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Bob Dole
09-17-2000, 06:14 PM
Bob Dole may be typing something incorrectly, but he's run Elvis' numbers through 2 different calculators, and each one comes up with a QB Rating of 251.04.

Now Bob Dole may be a homer...but that reads to Bob Dole like some good sh!t.

Raiderhader
09-17-2000, 06:20 PM
I would take issue with you Senator, but I don't criticize until the day after the victory. Today I cherish the the win. http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


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Bob Dole
09-17-2000, 06:23 PM
Bob Dole would appreciate someone sober running EG's numbers through a QB Rating calculator...

Gracie Dean
09-17-2000, 06:23 PM
I also think Elvis did great. I am willing to lay down my Elvis sword and admit that I was wrong. Elvis looked great (after the interception) and the match between Grbac and Morris looks very promising.

Raiderhader
09-17-2000, 06:26 PM
Senator I'm not talking about numbers. I am talking about decisions. Actually I thought he looked better last week than he did today. Can you imagine what the game would've been like if they let him open up last week!

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AustinChief
09-17-2000, 06:29 PM
I'm getting a rating of 120.14

...still pretty darn good.

--AustinChief
(waiting for Elvis to level off at about 150)

DaWolf
09-17-2000, 06:30 PM
Had the recievers held on to the ball week one and had the leash been taken off game 2 we would be 3-0 and bowing at Elvis' feet. Alas...

Bob Dole
09-17-2000, 06:35 PM
120 is still good, and Bob Dole is thinking there's a java bug that's generating the 200+ rating.

Elvis rathing would have been 108 (if memory serves) week one if the catchable passes had been hauled in. He again, today, looked off his primary receivers and went through his progession as one would expect. He threw 5 TDs and one INT, and Bob Dole is perfectly conetent, no matter what the QB rating.

Luzap
09-17-2000, 07:34 PM
Elvis is a good QB that has a chance to be more than good.

In case anybody hasn't noticed, he's STILL getting better and better.

He finally has real weapons in Morris, Gonzales, Moreau, and TRich.

I have been talking about his potential and 'defending' him for years.

Luz
i rather enjoyed todays game...

KCJohnny
09-17-2000, 07:58 PM
Don't look now folks, but Elvis is #1 in the AFC in the most important passer stat:
Touchdown passes!
Grbac should be the focus of the offense from here on out....

Clint in Wichita
09-17-2000, 10:05 PM
The maximum possible QB rating is 158.6.

Hopefully Elvis can do what he did today 13 more times.

TheFly
09-17-2000, 10:11 PM
I don't know what happened today, and frankly, I don't care. I'm pleased as punch at today's performance, from what I've been able to read.

I hope Gun has learned something. Don't mess with success Gun!<BR>

DaWolf
09-17-2000, 10:47 PM
Seems like the Grbashers never lose their momentum. The latest outcry (at least that I've read so far) are "that was a fluke game" and "Moon would have done better."

What you gonna do. Like I said, the guy could throw 50 TD's, 1 INT, 5,000 yards, and throw a perfect pass to Derrick Alexander to win the Super Bowl that Alexander drops, and people would still hate Grbac...

htismaqe
09-18-2000, 07:52 AM
Elvis did well today. The playcalling was much better, however. It remains to be seen how he will respond if we go back to the "run & punt" offense.

I've never been a Grbacker or Grbasher, but I do expect some consistency. The first 4 or 5 passes he threw were floaters to the outside. Even before the INT, their corners were breaking on the ball from 10 deep. I saw the INT coming 2 or 3 plays before it happened.

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Luzap
09-18-2000, 08:07 AM
htismaqe,

I don't believe it was the passes themselves that were the problem.

You are correct in saying that the D corners were keying on that pass, and that is why it was terrible playcalling to keep going back to that out pattern.

I had a friend over for the game and I pulled out a laser pointer and played 'Madden with the Tellistrator' for him.

It was obvious from the first time he threw that pass that the D had watched film and was expecting it. I continued to show him how unvaried our passing game was and what few routes we would be restricted to. I also calmly explained that because we have an apparent idiot making play calls, that we would be foolish enough to keep throwing that specific out pattern and that it would be intercepted for 7. That was one play before it actually happened.

Somewhere around the start of the second quarter, the play calling changed (thank goodness). As if somebody flipped a switch, the pass routes changed and our O became effective.

The ONLY explanation I can think of is that we scripted our first 15 plays, and ran them 'no matter what'. JR apparently started calling the game from that point on and (of course) did a better job of it.

Luz
just glad it worked out...

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Oxford
09-18-2000, 08:29 AM
Very simply put, he had time to throw. Part of that is because of great o-line work and o-formations that did not tipoff the play. He had a great game, but under more DL/LB pressure he still has problems getting the ball off quickly. I'm not a basher, just someone who thinks the offense must emphasize his strengths which is throwing on the unobvious downs not not on 3rd/long

47mack
09-18-2000, 08:36 AM
I am starting to wonder if EG ever does anything wrong. Can there be a happy median between the backers and bashers?

I have never been much of a EG fan, but I always agreed that he had the arm. I just question his leadership abilities and decision making.

I have also always stated that I can't wait until the day that EG proves me wrong. I hope that day is coming soon, but I won't be sold on one game.

The team played good as a whole.....that is the key.

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Smltheppl
09-18-2000, 08:40 AM
I thought Elvis looked great yesterday! Well, after the 1st quarter anyways. I hope this gives him the confidence he needs to keep it up for 13 more games. I thought one of the most important things from yesterday was that the coaches didn't give up on Elvis after the interception and panic and decide to just run run run. They had some faith in him and allowed him to continue throwing the ball, and it resulted in 5 touchdown passes. Yay!

(On another note, I wish the coaches WOULD have given up on Larry Parker in the return position. But alas, that's a different topic.)

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58Forever
09-18-2000, 08:42 AM
I hurt my heart when EG threw the INT and the fans started booing...they weren't booing much after that...EG shut them up but I suppose the ardent Grbashers will say it was the "great" catches made by the receivers that made EG look so good...granted a couple of the passes were not exactly perfect, but the TD passes were all on the money...Grbacker unite...rise and stamp out the Grbashers...

Grbashers, start cheering instead of booing...it may grow on you...

More games like that and people might start thinking Grbac is the QBOTF.... http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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"The word "genius" isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
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bkkcoh
09-18-2000, 08:46 AM
Remember, when EG has confidence, he can be pretty good. With a performance like sunday's game, I almost feel sorry for Denver's defense on sunday. http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif I would dare say the Chiefs defense is better than any of the defenses the Broncs have faced.

Looking foreward to a great victory on Sunday.

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47mack
09-18-2000, 08:57 AM
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That is exactly what I am talking about....no happy median. Who was saying that it was great catching and bad throwing? You are just stiring up trouble and putting words in peoples mouthes. The WR gets paid to make the catches, just like the QB gets paid to make the pass. Neither will always be perfect.

EG has had plenty of bad games and plenty of good games. Yesterday was great, but it was one game.

Let him prove himself before we judge.

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KCTitus
09-18-2000, 09:02 AM
47mack: what type of happy medium are you looking for? 'It's only one game' is a little less than in the middle.

Morris' 3TD day was the first for the Chiefs since 1969- read it again 1969.

I cant remember the last time a QB for the Chiefs threw for 5 TD's.

Enjoy the moment, our Offense played well against a good defense. This was more than 'just one game', KC showed an open offense and the ability to throw the ball down the field. We also stopped the dumb penalties.

scooter
09-18-2000, 09:03 AM
You guys are all overlooking one thing.


Cunningham pointed it out last week and you all jeered.

It's...


the beard.

47mack
09-18-2000, 09:05 AM
One game is one game.

I am not saying he/they can't do it again. I am just saying that yesterday was great. Let the team build on that and keep the momentum going forward.

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KCTitus
09-18-2000, 09:08 AM
Ok. So you're unwilling to give EG or the offense any credit for yesterday's game. Not a very happy medium from my perspective. <P>

Smltheppl
09-18-2000, 09:11 AM
Gregg - 1967. Lenny threw for 5 touchdowns way back then. If Grbac could've thrown for one more pass, he would've tied the Chiefs all-time record of 6 touchdown passes from 1964....again by Lenny.

KCTitus
09-18-2000, 09:14 AM
Thanks, but remember, this is just one game http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif<P>

47mack
09-18-2000, 09:17 AM
Show me where I didn't give him credit.
I think they played great yesterday and I hope they keep it up.

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Smltheppl
09-18-2000, 09:17 AM
Ya know, I find it funny that when you LOSE one game (ok, ok, in our instance, 2) everyone is convinced that we'll never win another game, EVER!!!!!

But when you WIN one game, it's a fluke, don't count on it happening again, don't get too excited..blah blah blah

KCTitus
09-18-2000, 09:21 AM
Show me where I didn't give him credit.

Ok.

...I just question his leadership abilities and decision making...I have also always stated that I can't wait until the day that EG proves me wrong. I hope that day is coming soon, but I won't be sold on one game.

I think they played great yesterday and I hope they keep it up.

If you cant say that EG had a good game after throwing 5 TD's there's nothing that he can do to 'convince' you.

Give the guy credit, at one point it looked like he might be out of the game after getting his knee hit. HE played a good game.

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Clint in Wichita
09-18-2000, 09:22 AM
Of COURSE games like yesterday are the exception rather than the norm...I seriously doubt that Grbac is going to throw 40 TDs this season.

IMO the best thing about the game is that maybe, FINALLY, Gunther will see that you can, in fact, use the pass to set up the run.

I want to see some 50 yard jump-balls to Morris!

I'm still worried that Gunther, Grbac and Raye could crawl back into their old shells...we all know how the Chiefs tend to abandon anything that seems to be working!

KCTitus
09-18-2000, 09:24 AM
Clint: I couldnt agree more. I doubt EG will throw for 40 as well, but sure would like to see him try.

I share the same fear. We actually USED Morris like we should and it paid off.

The O-Line shredded that D Line and we passed to set up the run. Seau was quiet all day.<P>

47mack
09-18-2000, 09:37 AM
I think you guys have me confused with someone that is here to start trouble. I think that EG did have a great game yesterday. I am just saying that I hope the momentum goes forward.

I don't think anyone is calling this game a fluke. You just can't base the rest of the season on yesterday. Everone based the season on the first two games, and now look what happened.

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FloridaChief
09-18-2000, 09:53 AM
I think we're all trying to get comfortable with this new creature that showed up yesterday at Arrowhead--A Coaching Staff Who Plays To Their Own Strengths and Exploits the Opposition's Weaknesses.

It's no surprise that, as Chiefs fans, we just aren't used to that particular monster. So you know, you kinda sidle up to it slow and carefully, try not to excite it, don't want it to get spooked and run away before it's time...

Anyway, I'll be looking to see if we game plan intelligently next Sun vs Broncos. Only hope we do NOT go back to the old run-to-set-up-the-pass pounding maulball give-it-to-Cloud-for-a-couple-then-to-T-Rich-for-3-or-4 and-oh,-yeah,-give-Moreau-one-also mentality...that would be a serious setback to the tentative good will I am feeling for our coaching staff.

KCTitus
09-18-2000, 09:56 AM
47: yes, there are people calling this game a 'fluke'. You are not, I can see that.

Other excuses are the Defense didnt gameplan for the Chiefs to throw the ball, the PI penalties gave us two of the 5 passing TD's, and the 'planets were aligned'.--this is not a happy medium either.

EG has continued in his improvement from last year. Should we expect him to throw for 5 or even 6 next week? Of course not, but he did look good and the STYLE of the game that was played was much different than the previous two games. Im mean, it's really hard to throw for any TD's when you only attempt 6 passes in the first half (Titans game).

I think we both agree, this was a good start and KC needs to continue this style of play.

Gaz
09-18-2000, 10:22 AM
FloridaChief-

I like your wild beast analogy. It captures my feelings exactly.

xoxo~
gaz
afraid to trust what he saw.<BR>

htismaqe
09-18-2000, 10:37 AM
This is so much more complicated than some make it sound. Titus, you're right on.

A) Elvis won't do it again, for one of two reasons.
1) The coaches can't call that good of a game plan more than once. Until I see it more than once, I'm not going to say that they can.
2) Now that everyone watching national TV has seen it (including the Broncos) it won't be a surprise anymore. This sets up our run, which sets up our run, which sets up our pass...it goes on forever. THIS IS NOT ONLY PREFERABLE, IT'S THE RECIPE FOR THE PLAYOFFS!

Elvis CAN play like this, and often. The problem is that he doesn't. Elvis does have the ability, I've watched him ever since Michigan, and oh yes, he can.

He needs to eliminate the dumb mistakes and get consistency. Consistency is hard to come by if the game plan isn't consistent, and we can't fault Elvis for that.

It all hinges on our coaches.

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Jimmy Raye for President...anything to get him out of Kansas City
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kcred
09-18-2000, 10:38 AM
All we saw yesterday, was what the majority of this board said after last week. We lost to the Titans because of coaching. I am sure neither GC or JR really gives a damn about our opinion, but reality set in, and for their own preservation, they decided to use the talent to the best of their ability. I am a Grbacker, but even with his performance yesterday, would not even think it will happen week in, and week out. I believe he has the ability to make it happen more often than not, however. Finding Morris, is going to make defenses key more on him than TG, then change if EG goes to TG, more. His job, as I see it, is to mix them up, which I believe he can do. Was this a win over the defending SB Champs, hell no, but a whomping like that against anyone in the NFL, is rare. Sunday, should be interesting.

47mack
09-18-2000, 11:58 AM
ht
excellent post

Titus
Looks like you are starting to understand what I was trying to say. EG has the ability, it is just up to him to show it off. JR is still free to go


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TheFly
09-18-2000, 12:15 PM
Don't assume that the coaches called this game... If Elvis did as many audibles as reported, then it was the players themselves calling their own plays...

Keep the coaches out of the play calling!!!!

Go Chiefs...<BR>