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siberian khatru
09-30-2005, 08:22 AM
In 1990, Warren Moon hung a record 527 yards passing on a good KC defense AT Arrowhead.

Philly is a very pass-oriented offense facing a much weaker Chiefs D this Sunday. What are the odds that they ring up close to 500 yards in the air?

One big thing in our favor is McNabb is really banged up; he struggled with a lot of throws last weekend vs. another bad D, at home. If he can manage only 365 against Oak @ Philly, maybe he can't do much better on the road at noisy Arrowhead.

Still, I think the potential is there. Any thoughts?

(BTW, this isn't about who will win or lose. It's not hand-wringing defeatism. I'm simply looking at statistics. McNabb threw for 365 last week and almost lost, and Manning threw for 472 against us last year and lost. So it's certainly not inconceivable that McNabb could air it out for close to 500 yards and we'd still win.)

Bowser
09-30-2005, 08:24 AM
Did Warren Moon have a hernia and a bruised sternum?

siberian khatru
09-30-2005, 08:25 AM
Did Warren Moon have a hernia and a bruised sternum?

Covered in Paragraph 3.

Brock
09-30-2005, 08:28 AM
I expect McNabb will have a very big game.

Bowser
09-30-2005, 08:29 AM
The bitch of it is that McNabb is AVERAGING 350+ yards/game - with those injuries! Crazy.

I hate playing this soft zone crap, but do we dare blitz him with TO and Westbrook coming out of the backfield?

jspchief
09-30-2005, 08:32 AM
Personally, I think we need to blitz the holy hell out of them. Hit McNabb on every play. Do to him what Denver did to us.

Once his intestines are hanging out the bottom of his jersey, he won't be setting any records against us.

BCD
09-30-2005, 08:34 AM
I expect McNabb will have a very big game.I thought the same about Vick last season...

Simplex3
09-30-2005, 08:36 AM
TO should paste a couple of TDs on us and probably 150+ yards.

The answer from our side is Priest dropping 3 TDs and 150+ on them.

Plus my fantasy team has both of those guys. I'd prefer the defenses just stay home.

siberian khatru
09-30-2005, 08:37 AM
Personally, I think we need to blitz the holy hell out of them. Hit McNabb on every play. Do to him what Denver did to us.

Once his intestines are hanging out the bottom of his jersey, he won't be setting any records against us.


I agree. We play zone, we're gonna give up a ton of yards anyway, and without hitting the QB. If we blitz, we might get a couple of lucky hits in there and knock McNabb out of the game. Which would be bad for my fantasy team, but ... letting him sit back there just won't cut it.

I watched most of that Philly-Oak game last week, though, and I'm encouraged. McNabb didn't play all that great at home against a bad D, and he's not any healthier this week on the road.

I think the bigger key for us winning is making sure our offense clicks.

KingPriest2
09-30-2005, 08:39 AM
stupid thread

Brock
09-30-2005, 08:40 AM
stupid thread

Not exactly.

Extra Point
09-30-2005, 08:41 AM
5-2 with Dalton at the nose, Allen and Hicks at DE opposite their TE and outside tackle, cover 4 man tight, send both inside LB's firing their 1 and 2 hole gaps. Blitz outside with the OLB's, DE's block their man inside and stay at home, and let the the closest OLB late-hit McNabb on their first down of the game, regardless of run or pass. That sets the tone.

We don't need no stinking soft zone!

Simplex3
09-30-2005, 08:43 AM
5-2 with Dalton at the nose, Allen and Hicks at DE opposite their TE and outside tackle, cover 4 man tight, send both inside LB's firing their 1 and 2 hole gaps. Blitz outside with the OLB's, DE's block their man inside and stay at home, and let the the closest OLB late-hit McNabb on their first down of the game, regardless of run or pass. That sets the tone.

We don't need no stinking soft zone!
The 11-man blitz? Brilliant!


:shake:

jspchief
09-30-2005, 08:44 AM
5-2 with Dalton at the nose, Allen and Hicks at DE opposite their TE and outside tackle, cover 4 man tight, send both inside LB's firing their 1 and 2 hole gaps. Blitz outside with the OLB's, DE's block their man inside and stay at home, and let the the closest OLB late-hit McNabb on their first down of the game, regardless of run or pass. That sets the tone.

We don't need no stinking soft zone!Were you at the Kirk Ferentz press conference a few days ago?

Edubs
09-30-2005, 08:50 AM
McNabb will be in the dirt all day..........

htismaqe
09-30-2005, 08:57 AM
Were you at the Kirk Ferentz press conference a few days ago?

ROFL

He's Papa Lutrino!

Extra Point
09-30-2005, 09:02 AM
The 11-man blitz? Brilliant!


:shake:

NO 11-man blitz! What does keep DE's home mean to you? What does man-cover tight mean to you, when the wide-outs are forced out? Regardless of the play, run or pass, we hit McNabb right off the bat!

KingPriest2
09-30-2005, 09:06 AM
Not exactly.


Yeah it is. We are playing at home. We are avg 241 yards a game in pss d

Philly was playing at home against Oakland that is GIVING UP more then 300 yards a game. McNabb passed for 365 yards against them.

To me it is a stupid thread

It is like are the 49ers going to give up 600 yards passing this weekend since they are avg over 369 yards in pass D Geez Their pass D is worse then ours and only allowed 342 yards IN Philly. For the game they gave up 458

Also we just came off a poor game COMING HOMe in a game we could say is a "must win" to a point. I wouldn't really classify that way but you get the point. I don't think the Chiefs are going to lay down again. Usuallu the Chiefs after a poor game on the road coming home do awesome.

Cochise
09-30-2005, 09:14 AM
Not exactly.

Careful now, you're talking to an expert on the subject.

Brock
09-30-2005, 09:14 AM
Yeah it is. We are playing at home. We are avg 241 yards a game in pss d

Philly was playing at home against Oakland that is GIVING UP more then 300 yards a game. McNabb passed for 365 yards against them.

No offense, but the Chiefs are "avg" 255 yards a game in pss d, and are just a few positions ahead of Oakland, i.e. not very good at pss d. I think you may be in for a huge disappointment.

ArrowheadHawk
09-30-2005, 09:15 AM
no

Extra Point
09-30-2005, 09:16 AM
McNabb can't pass the ball if he's on his back. Blitz OLB's few times, and leave the DE's at home. Defense wins games. It's not about stats, it's who keeps the other team from scoring and keeps their offense of the field.

ArrowheadHawk
09-30-2005, 09:17 AM
i just hope we can get pressure on the qb like we did in the first game not like we did in the last two

KingPriest2
09-30-2005, 09:21 AM
No offense, but the Chiefs are "avg" 255 yards a game in pss d, and are just a few positions ahead of Oakland, i.e. not very good at pss d. I think you may be in for a huge disappointment.

The are giving up 241 yards not 255. Yes they are26tha dn Oakland is 31st but we ae giving up nealy 60 yards less then Oakland. To me that is a far better pass D then Oakland and look where he 49ers are They played Philly IN Philly. and not gave up a record Same goes with Oakland.


Minnesota 3 101 33.7 57 56.4 718 239.3 6 5 5 31
Kansas City 3 97 32.3 61 62.9 725 241.7 3 1 6 42
St. Louis 3 99 33.0 66 66.7 728 242.7 4 3 9 52
San Diego 3 102 34.0 65 63.7 763 254.3 5 1 9 63
Cleveland 3 101 33.7 77 76.2 836 278.7 5 4 3 14
New York (N) 3 124 41.3 79 63.7 854 284.7 5 5 7 54
Oakland 3 118 39.3 72 61.0 900 300.0 4 1 2 8
San Francisco 3 133 44.3 91 68.4 1107 369.0 9 3 11 76

jspchief
09-30-2005, 09:21 AM
McNabb can't pass the ball if he's on his back. Blitz OLB's few times, and leave the DE's at home. Defense wins games. It's not about stats, it's who keeps the other team from scoring and keeps their offense of the field.Our DEs are incapable of staying home. They are too stupid. That's why boots and runs busted to the outside kill us so often. It's like our DEs close their eyse and just try and run to where the QB might be.

htismaqe
09-30-2005, 09:22 AM
No offense, but the Chiefs are "avg" 255 yards a game in pss d, and are just a few positions ahead of Oakland, i.e. not very good at pss d. I think you may be in for a huge disappointment.

Sorry, but in this case KingPriest is right.

Our defense is bad. Check.

McNabb is gonna rack up yards. Probably.

The title of this thread is "Will McNabb set the NFL passing record against us?"

The NFL passing record is 554 yards. In one game.

It's a dumb thread.

htismaqe
09-30-2005, 09:23 AM
Our DEs are incapable of staying home. They are too stupid. That's why boots and runs busted to the outside kill us so often. It's like our DEs close their eyse and just try and run to where the QB might be.

Yep. Our DE's have zero discipline. They suck, period.

redhed
09-30-2005, 09:27 AM
Aw crap! I was at that Houston game, and I'll also be at the Philly game.
I beg to differ on that 1990 D being called "good". It certainly wasn't in that game, but it was a somewhat rainy, gloomy day, IIRC, so maybe that played a factor. What a miserable day that was...lordy.
Also, McNabb doesn't have 3 WRs the quality of Haywood Jeffries, Ernest Givins, and Drew Hill. They all caught 70+ that year.

KingPriest2
09-30-2005, 09:27 AM
No offense, but the Chiefs are "avg" 255 yards a game in pss d, and are just a few positions ahead of Oakland, i.e. not very good at pss d. I think you may be in for a huge disappointment.


You were looking at recieving D not Pass D

Indianapolis 3 72 761 253.7 10.6 1 32 10 1
Kansas City 3 61 767 255.7 12.6 3 39 10 1
Dallas 3 59 769 256.3 13.0 7 30 8 3
St. Louis 3 66 780 260.0 11.8 4 34 12 1
San Diego 3 65 826 275.3 12.7 5 43 10 1
Cleveland 3 77 850 283.3 11.0 5 47 11 2
Oakland 3 72 908 302.7 12.6 4 37 11 2
New York (N) 3 79 908 302.7 11.5 5 48 12 0
San Francisco 3 91 1183 394.3 13.0 9 55 17 5



And here KC goes from 26th to 25th and Oakland goes from 31st to 30th.
If you notice the 49ers added 25 yards to the rec D

Philly played both Oakland and SF IN Philly and they are far worse then our Pass D and did not set any records.

We are playing AT HOME coming off a poor game. We usually play great afterwards think about it.

KingPriest2
09-30-2005, 09:37 AM
If you want to be more accurate about the title of the thread it should read

"Will Tom Brady set a NFL record for passing against the Chargers this weekend?

Brady is 316 yards a game and also McNabb is not avg 350 yards a game is really is 321.

Brady is only avg 5 yards less playing AT home against a WORSE pass D in the Chargers. Also they are coming home aftert a 2 game road trip.

So will he?

Rausch
09-30-2005, 09:39 AM
I thought the same about Vick last season...

Two points:

1) Vick is not a good QB.

2) McNabb is...

cookster50
09-30-2005, 09:40 AM
McNabb can't pass for 500+ from the sidelines once he gets too hurt to play.

Rausch
09-30-2005, 09:43 AM
McNabb can't pass for 500+ from the sidelines once he gets too hurt to play.

Yeah, let's all question McNabb's toughness... :rolleyes:

KingPriest2
09-30-2005, 09:47 AM
Who on this list is a threat besides TO and Westbrook?

Receiving Stats
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Terrell Owens 21 335 16.0 68 3
Brian Westbrook 16 235 14.7 62 3
L.J. Smith 17 198 11.6 23 1
Greg Lewis 15 153 10.2 23 1
Reggie Brown 5 50 10.0 27 0
Billy McMullen 1 24 24.0 24 0
Lamar Gordon 4 22 5.5 7 0
Darnerien McCants 1 22 22.0 22 0
Josh Parry 4 21 5.3 9 0
Stephen Spach 2 14 7.0 7 0
Reno Mahe 1 6 6.0 6 0


and this list

Receiving Stats
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Reggie Wayne 77 1210 15.7 71 12
Marvin Harrison 86 1113 12.9 59 15
Brandon Stokley 68 1077 15.8 69 10
Edgerrin James 51 483 9.5 56 0
Dallas Clark 25 423 16.9 80 5
Marcus Pollard 29 309 10.7 31 6
James Mungro 7 36 5.1 16 3
Ben Hartsock 4 33 8.3 17 0
Dominic Rhodes 2 24 12.0 20 0
Brad Pyatt 2 12 6.0 7 0
Aaron Moorehead 1 7 7.0 7 0
Troy Walters 1 5 5.0 5 0


Manning had 4 threats compared to 2 for McNabb?

htismaqe
09-30-2005, 09:52 AM
If you want to be more accurate about the title of the thread it should read

"Will Tom Brady set a NFL record for passing against the Chargers this weekend?

Brady is 316 yards a game and also McNabb is not avg 350 yards a game is really is 321.

Brady is only avg 5 yards less playing AT home against a WORSE pass D in the Chargers. Also they are coming home aftert a 2 game road trip.

So will he?

Of course he won't. He's playing the Chargers, not the Chiefs.

Cochise
09-30-2005, 09:57 AM
You can't take the Raiders game into account if you're talking about McNabb. the Raiders give out penalties like it's Christmas every sunday, they keep drives alive with bonehead plays, they kill their own drives with them. Plus, their secondary is not very good. San Fran is not good either.

They played a good team in Atlanta, and he threw for 257 yards and 1 TD. Not bad but nothing specatcular. He missed a lot of throws and open receivers. His only TD pass came on a dumpoff to Westbrook in the flat. Stat wise and from watching both games, against Atlanta, the only good team they have played, he had about the same game as Green had against the Broncos. And now he's injured.

I'm sure he'll hook up with Owens for big gains and all that, but Owens beating us for a long TD isn't going to win the game. If we can stop Westbrook and double Owens all day to sort-of contain him, we could give ourselves a good shot to win the game.

Could be a low scoring affair most people aren't looking for.

htismaqe
09-30-2005, 09:59 AM
Listen up everybody. There are priorities here and several people seem to be missing it.

Game 1
Jets have 352 yards passing. Result? Chiefs win.

Game 2
Raiders have 263 yards passing. Result? Chiefs win.

Game 3
Broncos have 152 yards passing. Result? Chiefs LOSE? How can that be?

Because the only thing that matters is STOPPING THE RUN.

Jets rushed for 57.
Raiders rushed for 71.
Broncos rushed for TWO HUNDRED TWENTY ONE.

I'm gonna say right now that McNabb won't even come CLOSE to the record. In fact, I don't think he'll even throw for 300.

And we might still lose. We HAVE to stop Westbrook.

SunMo
09-30-2005, 10:00 AM
Who on this list is a threat besides TO and Westbrook?




that's usually enough against most defenses. but if Westbrook and TO are focused upon, LJ Smith can have a good game.


like many people have said, it comes down to putting pressure on McNabb. if the Chiefs can get to McNabb and hit him like the Falcons did, then the Chiefs will be in prime position to stop the Eagles offense. but if the line can pickup the blitzes and McNabb has time to throw, that's gonna be bad for the Chiefs. i don't know enough about the Chiefs' defense to know whether or not they are a good blitzing team, but I do know that the history of the Eagles' offensive line is to pick up their play when they know McNabb can't really run around and needs to be protected well the entire game.

Cochise
09-30-2005, 10:02 AM
...the only thing that matters is STOPPING THE RUN.

I don't think he'll even throw for 300... And we might still lose. We HAVE to stop Westbrook.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

siberian khatru
09-30-2005, 10:14 AM
Because the only thing that matters is STOPPING THE RUN.


In this case, I disagree with you. Philly isn't a running team. They don't use the run to set up the pass. In the last 2 years Westbrook has had one game where he's rushed the ball 20 times. He averages 12-15 rushes per game.

Philly is a pass-first offense. They lead the league in pass attempts. Last year they were 30th in rushing attempts, 9th in pass attempts. They don't have to run the ball to be effective or win. There won't be a lot of rushing attempts to stop.

I fear Westbrook as a receiver out the backfield far more than I do him as a runner (even though he is certainly capable of breaking a long run).

Like I said, that doesn't mean that McNabb throws for 500 and it certainly doesn't mean they win (see Manning and his 472 last year).

Oh, and as far as this being a stupid thread, GFY. :p

NJ Chief Fan
09-30-2005, 10:20 AM
i think we should let the dogs loose...send bell knight dj on blitzs every freaken play of the game and hit the homo even if he released the ball MURDER THAT CLOWN

redhed
09-30-2005, 10:24 AM
the Randy Moss and the Raiders

:D
Or maybe Moss and the Oakland Randys?


***end Threadjack***

Warrior5
09-30-2005, 10:28 AM
We HAVE to stop Westbrook.

The decisive operation! Harumph!

Mr. Krab
09-30-2005, 10:40 AM
Will McNabb set the NFL passing record against us?
No, but i expect him to average about 10 yrds per rush.

Just keep in mind though, we have the bye week after the philly game and should final get healthy(relatively so). All our starters should be back except Ryan sims after the bye.


:clap:

htismaqe
09-30-2005, 11:12 AM
In this case, I disagree with you. Philly isn't a running team. They don't use the run to set up the pass. In the last 2 years Westbrook has had one game where he's rushed the ball 20 times. He averages 12-15 rushes per game.

Philly is a pass-first offense. They lead the league in pass attempts. Last year they were 30th in rushing attempts, 9th in pass attempts. They don't have to run the ball to be effective or win. There won't be a lot of rushing attempts to stop.

I fear Westbrook as a receiver out the backfield far more than I do him as a runner (even though he is certainly capable of breaking a long run).

Like I said, that doesn't mean that McNabb throws for 500 and it certainly doesn't mean they win (see Manning and his 472 last year).

Oh, and as far as this being a stupid thread, GFY. :p

Screen/shovel/lateral pass to Westbrook = run

siberian khatru
09-30-2005, 11:46 AM
Screen/shovel/lateral pass to Westbrook = run

If you meant Westbrook is the key, then I pretty much agree. :thumb:

Just that, like I said, him taking a handoff and running forward doesn't worry me that much because they simply don't run that play much. But Westbrook taking a dump-off, or running down a seam, that scares me.

htismaqe
09-30-2005, 12:04 PM
If you meant Westbrook is the key, then I pretty much agree. :thumb:

Just that, like I said, him taking a handoff and running forward doesn't worry me that much because they simply don't run that play much. But Westbrook taking a dump-off, or running down a seam, that scares me.

In typical WCO offense form, they use the short pass identical to the way most teams use the run. The thing is, most of those passes also produce yardage similar to runs.

That's why I'm suggesting the McNabb could throw the ball 40 times and not get 300 yards, let alone break the record.

The key is to stop their RB. The fact they pass to him doesn't change anything.

:thumb:

Cochise
09-30-2005, 12:14 PM
Westbrook gets a lot of touches in a lot of ways. Sort of like a scaled down Priest. Hopefully they make him the top priority. Hell, just put half the D on him and the other half on Owens...

Simplex3
09-30-2005, 12:17 PM
Who on this list is a threat besides TO and Westbrook?
Who needs to be? You can't double team both of them. Hell, even if you do double TO he's going to get 80+ yards.

Extra Point
09-30-2005, 02:11 PM
If everybody hits each other in the jaws and draws blood today in practice, we'll be allright. We need to plant McNabb on his back the first play, legally or otherwise. Personal fouls cost 15 yards--at that to a 3 yd run up the middle, and we're still on our side of the field. First impressions count.

Add in the crowd, and add some more QB pain during and just after pass attempts, we should be in good shape. Just don't want to rely on our secondary, but for easy picks and gang tackles.

If the DE's haven't learned to stay home, they better find new teams.

Whatever happened to the NT position? Have you noticed that since that position has been basically eliminated, we have been rushed to death? I would be happy if Lionel Dalton would line up and crack block just to plug a couple holes in the middle!

htismaqe
09-30-2005, 02:18 PM
If everybody hits each other in the jaws and draws blood today in practice, we'll be allright. We need to plant McNabb on his back the first play, legally or otherwise. Personal fouls cost 15 yards--at that to a 3 yd run up the middle, and we're still on our side of the field. First impressions count.

Add in the crowd, and add some more QB pain during and just after pass attempts, we should be in good shape. Just don't want to rely on our secondary, but for easy picks and gang tackles.

If the DE's haven't learned to stay home, they better find new teams.

Whatever happened to the NT position? Have you noticed that since that position has been basically eliminated, we have been rushed to death? I would be happy if Lionel Dalton would line up and crack block just to plug a couple holes in the middle!

Lionel Dalton better learn to take out offensive linemen instead of his own teammates...

Extra Point
09-30-2005, 02:23 PM
Maybe Lionel Dalton and Brian Waters ought to flip sides of the ball....

tk13
09-30-2005, 02:45 PM
Screen/shovel/lateral pass to Westbrook = run
If we play soft zone like the last two games, Westbrook will be open underneath all game, he'll have all the yards Lamont Jordan shoulda had and more. Of course, I think Gunther is gonna be prepared for that. At least I hope he is....

siberian khatru
10-02-2005, 03:31 PM
Don't think it's gonna happen. :D

Deberg_1990
10-02-2005, 03:48 PM
If we play soft zone like the last two games, Westbrook will be open underneath all game, he'll have all the yards Lamont Jordan shoulda had and more. Of course, I think Gunther is gonna be prepared for that. At least I hope he is....

The reason we play so much zone is because we have ZERO pass rush. Oh how I long for the days of DT and Neil Smith.

Brock
10-02-2005, 06:26 PM
Wow, good thing STOPPING THE RUN is the important thing.