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Logical
09-11-2005, 09:47 PM
It would be easy to get to enthused from this game, remember we crushed Atlanta last year and we were still a bad team defensively.

We appear to be improved but history with this team tells me not to get overconfident.

2nd our offense only looked good in the first quarter and we looked pretty weak thereafter.

We have to get healthy or we could lose to Oakland next Sunday night.

Brock
09-11-2005, 09:52 PM
Sorry, not even you can throw a wet blanket over this one.

keg in kc
09-11-2005, 09:53 PM
I mentioned this earlier: we started the 2003 season with a 27-14 shellacking of the Chargers at home. Dominated them on both sides of the ball. We all remember how that year ended, and what kind of D we fielded.

I'm making myself keep that in mind....

Sunday will be a test. I want to see the same attitude and intensity. I want to see the same hard hits. I think the Raiders may be a team you can make quit if you get to them early, and Collins is the perfect kind of statuesque, fumble-prone QB to attack with the pressure with which we hit Pennington.

Moss will get his yards. He'll probably score. We can win despite that. And handily.


Worry about it tomorrow, though. Tonight is party time.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-11-2005, 09:54 PM
It would be easy to get to enthused from this game, remember we crushed Atlanta last year and we were still a bad team defensively.

We appear to be improved but history with this team tells me not to get overconfident.

2nd our offense only looked good in the first quarter and we looked pretty weak thereafter.

We have to get healthy or we could lose to Oakland next Sunday night.

TJ is that you? :p

chief52
09-11-2005, 09:54 PM
It would be easy to get to enthused from this game, remember we crushed Atlanta last year and we were still a bad team defensively.

We appear to be improved but history with this team tells me not to get overconfident.

2nd our offense only looked good in the first quarter and we looked pretty weak thereafter.

We have to get healthy or we could lose to Oakland next Sunday night.

That is true. You can not get too high over one win or too low over a loss. But it was a beautiful way to start!

RedDread
09-11-2005, 09:55 PM
If we could pull out 1 win in the next 3 weeks we're in good shape. If we get 2 I'd be exstatic.

Logical
09-11-2005, 09:57 PM
That is true. You can not get too high over one win or too low over a loss. But it was a beautiful way to start!Absolutely :clap:

KILLER_CLOWN
09-11-2005, 09:59 PM
That is true. You can not get too high over one win or too low over a loss. But it was a beautiful way to start!

BS...The planet is all about implosions and explosions of emotion. :drool:

ChiTown
09-11-2005, 10:01 PM
Very true, Vlad. As a matter of fact, just to keep my enthuisiasm in check, I plan to write this first game down as a loss. I know our defense will eventually **** up. I mean, what we saw today couldn't possibly be seen as improvement. It's just a mere mirage.

WE'RE 0-1 & DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAMNIT, CARL! :cuss:

leviw
09-11-2005, 10:02 PM
I mentioned this earlier: we started the 2003 season with a 27-14 shellacking of the Chargers at home. Dominated them on both sides of the ball. We all remember how that year ended, and what kind of D we fielded.


I agree, but we also finished 13-3 in 2003. I'd take 12-4 or 14-2 (for the sake of jinxes, not 13-3) into a home game at Arrowhead against Indianapolis, or anybody for that matter, with this defense. SD was 4-12 in '03, and I'm willing to put money that NYJ won't be a 4-12 team at the end of this season. Yes, we dominated the season opener in '03, but I don't see the two games as comparable.

Logical
09-11-2005, 10:06 PM
Very true, Vlad. As a matter of fact, just to keep my enthuisiasm in check, I plan to write this first game down as a loss. I know our defense will eventually **** up. I mean, what we saw today couldn't possibly be seen as improvement. It's just a mere mirage.

WE'RE 0-1 & DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAMNIT, CARL! :cuss:That is not what I mean at all, today's game was wonderful, but so was the Atlanta game. In fact I don't think other than the Super Bowl win I have ever experiened a better win than last year's Atlanta game. Pure joy for 4 quarters. Just want people to realize that it could all go poof if we don't get healthy and admit I am still worried about this offense as it only looked good for one quarter. Actually at least the D looked good until we lost Surtain then we looked lucky as hell.

the Talking Can
09-11-2005, 10:10 PM
I don't see anyone saying we're the Steel Curtain defense..we're just exicted over an asskicking win

beavis
09-11-2005, 10:13 PM
A lot of reasons to be concerned about the D. I think the near shutout was as much a product of the Jets sucking ass as us being better. They dropped a ton of passes, not to mention being unable to snap the ball. That being said, the run D looked greatly improved. I'm not doing cartwheels yet, but they did look a lot better.

Otter
09-11-2005, 10:16 PM
I'm as jaded as anyone when it comes to the Chiefs but I'll bet my house that we're right in the middle of the NFL bell curve, if not better, on defense.

Sammy Knight (props to hits on calling this one) looks like a field general out there and that is EXACTLY what this team needed. Anyone who has ever had to supervise should know that attitude runs downhill.

Derrick Johnson and Bell are only going to get better baring injury and Warfield comes back in 3 games.

No Super Bowl prediction by any means but it is nice to see some D on the field again.

Boyceofsummer
09-11-2005, 10:16 PM
That is not what I mean at all, today's game was wonderful, but so was the Atlanta game. In fact I don't think other than the Super Bowl win I have ever experiened a better win than last year's Atlanta game. Pure joy for 4 quarters. Just want people to realize that it could all go poof if we don't get healthy and admit I am still worried about this offense as it only looked good for one quarter. Actually at least the D looked good until we lost Surtain then we looked lucky as hell.

, you know, the one that the Chiefs rode the back of LJ? Damn impressive! LJ shoved that TD up the Jets ass!

Mojo Rising
09-11-2005, 10:19 PM
It would be easy to get to enthused from this game, remember we crushed Atlanta last year and we were still a bad team defensively.

We appear to be improved but history with this team tells me not to get overconfident.

2nd our offense only looked good in the first quarter and we looked pretty weak thereafter.

We have to get healthy or we could lose to Oakland next Sunday night.

We were very lucky that the Jets imploded. Dropped passes, snaps, penalties etc.

There are some very big reasons to be concerned and excited.

Concern: Pass D - Other than Surtain our CB's are week.
Happy: With 2 back-up Tackles LJ ran the ball down the Jets throat (I forgot what their rank was but there were some Jets fans last week that tstated they were top 5 or 10.)

The D was much improved. There is talent there unlike 2 years ago when our D had all of the TO's (1st 1/2 of the year) and we knew we would crumble like we ended up doing vs. Indy. This D is much better.

ROYC75
09-11-2005, 10:20 PM
If Roaf is out, at least we get Sampson back at RT and move Black to LT.

About the D and the team, happy, but caustiously optimistic.

alanm
09-11-2005, 10:20 PM
It would be easy to get to enthused from this game, remember we crushed Atlanta last year and we were still a bad team defensively.

We appear to be improved but history with this team tells me not to get overconfident.

2nd our offense only looked good in the first quarter and we looked pretty weak thereafter.

We have to get healthy or we could lose to Oakland next Sunday night.
Jim, Much like the Chiefs and Vermeil himself would say. "Don't piss on my Cheerios tonight" Let's enjoy what's left of Sunday and "Victory Monday". Then we can start wringing our hands Tuesday. :)

SNR
09-11-2005, 10:21 PM
Think of it this way. Apparently everyone says we need to go at least 2-2 these first four games to have playoff hopes. Well, that's one in the bag, and a handy one that was.

1-2 is all we need. We can beat Chokeland next week and we will. After that any more wins before the bye will only prove moreso that this team is ready for big things

leviw
09-11-2005, 10:24 PM
Think of it this way. Apparently everyone says we need to go at least 2-2 these first four games to have playoff hopes. Well, that's one in the bag, and a handy one that was.

1-2 is all we need. We can beat Chokeland next week and we will. After that any more wins before the bye will only prove moreso that this team is ready for big things

I think these next three will be a challenge, but judging by Week 1, I like our chances at Denver on Mon. Night more than at Oakland.

Logical
09-11-2005, 10:26 PM
I'm as jaded as anyone when it comes to the Chiefs but I'll bet my house that we're right in the middle of the NFL bell curve, if not better, on defense.

Sammy Knight (props to hits on calling this one) looks like a field general out there and that is EXACTLY what this team needed. Anyone who has ever had to supervise should know that attitude runs downhill.

Derrick Johnson and Bell are only going to get better baring injury and Warfield comes back in 3 games.

No Super Bowl prediction by any means but it is nice to see some D on the field again.

Just curious am I the only one who was not the least bit impressed with Bell. Did not wrap up, always seemed to be out of position, and was terrible in coverage. Yes he is fast but that is the only positive thing I saw regarding him.

alanm
09-11-2005, 10:26 PM
I'm as jaded as anyone when it comes to the Chiefs but I'll bet my house that we're right in the middle of the NFL bell curve, if not better, on defense.

Sammy Knight (props to hits on calling this one) looks like a field general out there and that is EXACTLY what this team needed. Anyone who has ever had to supervise should know that attitude runs downhill.

Derrick Johnson and Bell are only going to get better baring injury and Warfield comes back in 3 games.

No Super Bowl prediction by any means but it is nice to see some D on the field again.
I was screaming my lungs out with the defense today. My neighbor had a little portable on his porch watching the Donks and I'd look over at him from time to time to ask how "His game" was going. He kept flipping me off. ROFL ROFL ROFL

Logical
09-11-2005, 10:28 PM
, you know, the one that the Chiefs rode the back of LJ? Damn impressive! LJ shoved that TD up the Jets ass!Actually Priest broke the game open with the first 4 TDs in the Atlanta game, and Blaylock had the last 4 touchdowns.

Rudy lost the toss
09-11-2005, 10:29 PM
I really think Green could have had a better game with Boe in there instead of Horn. I think Boe would have helped the STs too

alanm
09-11-2005, 10:31 PM
Think of it this way. Apparently everyone says we need to go at least 2-2 these first four games to have playoff hopes. Well, that's one in the bag, and a handy one that was.

1-2 is all we need. We can beat Chokeland next week and we will. After that any more wins before the bye will only prove moreso that this team is ready for big things
We just can't take a lot of nagging injuries each week. I kinda think it has a little to do with the lack of PT in preseason for some of these guys that got hurt today. A guy like Roaf should never pull a hammy. :shake:

Otter
09-11-2005, 10:34 PM
Just curious am I the only one who was not the least bit impressed with Bell. Did not wrap up, always seemed to be out of position, and was terrible in coverage. Yes he is fast but that is the only positive thing I saw regarding him.

Missed most of the game with the exception of the final quarter. You are correct, I didn't see much from Bell in that time either but he's got mojo.

Not much to back that up besides what I saw in Pittsburg unfortunatly but he'll get his ass in gear. Give him a week or two, he hasn't been on the field for almost two years.

Yes, I see the irony in that but I love that guy. NTTIAWWT

alanm
09-11-2005, 10:34 PM
Just curious am I the only one who was not the least bit impressed with Bell. Did not wrap up, always seemed to be out of position, and was terrible in coverage. Yes he is fast but that is the only positive thing I saw regarding him.
Did he have the games of Mitchell or Johnson, No. But he didn't need too because they were running plays away from him. They were testing DJ and Mitchell. I saw Bell making and disrupting a lot of plays.

leviw
09-11-2005, 10:37 PM
Did he have the games of Mitchell or Johnson, No. But he didn't need too because they were running plays away from him. They were testing DJ and Mitchell. I saw Bell making and disrupting a lot of plays.

He made an outstanding play, busting up a screen pass that was nulified due to a Jets holding penalty. He dove over a lineman at the legs of Martin and stuffed him for no gain/short loss.

whoman69
09-11-2005, 11:10 PM
If the Raiders can't show any better than they did against the Pats, we should have no trouble. Granted, their D is better than our, but I give our offense a big edge over the Pats.

Wallcrawler
09-11-2005, 11:16 PM
I dont know how you can compare this game to the atlanta game last year at all.

Atlanta is a one dimensional team. Vick is a running QB by nature and not that great at passing the ball. Stop the run, Vick has a hard time winning the game as a pure passer.

The Jets are a football team that have given the Chiefs a hard time in years past. Rushing champion Curtis Martin has NEVER been held in check this well. You can say whatever you like about the bad snaps and dropped passes, but the Chiefs have never handled Curtis Martin in the manner in which they handled him today. 20 carries, 57 yards. Didnt see that one coming.


The ragging on the secondary is funny, because you people know that area of the team still is not at full strength. Mcleon and Washington are not starting caliber corners, so yeah, some burns are to be expected. Come on. It isnt as if this is a permanent thing with the secondary here. The Chiefs have to make do with this secondary through September. Surtain will be back next week, and we have 3 more games until Warfield gets back, and then I see the secondary improving drasticly. Mcleon will move back inside where he belongs, along with Benny Sapp.


Right now the main concern on defense I would have is the injury to Ryan Sims, and would think that depending on the results of his MRI, the Chiefs should be looking at signing some help at the DT position.

For some reason, I dont exactly feel comfortable with Junior Siavii or Khari Long taking the place of Sims.

Nzoner
09-11-2005, 11:31 PM
Think of it this way. Apparently everyone says we need to go at least 2-2 these first four games to have playoff hopes. Well, that's one in the bag, and a handy one that was.

1-2 is all we need. We can beat Chokeland next week and we will. After that any more wins before the bye will only prove moreso that this team is ready for big things

These next two weeks could play out very nicely,with the Bolts playing the Donks next week someone is going to be 0-2,couple that with a Chiefs win putting the Raiders at 0-2 and week 3 with the Raiders at Philly and Chiefs at Donks is going to be make things very interesting early on.

whoman69
09-12-2005, 12:08 AM
Those Raiders that all the national media has jumped on for improving their team so much is going to be in a big hole. Improve the offense all you want by bringing in a receiver the quarterback can't hit and a backup running back that can't get holes. Give them a pass for a miserable defense that lost talent while passing over KC which moved to improve its defense and has a proven offense.

Der Flöprer
09-12-2005, 12:37 AM
We were very lucky that the Jets imploded. Dropped passes, snaps, penalties etc.

There are some very big reasons to be concerned and excited.

Concern: Pass D - Other than Surtain our CB's are week.
Happy: With 2 back-up Tackles LJ ran the ball down the Jets throat (I forgot what their rank was but there were some Jets fans last week that tstated they were top 5 or 10.)

The D was much improved. There is talent there unlike 2 years ago when our D had all of the TO's (1st 1/2 of the year) and we knew we would crumble like we ended up doing vs. Indy. This D is much better.


Then beat Indy handily (in my estimation) the next year. If our offense can produce the way it has for the last 3 years, and our defense stays healthy and plays with the same intensity with which they did today. Who is going to beat us? If we're healthy I think we win our first 4 and the celebration begins! I'm sold on what I saw to start todays game. If I'm being a homer, then being a homer feels pretty damn good. :)

BigMeatballDave
09-12-2005, 01:24 AM
Just curious am I the only one who was not the least bit impressed with Bell. Did not wrap up, always seemed to be out of position, and was terrible in coverage. Yes he is fast but that is the only positive thing I saw regarding him.That would probably be a product of no playing time in the preseason. Wait until this unit gels...
:drool:

Gravedigger
09-12-2005, 02:14 AM
I understand your message of not to get a big head but last year against the falcons we didnt have these playmakers trust me our D isnt 20+ this season.

Skip Towne
09-12-2005, 06:32 AM
Note to Jim: "enthused" is not a word.

Gaz
09-12-2005, 06:44 AM
Please stick your “word of caution” where the sun don’t shine.

Thank you very much.

xoxo~
Gaz
Easily enthused by a great game.

Baby Lee
09-12-2005, 07:01 AM
It would be easy to get to enthused from this game, remember we crushed Atlanta last year and we were still a bad team defensively.

We appear to be improved but history with this team tells me not to get overconfident.

2nd our offense only looked good in the first quarter and we looked pretty weak thereafter.

We have to get healthy or we could lose to Oakland next Sunday night.
http://www.azcentral.com/ent/pop/pics/0302downer-autosized141.jpg
Not only that, but I hear feline cancer is on the rise, too.

Whaahhhtt Whhhhaaaaa!!!!!!

Logical
09-12-2005, 07:09 AM
Note to Jim: "enthused" is not a word.


Actually it is

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Pronunciation: in-'thüz, en-, also -'thyüz
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): en·thused; en·thus·ing

KCTitus
09-12-2005, 07:38 AM
it's like clockwork...

Dartgod
09-12-2005, 07:45 AM
Please stick your “word of caution” where the sun don’t shine.

Thank you very much.

xoxo~
Gaz
Easily enthused by a great game.
Gaz. Ever the gentleman... :D

Gaz
09-12-2005, 07:47 AM
Gaz. Ever the gentleman... :D

It is all about the manners...

xoxo~
Gaz
As civilized as necessary.

Inspector
09-12-2005, 08:12 AM
I am forcing myself to be cautious..as soon as I can cease this giddiness.

And my face is beginning to hurt! Damn smile won't go away.

the Talking Can
09-12-2005, 08:15 AM
Wednesday is for seriousness!!!!

Thursday is for LIARSVILLE!!!11!!

Monday is for laughing at Vilma getting punched in the mouth by T-Rich, and then punched in the mouth again by his own nosetackle!!1

Area 51
09-12-2005, 08:17 AM
Yup, we won the first game but it proves that our team really sucks.

What is this crap?

The Jets didn't play well, but the Chiefs did take advantage of the situation whenever possible.

The offense needs some fine tuning, but the defense is measurably better than they were last year.

If you want to give up on the Chiefs, by all means do so.


A movie line seems to be called for here. From the Outlaw Josie Wales:

"Don't piss down my neck and tell me it's raining!!"

oldandslow
09-12-2005, 08:24 AM
Right now the main concern on defense I would have is the injury to Ryan Sims, and would think that depending on the results of his MRI, the Chiefs should be looking at signing some help at the DT position.

For some reason, I dont exactly feel comfortable with Junior Siavii or Khari Long taking the place of Sims.

3-4. Takes care of a multitude of problems if Sims is really hurt. IMO, Siavii will soon be playing alongside Eddie Freeman. Browning et al are enough if we don't have to play four down lineman all the time.

Rausch
09-12-2005, 08:28 AM
3-4. Takes care of a multitude of problems if Sims is really hurt. IMO, Siavii will soon be playing alongside Eddie Freeman. Browning et al are enough if we don't have to play four down lineman all the time.

As long as Surtain returns quickly we've got a top 10 defense.

Without him we're back to averaging 300 yards a game in the air...

Chiefnj
09-12-2005, 08:29 AM
As long as Surtain returns quickly we've got a top 10 defense.

Without him we're back to averaging 300 yards a game in the air...

Unless you play a team that doesn't attack the replacement corner deep and still insists on using the shotgun even though the center and QB are clearly on different pages.

MOhillbilly
09-12-2005, 08:37 AM
2nd our offense only looked good in the first quarter and we looked pretty weak thereafter.

.

nothing new.
KC, when ahead in the first half always goes conservative in the 2nd.

Chiefnj
09-12-2005, 08:41 AM
The Chiefs played 20 minutes of excellent football and 40 minutes of fair football against a team that played 60 minutes of horrible ball.

Gaz
09-12-2005, 08:48 AM
Curtis Martin was not stuffed time and again by the Chiefs D. No, he just needed a nap and the line of scrimmage looked like a very comfy spot.

Chad Pennington was not rattled by the hits he took and the red uniforms in his face. He just had Crisco hands.

Thank you, Jets, for playing so badly that our Defense did not even need to take the field. We fans appreciate it.

Heaven forfend we give the Chiefs ANY credit for the Jet’s miserable Offense.

That would just be wrong.

xoxo~
Gaz
Needs to send a “Thank You” fruit basket to the Jets office.

Bootlegged
09-12-2005, 08:51 AM
This post is very Taco Johnish. Someone needs to focus more on real life and less on the PC.

stevieray
09-12-2005, 08:51 AM
Curtis Martin was not stuffed time and again by the Chiefs D. No, he just needed a nap and the line of scrimmage looked like a very comfy spot.

Chad Pennington was not rattled by the hits he took and the red uniforms in his face. He just had Crisco hands.

Thank you, Jets, for playing so badly that our Defense did not even need to take the field. We fans appreciate it.

Heaven forfend we give the Chiefs ANY credit for the Jet’s miserable Offense.

That would just be wrong.

xoxo~
Gaz
Needs to send a “Thank You” fruit basket to the Jets office.


when other teams screw up, we're lucky. but when we screw up, we suck..

funny how that works.

WilliamTheIrish
09-12-2005, 08:54 AM
Sunday is a day to praise the squad for their accomplishment.

Monday is afterglow, where you revel in the win.

I'll worry about the team starting tomorrow.

Really. I will. Promise. :)

Gaz
09-12-2005, 08:59 AM
The good news is that the Chiefs will not go 16-0 [cue the sound of champagne corks popping in Miami]. We will lose a game and then the “Chiefs were just lucky that the Jets stunk” crowd can strut and say “I told you so.”

xoxo~
Gaz
Knows that even mangy cur dogs have their day.

SCTrojan
09-12-2005, 08:59 AM
We've all learned throughout the years that Chiefs' successes early don't necessarily translate to success late. Especially when it comes to the defense in the last three years.

The most encouraging sign was the number of players making big plays on defense. If that keeps up, I think we'll be all right.

dirk digler
09-12-2005, 09:05 AM
when other teams screw up, we're lucky. but when we screw up, we suck..

funny how that works.

Exactly.

Chiefnj
09-12-2005, 09:06 AM
What's wrong with acknowledging that the Jets played poorly, executed poorly and had a bad game plan?

MOhillbilly
09-12-2005, 09:08 AM
when other teams screw up, we're lucky. but when we screw up, we suck..

funny how that works.

Cheese will do for brains when you are lucky.

Logical
09-12-2005, 04:14 PM
....

xoxo~
Gaz
Needs to send a “Thank You” fruit basket to the Jets office.
ROFL I said none of that, I know people are reading things into my thread post when Gaz over-reacts

Logical
09-12-2005, 04:17 PM
We've all learned throughout the years that Chiefs' successes early don't necessarily translate to success late. Especially when it comes to the defense in the last three years.

The most encouraging sign was the number of players making big plays on defense. If that keeps up, I think we'll be all right. I 100% agree with the point and content of this post.

htismaqe
09-12-2005, 04:23 PM
People just aren't ready to break it down yet.

I posted my post-game thoughts and got a pretty similar response...

Roy posted that the defense sucks, so he got something MUCH worse than this. :D

Calcountry
09-12-2005, 04:41 PM
A lot of reasons to be concerned about the D. I think the near shutout was as much a product of the Jets sucking ass as us being better. They dropped a ton of passes, not to mention being unable to snap the ball. That being said, the run D looked greatly improved. I'm not doing cartwheels yet, but they did look a lot better.The most glaring example of improvement was the tackling. The Jets did not break many tackles. The team pursuit to the ball was improved as well.

Good things happen when you work hard and play better fundamentals. Look for the holdovers from last year to step up their games as well.

The Chiefs D this year have an attitude. I think they are tired of being teh suck. I am Surtain, that Gunther is.

Tuckdaddy
09-12-2005, 05:56 PM
If we could pull out 1 win in the next 3 weeks we're in good shape. If we get 2 I'd be exstatic.

I totally agree. If we can go 2-2 in these first four then we are in good shape. 3-1 would be great shape.

Logical
09-18-2005, 01:29 AM
Well the good news is Surtain and TRich should play. Sucks that Roaf is not supposed to play.

I still have hopes that we will win though and in fact now feel we have an 80 percent chance given Surtain does play.