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Wallcrawler
09-12-2005, 04:06 PM
Well, whats the general opinion of Ty Law now that we have seen him in action?

I wasnt really impressed, he did have the one pick in the endzone, but overall Law had very little impact on the game.

I dont know if it was Law not being 100% yet, or Trent Green's evisceration of David Barrett all day long that just didnt give Law too many chances at making any plays. Either way, I didnt see too many instances where #24 was in on a play.


In the Quarter that I saw of Surtain, and of Law, who played the whole game...

Surtain > Law

Carl dropped the big money on the right guy.

Phobia
09-12-2005, 04:08 PM
That pick in the endzone is on Green's shoulders. Bartee would have intercepted that one, too.

I don't know how much we really challenged Law. I saw him fall down on one out route. That is all I can remember off the top of my head.

elvomito
09-12-2005, 04:10 PM
he had a pass intereference penalty on the play he fell down.

jspchief
09-12-2005, 04:10 PM
Law got called fot pass interference after he tackled Kennison to keep from getting beat.

Besides that and the INT (that was as much Green's f*ck up, as Law's skill), law was pretty invisible.

Bowser
09-12-2005, 04:11 PM
While I agree with you that Surtain is the better player at this stage in their respective careers, I also believe Law can still play. He can be a good #2, or great nickle for a team.

It would have been great for him to be here. Surtain, Law, Warfield, and McCleon would make a hell of a cornerback group. I think he was drawn to New York for the opportunity to play the Patriots twice a year, as much as it was for money or an opportunity to win.

beer bacon
09-12-2005, 04:12 PM
Law got called fot pass interference after he tackled Kennison to keep from getting beat.

Besides that and the INT (that was as much Green's f*ck up, as Law's skill), law was pretty invisible.

Which means it was a good game for Law. Getting an INT in the endzone vastly outweighs a 20 yard yard PI. We respected him enough, or disrespected Barret enough you could say, that we stayed away from Law most of the game.

Calcountry
09-12-2005, 04:17 PM
While I agree with you that Surtain is the better player at this stage in their respective careers, I also believe Law can still play. He can be a good #2, or great nickle for a team.

It would have been great for him to be here. Surtain, Law, Warfield, and McCleon would make a hell of a cornerback group. I think he was drawn to New York for the opportunity to play the Patriots twice a year, as much as it was for money or an opportunity to win.Not for the money he was asking.

:shake:

4th and Long
09-12-2005, 04:20 PM
That pick in the endzone is on Green's shoulders. Bartee would have intercepted that one, too.

I don't know how much we really challenged Law. I saw him fall down on one out route. That is all I can remember off the top of my head.
Local sports talk radio said when they asked Green about that play he said he was baited into throwing that pass by Law. Said Law played off the receiver and Green thought he was open. As soon as the ball left his hand Law was all over the receiver.

Bowser
09-12-2005, 04:33 PM
Not for the money he was asking.

:shake:
IIRC, we were offering more money than what he got from the Jets. And our offer wouldn't have been a cap buster, either.

Calcountry
09-12-2005, 04:39 PM
IIRC, we were offering more money than what he got from the Jets. And our offer wouldn't have been a cap buster, either.Then Law's attitude was too expensive for us. There isn't enough high quality hookers and prime time media in the Midwest for his tastes I guess.

Herzig
09-12-2005, 04:41 PM
Well, whats the general opinion of Ty Law now that we have seen him in action?

I wasnt really impressed, he did have the one pick in the endzone, but overall Law had very little impact on the game.

I dont know if it was Law not being 100% yet, or Trent Green's evisceration of David Barrett all day long that just didnt give Law too many chances at making any plays. Either way, I didnt see too many instances where #24 was in on a play.



In the Quarter that I saw of Surtain, and of Law, who played the whole game...

Surtain > Law

Carl dropped the big money on the right guy.


Agreed. You have to give Carl props this offseason. Surtain is better of the two, plus, he's younger and has more years left in him. Hopefullly, he'll play against oakland.

Wile_E_Coyote
09-12-2005, 04:45 PM
Law's the big dog in NY, he would second fiddle in KC

redhed
09-12-2005, 04:46 PM
Parker didn't do a very good job of playing "defender" on that pick.

Deberg_1990
09-12-2005, 04:49 PM
You guys are crazy if you think Ty Law would not be a HUGE asset to have on this team come January when we might have to face Brady/Manning/Roethlisberger

Wallcrawler
09-12-2005, 04:50 PM
It will bite if Surtain cant go this week, but its a lot better to just lose him for a game and a half, rather than what was going through my mind when he was initially hurt.

When I saw the team doctors slowly rolling him over onto his back, I wanted to freakin throw up.

In that quarter or so that he played, he was awesome. Its good to know that he wont miss a whole lot of time due to that injury. When I heard "concussion", just hearing them even discussing the possibility of him playing this week was good news.


As for Law, I think he will get better as the season moves along. Around mid-season, we could be glad that we got this game out of the way early.

carlos3652
09-12-2005, 04:55 PM
Surtain in 1 1/2 quarters gave me more excitement than Mcleon + Bartee gave me in 16 games last year.

But Surtain 5 min motionless on the field also had me worried more than Mcleon + Bartee had me worried in 2004...

Im glad he is ok... I cant wait until he gives us a full 4 qtrs...

Sure-Oz
09-12-2005, 05:38 PM
did derrick blaylock ever get in

Dick Bull
09-12-2005, 05:40 PM
did derrick blaylock ever get in

At the end when the game was over.

jspchief
09-12-2005, 05:41 PM
Local sports talk radio said when they asked Green about that play he said he was baited into throwing that pass by Law. Said Law played off the receiver and Green thought he was open. As soon as the ball left his hand Law was all over the receiver.Law didn't have to "bait" Green. By sticking to his assignment, he was in position to intercept that pass already.

It was a horrible play design for that spot on the field. We ran two WRs to the same sideline, one at the front of the endzone and the other at the back. Since we were already on the 5, it made it so the DBs only had 15 yards worth of field to cover. By Law sticking with his man on the shorter pattern, he was automatically in position to pick off Green's throw. A lob would have given the deep DB a chance to pick it. I just don't see how that pattern could possibly be effective. Any pro CB on the short route would have had a decent shot at that pass. Dumb.

We should have been running the damn ball anyway.

Cochise
09-12-2005, 05:55 PM
You guys are crazy if you think Ty Law would not be a HUGE asset to have on this team come January when we might have to face Brady/Manning/Roethlisberger

Roethlisberger kind of took care of himself in the playoffs, as far as his opponents were concerned.

Herzig
09-12-2005, 06:00 PM
You guys are crazy if you think Ty Law would not be a HUGE asset to have on this team come January when we might have to face Brady/Manning/Roethlisberger

I'm ready to see Surtain and Warfield + our new defense play together. I think Law and Surtain would have been better, but those two plus Knight should bring a pretty stout, aggressive, defense.

Deberg_1990
09-12-2005, 06:05 PM
I'm ready to see Surtain and Warfield + our new defense play together. I think Law and Surtain would have been better, but those two plus Knight should bring a pretty stout, agressive, defense.

Agreed....i cant wait to see them all at 100%. I wish we had Law, but at this point, its the best we got and that aint bad at all.

CoMoChief
09-12-2005, 06:11 PM
That pick in the endzone is on Green's shoulders. Bartee would have intercepted that one, too.

I don't know how much we really challenged Law. I saw him fall down on one out route. That is all I can remember off the top of my head.



Woah.......Woah........Woah............Woah............Woah............Woah.................Woah.... ........Bartee?!?!? Are you serious? Bartee has yet to recieve his first REAL INT. That's saying alot man.

I dont really know what Trent Green was thinkin on that throw though so I kinda get what you mean, but saying that BARTEE would INT the ball is a bit over the top IMO.

Gaz
09-13-2005, 06:04 AM
The INT belongs equally to Saunders & Green.

Stupid, stupid play call. Reminiscent of the Seattle game. Run the f-bombing ball, Al.

Stupid, stupid throw. Green should know better. That corner was way too crowded and the ball should have gone into the seats.

Credit Law for catching the ball. Coles was not able to do the same.

xoxo~
Gaz
Hoped that Al learned his lesson in Seattle.

cadmonkey
09-13-2005, 06:27 AM
Me and Amnorix were telling you all this all offseason.

Gaz
09-13-2005, 06:29 AM
Move along, folks.

Nothing to see here.

xoxo~
Gaz
Waving the baton in an authoritative manner.

Brock
09-13-2005, 06:34 AM
You guys are crazy if you think Ty Law would not be a HUGE asset to have on this team come January when we might have to face Brady/Manning/Roethlisberger

Then I'm crazy. I'd rather have Surtain.

Gaz
09-13-2005, 06:41 AM
Then I'm crazy. I'd rather have Surtain.

Ditto.

xoxo~
Gaz
Certifiable.

Chiefnj
09-13-2005, 06:44 AM
With Law on the field the Chiefs picked on Barrett. Law didn't give up any passing TD's and got an INT in the endzone.

Seems like a good day for a corner who has been injured for the last year and has only been able to run since August.

Gaz
09-13-2005, 06:51 AM
Law got an INT handed to him [full credit for catching the ball, though] and the Chiefs picked on a rookie [which is the generally-accepted tactic in football].

xoxo~
Gaz
Would not call that a particularly good day.

Chiefnj
09-13-2005, 07:26 AM
Law got an INT handed to him [full credit for catching the ball, though] and the Chiefs picked on a rookie [which is the generally-accepted tactic in football].

xoxo~
Gaz
Would not call that a particularly good day.


Barrett's not a rookie. He was a free agent signing.

StcChief
09-13-2005, 07:29 AM
Green should have thrown it in the endzone crowd.

Sam
09-13-2005, 07:41 AM
That pick in the endzone is on Green's shoulders. Bartee would have intercepted that one, too.

I don't know how much we really challenged Law. I saw him fall down on one out route. That is all I can remember off the top of my head.

Trent threw to the wrong man. Law was so far off his man he was in position for the pick. Trent should have thrown to Law's man at about the 3 on that play.

Lzen
09-13-2005, 08:02 AM
You guys are crazy if you think Ty Law would not be a HUGE asset to have on this team come January when we might have to face Brady/Manning/Roethlisberger

I was with you right up until you said Rothlesberger. ROFL Can you say OVERRATED?

And btw, we could never afford Law. Do you realize that with the deal he got from the Jets, he's scheduled to make $11 mil next season? :eek: I think we'll be alright once Warfield gets back after the bye week.

Lzen
09-13-2005, 08:14 AM
Barrett's not a rookie. He was a free agent signing.

Yep. According to NFL.com, he played his first 4 seasons with the Cardinals before signing with the Jets as a FA in 2004.

Wallcrawler
09-13-2005, 02:03 PM
Yeah, all the jet fans over here prior to the game were touting David Barrett as being able to handle one side of the field, while Law handled the other, due to watching Barrett play for the jets last year, and that the KC offense was going to be rendered ineffective by the Jets defense.

However, those Jets fans failed to realise that they didnt play an offense that was the caliber of KC's offense last year, and for the most part of the season, did not play many great offenses at all during the year.

Barrett was getting torched by Green badly, and even the announcers were making comments about how surprising it was to see Barrett getting picked on and beaten so soundly as many times as he was.

heh.

Nothing like a good reality check.

dtebbe
09-13-2005, 02:24 PM
Woah.......Woah........Woah............Woah............Woah............Woah.................Woah.... ........Bartee?!?!? Are you serious? Bartee has yet to recieve his first REAL INT. That's saying alot man.

I dont really know what Trent Green was thinkin on that throw though so I kinda get what you mean, but saying that BARTEE would INT the ball is a bit over the top IMO.

As bad as Bartee is, I think he could have played better that McCleon did on Sunday. They picked Dexter apart.

At least now that we have decent linebackers the safties are back where they are supposed to be, preventing the deep ball.

DT