cornerback Patrick Surtain, safety Sammy Knight and defensive end Carlos Hall.

If the Chiefs could get two or three of those players, Cunningham would be happy. Peterson spent $16 million and got all four. Then, the defense lucked out and got linebacker Derrick Johnson, the lead candidate for defensive rookie of the year, in the NFL draft.

"There's nothing like having talent," Vermeil said. "I've been on the field a long time, and we've never had better football players sitting in this room, collectively. We have some talented players on defense who can run and make plays. Our draft and free agency were good, and then the maturity of the kids that were already here blended together. I could just see from watching practice against our offense, it was going to be a much better defense."

Coming into the game, Vermeil was confident his team could stop the Jets and defending league rushing champ Curtis Martin. Martin finished with 20 yards on 57 carries and was a non-factor.

The Jets made a lot of mistakes, but that's not why they lost. Sure, Chad Pennington fumbled six times and threw an interception. Center Kevin Mawae rifled a shotgun snap more than five yards over Pennington's head for another fumble. Laveranues Coles beat cornerback Dewayne Washington twice for sure touchdowns and simply dropped the ball. Rookie kicker Mike Nugent slipped on an easy 28-yard field goal attempt and had it blocked.

About the only piece of good execution by the Jets came in the third quarter, when nose tackle James Reed got into a sideline fight with linebacker Jonathan Vilma and punched him in the mouth. Reed was about the only Jet to finish a play he started.

While Jets defenders were landing punches, their Chiefs counterparts were executing the schemes.

"I'll tell you what: It is that our linebackers have improved so much," defensive tackle Lional Dalton said. "They are totally different players than they were last year. They are the quarterbacks of our defense. It is going to be so much more successful because of those players. They are smarter players. They are a lot more mature."

And they have speed. Derrick Johnson is a 250-pound lightning bolt with 4.5 speed. He closes on quarterbacks but also has the speed to chase down receivers 30 yards down field. Bell is the tough, physical, strong-side linebacker who can throw down a blocking tight end and chase down backs. Mitchell, who struggled making tackles last year, appears to have improved greatly from last season. Now, he makes plays.

"Gunther Cunningham stayed after us," Mitchell said. "He's aggressive with everything. We stayed aggressive as players, and I think we came together and bought into it. We want to be the best defense. That's what we're aiming for. If you aim any lower than last then you won't achieve it."

After a year of frustration, Cunningham's message reached his defensive linemen. He wants them to be physical and aggressive. He wants them to use their bodies to effectively punch opposing offensive linemen in the month. No, not the James Reed way. Cunningham wants them to do it without flags.

"Our defensive linemen are firing off the ball and knocking the offensive linemen back," Derrick Johnson said. "If their guards pulled, the linemen would knock them back and [disrupt] everything. That lets the linebackers clean up. The linebackers have speed, and that's what we do."

More impressively, Peterson's acquisitions all came through. Derrick Johnson pressured Pennington on blitzes along with stopping running plays. Surtain made an interception. Knight forced a fumble on a sack. Bell was solid at the point of attack.

Offensively, the Chiefs played to their defense by being a little more conservative. In that case, the Jets made things easy because their defense looked like last year's Chiefs. Holmes opened the game with runs of 35 and five yards and Johnson came in on the third play and ran 30 yards for a touchdown. On the next possession, Trent Green drove 95 yards without a problem to set up a Holmes 3-yard touchdown run.

Three minutes into the second quarter, the Chiefs led 17-0 and had gained 206 yards in 21 plays. Left tackle Willie Roaf pulled a hamstring after the third possession, and the offense turned even more conservative, gaining 183 yards on the final 41 plays, averaging almost six yards a play.

Perhaps the most interesting strategy change involved the running backs. Holmes, the king of fantasy football for his high totals in combined yardage and touchdowns, is now sharing the halfback position with Johnson, and Holmes is comfortable with that.

"Two-to-one is the guideline we are using, but will it always be like that, I would say no," Holmes said. "Just like today, when we started off the game and we had the first three plays where I went one-two with the runs, and he came into the game. It only makes sense, because he's fresh, and we already know the rotation, so let's get him started early. With LJ having to wait two series, I think that's too long."

Like Marshall Faulk with Steven Jackson in St. Louis, Holmes endorses sharing the position. Holmes got his carries -- 22 for 85 yards and a touchdown. Overall, the Chiefs ran for 198 and passed for 200. That's pretty good balance.

"I like the way we were doing things," Larry Johnson said. "In game situations, there are going to be times he'll play more than me, because he has more experience in tight game situations. Defenses aren't going to know what's going to happen. He runs differently than I run, and I think when defenses try to gameplan for two runners, it's going to hurt them in the long run."

Larry Johnson describes Holmes as a shifty, inside-outside runner who runs the stretch play about as well as anyone in the league. Johnson's runs are more north and south, and they are definitely more wreckless.

"Me, I'm young, I don't care and I will run into you," Johnson said.

Not everything was perfect for the Chiefs. They suffered four injuries, and three could be major problems. Surtain suffered a concussion after his interception return, but Vermeil says he should be fine. Roaf's hamstring injury will force him to miss at least a week, if not longer. Fullback Tony Richardson suffered a knee injury, but he was standing near his locker talking, and it may not be too serious.

Defensive tackle Ryan Sims suffered a mid-foot sprain in the Jets first offensive possession and had to be carted off the field. He left the locker room on crutches and in great pain. No one knows if the injury was serious. All Sims said is that he will have an MRI Monday.

With a 17-0 lead, the Chiefs went to more two-tight end sets and ran the ball. The league's highest scoring offense of 2004 used some formations in which Chris Horn was the only wide receiver. The defense tried to shut out the Jets but lost that when Chris Baker caught at 23-yard touchdown from Jay Fiedler with 29 seconds left.

However, failure to get the shutout didn't keep Cunningham from also getting a gameball.

"A lot of people put a lot of time into identifying players who we think can get and see how they fit," Peterson said. "Certainly, Gunther was a big part of that. It certainly makes everything feel better that it has come together at least for the first week."

The Jets certainly would agree.

SDChief
09-11-2005, 07:24 PM
About the only piece of good execution by the Jets came in the third quarter, when nose tackle James Reed got into a sideline fight with linebacker Jonathan Vilma and punched him in the mouth. Reed was about the only Jet to finish a play he started.

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

I didn't even know about this

KILLER_CLOWN
09-11-2005, 07:29 PM
That sounds like major props to me, I always enjoy Clayton. I figured LJ wouldn't be happy with 10 carries a game but he sounds happy.

SDChief
09-11-2005, 07:31 PM
I'm pleasantly suprised about Larry, he looked a little miffed on the sideline to me, but he's right, hard to gameplan for both guys. The TR injury news may be good too. Hopefully Roaf will be back soon. Sounds like the worst one is sims

leviw
09-11-2005, 07:31 PM
That sounds like major props to me, I always enjoy Clayton. I figured LJ wouldn't be happy with 10 carries a game but he sounds happy.

I hope he stays that way. I think he knows he's proved himself to the coaches, fans, etc., but there's going to be a point where he's going to think, then say out loud, that he deserves more carries than Priest. That's when shit is going to hit the fan, whether he speaks the truth or not.

BigRedChief
09-11-2005, 07:35 PM
they deserved the props. The Jets are a good football team. They will make the playoffs.

milkman
09-11-2005, 07:36 PM
I knew that Kawika played pretty damn good.

8 tackles and 2? fumble recoveries.

He seemed to be around the ball a lot today.

Count Zarth
09-11-2005, 07:37 PM
LJ is the man.

He is young and he don't care!! HE GONNA RUN YO ASS OVER!

ArrowheadHawk
09-11-2005, 07:37 PM
i just hope the D gets better every week

leviw
09-11-2005, 07:37 PM
I knew that Kawika played pretty damn good.

8 tackles and 2? fumble recoveries.

He seemed to be around the ball a lot today.

I think that was DJ and Kawika's stats combined.

Rain Man
09-11-2005, 07:38 PM
About the only piece of good execution by the Jets came in the third quarter, when nose tackle James Reed got into a sideline fight with linebacker Jonathan Vilma and punched him in the mouth. Reed was about the only Jet to finish a play he started.




Wow. I guess he was trying to find someone he could beat up since he was below Waters, Wiegman, and Shields in the pecking order.

SDChief
09-11-2005, 07:38 PM
I think that LJ is going to take control of a game or two on his own this year. He just has that look on his face right now.

keg in kc
09-11-2005, 07:38 PM
The way Priest Holmes was getting stacked up in the second half, I wouldn't complain about carries, either. I hope Roaf's back fast, because Bookends Black and Bober did not impress.

Scoring 2 TD helped, too.

Mr. Laz
09-11-2005, 07:40 PM
mitchell did play better ... looked more physical and more commited to tackling.


the ENTIRE defense looked more commited today and it showed up big time in the tackling.

Coach
09-11-2005, 07:40 PM
And they have speed. Derrick Johnson is a 250-pound lightning bolt with 4.5 speed. He closes on quarterbacks but also has the speed to chase down receivers 30 yards down field. Bell is the tough, physical, strong-side linebacker who can throw down a blocking tight end and chase down backs. Mitchell, who struggled making tackles last year, appears to have improved greatly from last season. Now, he makes plays.

That was very evident. Opposing teams had no problem going outside on our D last year. So far, that has improved tremendously. Also holding Curtis Martin to 57 yards on 20 carries is very good.


"I like the way we were doing things," Larry Johnson said. "In game situations, there are going to be times he'll play more than me, because he has more experience in tight game situations. Defenses aren't going to know what's going to happen. He runs differently than I run, and I think when defenses try to gameplan for two runners, it's going to hurt them in the long run."

"Me, I'm young, I don't care and I will run into you," Johnson said.

That a boy Larry. That's a great attitude to have.

Fullback Tony Richardson suffered a knee injury, but he was standing near his locker talking, and it may not be too serious.

Sure hope that would be true. Just still sucks about Roaf though.

In all, a good article by Clayton.

SDChief
09-11-2005, 07:41 PM
The way Priest Holmes was getting stacked up in the second half, I wouldn't complain about carries, either. I hope Roaf's back fast, because Bookends Black and Bober did not impress.

Scoring 2 TD helped, too.

Was it just me or did it not seem to matter as much when LJ came in after Roaf went down? I'm not trying to start the Johnson/Holmes discussion, but they flew down the field when Johnson came in the game in the second half.

milkman
09-11-2005, 07:41 PM
I think that was DJ and Kawika's stats combined.

Their combined stats were 16 tackles, 2 fumbles recovered, and a forced fumble.

leviw
09-11-2005, 07:45 PM
Was it just me or did it not seem to matter as much when LJ came in after Roaf went down? I'm not trying to start the Johnson/Holmes discussion, but they flew down the field when Johnson came in the game in the second half.

That, IMO, is the difference between the two backs. Priest relies on his o-line opening up holes. He's so patient and can wait forver for blocks to develop. With the outstanding line of Roaf, Waters, Weigmann, Shields, (Insert name here), plus Richardson; he could do that.

But once you start mixing and swaping those names and the blocks don't always develop like they should, he gets in trouble, because he's not great and creating plays.

LJ, at 230+, can make holes for himself (eg. 2nd touchdown run). He just blows people up. Yes, he needs blockers, but he doesn't have to rely on them as much as Priest does.

tk13
09-11-2005, 07:46 PM
LJ definitely has more power, but it looked like Priest created his TD run pretty much all by himself... that was an incredible run.

keg in kc
09-11-2005, 07:48 PM
Was it just me or did it not seem to matter as much when LJ came in after Roaf went down? I'm not trying to start the Johnson/Holmes discussion, but they flew down the field when Johnson came in the game in the second half.I wasn't paying that much attention, but it could've been the plays called. I think we were running a lot of stretch/toss/draw with Priest, and they just weren't working. But we might've been running the same plays with LJ, 'cause, like I said, I wasn't paying attention. Either way, I think that sometimes we give too much credit (or blame) to the back, and not enough to the line. For instance, because the hole was gaping, I think Priest would've scored had he been in for LJ's first play. But not the second.

I think if LJ gets most of the carries Priest had in the second half, the result's the same. But that's just an opinion. While LJ can make some plays on his own, so can priest, but not when you're getting hit in the backfield.

We were also limited in what we could do from a formation/motion standpoint, because we had to run so much 2TE power formation, to protect Black and/or Bober. Now, they may play better (if Roaf is out) next week, because they'd get more reps at their starting position. Black had to shift from right to left, and Bober's predominantly a C/G.

Would be really nice if Kevin Sampson was healthy enough to play Sunday...

And let's hope Waters' back doesn't act up again.

SDChief
09-11-2005, 07:49 PM
That, IMO, is the difference between the two backs. Priest relies on his o-line opening up holes. He's so patient and can wait forver for blocks to develop. With the outstanding line of Roaf, Waters, Weigmann, Shields, (Insert name here), plus Richardson; he could do that.

But once you start mixing and swaping those names and the blocks don'ts always develop like they should, he gets in trouble, because he's not great and creating plays.

LJ, at 230+, can make holes for himself (eg. 2nd touchdown run). He just blows people up. Yes, he needs blockers, but he doesn't have to rely on them as much as Priest does.

I really hate to admit it, but today was the first time since Priest became a Chief that I was excited when he was off the field. Not calling for a total LJ conversion, I think it's great the way they are running them. I just got excited when #27 was on the field. I knew that someone was going to get hit.

Count Zarth
09-11-2005, 07:50 PM
LJ definitely has more power, but it looked like Priest created his TD run pretty much all by himself... that was an incredible run.

He didn't score. :)

tk13
09-11-2005, 07:51 PM
He didn't score. :)
Scoreboard says he did, punk. So quiet. :)

Count Zarth
09-11-2005, 07:52 PM
Scoreboard says he did, punk. So quiet. :)

ROFL

It was a fantastic run to the 1-yard line!

leviw
09-11-2005, 07:54 PM
I really hate to admit it, but today was the first time since Priest became a Chief that I was excited when he was off the field. Not calling for a total LJ conversion, I think it's great the way they are running them. I just got excited when #27 was on the field. I knew that someone was going to get hit.

I was excited when he was on the field too. I wish they would have given it to him on the last possession of the first half instead of trying to create who knows what with the passing game there.

SDChief
09-11-2005, 07:56 PM
"I think if LJ gets most of the carries Priest had in the second half, the result's the same. But that's just an opinion. While LJ can make some plays on his own, so can priest, but not when you're getting hit in the backfield."

You may be right, but I think over the years teams have been trying to put extra hits on Priest to try and wear him down. It is nice to have a back that hits the defense back and wears them down. Priest has been awesome, but he isn't a punishing runner. LJ is, linebackers were falling on their butts on some of those runs today.

Coach
09-11-2005, 07:56 PM
I think that was DJ and Kawika's stats combined.



Name Tackles Sacks Solo
D. Johnson 9 1 8
S. Knight 9 1 7
K. Mitchell 7 0 5
D. McCleon 6 0 6
G. Wesley 6 0 4
J. Allen 3 1 3
K. Bell 3 0 3
D. Washington 3 0 2
J. Browning 3 0 2
E. Hicks 2 0 2
J. Wilkerson 2 0 2
L. Dalton 1 0 1
P. Surtain 1 0 1
K. Fox 1 0 1
B. Sapp 1 0 1
R. Sims 1 0 1
Team 58 3 49


20 tackles for our Linebackers!

Mr. Laz
09-11-2005, 07:56 PM
20 tackles for our Linebackers!
a great sign

SDChief
09-11-2005, 07:58 PM
I was excited when he was on the field too. I wish they would have given it to him on the last possession of the first half instead of trying to create who knows what with the passing game there.

Yeah it was kinda like my Madden mentality. "Well my backs have their yards now I have to get Trent, Gonzo, and the recievers theirs". It effects my playcalling on Madden, I'm sure that isn't what happened with Saunders, but it looked kinda familiar.

ArrowheadHawk
09-11-2005, 08:01 PM
ur comparing real life to a video game?

leviw
09-11-2005, 08:03 PM
Yeah it was kinda like my Madden mentality. "Well my backs have their yards now I have to get Trent, Gonzo, and the recievers theirs". It effects my playcalling on Madden, I'm sure that isn't what happened with Saunders, but it looked kinda familiar.

I like the aggressive attitude of trying to score, but wow, you just can't risk the chance of turning the ball over and giving up points before halftime when you have a lead.

SDChief
09-11-2005, 08:28 PM
ur comparing real life to a video game?

Are you running around a BB looking for people to put down? No I'm not comparing real life, I was just making the point that it was funny that the run was killing them and seemingly for no reason we started to force the pass. Now I'm sure Saunders probably saw something that the Jets were giving him. Really I'm just saying he's smarter than me football wise, but the only offense I call plays for is on a video game, so that is why I brought it up.

CoMoChief
09-11-2005, 08:29 PM
I wonder what some of the people on the Jets boards are saying?

SDChief
09-11-2005, 08:30 PM
I like the aggressive attitude of trying to score, but wow, you just can't risk the chance of turning the ball over and giving up points before halftime when you have a lead.

Yeah, it is the "put them away" mentality that we all wish we would have had during the 90s. I liked it too, I just couldn't help imagining Saunders up in the booth looking at his plays trying to get some others the ball. Just kinda struck me funny.

SDChief
09-11-2005, 08:31 PM
I wonder what some of the people on the Jets boards are saying?

Probably a whole lot of "we beat ourselves" threads.

Raiderhader
09-11-2005, 08:32 PM
He didn't score. :)



Give Priest 4 straight carries on the goal line and he is going to get in on one of them. The ref was just saving everyone a play or two by admitting the inevitable.




:D

SDChief
09-11-2005, 08:35 PM
like I said earlier, the Jets didn't want to waste a challenge on it.

kcfanintitanhell
09-11-2005, 08:35 PM
I don't know if anybody noticed it, but there were 2 or 3 plays in the second half the Jets ran where last year, and the year before, probably would have gone for 25-30 yards that got blown up 5 yards downfield. I started watching them unfold, did my usual "shit, here we go again," when suddenly a red jersey comes flying out of nowhere-lo and behold! DJ!!! I saw him make a couple mistakes in pass coverage, but I don't think anyone is gonna beat us running the football.. :)

Raiderhader
09-11-2005, 08:36 PM
Probably a whole lot of "we beat ourselves" threads.

This is one time where they would be partly right.

Pennington couldn't hold on the friggen ball today to save his life. It was like Gun had a Chad voodoo doll and kept sticking the needle in the doll's hands.

KcMizzou
09-11-2005, 08:37 PM
I don't know if anybody noticed it, but there were 2 or 3 plays in the second half the Jets ran where last year, and the year before, probably would have gone for 25-30 yards that got blown up 5 yards downfield. I started watching them unfold, did my usual "shit, here we go again," when suddenly a red jersey comes flying out of nowhere-lo and behold! DJ!!! Yeah, DV reffered to that. Mentioned guys like DJ and Bell "flashing in" to make a play, where there would have been nobody last year.

SDChief
09-11-2005, 08:39 PM
This is one time where they would be partly right.

Pennington couldn't hold on the friggen ball today to save his life. It was like Gun had a Chad voodoo doll and kept sticking the needle in the doll's hands.

Kinda reminds me of how the Chiefs D at home use to get into the QBs heads and make them look BAD. I can remember Steve Young in his prime among others looking lost in the 90s. I hope this isn't a one time thing, I hope it's the beginning.

keg in kc
09-11-2005, 08:41 PM
I don't know if anybody noticed it, but there were 2 or 3 plays in the second half the Jets ran where last year, and the year before, probably would have gone for 25-30 yards that got blown up 5 yards downfield. I started watching them unfold, did my usual "shit, here we go again," when suddenly a red jersey comes flying out of nowhere-lo and behold! DJ!!! I saw him make a couple mistakes in pass coverage, but I don't think anyone is gonna beat us running the football..That's the big difference tackling made today. I remember one time Knight missed a tackle, but the play didn't go anywhere. Other than that, I can't think of any of those 'gifts' we've enjoyed the last six or eight years where a guy should be stopped after two or three yards, and we'd eventually catch him 25-30 yards later.

Now if we could take care of the whole "TE over the middle" problem, we'd be golden.

milkman
09-11-2005, 08:43 PM
This is one time where they would be partly right.

Pennington couldn't hold on the friggen ball today to save his life. It was like Gun had a Chad voodoo doll and kept sticking the needle in the doll's hands.

On that first fumble in the shotgun, he was looking at Sammy Knight showing blitz, rather than watching the ball at the snap.

On the fumble on the center exchange, he was focusing on the LBs showing blitz, rather than the snap.

Yeah, they did make some errors, but in Pennington's case, it was pretty apparent that he was rattled by the Chiefs D.

They might have been unforced errors, but they were the result of a more aggressive, physical D.

SDChief
09-11-2005, 08:44 PM
even when he got the ball off he got smoked many times.

leviw
09-11-2005, 08:44 PM
Yeah, they did beat make some errors, but in Pennington's case, it was pretty apparent that he was rattled by the Chiefs D.


I LOVE IT!!!

Rausch
09-11-2005, 08:48 PM
Keep in mind this is also the 1st regular season game these guys have been together. As the weeks pass this defense will only get better and better...

Raiderhader
09-11-2005, 08:49 PM
On that first fumble in the shotgun, he was looking at Sammy Knight showing blitz, rather than watching the ball at the snap.

On the fumble on the center exchange, he was focusing on the LBs showing blitz, rather than the snap.

Yeah, they did make some errors, but in Pennington's case, it was pretty apparent that he was rattled by the Chiefs D.

They might have been unforced errors, but they were the result of a more aggressive, physical D.



By no means do I intend to take anything away from our boys, but Chad has been playing the game long enough that he should be able to recognize a defense and hold on to the ball at the same time. I mean there were a LOT of balls that got away from him today, way too many for a vet. We were rough on him today, but not that rough.

ROYC75
09-11-2005, 08:50 PM
About the only piece of good execution by the Jets came in the third quarter, when nose tackle James Reed got into a sideline fight with linebacker Jonathan Vilma and punched him in the mouth. Reed was about the only Jet to finish a play he started.


ROFL

milkman
09-11-2005, 08:53 PM
By no means do I intend to take anything away from our boys, but Chad has been playing the game long enough that he should be able to recognize a defense and hold on to the ball at the same time. I mean there were a LOT of balls that got away from him today, way too many for a vet. We were rough on him today, but not that rough.

Maybe, but he looked like a deer in the headlights today.

If you can, watch the replays and pay attention to where Chad has his focus on those fumbles.

It's clear it's on the D, and not the ball.

Raiderhader
09-11-2005, 08:58 PM
Maybe, but he looked like a deer in the headlights today.

If you can, watch the replays and pay attention to where Chad has his focus on those fumbles.

It's clear it's on the D, and not the ball.


I'm not denying that his focus was on the D. I'm just saying that a vet QB has no business allowing himself to get that rattled over the D showing a possible blitz (sans taking a major beating).

leviw
09-11-2005, 09:06 PM
I'm not denying that his focus was on the D. I'm just saying that a vet QB has no business allowing himself to get that rattled over the D showing a possible blitz (sans taking a major beating).

It was also his first game at Arrowhead. I don't know the exact number, but the record of opposing QBs making their first appearance at Arrowhead is amazingly lobsided in KC's favor in recent years. I'm sure it makes a difference.

alanm
09-11-2005, 09:08 PM
The way Priest Holmes was getting stacked up in the second half, I wouldn't complain about carries, either. I hope Roaf's back fast, because Bookends Black and Bober did not impress.

Scoring 2 TD helped, too.
Black's going to end up being a stud. He'll do fine at LT. The one who needs to get his ass on the field is Sampson.

bringbackmarty
09-11-2005, 09:15 PM
We really need a dt through fa\(act of god) right now, or a trade. even a de street fa so browning can play dt exclusively. Other than that I think there is a lot of potential on this d. we should play even more 3-4 as the season progresses and we get more experience in gunthers scheme. We will struggle a bit next week on pass d, but our rush should make us some plays again. I just wish there was someone we could add on that line.

leviw
09-11-2005, 09:20 PM
We really need a dt through fa\(act of god) right now, or a trade. even a de street fa so browning can play dt exclusively. Other than that I think there is a lot of potential on this d. we should play even more 3-4 as the season progresses and we get more experience in gunthers scheme. We will struggle a bit next week on pass d, but our rush should make us some plays again. I just wish there was someone we could add on that line.

Nate Hobgood-Chittic?

KChiefs1
09-11-2005, 09:26 PM
What is the timeline to get Sampson back at RT?

Shag
09-11-2005, 09:27 PM
Now if we could take care of the whole "TE over the middle" problem, we'd be golden.

And the bootleg. We were 0-for-2 defending the bootleg tonight, and both went for long first downs. We need to get that figured out before week 3 - I don't think I could bear a repeat by the bootlegging donx...

Rain Man
09-11-2005, 09:36 PM
One thing to remember about Bober and Black is that they were both playing out of position, and they were playing against Shaun Ellis, generally recognized a top all-around defensive end, and John Abraham, one of the best pass rushers against the league. They didn't necessarily win their battles, but under the circumstances they did better than could be expected.